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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. George Harrison and The Spoonful
From: Alan Gordon
2. Re: Recent CD: Skeeter Davis
From: Mark Frumento
3. Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
From: Orion
4. Re: Wings
From: Bob Rashkow
5. Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
From: beatrocket
6. Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
From: Mark Frumento
7. We Five
From: Bob Rashkow
8. Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
From: Mark T
9. Re: Shadows & Reflections
From: JJ
10. Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
From: Keith D'Arcy
11. Re: DA DOO RON RON - 5th B'day shindig Sat 18th October
From: Chris King
12. Bacharach's 'Fool Killer'
From: D Bassett
13. Poni-Tails: Before we say goodnight
From: Al Pavlow
14. Re: Paul Harris
From: Artie Wayne
15. Re: Van McCoy/Before and After
From: Artie Wayne
16. Caroline Day/Carolyn Daye and Diane and Annita
From: Frampton
17. Katch 22. (Soft Rock)
From: Rob
18. Sue Raney and Joanie Sommers
From: Patrick Rands
19. Re: The T.A.M.I. Show
From: Tony Leong
20. Re: TNT and TAMI Shows
From: Bill Reed
21. Starsailor not done their homework!
From: Richard Hattersley
22. Re: The Knack
From: John Berg
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:36:36 -0700
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: George Harrison and The Spoonful
Steve Harvey
Subject: Speaking of George
> A very knowledgable record collector told me that Harrison came
> over in 1968 to visit the US and heard the tapes for the White
> Album (about to be released). He went and remixed his cuts on
> the LP, but you can only hear his remixes on albums with 'Mastered
> By Capitol' in the run-off grooves. Anyone else ever heard of this
> or have one of those rare White Albums? Radically different versions
> from the ones that most people know.
Hey Steve:
I've never heard this. I'm assuming this is apocryphal, but I'd
love to hear these versions, if they do exist. I think that the
stereo and mono versions of this album are fairly different... and
that may be where the rumor started. I'm assuming you/he meant that
George went back to England to remix his cuts, as it's not likely
that Capitol would have the session multi-track tapes(?)
Steve Harvey
Subject: Paul Harris
> Elektra made a deal with the Spoons to buy their gear in return
> for their five cuts (4 came out on "What's Shakin'?"). It was
> those 5 cuts that Paul Harris produced. The Doors were not on it,
> but Tom Rush, Al Kooper, Eric Clapton with Stevie Winwood and
> the Paul Butterfield Band. "
I knew we could count on you, Mr Harvey.
What was the other cut, Steve? Might it be on one of the new reissues?
peace,
~albabe
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:05:23 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Recent CD: Skeeter Davis
Phil Milstein wrote:
> Any chance we could get you to run down the tracks for us?
Yes....
A Summer Song,
Don't Anybody Need My Love,
Don't Let Me Stand In Your Way,
Easy To Love,
Gonna Get Along Without You Now,
I Can't Help It If I'm Still In Love With You,
I Can't See Me Without You,
I Can't Stay Mad At You,
I Will Follow Him,
If I Had Wheels,
I'm Saving My Love,
Keep Your Hands Off My Baby,
Ladder Of Success,
Let Me Get Close To You,
My Sweet Loving Man,
Please Don't Talk To The Lifeguard,
Remember (Walking In The Sand),
Silver Threads And Golden Needles,
Summer Sunshine,
Sunglasses,
The End Of The World,
Under The Boardwalk,
What Am I Gonna Do With You,
What Does It Take (To Keep A Man Like You Satisfied)
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:24:51 -0400
From: Orion
Subject: Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
I have both of the LPs you are talking about and I guess
there is such a wide array of terms that I see about this
music. "Soft Pop", "Sunshine Pop", "Pop Psyche" in my opinion
those all mean the samething. I normally purchase LPs that
have those nomenclatures just because I have had decent luck
staying away form hard "psychedelic". The game of sales is
nothing but a game of words and what will sell. I may have
to look at what Rev-Ola has to sell, I might like their
"soft pop"
:) Peace
Orion
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:32:49 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: Wings
I've never heard anything from the LP but Paul Williams whether
penning solo or with Nichols, Colombier, etc. is certainly one
of those who made the 6Ts and early 7Ts so great. I do have
Lani Hall's Sundown Lady LP, though. Her 1974 take on "We Could
Be Flying" is a true delight as are Ocean Song, her version of
Don McLean's Vincent, and the title track, which got a slew of
airplay on FM in Chicago.
Bobster
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:33:13 -0000
From: beatrocket
Subject: Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
Chris Mondia wrote:
> I still love Rev-Ola and will buy almost anything they
> release. How about putting that Match LP out Mr. Foster?
> Then you can feel free to describe it as softpop.
The sole LP of Match will be out from BEATBALL, S.Korean label.
with their 45 cuts as bonus.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:45:22 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
Chris Mondia wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone here has noticed Rev-Ola's gross
> misuse of the term "soft-pop".
The use of terms like "psych" or "soft pop" etc is always
going to be open to interpretation so I'm not sure Rev-Ola
can ever please everyone. Once they start using the word
psychedelic to describe The Blade of Grass I fear that
hoards of Syd Barrett fans will storm their offices and ask
for refunds.
In my interpretation nearly all of the Rev-Ola CDs you mentioned
are soft-pop (harmony pop is also a current fave term I guess).
I don't feel that there is anything remotely psychedelic about
October Country or Blades of Grass.
My wife makes it easy for me... she calls everything I listen
to bubblegum. So there!
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:09:31 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: We Five
That's funny! Was just on the web site reading the article
about the late Michael Stewart of We Five. I didn't know
they were the first group to chart with "Let's Get Together",
one of the classic sixties anthems. I've heard the Youngbloods
(of course!), Jefferson Airplane's, and H.P. Lovecraft's versions
- but never theirs! I bet they do a fabulous job with it.
Bobster
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:25:50 -0000
From: Mark T
Subject: Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
Well, I think the correct term is soft rock and I too have
different definitions. To me Free Design is light Jazz and
not rock at all, soft or otherwise. Too often what I feel
gets lumped in as soft rock are things that are bordering
on elevator music. I like some of the Blades of Grass output
but some of it is garagey to me. I don't blame rev-ola but to
me it seems that people try to cater to
whomever their constituency is. They are a soft-rock oriented
label so they put that tag on a lot of material whereas I have
seen a great deal of soft rock and harmony pop labeled as psych
by dealers of that genre. I guess until someone comes up with a
definitive definition, it is all in the ears of the listener.
Maybe we can run a poll here to figure out what it is that the
majority consider soft rock.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:02:24 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Re: Shadows & Reflections
John Berg:
> The couple also played for me 8 songs The Action recorded
> live in the studio for the BBC - 04 by the original five member
> band, 04 more by the "Rolled Gold" era band as they moved towards
> "psychedelia" (the latter 4 songs are "Love Is All", "I See You"
> [Byrds number from "5th Dimension" album], "India" and "Shadows
> & Reflections".) These BBC tracks are apparently slated for vinyl
> release -- not sure what label or when. The couple also played
> for me a previously unknown song by The Action that the band
> recorded on May 31, 1966 as an audition for Decca, produced by
> Mike Vernon. This song will be released as a "bonus" disc
> accompanying the book on The Action (look for it in late 2004.)
**WONDERFUL news regarding the Action book + BBC recordings..
....I have an "obsession" with another Action related track,
"Wasn't it you", i.e. orig rel as a German only b-s.(a-s. ==
"Harlem Shuffle"). This AMAZING Goffin-King tr was orig recorded
by Petula Clark, 1966, and is a much more Produced version,
opposed to the more "demo-like" Action recording......so far
I've found cover versions of this song, by the following acts;
(if anyone can add more versions, PLEEZ lemme know!) 3's a Crowd
- Dunhill '68 LP track Peggy Lipton - Ode ´68 LP track Billie
Davies - UK Decca '67 45 Gloria Lynne ??(here I'm not so sure,
if it's the same song; any info, much appreciated)
JJ/Sweden
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:07:27 -0400
From: Keith D'Arcy
Subject: Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
I think it's the Japanese guide books that Vanda puts out that
lock in what
gets described as soft pop & soft rock. Has anyone else noticed
the little bit of revisionist history that's gone on between
volumes? They've removed records like Michaelangelo, Visions
of Sunshine and The Choir (but kept in "Give Me Take You" by
Duncan Browne and the Jackie & Roy records...).
I absolutely see the Tokens fitting into the description (and
so does Vanda, as they're very thoroughly examined in the new
volume). Here's a point of note though: the Vanda book is quite
specific about which Tokens records actually qualify as soft-rock,
namely "It's A Happening World," "Back To Back," "Intercourse" &
"Both Sides Now." Oddly, they leave out my favorite Tokens LP
"December 5th."
I think it's really strange that "soft rock," once a term of
derision for watered down, studio group "lite" versions of late
60's pop music, is now a very carefully examined and collected
genre of music. I'm as guilty as anyone in this regard (or more
so). How many hipsters were rockin' Free Design records out the
open windows of frat houses back in the day? Would the world
have been a better place if they had been?
KD
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:56:06 +0100
From: Chris King
Subject: Re: DA DOO RON RON - 5th B'day shindig Sat 18th October
Dear fellow UK-based Spectropoppers -
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Full info below.
Many thanks indeed for your indulgence,
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@ The Sussex Arts Club, 07 , Ship Street, Brighton, BN1.
Tel:-01273-778020
Special guests:-
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9pm - 2am
Just £4 on the door if names are E-mailed in adavnce OR
(phone Tel:-01273-778020)
£5 on the door on the night
DJ's - Chris 'Da Doo' King & Si Bridger will spin their
familiar mix of 60s girly sounds a-go-go from the likes
of The Ronettes, Dusty, Supremes, Marvelettes, Lesley Gore,
Barbara Lewis, Chris Clark, Shangri-La's, Petula, Lulu,
Helen Shapiro, Vandellas, Brenda Holloway, Shirley Bassey
& so on.
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:34:34 -0000
From: D Bassett
Subject: Bacharach's 'Fool Killer'
I'm hoping someone on this board can help me understand the
Bacharach/David composition 'The Fool Killer'. I've just
acquired the 'Rare Bacharach' compilation and Gene Pitney's
version is there. This seems a particularily 'dark' song for
the likes of Hal David.
Comments?
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:48:27 -0400
From: Al Pavlow
Subject: Poni-Tails: Before we say goodnight
Don wrote:
> I came across a recording of The Poni-Tails' "Before We Say
> Goodnight" and I am trying to figure out who wrote the song.
The writer credits are: Noel Sherman & Jack Keller.....
Al
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:21:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Paul Harris
Country Paul........Steve........Alan....How ya'll doin'?
I just wanted to add my two cents worth on Paul Harris....
....He was also an incredible arranger which includes, "Hello
I love you" and "Touch me babe" by the Doors. At the time
Ronnie Haffkine and I were so impressed by his work we brought
him in from California to arrange half of the"Shadow Mann" album
we did for Morris Levy
For this and other stories you can check out my website
http://www.geocities.com/artie_wayne/index.html
regards, Artie Wayne
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Van McCoy/Before and After
Patrick........Ian.........How ya' doin'? I had the good
fortune of working with Van McCoy at three different
publishing companies April-Blackwood, Daedalus music and
Warner brothers music. Not only could he write irresistible
hooks within his songs,he put the icing on the cake with his
stellar productions. One of the songs I placed at April-
Blackwood was "Before And After" with Lor Crane, who produced
it with Chad And Jeremy. I'm glad a lot of you remember it.
regards,
Artie Wayne
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:29:06 -0000
From: Frampton
Subject: Caroline Day/Carolyn Daye and Diane and Annita
Hi, Can anyone tell me if the Caroline Day of Teenage Prayer
and Alone at the Prom is the same as Carolyn Daye who shows
up on Liberty Records later on, and several other labels that
I can't quite remember.
Anyone know what her later stuff sounds like?
Also, I'm looking for a more complete Diane and Annita
discography. I have 3 singles for wand in my collection now.
Of course I'll never find or afford the Vogue EP with Dark
Shadows and Empty Hallways on it, but one can try.
Thanks everyone!
Frampton.
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:48:41 -0000
From: Rob
Subject: Katch 22. (Soft Rock)
Hi All,
I also have this album [Katch 22] but I think on this occasion
the term "Soft Rock" is a misnomer. The cover depicts the band
stuck in a gooey mess which is the sort of mixture made in a
sweet (candy) factory. This is probably why the album is called
"It's Soft Rock & Allsorts" and not the start of a great new
musical experience. Of course this may just be pie in the sky.
Rob
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:29:08 -0000
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: Sue Raney and Joanie Sommers
I played two songs to musica - Sue Raney's Who's Afraid? from
her LP Alive & in Love and Joanie Sommers Before and After
from Hullabaloo. The Sue Raney song was produced by Marshall
Lieb and arranged by Gene Page. I have more Sue Raney music
I could upload if anyone is interested, including her version
of the Margo Guryan song Sunday Mornin' and another great track
from Alive & in Love. She's a favorite of mine, just check out
how much range she has. Anyone know if anyone else did a version
of Who's Afraid? It says on the LP the song is from the movie
Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf?
:Patrick
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:15:51 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Re: The T.A.M.I. Show
Vlaovic B wrote:
> I have a video version of the T.A.M.I. Show that
> omits the Rolling Stones. I understand it was contractual.
> It's so extreme that when in the opening song Jan & Dean
> mention the Rolling stones, their voices are wiped so there's
> a blank space in the audio track.
Steve Harvey wrote:
> It might be wiped because they sing "the Rolling Stones from
> Liverpool".
That's funny!!!! Then they should have also wiped out "..
The representative of New York City is Lesley Gore , now,
she sure looks pretty...." Lesley wasn't from New York City
- she was from Tenafly, New Jersey!!!!!!!
Tony Leong
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 03:49:38 -0000
From: Bill Reed
Subject: Re: TNT and TAMI Shows
Phil Milstein wrote:
> [From Marshall Crenshaw's "Hollywood Rock:
> A Guide To Rocknroll In The Movies":]
> THE T.A.M.I. SHOW
> dir: Steve Binder; prod: William Sargent Jr., Lee Savin;
> studio: Screen Entertainment; 96 min., b/w (no video release)
> An event that deserves a book unto itself.
Although not quite a book's worth of coverage, here's only a
part of what David Ehrenstein and I had to say about "The
T.A.M.I Show" in our book "Rock On Film" (G.P. Putnam's Sons-1982):
"One for the time capsules! The greatest gathering of rock performers
ever assembled for one film [the later] 'Woodstock' and 'Monterey
Pop' withstanding."
"This 'Teenage Music International' awards presentation is a record
of a 1964 gathering at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium in
California, which showcases both British acts. . .and equally popular
American performers. . .. Filmed in 'Electronovision'---videotape
transferred to film stock---there is a case to be made for
dubbing 'The T.A.M.I. Show' a movie at all. It looks and acts just
like a television special, replete with moderne simplistic decor,
chiaroscuro lighting, and a troup of go-go dancers [first one to spot
Teri Garr wins] wildly frugging away on and around background
scaffolding a la TV's 'Shindig.'
Still, possibly for reasons of its very primativeness, 'The T.A.M.I.
Show' manages to get down on film an essential 'something'
that 'Monterey Pop' couldn't. For example, the assurance and
amusement in the eyes of Diana Roos in the face of her own 'arrival'
can be read easily because the camera isn't leaping wildly all over
the place. The evidence is obvious in 'The T.A.M.I. Show' that black
performers had finally taken the quantum leap from the last-gasp-of-
vaudeville circuits they'd been confined to for so long.
In the early sixties rock music had mostly been an excuse for having
a swell time, and this spirit comes across in 'The T.A.M.I. Show'---
especially in the great turns by James Brown and Smokey Robinson.
With The Rolling Stones, it's apparent that the notion of rock
as 'mere' music (and live performance as just a show) is about to
change drastically. The Stones at the time of T.A.M.I. were making
their first move on America, and their initial image was that of
harmless ruffians---an answer to the 'nice lads' aura emanating from
The Beatles. But in their sequence as Mick Jagger moves across
hundreds of (mostly female) fans that spread before him, there's an
intimation of quasi-messianic power to come."
Bill Reed
http://www.cllrdr.com
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:33:14 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Starsailor not done their homework!
An interview with Starsailor in my local paper this week.
They were asked why they didn't use more Phil Spector tracks
for their album. They said it just didn't work on all the songs
and that "Give Peace A Chance" was a great record but that sound
will not suit all the tracks on their album.
Oh yes, "Give Peace A chance", my personal favourite PS production :-)
Richard
http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:16:04 EDT
From: John Berg
Subject: Re: The Knack
For a scan of the colour sleeve of the first 1967 45 by
The Knack on Capitol, go to: http://raw-tcsd.com/Knack.FR.jpg
John Berg
PS Many thanks to those who have thus far helped me learn more
about this band, especially to Jeff and to Mike Dugan!
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