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There are 23 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Where The Girls Are
From: S'pop Team
2. Re : Always Something There To Remind Me
From: Tony Bayliss
3. Re: Gary & the Hornets
From: Tom Taber
4. Re: "Always Something There To Remind Me"
From: Paul Lewis
5. Matthew Fisher; Four Seasons on Gone; Studio A; Requiem trouble
From: Country Paul
6. Round Robin/Bon Bons
From: Ian Chapman
7. Lincoln Chase 'n me
From: Phil Milstein
8. Alex Chilton -The Letter
From: Jonathan Litchfield
9. Beverley Jones
From: Stuffed Animal
10. R&RHOF; side point to the Main Point; Lou Johnson
From: Country Paul
11. Re: Where The Girls Are Volume 5
From: Billy G Spradlin
12. Latest Newsletter
From: Ken Charmer
13. Adam Faith/Dusty Lana
From: Ken Silverwood
14. Re: Friend & Lover
From: Dan Hughes
15. Re: Lou Johnson's "(There's) Always Something There To Remind Me"
From: Ken Silverwood
16. Re: Lou Johnson's "(There's) Always Something There To Remind Me"
From: Shawn Baldwin
17. Re: Where The Girls Are Volume 5
From: Mick Patrick
18. Re: Bon Bons / Shangs
From: Andres Andres
19. Re: Nino Tempo & April Stevens
From: David Coyle
20. Re: Lou Johnson / Beverley Jones
From: Mick Patrick
21. Re: Meet Me At Mary's Place
From: David Coyle
22. re: Downtown
From: Simon White
23. It's Not Easy by Normie Rowe
From: Norman
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:10:59 -0000
From: S'pop Team
Subject: Where The Girls Are
New at S'pop Recommends - Where The Girls Are, Volume 5
"A CD that has clearly set the standard for girl group
compilations to come?"
Why, Miss Sheila B must surely be referring to the latest
addition to the "Where The Girls Are" series! It appears
she quite likes it. Click here to find out why:
http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/
Enjoy!
The S'pop Team
Spectropop - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:17:35 -0000
From: Tony Bayliss
Subject: Re : Always Something There To Remind Me
asks Andrew Jones:
>I have the Shaw and Warwick versions, but I've never heard the
>complete Johnson version. Has anyone? Is it worth my seeking out?
Most definitely is it worth finding. IMHO I have always preferred
the Lou Johnson version to the other two. My copy is on Canadian
Quality (#1655) with the original recording credited to Big Hill
Records. Playing it again just now, the thought strikes me that it
was most probably conducted/arranged by Mr.Bacharach himself .. his
style is almost unmistakeable .. horns, piano, female back ground
singers.
The B side is also well worth a listen .. strictly instrumental,
although credited to Lou Johnson, it is another Bacharach/David
composition. 'Magic Potion'.
Tony Baylis
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:36:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Gary & the Hornets
John Fox:
> they recorded the first version of "There's A Kind of Hush"
> that I ever heard--months before Herman's Hermits' version.
I had just seen on a "chart" list a music survey that had both
versions "tied" I believe at #13 - might have been an Ohio
station. It's such a great, fun to sing-along song - did its
composer(s) have other successes?
Tom Taber
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:02:41 +0000
From: Paul Lewis
Subject: Re: "Always Something There To Remind Me"
Andrew Jones:5 Mar 2003 01:24:40 -0500 (EST)
>I have the Shaw and Warwick versions, but I've never heard
>the complete Johnson version. Has anyone? Is it worth my
> seeking out? Thanks.
Absolutely. It is taken in usual soulful way. I have it on the
Rhino box set the Look of Love: The Burt bacharach Collection.
In Australia it was cut down by Warners to a 2 cd set.
Thanks
Paul
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:43:30 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Matthew Fisher; Four Seasons on Gone; Studio A; Requiem trouble
Thanks to Phil Chapman for the Max Crook website; great stories!
Through it I also linked to Matthew Fisher of Procol Harum
(http://www.matthewfisher.com or
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~maf/index.html#Album).
I was a Procol Harum nut from the "Whiter Shade" (never heard
anything like it before) through "Salty Dog." If you related
to that music, check this out.
Paul Urbahns:
>[T]wo of my favorite Four Seasons songs never appear on any
>of the reissues and Rhino probably owns the rights. They are
>Bermuda and Spanish Lace. Both are very good records.
They were originally on Gone, George Goldner's label; they were
heavily reissued on many Roulette multi-artist compilations,
and shouldn't be too hard to find at record shows today.
Steve Harvey, sad about Kit Stewart's passing. "Won't Find
Better Than Me" was always a personal favorite.
I noticed the Studio A discussion is back. I asked Al Gorgoni
(with whom I've since lost touch) about it, but he has no memory
of making the record, although he of course acknowledges that
he did. As for the lead singer, it doesn't sound like Chip Taylor;
Doug's idea of it being Tommy James is much closer to my ears.
Ian Chapman:
> Country Paul asked for Betty Barnes "Requiem (For A Girl Born
> Of The Wrong Times)" to be played to musica. It’s now there
> for all to experience.
Thank you, Ian. Unfortunately, my computer won't open it for
listening because "the file name is bad" (Ah, those Bill Gates-
isms) and it won't tell me why. Can anyone help, please? (I'll
avoid the obvious pun about "I'm dying to hear it.")
And re: Ann Sidney - Miss World? Who'd have thought it from her
fluffy little 45? Thanks for the info!
Country Paul
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:09:31 -0000
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: Round Robin/Bon Bons
Guy wrote:
> Hi Ian, thanks for the Round Robin info. I don't have that
> track "Little People" - could you tell me the writers?
Sure thing, Guy - it's a total Page job - written by Billy
and arranged by Gene! Flip is an instrumental, "Sit &
Dance", credited to Romans/Fink, and has no other credits.
Andres:
> There are some other recordings in existence that some
> attribute to the Weiss and Ganser sisters,
> but it is unclear who really did them: the Shangri-Las'
> Wishing Well on Spokane and What's Wrong With Ringo? by
> the Bon Bons.
Andres,
There's never been any question that "Wishing Well" is by
the real Shangri-Las - it's an early Kama-Sutra production.
As indeed was the Shangra-Las (sic) on Smash before that.
Check out Mick's liner notes on the fab "Myrmidons of
Melodrama" comp for further information.
The Bon-Bons question was raised a couple of years ago here
on Spectropop. They were a group in their own right - if
you take a look in the Photos section in the Miscellaneous
folder, their pic is still there.
Ian
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:40:48 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Lincoln Chase 'n me
Had me a real nice time this morning listening to "Lincoln Chase
'N You", his 1973 solo album on Paramount. Starting with a paen
to the sucking noises made when smoking pot, it is a strange LP
indeed, yet remains rooted in a swell funk-pop that reminds me,
in various places and ways, of Oscar Brown, Jr., Melvin Van
Peebles and Exuma the Obeah Man. Highly recommended to anyone
who might find something like that appealing.
--Phil M.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:20:26 -0000
From: Jonathan Litchfield
Subject: Alex Chilton -The Letter
Steve Harvey wrote:
>The story I heard was that Alex was coached by the
>producer, Spooner Oldham (?), on how to sing the tune.
>He was copying his lead vocal which was erased once
>Alex's track was recorded.
It was actually Dan Penn who did the coaching. The song was
brought to the studio on a demo tape of Wayne Carson Thompson's.
Chilton has said "The Box Tops are only marginally my records,
I listen to them and I hear Dan Penn, I don't hear me."
Those around at the time usually recall a tedious, syllable-
by-syllable process of instruction. Penn has played down the
suggestion. "They [The Box Tops] came Saturday morning about
ten o'clock and they had Alex Chilton with them, who I'd never
seen. We started running 'The Letter' down, and he sounded
pretty good. I coached him a little, not a lot, told him to
say 'aer-o-plane', told him to get a little gruff, and I
didn't have to say anything else to him, he was hooking 'em,
a natural singer."
Both quotes are from Robert Gordon's excellent book It Came
From Memphis.
Jonathan L
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:25:58 +0000
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Beverley Jones
Mick:
> I'm cooking up a Beverley Jones interview for publication
> on S'pop.
Thanks for the info, Sir Patrick . . . but now I'm probably
going to piss you off, because I think this is the best
version of "Wait 'Til My Bobby Gets Home" that I've ever
heard, surpassing the Darlene Love/Spector version! It's
those "stumbledrums" that do it for me, as well as Bev's
bitchin' vocals. I call this a downright rowdy record,
ideal for frat parties!!!
Stuff
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:42:14 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: R&RHOF; side point to the Main Point; Lou Johnson
Larry Lapka:
> The Rock & Roll Hall of Fane....why should they not have
> their place there?
> Neil Diamond
> Dave Clark Five
> Moody Blues
> Monkees (that's right - ask Tom Petty why he got into the
> music business)
> Michael Nesmith (you don't want the Monkees, then at least
> have this guy in there)
> Paul Revere and the Raiders
> Petula Clark
> Cliff Richard
> Connie Francis
My issue with Neil Diamond, Pet Clark, Cliff Richard and Connie
Francis is that they started with rock (Pet Clark only arguably)
and consciously "grew out of it." Paul Revere and the Raiders
were not the kind of seminal influences I'd wish to see there,
nor were the Moody Blues, despite the large successes of both
groups. (Okay, I'd go for the Moodies over the Raiders.)
Arguably, I'd support the Monkees, since their assemblage caused
a major change in the way music was developed and presented, but
to me it was as much about commerce as creativity. (Sadly, I
wouldn't support Mike Nesmith, although he was my favorite Monkee
musically.)
Not keeping a scorecard on this stuff, I feel there are far more
deserving artists who truly pioneered areas of the music who
should be considered first. But that's the trouble with this kind
of thing - it's both highly subjective and highly political. I've
stepped close enough to the morass - time to pull back (at least
for me).
Justin McDevitt:
> though I never saw Springsteen at the Main Point, I did see
> the great Canadian folk artist Stan Rogers, as well as Steve
> Goodman, (one of Chicago's finest)
Amen to both. Steve Goodman, who I interviewed and who did a
live "living room concert" at WHCN, was a gentleman, scholar,
talent and righteous human being who was taken too soon. I only
know of Stan Rogers from the hilarious and spot-on satire,
"Workingman's Holler." Wish I could remember more about it;
Dr. Demento used to play it a lot in the early 80's.
Andrew Jones, I have to check, but I might have the 45 of
Lou Johnson's "Always Something There...." Yes, it is worth
acquiring; he had a huge rich voice which he used with tasteful
restraint. He was doing a lot of Bacharach & David songs from
the Dionne Warwick songbook - he seemed to be on his way to
being a "male Dionne" for awhile. (Don't know if he was into
psychics, though....) Another high point: his hit doo-wop soul
ballad, "Thank You Anyway, Mr. D. J." (on Big Top, I believe);
it's tied with my other favorite of his, "Kentucky Bluebird
(Message to Martha)." He had a pretty fair string of 45s, almost
all of them very good or better. I often wondered if he might
have done better with a less-mundane-sounding name.
Country Paul
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:02:44 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: Where The Girls Are Volume 5
I just got my copy of the CD last week and loving it. The
Jan Tanzy track was a nice surprise, did she cut any other
great singles?
My only (little) gripe is that the CD turns very R&B/Soul
oriented in the middle of the CD - did't CBS sign any fine
female pop singers during 66-8?
Its great hearing the Orchids and April Young tracks from
the source tapes rather than the worn 45 dubs I have heard
the past couple years. Sound quality is excellent, though
I'm disapointed with the Bootiques track - sounds like a
vinyl 45 dub to my ears.
Now I wish Mick & Malcolm could get the chance to raid and
pillage the Bell/Amy/Mala (we NEED more Tracey Dey on legit
CD!!!) and the Laurie vaults for simular comps!
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:22:35 +0000
From: Ken Charmer
Subject: Latest Newsletter
Hi everyone
The Frankie Valli and The Four Seasons Uk Historical Group
have just published their latest free Newsletter (No 38) for
March 2003 on the website http://www.btinternet.com/~seasonally
Lots of old articles and comment Hope it is of interest.
Chameleon
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:45:11 -0000
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Adam Faith/Dusty Lana
Hello to all,
I have posted to spectropop articles a poster from 1960 of
Adam Faith headlining a "summer season " show with Emile Ford
& The John Barry Seven. Further down the bill come "The Lana
Sisters", who at the time featured the future Dusty Springfield,
would she have been with them at this time June 1960. The season
in this case was a period of 13 weeks twice nightly plus matinee's
on a Tues & Thurs, so work that out. Here are some snippets from
the rest of the obit.
"His Blackpool performances earned Adam £1,000 per week , compared
to £4 as a messenger boy for Rank Cinemas,what a night it was for
young Adam Faith,the blue-eyed boy of today's record buying
teenagers. Not only was it his opening night but also it was his
20th birthday." It appears he returned again in 1966 to star at
the South Pier for the summer season. He was quoted as saying "
I never really sang well enough to make a life profession out of
it. I was successful at being a pop singer - that's different to
being a good singer".
Ken On The West Coast
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:33:32 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: Friend & Lover
Matthew H. wrote:
> Anyone have any info on the song
> 'Reach Out in the Darkness' by Friend & Lover?
Mick replied,
> "Reach Out Of The Darkness" was a USA Top 10 hit for Friend
> & Lover in 1968. The act comprised Jimmie David Post and his
> wife Cathy.
And I add,
Jim Post was a famous Chicago folk singer who recorded several
albums under his own name. Just last night I was talking to a
guy who used to hang out at the Earl of Old Town (Chicago folk
club in the 60s-70s) and he mentioned seeing Jim and Cathy
perform there frequently.
---Dan
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:13:08 -0000
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: Lou Johnson's "(There's) Always Something There To Remind Me"
Mick:
> Is the Lou Johnson track available on a single disc, anyone?
Yes Mick, I have a copy London American HLX 9917 b/w " Wouldn't
That Be Something" A Giant-Baum-Kaye opus. Who were those guys?
I have a lot of singles with their compositions on either "a" or
"b" side. I also have a Lou Johnson "Best Of.." CD entitled
"Sweet Southern (sic) Soul" it's on Marginal & has 18 sides from
his Big Top & Big Hill days another 6 are probably late 60s. Oh
and by the way I picked up a quite decent copy of Beverley Jones
"Why Do Lovers----" recently for £3, I also noticed that her
4th single has her version of "Heatwave" as an "a" side, anyone
heard that?
As an aside what are the chances of another in the "Girls Will
Be Girls" series on Westside, they were a good accompaniment
to the "Early Girls" & "Where The Girls Are" series.
Ken On The West Coast
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:09:10 -0600
From: Shawn Baldwin
Subject: Re: Lou Johnson's "(There's) Always Something There To Remind Me"
Mick Patrick said:
> (Lou Johnson's) version of ("(There's) Always Something There To Remind
> Me") is the original and without a doubt the best.
You should hear Martha Reeves' version of the song, it really kicks butt!
Shawn
ps Dionne recently re-recorded the song for her latest cd
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:39:05 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Where The Girls Are Volume 5
The S'pop Team:
> New at S'pop Recommends - Where The Girls Are, Volume 5
> "A CD that has clearly set the standard for girl group
> compilations to come." Why, Miss Sheila B must surely be
> referring to the latest addition to the "Where The Girls
> Are" series! It appears she quite likes it. Click here to
> find out why: http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/
Billy G Spradlin
> I just got my copy of the CD last week and loving it. The
> Jan Tanzy track was a nice surprise, did she cut any other
> great singles?
Did you read the booklet? You'll find that info there.
> My only (little) gripe is that the CD turns very R&B/Soul
> oriented in the middle of the CD...
I like variety on my compilations and always include some soul
tracks. Besides, doing that also widens the market. After all,
if the CDs don't sell enough, there might be no further volumes.
An entire CD of whiney white "Da Doo Ron Ron"-alikes would
irritate me greatly.
> It's great hearing the Orchids and April Young tracks from
> the source tapes rather than the worn 45 dubs I have heard
> the past couple years. Sound quality is excellent, though
> I'm disappointed with the Bootiques track - sounds like a
> vinyl 45 dub to my ears.
Actually, the two Orchids' tracks are disc dubs. I shall
inform the mastering engineer that you approve of his work.
Sony could not (or would not) supply master tapes for the
Orchids' and Bootiques' tracks, despite agreeing to license
the cuts to Ace. They couldn't find them or, more likely,
couldn't be bothered to look. Go figure.
> Now I wish Mick & Malcolm could get the chance to raid and
> pillage the Bell/Amy/Mala (we NEED more Tracey Dey on legit
> CD!!!)...
To date MB and I have included tracks by the lovely Tracey Dey
on three legit CDs. The folk at Sundazed have a licensing deal
with BMG for Bell/Amy/Mala material. Perhaps it's time a US
label got involved in the girl-group reissue scene instead of
leaving the job to us Brits. Howzabout it, Ephram?
Glad you like the CD, Billy.
MICK PATRICK
PS: Dame Thora Hird R.I.P.
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:21:08 +0300
From: Andres Andres
Subject: Re: Bon Bons / Shangs
Andres wrote:
> There are some other recordings in existence that some attribute
> to the Weiss and Ganser sisters, like What's Wrong With Ringo? by
> the Bon Bons.
Ian Chapman replied:
> The Bon-Bons question was raised a couple of years ago here on
> Spectropop. They were a group in their own right - if you take a
> look in the Photos section in the Miscellaneous folder, their pic is
> still there.
Thanks for info, Ian. The only thing in question - why this strange rumor
ever appeared?! If you use www.google.com and search for bon bons
Shangri-Las you'll see that this confusion exists at many sites! Even on
Spectropop (http://www.spectropop.com/gg/shangrilas.html) we read <>. Could it be that the Shangri-Las actually were the
Bon-Bons for just a short period of time and at the same time another
Bon-Bons existed too?
Sorry, didn't read Mick's liner notes on the "Myrmidons of Melodrama" comp.
Andres
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:24:59 -0800 (PST)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: Nino Tempo & April Stevens
"Deep Purple" by Nino Tempo & April Stevens is one of
my all-time favorite recordings ever -- not merely
"'60s", "pop", or "duo" -- it's just a great song. But
I can't seem to get interested enough in a whole Nino
& April CD collection. I have "All Strung Out" on that
White Whale compilation, it does nothing for me. I saw
a Nino & April Scopitone on AMC once, along with a
newsreel about them, and once again, nothing. It
didn't help that the Scopitone was for a lame, cheezy
version of "Land Of 1000 Dances".
Am I missing out on something? Is there anything else
enough like "Deep Purple" to reel me in?
David
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 01:03:43 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Lou Johnson / Beverley Jones
Me:
> Is Lou Johnson('s version of "(There's) Always Something
> ere To Remind Me") available on a single disc, anyone?
Ken:
> Yes Mick, I have a copy London American HLX 9917 b/w
> Wouldn't That Be Something" A Giant-Baum-Kaye opus.
I meant on a single compact disc, as opposed to the Rhino
three CD set.
> I also have a Lou Johnson "Best Of.." CD entitled "Sweet
> Southern (sic) Soul" it's on Marginal...
Marginal CDs are bootlegs. I meant a legit single compact disc.
> ...I picked up a quite decent copy of Beverley Jones "Why Do
> Lovers..." recently for £3, I also noticed that her 4th single
> has her version of "Heatwave" as an "a" side, anyone heard that?
Beverley sings "Heatwave" fabulously well. However, the beat
group-style backing grates. I love the b-side, though.
> As an aside what are the chances of another in the "Girls Will
> Be Girls" series on Westside, they were a good accompaniment
> to the "Early Girls" & "Where The Girls Are" series.
Unlikely! It's a while since Westside have released anything.
There is no third volume of "Girls Will Be Girls" planned.
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:12:17 -0800 (PST)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: Meet Me At Mary's Place
Haven't heard the Springsteen version, but I read
somewhere when the CD first came out that "Mary's
Place" is either a ripoff or rewrite (depending on
who you ask) of Sam Cooke's "Meet Me At Mary's Place",
recorded for his SAR label in the early '60s.
Dave
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:52:52 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: re: Downtown
Honourable mention here for Frank Sinatra's version of
"Downtown" on the "Strangers In The Night" album. Frank
makes a noise, thus: "When you're alone, And life is making
you lonely, You can always go, Eegghhhew, Downtown"
I wonder whether it was a comment on the song particularly?
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:46:49 +1030
From: Norman
Subject: It's Not Easy by Normie Rowe
Hi,
going back a couple of weeks ago Phil Chapman posed the
question about Normie Rowe's "It's Not Easy"
> Does anyone know if Normie's is the original version of this
> Brill Building song?
The following is an extract from Normie's answer to the question;
"It's Not Easy was picked from a series of demos played to me
by a song plugger from Screen Gem - Columbia music in London
in 1966. It had been written by Barry Mann and Cynthia Weill
for the Righteous Brothers just before their 1966 break-up.
I must've been the next person to hear it. I couldn't believe
my ears when I heard the song originally. The Righteous Brothers
were the first artistes to show me that white people could
actually sing with the feelings usually associated with Afro-
Americans from the Blues/Rhythm and Blues/Gospel genres which
eventually led to the world explosion of so-called Soul Music
of the sixties. Man and Weill had written most of the R.B.'s hits
and I was one big fan of both teams. The orchestra on the recording
was 36 piece which included John-Paul Jones and Jimmy Page, both of
whom went on to form Led Zeppelin, The Ted Heath Band brass section,
and a vocal group made up of singers from the Breakaways, and The
Ivy League. Phil Dennys wrote the score. The production team of John
Carter and Terry Kennedy were more than up to the task of producing
a really fine recording. It's Not Easy was recorded at Advision in
London's West End, on a four track ½" Ampex machine in November of
1966. Bill Medley recorded It's Not Easy about 1970, and Dusty
Springfield also had a go at it on an LP around the same time.
...Regards, Normie Rowe."
Norman
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