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There are 18 messages in this issue of Spectropop.
Topics in this Digest Number 433:
1. More musica
From: "Jeffrey Glenn"
2. Re: BOBBY RYDELL
From: Ron Buono
3. Re: Bobby Rydell
From: Ron
4. Re: Bobby Rydell
From: Ken
5. Re: Toomorrow/Olivia/Jackie
From: "Peter Lerner"
6. Wonder Land, Cameo, Sharps
From: "Paul Payton"
7. The Archies/The Klowns
From: "Don Charles"
8. Status Cymbal & Berkeley Kites
From: "Jeff Lemlich"
9. RE: Wonder Land, Cameo, Sharps
From: Kristensen Jan Kristen
10. Clay Cole
From: Ronnie Allen
11. RE: BOBBY RYDELL
From: Kristensen Jan Kristen
12. Donna, Lesley & Pandora
From: Bob Rashkow
13. Re: The Archies/The Klowns
From: "Mikey"
14. Curt Boettcher, death of
From: "drchilledair"
15. ALICE WONDER LAND
From: mick patrick
16. Clay Cole
From: Ronnie Allen
17. Re: Clay Cole
From: greenwj
18. Re: "Ice Cream Man" / Clover/Abba
From: "Norman"
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 06:13:14 -0800
From: "Jeffrey Glenn"
Subject: More musica
I've played the Toomorrow A-side to musica; the complete
info on the song:
Goin' Back (Barkan-Adams) - Toomorrow, Kirshner 63-5005:
1971, P:roduced by Ritchie Adams & Mark Barkan, Arranged
by Hugh Montenegro, Music Supervision: Don Kirshner
> Here's the Dreams, Fantasies & Nightmares entry for them.
Stephane, thanks for the info. I've also played "Alice In
Wonderland" to musica, and here's the complete info on
both of their 1968 Laurie singles for Dreams, Fantasies &
Nightmares (note that "Alice.." is the A-side):
1. It Takes All Kinds (R. Dahrouge-E. Woolley)/I'm Still
Hung Up On You (R. Dahrouge) - The Central Nervous System,
Laurie 3421: 1968, Produced by Nicky Addeo & Ray Dahrouge
2. Alice In Wonderland (D. Morris-E. Greenberg-G.
Schwartz-V. Neuland)/Something Happened To Me (B.
Terrell-R. Dahrouge) - The Central Nervous System, Laurie
3446: 1968, Produced by Laurie Productions Inc., Recorded
at Allegro Sound Studios
> This song (Alice In Wonderland-Berkeley Kites) can be found
> on the Bubblegum Mother***er series (the first volume),
Thanks Patrick; I have a nice clean burn of this already.
I'm looking for any of their other 45's. Anyone?
> Did anyone mention Spindrift's tune "Alice in Wonderland"
> (1967) on Scepter? Jeff Glenn lists this on the Lost Juke
> Box file. Very nice harmony but I didn't groove on it so
> I sold the 45 - Bobster
Ah, Bob, there's one that got past me, because it's in my
"pending" stack to be burned. What the Bobster caught on
my list was the A-side of the Spindrift single - "Time
Stands Still For Me." But yes, the B-side is yet another
"Alice In Wonderland" - actually a quite nice very poppy
folk/rock track with nice harmonies like Bob said. Here's
the info:
Alice In Wonderland (Cacey Johns-Perry Alexander) -
Spindrift, Scepter SCE 12168: 1966, Produced by Artreff
Productions.
If anyone wants to hear this, I can do a quick burn and
play it to musica.
Jeff
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 10:44:11 EST
From: Ron Buono
Subject: Re: BOBBY RYDELL
In a message dated 4/4/02, spectropop writes:
> I remember one Bobby Rydell popdrop that I loved and was
> not part of the "twist" mode that Bobby fell into (no
> doubt a "side effect" of stable mate Chubby Checker) - "I
> Got Bonnie," written by Goffin-King. Anybody recall the
> label?
I remember another Rydell track entitled (I think) "Love,
Love Go Away" which has lots of percussion, and a
Spectorish "Be My Baby" influence to it. Anybody familiar
with this one?
Ron Buono
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:05:23 -0000
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Bobby Rydell
I was also partial to "I've Got Bonnie". I liked his
later hits the best. "I'll Never Dance Again", "Forget
Him", etc. I even preferred his version of "World Without
Love" to Peter and Gordon. I understand he did an early
version of the Grass Roots "Lovin' Things" on Reprise, but
I've never heard it.
Ron
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 20:42:04 +0100
From: Ken
Subject: Re: Bobby Rydell
-----Original Message from: Mark Wirtz
> I remember one Bobby Rydell popdrop that I loved and was
> not part of the "twist" mode that Bobby fell into (no
> doubt a "side effect" of stable mate Chubby Checker) - "I
> Got Bonnie," written by Goffin-King. Anybody recall the
> label?
Yeah i got that one.
Came out in the states with " Lose Her " as the flip on
Cameo 209 and "blighty" side on Columbia DB 4785 with the
same flip. Talking about Mr. Ridarelli has anyone ever
heard his take on " World without love" the Peter &
Gordon/ Lennon& McCartney tune? I saw & still may have a
copy of a program on UK television about songwriters of
the 20th century, and in the section Lennon/McCartney on
came a clip of Mr. Rydell performing said song back in
1964, complete with finger clicks!! a la " live at PJ,s ".
To be honest ,how his main songwriters got away with some
of the blatent copies of other tunes is unbelievable, try
"Mama Said" Shirelles back to back with " The Fish" for
hors-d'oeuvre. Poor George with "his Sweet Lord "
Ken on the West Coast
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:04:36 +0100
From: "Peter Lerner"
Subject: Re: Toomorrow/Olivia/Jackie
Will wrote:
> I'd put Olivia's first recording; Jackie DeShannon's
> "Til You Say You'll Be Mine." What year was that Peter?
An invitation I can't refuse! UK Decca released Olivia's
first single in 1966 - "A Republic Production". The liner
notes to the See For Miles compilation album "Pop Inside
the 60's", which includes both sides of the 45, says "Till
you say you'll be mine" was a startling effort for the
young hopeful, as it merged strong Motown overtones with a
stomping rhythm section reminiscent of Dave Dee, Dozy,
Beaky, Mick and Tich. (Heaven help us if I have now
started a DDDBMT thread!)
You can find Jackie DeShannon's own version on her Liberty
45 55645, where it's totally eclipsed by what was the
original B-side, her out-of-this world original of the
much covered "When you walk in the room".
Peter
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:14:12 -0500
From: "Paul Payton"
Subject: Wonder Land, Cameo, Sharps
Ken writes:
> Another link is a young lady with the unlikely name of
> Alice Wonderland who dented the U S charts in late 1963
> with a Spector pastiche called " He's Mine" on Bardell
> 774 in U S and London American HLU 9783 in UK.
Close scrutiny of the Bardell label reveals her to be
Alice Wonder Land. Really.
Ron, thanks for the Bobby Rydell info. Cameo-Parkway ahd
it's subsids indeed had some great music; too bad
ownership politics have bottled it up. If you get a chance,
Zip & the Zippers' "Where You Goin' Little Boy" on
Fairmount is a fine Orlons track under a different name.
The Rivingtons were also the Sharps? Wow....They were the
vocal back-up for Duane Eddy's greatest Jamie hits (and a
bunch of others), as well as having the wonderfully insane
"Gig-A-Leen" on Jamie, which I'm still searching for.
Thanks for the correction.
Country Paul
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:32:57 +0000
From: "Don Charles"
Subject: The Archies/The Klowns
Further discussion with Ron Dante has revealed the name of
the girl who sang behind him on The Archies' 1971 album
This Is Love. It is not Jeannie Thomas, but Merle Miller.
When Donna Marie quit the music business to get married,
Ritchie Adams and Ron Dante replaced her with Merle (who,
I'm told, is the sister of another popular NY session
singer, Leslie Miller). She remained The Archies' female
voice until they ceased to exist in April of 1972. As far
as Jeannie Thomas goes, both Ron Dante and Jeff Barry seem
to recall working with her on Archies sessions. Ellie
Greenwich, on the other hand, is a source of much
controversy: Ron Dante says she never sang with The
Archies, Joey Levine says she did, and Jeff thinks so, but
isn't sure. I hope to get some information soon that will
put the matter to rest.
Not to abruptly change the subject, but does anyone know
who, besides Barry Bostwick, was in the vocal group known
as The Klowns? They recorded a Jeff Barry-produced album
in 1970 for RCA Victor and also hosted an ABC-TV special
that year.
Don Charles
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:55:49 -0500
From: "Jeff Lemlich"
Subject: Status Cymbal & Berkeley Kites
> Paul Payton wrote:
> For list consumption, Nick, any interesting notes on their
> pre- or post- "In The Morning" career? You also said "In
> The Morning" was a hit - regionally? I always wished it
> had been in New England.
"In The Morning" was a regional hit in Miami, peaking at
#30 on WFUN the week of March 22, 1968.
Re The Berkeley Kites: Finley Duncan's studio was based
in Valparaiso, Florida, up in the Panhandle. Most of the
acts he produced were from Florida, but a few came from
other parts of the south as well. I got Duncan's
telephone number a little too late; I called his number
in 1989 only to learn he had died a few months earlier.
Jeff Lemlich
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 13:44:52 +0200
From: Kristensen Jan Kristen
Subject: RE: Wonder Land, Cameo, Sharps
Country Paul writes:
>Close scrutiny of the Bardell label reveals her to be
>Alice Wonder Land. Really.
I seem to recall that the real name of Alice Wonder Land
was Alice Faye Henderson and that she also recorded as
Marie Antoinette "He's my dream boy" in 63
Jan K
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:01:43 -0500
From: Ronnie Allen
Subject: Clay Cole
I grew up in Teaneck, NJ and I used to enjoy watching Clay
Cole's TV shows back in the 60s.
He hosted a show that basically a local version of
American Bandstand, featuring many of the most popular
recording acts of the day lip-synching their hits. If I
recall correctly the show was on Channel 9 (WOR) but I
could be mistaken.
If memory serves me correcly I believe Hy Lit (who
eventually became a Philly legend) preceeded Clay Cole in
the hosting spot.
Does anyone here know whether Clay Cole is still active
and, if so, what he's presently doing?
Ronnie Allen
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 13:54:12 +0200
From: Kristensen Jan Kristen
Subject: RE: BOBBY RYDELL
"Love love go away" can be found on the CD "Found in the
attic vol 2" Attic 9002
Jan K
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 04:41:35 -0000
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Donna, Lesley & Pandora
Don Charles wrote:
> When Donna Marie quit the recording business to get
> arried, Ritchie Adams and Ron Dante replaced her with
> Merle Miller, who I'm told is the sister of Leslie......
The title of Donna Marie's Coral single, "Eddie Wasn't
There," is in itself pretty intriguing. Is anyone
familiar with it? Does she sound like anybody I've heard,
e.g., Lesley Gore, Jackie DeShannon, etc.? Am I right in
"assuming" that Lesley Miller is same who recorded Warren
Zevon's "He Quit Me" that made the Midnight Cowboy
soundtrack?
Any Spectropoppers that lived in Chicago in the late 60s
and were under the age of 14? Remember Kiddie-A-Go-Go, the
teenybopper dance show hosted by Pandora Mulqueen on
Channel 26? That was what started the whole thing going
for me--but I got a bigger kick out of the "Sittin' Songs",
the ones the kids COULDN'T QUITE DANCE TO such as Fifth
Estate's Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead, than the dancing. I
still remember trying to guess how long before one of the
girls (or guys!!!) would start giggling. Bobster
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:23:47 -0500
From: "Mikey"
Subject: Re: The Archies/The Klowns
> Not to abruptly change the subject, but does anyone know
> who, besides Barry Bostwick, was in the vocal group known
> as The Klowns? They recorded a Jeff Barry-produced album
> in 1970 for RCA Victor and also hosted an ABC-TV special
> that year.
>
> Don Charles
>>>>>hiya don!!
That's funny, I have the RCA 45 with the picture sleeve.
You're right about Barry Bostwick being in the group.
Mikey
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:57:00 -0000
From: "drchilledair"
Subject: Curt Boettcher, death of
For an article I am writing for Japan, can anyone fill me
in on the details of the death of Curt Boettcher in 1987.
I have looked through the archives here and maybe have
overlooked, but I can't find anything. Also, any details
of his personal life will be appreciated. I know, of
course, he was homosexual, but I am wondering about family,
survivors, general lifestyle, financial well-being or lack
thereof, etc.
Thanks in advance.
Bill Reed
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:29:24 +0100 (BST)
From: mick patrick
Subject: ALICE WONDER LAND
Hi,
Recently on Spectropop:
> Another link is a young lady with the unlikely name of
> ALICE WONDER LAND who dented the U S charts in late 1963
> with a Spector pastiche called
> "HE'S MINE (I LOVE HIM, I LOVE HIM, I LOVE HIM)" on Bardell...
If anyone cares, the above-mentioned track is contained on the
Ace CD EARLY GIRLS, vol 3 (CDCHD 775, 2000). Here's a paragraph
>from the booklet:
...The convenient option might be to classify "He's Mine..."
as a gratuitous Phil Spector facsimile. However, a cursory
listen to Kenny Dino's somewhat similar sounding hit record
"Your Ma Said You Cried In Your Sleep Last Night"
reveals that producer-songwriter Stephen Schlacks had, in fact,
been plundering that very sound since 1961 with nary a thought
of Spector in his mind.
The improbably named Miss Wonder Land was in actuality
Alice Faye Henderson, the maid of Schlaks' neighbour.
Rumour has it that she also recorded as Marie Antoinette...
There was a very good cover version of "He's Mine" by THE SWANS.
You can find the track on the CD
SLOW FIZZ: THE JERRY ROSS GIRL GROUPS (Sequel NEMCD 950, 1998).
In the UK the song was recorded as "She's Mine" by that fabulous
Liverpudlian doo wop quintet THE CHANTS. And those interested
can locate that on the CD IN MY IMAGINATION:
HERE COME THE BOYS, vol 2 (Sequel NEMCD 953, 1998).
Some say this is the best version.
MICK PATRICK
PS If you have the Marie Antoinette 45 alluded to above,
spin the B-side to discover something interesting.
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 21:52:35 +0100
From: Ronnie Allen
Subject: Clay Cole
I grew up in Teaneck, NJ and I used to enjoy watching Clay
Cole's TV shows back in the 60s. He hosted a show that
basically a local version of American Bandstand, featuring
many of the most popular recording acts of the day
lip-synching their hits. If I recall correctly the show
was on Channel 9 (WOR) but I could be mistaken. If memory
serves me correctly I believe Hy Lit (who eventually
became a Philly legend) preceded Clay Cole in the hosting
spot. Does anyone here know whether Clay Cole is still
active and, if so, what he's presently doing?
Ronnie Allen
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 19:33:42 EST
From: greenwj
Subject: Re: Clay Cole
I grew up in Ramsey, New Jersey and remember Clay Cole as
well. Didn't he appear in an early sixties Rock 'n Roll
movie?
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 10:29:57 +0930
From: "Norman"
Subject: Re: "Ice Cream Man" / Clover/Abba
Ken mentioned:
> Hey,is this song in any way related to " Uncle Joe The
> Ice Cream Man " released by The Mindbenders back in oohh
> 1968/69,i seem to remember this had a slightly odd
> lyrical content.
I knew that song rang a bell. Uncle Jo, the Ice Cream
Man was written by Graham Gouldman and recorded by The
Mindbenders in 1968.
Norman
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