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There are 10 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Ivanhoe Records/Back to mono
From: James Holvay
2. Re: Speaking of Twiggy
From: Mark Wirtz aka, Michael Sinclair
3. Terry Day / Al Hazan - "Just Another Broken Heart"
From: Mike Griffiths
4. Doris Day album; S'pop NYC?; Augie Rios bio; Altar of Dreams
From: Country Paul
5. Re: Ivanhoe Records/Back to mono
From: Davie Gordon
6. Phil Ramone on NPR
From: Dave Monroe
7. Re: A Japanese Santa.
From: Julio Niño
8. Re: Ivanhoe Records/Back to mono
From: Clark Besch
9. A question
From: James Botticelli
10. Re: Mann/Weil/Spector
From: Mark Wirtz aka, Michael Sinclair
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:46:41 -0800
From: James Holvay
Subject: Re: Ivanhoe Records/Back to mono
Clark:
> "Before It's Too Late" written by Holvey Dawg. I asked James
> Holvay if this could be a song he wrote under an odd twist on
> his name, but I think he said it wasn't, correct James?? No
> other credits for Arr, Prod or otherwise! Matrix 6762.
Clark: I co-wrote "Before It's Too Late" with Wayne Erwin.
Unbeknownst to me, it was released on an indie label by The
Thunderbirds. The name Dawg was Jimmy Peterson, who at one
time called himself James Dawg. Why and how the hell he got
a hold of the track and than got it to Eddie M., is beyond me.
But I wouldn't put anything past Jimmy P. in those days, in
his quest for fame & fortune.
James Holvay
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 07:52:11 -0000
From: Mark Wirtz aka, Michael Sinclair
Subject: Re: Speaking of Twiggy
Mick:
>.... However, I do have (on cassette) a track that definitely
> IS about the legendary model, although not in a particularly
> complimentary fashion. I've posted it to musica. Details are:
> Barbara Windsor "Don't Dig Twiggy" (Parlophone R 5629, 1967);
> Arranged by Mark Wirtz. Our dear pal Mark W. denies all
> knowledge of this track. Curious, that.
Took me a while to check this out and listen to it on musica.
OK, I admit, the arrangement sounds incriminatingly like mine.
But I can neither remember the session, nor meeting Barbara for
that matter. And those who know Barbara would admit that she
would make it hard, sorry, difficult, to forget her, that spunky,
luvverly, little dumpling.
What I feel sure of is that I definitely did not produce this mess
(if I did, I was definitely on the wrong drug). In fact, the only
explanation I have is that the track was recorded on a blind session
without the artist present, and I merely wrote the chart and directed,
then went home before the vocals were recorded. It is even possible
that I just wrote the chart and not even directed it.
What puzzles me the most is the recording year - 1967. It appears
more like a 1968 rent money gig, produced by Bob Monkhouse and
his agency partner (Mr Mitchell) during my association with
Mitchell-Monkhouse Associates. (Bob, by the way, was the funniest
person I ever met -- far, far, funnier in real life than on the
screen, or TV, where he always seemed a bit stiff to me. Perhaps
from being around Barbara W.).
The rest is a blank. So, back to you, archivist and collector nuts.
Do you guys eat moth ball serial for breakfast?
Cheers,
Mark W ;)
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 07:23:23 -0000
From: Mike Griffiths
Subject: Terry Day / Al Hazan - "Just Another Broken Heart"
After reading Martin Roberts post: 'Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop
update' I clicked straight through to check out the Terry Melcher
tribute started there:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/producers/TerryMelcher.htm
(nice!).
Then I went to 'The Complete Al Hazan Story' site and on the
Discography page http://www.alhazan.com/discography.html I found
complete audio for two of the Terry Day tracks that I just read
about over at Nitzsche central (the a and b sides of Terry's
first single: I Waited (Too Long) and That's All I Want – both
very cool and yes he does sound like Ricky Nelson on both of these).
There's so much to the Al Hazan Story that I'll have to go back a
few more times. And just about every song listed on the discography
page has its own audio track!
Well anyway, I came across what I think is a truly mind blowing
track. It's in the 'Demos of Al Hazan Compositions' section of the
discography. It's called "Just Another Broken Heart" and it is a
truly amazing recording and production (sounds like the top L. A.
players on it) and has a fantastic vocal by Terry. It's from 1963.
I just love this song to death and I've only heard it once. It
doesn't sound like a demo and it's hard to imagine that it wasn't
released. I wonder if the song was ever recorded by anyone else
because it's a great song.
It's so much fun to get excited about a newly discovered piece of
music. I feel like I'm really getting into the Spectropop groove.
Raving stops for now...
Mike
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 01:39:57 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Doris Day album; S'pop NYC?; Augie Rios bio; Altar of Dreams
Watson Macblue, Re: Terry Melcher RIP
> There is an entire unreleased Doris Day album, produced by Terry
> [Melcher] and ith backing vocals by Terry and Bruce Johnston....
> Bruce said back in 1994 that Doris's voice sounds as though it
> had been in the deep freeze since the 60s; you would never guess
> her age.
Some artists' voices don't age. Not quite our "meat," but the new
hard-rock/country hybrid album by Loretta Lynn would never reveal
a singer closing in on 70 (!) years old; yet she still sounds like
she always did.
Based on my own experience in voice-overs and in discussions with
other professionals, "lack of aging" is more prevalent in male
voices than female. That said, I'd love to hear anything from that
missing Doris Day album if anyone on board here has a track or two
they can play to musica.
The increasing talk of a New York S'pop gathering is making my
mouth water! Please let's do it - I'm glad to be there, and would
happily volunteer to DJ for a while again! Also, please circulate
a list of attendees beforehand - it might be an opportunity for
some of us to bring copies of certain records to be autographed
(if our "targets" don't mind!).
Re: the Augie Rios discussion and the perenniel reprising of "Donde
Esta..." (Metro K 20010, 1958; flip side "Ol' Fatso"), I'm surprised
he's such an obscure character, although there appears to be no
comprehensive bio easily available. Originally from Spain (source:
http://home.planet.nl/~haan0654/hot100/rh/fa/087.htm ),
http://www.songfacts.com notes that Augie was a child actor who
appeared on Broadway in musicals including "Jamaica" (unknown to
me). http://www.imdb.com cites three other Broadway musicals:
"Saratoga" (1959, playing "Shorty"; original cast recording reissued
by RCA Victor in 2000); "13 Daughters" (1961); and "Christine"
(playing "Rajendra"), which lasted for all of 12 performances in
1960. In fact, none of these shows ran more than a couple of months.
He acted on the TV series "Naked City" playing "Boy" in episode:
"The King of Venus Will Take Care of You" (episode # 3.30) 30 May
1962 ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1478851/ ). Away from the stage,
he covered The Turbans' doo-wop classic "When You Dance" on Shelley
SM 186 (see a label scan at http://tinyurl.com/3nedp ); that song
and another, "I've Got A Girl" (Shelley 181) appear on Early Bird
CD 1001, "Altar of Dreams." He also did a version of "Linda Lou"
(Shelley 192; the Ray Sharpe song?), reissued on "Wolf Call"
(Norton CED-271). Augie Rios & The Notations also appear on a Bear
Family/Bison Bop compilation, "Teen Scene" CD BB 55113, with four
songs: "There's A Girl Down The Way", "Augie Stay Home", "No One"
and "Lullabye". He is also name-checked as an artist who "recorded
a song written and/or produced by Jerry 'Swamp Dogg' Williams"
( http://www.swampdogg.com/artist%20list.htm ).
The Altar of Dreams CD is worth a note unto itself. This from
http://www.earlybirdrecordsinc.com/ebcds.html , where it can be
ordered: "First ever collection of doowop and girl group recordings
from Golden Crest and Shelley Records, of Long Island, New York
issued between 1958 and 1964. Includes the highly collectable (and
expensive!) 'Altar of Dreams' by Gino and the Dells, 'Bells Bells'
by the Chessmen and 'Poor Little Puppet' by the Senators. Other
groups in the classic doowop style include the Kact-Ties, Augie
Rios, and the Precisions. The girl groups are represented by the
quality sounds of Wendy & the Schoolgirls, Stephanie & the Gothics,
and the Montells. Beautiful 16 page booklet illustrated with rare
photographs. Illuminating notes with many new facts on the groups
by Gordon Skadberg. An invaluable addition to America's doo-wop
heritage on CD - and a great listening experience".
My curiosity is aroused.
Country Paul
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:15:51 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: Ivanhoe Records/Back to mono
Clark Besch:
> This is actually Ivanhoe 50000, not 50001.
> "Cindy, Oh Cindy" written by Bob Berron & Bert Long. Arr. &
> Prod. by Eddie Mascari. Matrix 6761 flipped with: "Before It's
> Too Late" written by Holvey Dawg. I asked James Holvay if this
> could be a song he wrote under an odd twist on his name, but I
> think he said it wasn't, correct James?? No other credits for
> Arr, Prod or otherwise! Matrix 6762.
Thanks Clark, I actually had the correct number but mistyped it.
>From the matrix numbers it would've released in late May '66.
BMI gives the writers of "Before .." as "B.Dowg" and "A. Holvey"
- the only credit they get on BMI.
Wonder if they're the group who had a few singles on Delaware,
a Chicago label despite its misleading name.
I've now found out that the Disciples on Ivanhoe were from
Oklahoma and later moved to Los Angeles where they changed
their name to Southwind who had two good rootsy albums on
Blue Thumb.
Here's a link to Moon Martin's website where you can see a pic
of the group.
http://www.moonmartin.com/photos_page4.html
> I-506 is: "Aire of Good Feeling" written by Jim Peterik (Ides
> of March/Survivor). Prod by Johnny Lamont. Matrix ZTSC 148624
> flipped with:
> "More and More" written by Smith-Juan. Prod by Johnny Lamont.
> Matrix ZTSC 148625.
Juan and Smith are Don Juan and Vee Pee Smith who the wrote the
song for Little Milton - it was later revived by Blood Sweat
and Tears - bet that was our esteemed Mr. Kooper's idea as
none of the rest of them would know Little Milton from Little
Pattie.
Who's the artist ? Looks like an interesting record - I really
liked the Ides of March their "Common Bond" was one of the most
listenable of all those brass-rock group albums.
> Looks like we helped each other here, Davie! Thanks for the
> discography! Clark
Well that's what this group's about isn't it ? - sharing info.
on these obscure records before it all gets lost.
Davie
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:48:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Phil Ramone on NPR
Weekend Edition - Saturday, November 27, 2004 - The legendary
music producer Phil Ramone's vast discography spans more than
40 years and includes the likes of Bob Dylan, Stan Getz, Madonna,
Billy Joel and Paul Simon.
Ramone was a violinist as a child, and got his start in the music
industry as a recording engineer. He was a pioneer supporter of
the compact disc in the 1980s, and has earned several Grammys.
Talking about some of his many career highlights, Ramone reminisces
about experiences recording with Dusty Springfield ("The Look of
Love") and Joao Gilberto ("Girl from Ipanema"). And he calls Billy
Joel "high adventure, one of the great performers of all time."
On one of his latest projects, Ramone produced tracks with Diana
Krall, Bonnie Raitt and others for Ray Charles' final album, the
duets collection Genius Loves Company. Another recent collaboration
was producing On the Moon, jazz sensation Peter Cincotti's latest
album.
Does Ramone ever make mistakes? He answers this and other questions
from NPR's Scott Simon.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4189025
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:38:17 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Re: A Japanese Santa.
Hola Everybody.
I want to thank Sheila Burgel (and her vector Mick), for playing
the wonderful Kayoko Moriyama version of "Donde Esta Santa Claus".
I love the latinesque, poppie-jazz approach. Her pronunciation of
mamacita (something like mamakita), the "oles," and the other
Spanish words in the song are really fun. Maybe Sheila could tell
us which year was it recorded and something more about Kayoko.
Have a nice weekend (I have a five-day weekend because Monday and
Tuesday are holidays, and we take the day in-between).
Julio Niño.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:54:52 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Ivanhoe Records/Back to mono
Me:
> "Before It's Too Late" written by Holvey Dawg. I asked James
> Holvay if this could be a song he wrote under an odd twist on
> his name, but I think he said it wasn't, correct James??
Just heard from James and this IS a song he wrote! Now, Jim,
why the "Holvey Dawg" author tag? A joke by Eddie?
Clark
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:19:14 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: A question
Does anyone on the list know where one can get isolated vocal
tracks ONLY of records?? OR isolated instrumental tracks ONLY
of records? Besides off 12" records? Maybe a website?
JB
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 08:07:54 -0000
From: Mark Wirtz aka, Michael Sinclair
Subject: Re: Mann/Weil/Spector
Dave O':
> I caught a litte snip of an interview on the radio recently with
> Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil. While talking about the Ronette's
> song "Walking in the Rain", they said, and I'll paraphrase
> here; "with all due respect to Phil Spector, on this track and
> many others, Larry Levine and the Goldstar studio echo were as
> much responsible for the sound Spector got on many of the tracks
> recorded there."
Gold Star's room accoustics and Larry Levine's mic'ing strategies
were most certainly an integral element in the overall synergy.
That is actually quite vividly echoed (pun) in non-Spector productions
that were recorded at GS, from Sonny Bono's undercelebrated efforts,
to recordings by the Cascades etc. (some of them not engineered by
Larry Levine). No doubt, our patron Spectorexpert Phil C will honor
us with some comments and observations, also perhaps dedicated Spector
researcher Kingsley A.?
Mark W.
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