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Spectropop - Digest Number 1600



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There are 23 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Ronnie Dove / Diamond masters
           From: Austin Roberts 
      2. Re: Crow / Amaret
           From: Austin Roberts 
      3. Re: The Magic Lanterns
           From: Scott Swanson 
      4. Nervous Norvus!
           From: ModGirl 
      5. Re: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas?? / Associated Studios
           From: Ian Slater 
      6. Re: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas??
           From: Austin Roberts 
      7. Re: The Magic Lanterns / Magic Lantern
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
      8. Re: French Ye-Ye
           From: Dave Heasman 
      9. Re: Beach Music
           From: Rat Pfink 
     10. Re: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern
           From: Andy 
     11. Re: The Candymen
           From: Michael 
     12. Re: Diamond masters
           From: Tom 
     13. Re: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern
           From: Rat Pfink 
     14. Re: French Ye-Ye
           From: Norm D. 
     15. thanks to all
           From: Mac Joseph 
     16. Checkmates CD release
           From: David Bell 
     17. Brian Wilson on Larry King
           From: Jens Koch 
     18. Re: The Candymen
           From: superoldies 
     19. Re: Larry Bright
           From: Country Paul 
     20. Re: ain't it cool
           From: Karen Andrew 
     21. Re: Ronnie Dove
           From: Tom Stereoldies 
     22. Re: Crow
           From: James  Holvay 
     23. Beach Boys music heads to Broadway
           From: Karen Andrew 


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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:22:13 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove / Diamond masters Dear Tom and Joe, Though I had a song cut with Ronnie Dove years ago, I am of no help. I once tried to get a copy of the cut (which song escapes me, my mind is like a prison with no walls much of the time) but couldn't locate Ronnie,let alone the record. Sorry, Austin 'Mr. Memory' Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:17:02 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Crow / Amaret Mac Joseph: > I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group Crow. > As far as I can remember, they only had one US chart hit: "Evil Woman > (Don't Play Your Games With Me)", circa 1969. If someone could tell > me if this song is available, either on a greatest hits or a > compilation, I would appreciate it. And also, if anyone could tell me > about the band -- where they come from, what happened to them, etc. Hey Mac, I think the label for Evil Woman etc. (Crow) was Amaret, out of LA. Don't know where the group hailed from. I sold a record to Ameret (Kenny something owned the label) under another name. Because I was signed to another label at the time, I found another singer who looked like a model (Richie something) and could sing a bit, and passed him off as the artist (Amaret knew). Unfortunately, the label had a big 'to do' to introduce the first single and the artist to the jocks and public. Richie had done well in rehearsal but when he got on stage he froze, then screamed, then he cried, then hauled ass. Great! Though I felt bad for him, needless to say, there was no more Richie (the screamer) on Amaret. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:26:03 -0700 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: The Magic Lanterns Previously: > And lastly, I heard a story that the Magic Lantern, who did "Shame, > Shame", was actually the brainchild of John Paul Jones of Led > Zeppelin and produced by him. That song came out the same time > as "Evil Woman". Can somebody shed some light on this for me? A brief history of The Magic Lanterns (with an "s"): They formed in the Warrington/St. Helens areas of the UK as The Sabres (no relation to Denny Seyton & The Sabres OR the Godley & Creme Sabres), changing their name to The Magic Lanterns in 1966. The original lineup was: Jimmy Bilsbury (vocals, keyboards) Peter "Coco" Shoesmith (guitar) Ian Moncur (bass) Allan Wilson (drums) Their first 45 -- a version of Artie Wayne's "Excuse Me Baby" -- was a minor UK hit in 1966, but 4 subsequent 45s (and an LP) failed to chart. Moncur quit the group in late 1968, followed by Shoesmith and Wilson. Their replacements were Mike "Oz" Osbourne (vocals, bass), Bev Beverage (guitar, vocals), Peter Garner (guitar, vocals), and Harry Paul Ward (drums, vocals). "Oz Osbourne" is no relation to Ozzy Osbourne, nor was he related to the "Oz Osbourne" in the '70s metal band Coven. Meanwhile, Steve Rowland came on board to be their producer, and here's where John Paul Jones comes into the picture -- Rowland hired Jones to arrange 4 tracks on their 1969 US-only LP "Shame Shame" (including the title track, which was a minor hit in America). Albert Hammond was briefly a member of the band c. 1970, contributing to the "One Night Stand" LP. I've read that this was done by a completely different band......although Hammond *did* have a strong connection to Steve Rowland at the time. Anyway, the band finally called it quits in 1972. Bilsbury went on to sing with the Les Humphries Singers. Hope this helps, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:57:49 -0000 From: ModGirl Subject: Nervous Norvus! Hey all you real gone cats out there -- you know who you are -- at long last! http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Az2cm96hokep5 There's a slow-pokin' daddy, gonna pass 'im on the right, ModGirl -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:33:19 +0100 From: Ian Slater Subject: Re: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas?? / Associated Studios Mike Rashkow said about Associated Studios: > Best little mono to mono to mono to mono to mono demos in NYC. > Bet the label is blue and white. Yes - it is indeed! Can supply a scan if it helps. Anyone recognize the voice on the track now playing @ musica - is it Don Thomas? Ian Slater -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:38:42 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas?? Mick Patrick: > Details are: "Don't Gimme No Lip Child", written by Don Thomas, > Jean Thomas and Barry Richards. Ian Slater: > Thanks for the queue, Mick! I've uploaded the track and would be > pleased if anyone can identify the voice. All I can add to Mick's > info is from the label which is from Associated Recording Studios > of 723 Seventh Avenue at 48th Street. Any ideas? Over to you folks. All I can add is, if it's the same Barry Richards, he's writing a musical with Bobby Hart in LA. Austin R. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:34:02 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: The Magic Lanterns / Magic Lantern Previously: > I've often heard stories about the 68 Magic Lanterns. Ozzy Osborne's > group. Too many people have gotten that rumor mixed up (Collectables records take a bow) - The Lanterns had a bass player by the name of Mike "Ozzy" Osborne, not the same guy. As for John Paul Jones - who knows? The bass on the stereo version of "Shame Shame" is mixed right up front and center and sounds great, and I wonder who's playing that hot slide guitar? Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:08:05 +0100 From: Dave Heasman Subject: Re: French Ye-Ye Julio: > ... Jean Marie was the official photographer of "Salut Les Copains", > a sixties pop TV program in France, and his pictures help to > configurate aesthetically the style of French pop. Eddy: > Don't forget that Salut Les Copains was also, and almost of equal > importance, a French magazine, covering almost exclusively French > artists. Don't forget that Salut Les Copains was also a radio program. I used to listen to it every day. Heard "Don't Think Twice It's Alright" there in 63. Couldn't believe it. Worldchanging. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:09:35 -0400 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: Beach Music Mikey wrote: > Another great Beach Music song is "You're More Than A Number > In My Little Black Book" by The Drifters. Hard to find on CD, > but great tune! Shouldn't that be "You're More Than A Number In My Little *Red* Book"? It's on the "Definitive Drifters" CD: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000996AT/ RP -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:22:14 -0000 From: Andy Subject: Re: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern Max Weiner: > I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group > Crow. If someone could tell me if this song is available, > either on a greatest hits or a compilation. Better yet, the group is back in the studio and they are selling the "best of CD" on their web site, http://www.crowtheband.com andy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:56:28 -0000 From: Michael Subject: Re: The Candymen Phil Milstein: > Wasn't The Candymen the name of Roy Orbison's backing group? > If so, was it a different Candymen than the one that turned > into ARS? Al Kooper: > Candymen began by backing Orbison, Then recorded by themselves > and evolved into ARS. Hourglass became Allmans from Florida to > LA. Only common ground was red clay of Georgia later on. Weren't the ARS previously The Classics IV? Michael -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:13:44 -0000 From: Tom Subject: Re: Diamond masters Mikey wrote: > From what I'm told, a lot of the Diamond Records masters were > lost in a fire around 1973. Al Kooper: > Collectables put the Loop De Loop Johnny Thunder album out on CD a > coupla years ago. Although with them you can never tell the source. The Collectables CD on Johnny Thunder (which is a greatest hits package, not a straight reissue of his Loop De Loop album, from what I can tell), is all mono and I'm told it was mastered from mono records with some scratches evident on some songs...I don't have the CD, though, however a friend of mine is sending me a dub of the stereo Loop De Loop LP. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:17:40 -0400 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern Max Weiner: > I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group > Crow. As far as I can remember, they only had one US chart hit: > "Evil Woman (Don't Play Your Games With Me)", circa 1969. There was a "Best of Crow" CD that's now out of print, and it also appeared on a Sony various artist compilation called "Godfathers of Grunge", also OOP. If that's the only song of theirs that you're looking for I think the Sony comp is much easier to find than the "Best of Crow" CD. RP -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:01:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm D. Subject: Re: French Ye-Ye Dave Heasman wrote: > Don't forget that Salut Les Copains was also a radio program. > I used to listen to it every day. Heard "Don't Think Twice It's > Alright" there in 63. Couldn't believe it. Worldchanging. Ain't that peculiar! Exactly my experience; same song, too. I thought it was some old hillbilly geezer with no teeth doing a version of the Peter, Paul & Mary song. I loved it. Radio choice in the UK was so limited in the early '60s. European radio offered some salvation. Salut Les Copains, I remember, played a lot of rather dire French covers of R&B and R&R songs Eddie Cochran's "Something Else" and varieties of "What'd I Say" turned up frequently. But it also played lots of US obscurities (as Dylan then was) and other oddities I heard a couple of times then, and never since. One that stands out is a version of "Bony Maronie" in the style of The Rooftop Singers; another was a gospel-y R&B song (a la Don Gardner & Dee Dee Ford) with the line, "Black pepper will make you sneeze". Can any S'poppers help me identify these? So there I was in the early 1960s, tuning into poor-reception French radio stations, thinking I was unique ... and there were probably thousands of us! Ye Ye!! Norm D. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mac Joseph Subject: thanks to all This is just to thank everyone for the response I got on my question about Crow and The Magic Lanterns. I never expected to get such a response. I am still relatively new to this group, and every day I learn something new about the music I grew up with and love. Anyway, thanks again folks! Mac -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:27:41 -0000 From: David Bell Subject: Checkmates CD release I've just come across this piece of news on the Hip-O site, and thought that memebers might be interested in this (somewhat expensive) CD: http://www.hip-oselect.com/catalogue_checkmates.asp David. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:15:51 +0200 From: Jens Koch Subject: Brian Wilson on Larry King The Brian Wilson/Larry King interview has again been rescheduled and is now scheduled for this Friday, August 13. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:14:58 -0000 From: superoldies Subject: Re: The Candymen previously: > Weren't the ARS previously The Classics IV? Only certain members on Yost's last Imperial release "Song". Although the members on the "Song" photos are the same as who were on tour and on TV, they did not appear on the LP, for some reason. By this time, Lowery Music was pretty much using what would become ARS on most of their productions, including those by Billy Joe Royal, Tommy Roe, etc. Add and switch a few members & it would become ARS, hence the name. Candymen musicians Bill Gilmore and Robert Nix wrote "Cherryhill Park" for Royal, and Gilmore penned "Party Girl" for Roe, as well as tracks for Jay & The Americans. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:02:25 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Re: Larry Bright Me, earlier: > What's the story behind [Larry Bright], please? Gary Myers: > Well, the story is the one I did for Goldmine around 1990.... > Actually, I also reviewed all the L. Bright records that I had > at the time, but GM didn't use that adition to the story. I can > probably send that to you off-list, if you'd like it. Which issue of Goldmine from 1990? I've got a bunch of them downstairs.... Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:53:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Andrew Subject: Re: ain't it cool Austin Roberts wrote: > What's great about Spectropop is the vast amout of knowledge that > its members possess. They know more, in some ways, than those of > us that made and still try to make music that people will like and feel > close too. It sure is cool! I'm not a musician, songwriter, producer, etc. but I love this stuff! I so appreciate all the info. and stories all of you have provided. Now, I even listen closer to the songs. And, (I'm so behind in this e-mail) tonight I read the e-mail on Scopitones and went to that website. Here is something new I've never heard of! How fun and educational this Spectropop is! Thanks to all of you! Karen -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:16:46 -0000 From: Tom Stereoldies Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove Joe Nelson wrote: > He apparently just put the CDs together himself, to have something > to sell and give the fans something to buy. He has a turntable, but no > reel-to-reel deck capable of playing the tapes. From what you've told > me privately, he doesn't consider these CDs to be major releases. Well he makes enough money on the CD releases to not need to improve their sound quality. His producer appears to have multitrack player access, though, and I know he doesn't put the Collectables CDs together (but I'd like to kick the guy who does) from sources Ronnie provides (cassette tapes, ugh), but does have one CD with 5 new songs and 11 or so older songs that he put out himself, from various sources, including either master tapes or unreleased acetates that he had at his house for some songs. Tom -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:16:52 -0700 From: James Holvay Subject: Re: Crow Mac Joseph wrote: > I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group Crow. Crow was an opening act for The Mob on a few one-nighters in the midwest. They were not a horn group at the time. Their instrumentation consisted of two guitars, bass, drums & B3. They were based out of Chicago, but were not orginally from there. My friend, Bob Moncaco produced "Evil Woman" and later went on to produce Rufus, Carl Carlton, etc. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:55:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Andrew Subject: Beach Boys music heads to Broadway from Chicago Sun-Times (http://tinyurl.com/5m2lm): 'Good Vibrations' to Bring 'Fun, Fun, Fun' to Broadway Surf's up! 'Good Vibrations', a new musical using more than 30 Beach Boys songs, will open on Broadway in January. The show, which doesn't tell the story of the famous '60s singing group, will begin preview performances in early December at the Eugene O'Neill Theatre. An opening date will be announced shortly. 'Good Vibrations' has a book by Richard Dresser and concerns a group of small-town teens who come to Southern California. It will be directed and choreographed by John Carrafa, who created the dance sequences for 'Urinetown' and the Vanessa Williams revival of 'Into The Woods'. Among the songs expected to be used in the show are Beach Boys classics "Good Vibrations", "Fun, Fun, Fun", "California Girls", "Help Me, Rhonda", "Surf City", "Surfer Girl" and "Surfin' Safari". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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