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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Private Stock label
From: Mikey
2. Re: Al Jardine
From: Phil Milstein
3. Re: "I Hurt On The Other Side"
From: Simon White
4. Re: Martin Scorcese's "Blues"
From: Tom Taber
5. The Cookies
From: Michael Edwards
6. Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"]
From: John Berg
7. Re: Connie and the Cones (and Darlene Woods & the Starlings)
From: Paul Balser
8. Re: Judy Sings Newman
From: Steve Harvey
9. Re: LULU Martin Scorcese's "Blues"
From: John Berg
10. Tim Gilbert 45
From: Matthew David
11. Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"]
From: TD Bell
12. Re: Richard Perry
From: Bob Rashkow
13. Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"]
From: Nick Archer
14. Mark II (and IV); northeast US label discographies
From: Country Paul
15. Re: Instrumental hits
From: Bob Rashkow
16. Re: Jim Fairs and the Cryan Shames
From: Bob Rashkow Blub1256ber@aol.com
17. Re: Martin Scorcese's "Blues"
From: Mik Rashkow masterswng@aol.com
18. Playboy/Earl-Jean/Ray Charles covers (?)
From: Bob Rashkow
19. Re: Newman Sings Newman
From: Mark Frumento
20. THAT Alan Gordon...
From: Alan Gordon
21. Peter Lacey at Ear Candy
From: Wayne Short
22. Re: "refusing to perform a chart topper"
From: Artie Wayne
23. Re: Judy Sings Newman
From: Eddy Smit
24. The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
From: Simon White
25. Re: Jim Fairs/Cryan Shames "LIVE" on Musica!
From: Martin Jensen
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:40:42 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Private Stock label
Mark T wrote:
> The rumor is that all of the master tapes were thrown out
> around 1982 when Larry Utal died. Don't know if its true,
> but, other than Frankie Valli stuff (he controls his masters),
> all releases seem to be from records. Can anyone confirm or
> deny this story?
Yes, that's what I heard as well. I know when Rhino tried to
get a master tape for "Making Our Dreams Come True", Bill
Inglot was told that there were NO tapes of any kind. He had
to use a clean LP.
Mikey
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:14:05 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Al Jardine
NBC-TV site, via Country Paul:
> Jardine began touring in 1998 as "Beach Boys Family and Friends".
> He says he formed the band after Mike Love refused to tour with him.
> Jardine owns a quarter of the corporation formed to hold the Beach
> Boys trademark, but he did not have the company's permission to use
> the band name.
Gotta "love" Mike.
Sarcastically,
--Phil M.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:20:46 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: "I Hurt On The Other Side"
Don Charles wrote -
> but a cover version by Jerry Cook on Capitol Records credits
> the song to JJ Jackson and Sidney Barnes.
Sidney was here in the UK for a tour this year and did this very song!
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Martin Scorcese's "Blues"
TD wrote:
> ...and a better idea of how Lulu is out of her element
> when she tackles "Drown In My Own Tears".
And here I am, having seen the same show last night,
thinking how wonderful I thought she was!
Tom Taber
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:47:33 -0000
From: Michael Edwards
Subject: The Cookies
John Clemente's recent message referring to the Cookies
prompted me to check amazon.co.uk to see if their CD is
still available. Even though it's been out nearly 10 years,
amazon.co.uk are selling copies of "The Complete Cookies"
for £8.99. This has to be a staple in any Spectropopper's
collection.
It contains 16 tracks showcasing their a-sides, b-sides and
demo recordings. It even includes the both sides of each of
Earl Jean's solo recordings, "I'm Into Something Good" and
"Randy".
Looking at the track list, half the songs were picked up by
British Invasion artists (including the Beatles and Herman's
Hermits). For as few a number of sides as the group recorded
under their own name, the song and music quality is phenomenal.
And what happened to "Randy"? Surely as good as anything that
came out of the Brill Building and yet you don't hear it on
radio or see it in discussion groups.
Those wishing to check out the track listing might want to go to:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000000PRL/qid=65648689/sr==1-1/ref==sr_1_0_1/202-3291861-3357450
Mike
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:11:46 EDT
From: John Berg
Subject: Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"]
To T.D. Bell,
For years supposed experts (i.e. music journalists) have
unquestionally circulated the myth that Jimmy Page played
lead on Them's Baby Please Don't Go. I've been involved in
several projects putting Them-related material on CD, and
co-wrote several articles on the band. That afforded me
opportunity to chat with several band members, including
bass player Alan Henderson who co-founded the band with
guitarist Billy Harrison and drummer Ronnie Millings, before
Van Morrison joined. To a man they say that the riff was
played by Harrison, with Page on hand at that session merely
to play rhythm behind Billy for "depth" (that was the producer's
idea.) The same controversy has gone around and around about
Page playing on early Kinks hits, and likewise in that case the
actual band members say that Dave Davies played the lead, not
Page. Look, Jimmy Page is a great musician -- witness the body
of work he created with Led Zeppelin -- but I will believe the
members of these bands before I believe him or the journalists
who repeat myths ad infinitum.
John Berg
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:33:52 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
From: Paul Balser
Subject: Re: Connie and the Cones (and Darlene Woods & the Starlings)
Ian Slater:
> The Roulette tracks appeared on the CD compilations "Poodle
> Skirts & Pony Tails - Lost Groups" on the "Babe" label.
Where can we find the CD in question ; Poodle Skirts & Pony Tails.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Judy Sings Newman
Alan Gordon:
> Kinda changes it from it's "Sarcastic" dark
> commentary, to a
> saccharin pop tune... and that's not quite what
> Randy has ever
> been about.
Check out my early 80s piece in Goldmine (if you can
find it) on Randy Newman's early days. Randy's song
will always take on a different meaning or feel when
he sings it as opposed to other artists. "Short
People" really took this to the mat on the middle-eight
where the Eagles are "all men are brothers" and Randy
replies, "It's a wonderful world". Just the way he sings
it is full of bile. His "Debutantes' Ball" gets a new
meaning when sung by the Harper's Bizarre compared to
Randy's outsider observation.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:19:44 EDT
From: John Berg
Subject: Re: LULU Martin Scorcese's "Blues"
I agree that LULU was right in her element. She is a gritty
lass from Glasgow, raised on R&B, and I was thrilled to see
her doing this kind of music on the PBS show -- I liked her
pop stuff too, but that was by and large what managers and
producers steered her into, not what she grew up on. Same
deal with Tom Jones and many others, who saw "showbiz" and
being "entertainers" as the only way to make a lasting career.
John Berg
"Can bluemen sing the whites?"
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:49:38 EDT
From: Matthew David
Subject: Tim Gilbert 45
JJ wrote:
> Tim Gilbert, the main songwriter, also released a solo 45
> "Early October"/"If We Stick Together" (UNI 55045) 1967-
Clark Besch:
> A great song! Love this (If We Stick Together) song that did
> chart on Denver's KIMN. Kinda "Dylan takes 'Eve of Destruction'
> and puts opposing twist on it"????
Don't suppose anyone would be willing to play either side to
musica? Have wanted to hear it for a long time but have never
come across a copy.
Thanks,
Matthew David
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:57:17 -0400
From: TD Bell
Subject: Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"]
Thank you John Berg. I had supposed that Billy Harrison was
playing lead on "Baby Please Don't Go" until I saw that VH-1
program about Zep. I wouldn't believe anything Jimmy Page says,
which is why I prefaced my anecdote by explaining that program
on VH-1 would lead someone to believe that Jimmy Page was the
session man playing the riff from "Baby Please Don't Go". I
saw a show about Ahmet Ertegun looking up musicians to re-record
some songs from the rockabilly era. When Ahmet met with Page and
Robert Plant, Ahmet suggested that they do "My Bucket's Got a Hole
In It", and Plant said, "Great! Nobody's done that since Sonny
Burgess!" and Ahmet was agreeing with the fellas, and I was
watching the tube saying "Yeah, Nobody except Ricky Nelson!"
Futhermore, I never bought anything by Led Zep. What do I want
with Page and the shrieking Plant when I had solid senders like
Howlin' Wolf backed by Hubert Sumlin, Willie Johnson, and Buddy
Guy? Thank you very much for the reply, John. Sincerely,
TD Bell
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:11:28 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: Richard Perry
Artie Wayne:
> Richard and I became friends in the mid-sixties when we were
> neighbors at 1650 B'way. He was producing the "God Bless Tiny
> Tim" album and recorded one of my songs "Daddy, Daddy What Is
> Heaven Like?". His first gold album and mine.
"Daddy, Daddy, What Is Heaven Like?" --a TERRIFIC song, Artie.
Had no idea you wrote it. Speaking of all the great penners
on GOD BLESS TINY TIM: anybody know what happened to Gordon
Alexander ("Strawberry Tea")? I managed to find a pristine
copy of his one Columbia LP circa 1968-69 about 13 or 14 years
ago and like it much, but none of the material on there even
approaches "Strawberry Tea."
Bobster
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:37:12 -0500
From: Nick Archer
Subject: Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"]
But Jimmy Page did play the guitar solo on "It's Not Unusual",
right?
Nick Archer
Check out Nashville's classic SM95 on the web at
http://www.live365.com/stations/nikarcher
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:02:47 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Mark II (and IV); northeast US label discographies
Wye - not. I miscredited a record in my last post, citing the
Mark IV as doing "Night Theme." The Mark II did "Night Theme"
on Wye Records (Wye 5-1001). Comp: Wayne Cogswell-Ray Peterson
(yes, THAT Ray Peterson). There was also a follow-up: 5-1004,
Blue Fantasy/And A Robin Cried, which I didn't know existed
until I just discovered a Wye discography at
http://paisleyhaze.com/wye.htm - The original was early '60s,
maybe 1961 or '62; the re-issue, indeed on Roulette (R-4784),
came out in 1968.
Also on Wye: 5-1010 Morton Downey Jr. & The Terrytones, Three
Steps to The Phone/I Beg Your Pardon. Yes, THAT Morton Downey,
who I think was on the radio in Rhode Island as well as in
Connecticut as a straight-ahead DJ before becoming a pioneer
of radical-right confrontational radio. The label at at least
13 releases (I've never heard any of the others); 1001-1012
and 1015.
The Mark IV, by the way, was on Mercury, and had an obnoxious
1950's novelty hit called "I've Got A Wife" ("I've got a wife
at home....I've got a wife, she's the apple of my life, and
I wish she would leave me alone").
By the way, http://paisleyhaze.com , although mainly a record
seller, has a highly selective but fascinating group of
discographies of northeast US indie labels; scroll down and
click on "discographies." Some labels listed aren't posted yet -
like Apt, Audicon (which started as Acousticon), Golden Crest,
Joy, Sue or Candlelight (home to the killer two-sided rockabilly
by Clyde Stacy, "So Young"/"Hoy Hoy," the A-side being a totally
lascivious delight with a female voice doing the closest thing to
verbal sex you could get away with in the late 50's). But there
are some cool ones I'd almost completely forgotten:
- Aamco (not the transmission), whose hit was Andy Rose's "Just
Young" (ALS-100). Rose later did "Hey Scooter" on Golden Crest,
which was the theme song of B. Mitchell Reed on NYC rocker WMCA
expanded into a neat track with girl-group backing
- Addison, which had Jamie Coe's early (small) hit, "Summertime
Symphony" (melody stolen from Chuck Berry's "Sweet Little 16");
he later had "How High Is High" on ABC
- Cheer, with the Five Discs' "Never Let You Go" (featuring one
of the most outrageous doo-wop basses) plus two 45s by Cathy
Carroll, 1004 "Deep in a Young Boy's Heart"/"Every Leaf That
Falls" and 1005 "I'll be Hurt"/"There Must Be a Way"
- Clock, aside from their huge smash, 1009, Dave 'Baby' Cortez,
"The Happy Organ"/"Love Me as I Love You," they also released
1029, Bruce Morrow, "Tea With The Shakes"/no flip listed. Got
to be Cousin Brucie....
- Dale, whose first release, "After School" by Randy Starr (#100),
was their only hit. Starr, a dentist (I don't know why I know
this, but it's true), had three more releases; all stiffed.
- DCP, owned by Don Costa, started with a girl-group soul 45:
1001, Crampton Sisters, "I Didn't Know What Time It Was"/"I Cried
When I Found You Gone" (1963), and had the biggest hits of Little
Anthony and the Imperials second coming: 1104, "I'm on The Outside
(Looking In)"/"Please Go" and 1119, "Goin'Out of My Head"/"Make It
Easy on Yourself"
- Hudson, with a female-led group, the Iridescents, 8102, "Three
Coins in The Fountain" (delightfully sour doo-wop version)/
"Strong Love"
- Minuteman, from Boston, featuring Chip Taylor & Al Gorgoni as
Just Us with the original release (#203) of "You Can't Grow Peaches
on a Cherry Tree"/"I Can Save You" and FOUR 45's by the Improper
Bostonians (check 'em out for yourselves)
- Music Makers, whose #110, The Tokens' "Arlene," I've never
heard. Two of the best NYC doo-wop groups were on this label:
the Imaginations ("Hey You," 108) and the Celebrities ("I Want
You," 101), as well as a, instrumental, a local-hit version of
"The Song Of The Nairobi Trio" by The Fortune Tellers (#109).
The label was an offshoot of a commercial jingle studio.
- Palette, which released the instrumental hit, "Manhattan
Spiritual," by Reg Owen (PZ-5005) - and 100 other releases.
- Seg-Way, with the Echoes' "Baby Blue"/"Boomerang" (103) and
the follow-up, "Sad Eyes"/"IT's Raining" (the A-side notable
for the background vocals being sung in "meusurry," the
"language" invented by Murray The K.
- Triodex - more Cathy Carroll 45's, plus the spoken weeper
with the incredible chorus, James MacArthur's "The In-Between
Years" (#112).
There are lots more; check labels like Dwain, Enrica, Hanover,
Twirl and more for some names you probably know from this group
on labels you'd never expect them.
Country Paul
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:26:20 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: Instrumental hits
Phil (M), you might start with
Last Date - Floyd Cramer
Stranger on the Shore- Mr. Acker Bilk
Washington Square- Village Stompers
Out Of Limits- Marketts
Blue's Theme - Davie Allan/Arrows
Soulful Strut - Young-Holt Unlimited
OK S'poppers chime in! ! ! ! !
Bobster
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:32:48 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow Blub1256ber@aol.com
Subject: Re: Jim Fairs and the Cryan Shames
Really dig "Ben Franklin's Almanac" off Album #1--truly
groovy psyke-pop! ! !
Bobster
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:42:47 EDT
From: Mik Rashkow masterswng@aol.com
Subject: Re: Martin Scorcese's "Blues"
TD wrote:
>...and a better idea of how Lulu is out of her element
>when she tackles "Drown In My Own Tears".
Tom Taber:
> And here I am, having seen the same show last night,
> thinking how wonderful I thought she was!
....and that's what makes horse racing. By the way, in this
white Jew's opinion, Drown In My Own Tears is one of the great
modern blues songs. I believe it was written by the under-
appreciated Henry Glover.
This link will bring you to a bio which is amazing in scope
and accomplishment: http://www.ualr.edu/~kuar/henryglover.html
...which bring us back to horse racing. Back in the late 60s,
early 70s I used to see Henry at the old Philadelphia racetrack,
Liberty Bell Park--he seemed to like the ponies, Standardbred
variety.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:03:13 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Playboy/Earl-Jean/Ray Charles covers (?)
That's what happens when I look at well over 90 S'pop postings
in one sitting. I end up sending 3 posts in one evening.
Mike Edwards, I absolutely agree with you about Earl-Jean's
"Randy". Her voice is wonderfully sensual and the tune itself
is great. Should've definitely charted.
I seem to recall that Playboy Records, in spite of Hugh Hedonist
--whoops, I mean Hefner--being the "figurehead", wasn't even
based in Chicago. I could be wrong about this, but weren't
they producing out of NYC and weren't they picking up some
Canadian artists that major labels were shunning (Hamilton Joe
Frank et al and I think Charlie Kulis was too?). Didn't Hef
just rake in the bucks and not really have much to do with the
pop sounds emanating from the label?
Got another question: Ray Charles' "Drown in My Own Tears" was
mentioned as performed by Lulu on a TV special. Was this song
also covered by Spencer Davis on "Heavies"? Or is theirs a
different blues song? With a head full of 6Ts trivia and an
itching to play "Bradley's Barn" which I just purchased yesterday
along with The Travel Agency on Viva (yahhhhh! Finally nabbed it!!!)
Bobster
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:05:05 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Newman Sings Newman
Alan Gordon wrote:
> Kinda changes it from it's "Sarcastic" dark commentary, to a
> saccharin pop tune... and that's not quite what Randy has ever
> been about.
Just saw Randy live a little over a week ago and nothing's changed.
In fact the sarcasm is more pronounced than ever, I think. Though
it's very hard to tell when he's in character or when he's being
himself.
Those of you who have seen him in the past years know that he does
his song "I Want You to Hurt Like I Do" as if it were a follow up
to "We Are the World". The routine is very funny but I found myself
wanting to yell out... "everybody stop laughing and listen to this
song. It's one of the saddest songs ever written".
Mr Newman is a true modern master even if we don't always realize it.
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:19:05 -0700
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: THAT Alan Gordon...
We interrupt our regularly scheduled fun-fest for a brief
announcement:
When I first joined this Fun-house of frivolity-filled full-tilt
groove-dom... I received a buncha emails asking if I was "that"
Al Gordon..." Now, my Mom might argue the point... she always
considered me THE Alan Gordon of choice. And I'm sure I still
have a few fans in comicdom who think of me as the pinnacle of
AlanGordonHood (http://www.comicon.com/gordon/gordon.htm)...
but I digress...
I'm sure there's not a single soul in here who hasn't danced
his tuchus off, lifted a few brews, sipped a sweet glass of
Zinfandel, danced closely with a loved/sexed-up one, or sniffed
-back a sentimental tear to "Happy Together." Yep... that is the
Alan Gordon I speak of. Unfortunate as it may be for my bank account,
but not for my girlfriend... I am not THAT Alan Gordon.
But now with the stage set, the lights dimmed, and Mr. Volman's
dreamy voice echoing in the shadowy recesses of the high school
gymnasium... For your profuse mind-staggering amusement, I have
the distinct pleasure of introducing you to the newest Alan Gordon
in our club... THAT Alan Gordon.
Alan... take a bow... (and say something cool...)
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 04:41:50 -0000
From: Wayne Short
Subject: Peter Lacey at Ear Candy
There's an article up at the new October Ear Candy magazine
in praise of the singer/songwriter Peter Lacey. I first read
this in paper form in a Beach Boys fanzine "Open Sky" and it
prompted me to investigate this guy's neat music. Soft/Sunshine
/Psyche/Harmony pop, call it what you will his three albums
have it all. Cool indeed.
http://earcandy_mag.tripod.com/lacey-importance.htm
best
Wayne Short
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:34:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: "refusing to perform a chart topper"
Richard........Tom.......How ya' doin'? I know exactly how you
guys feel. While pushing songs at Warner Bros. Music I had a
meeting with Eugene Record, producer and lead singer for the
Chi-Lites. I arranged to play him some songs between shows at
the Apollo theater......giving me a chance to catch their show.
"Have you Seen Her?" had just hit number 1 and I was excited to
hear them sing it live.I waited .......and waited.......but they
never did the song!
Stunned and disappointed I went backstage for my meeting. I played
them the songs I brought......but I could'nt leave without saying
how I felt. In a half humorous tirade I made the group feel guilty
enough to perform my favorite song in their dressing room......which
I'll never forget.
regards, Artie Wayne
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:22:08 +0200
From: Eddy Smit
Subject: Re: Judy Sings Newman
Someone:
> "Does anybody out there knows who recorded the first version
> of Randy Newman's "I Think It's Going To Rain Today"?"
I believe I already mentioned that the original version is by
Eric Burdon & the Animals on the Eric is Here album, which also
includes the first released version of Mama Told Me Not To Come.
Eddy
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:27:36 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
This Sunday, 12th October 2003, on SOUL 24-7
AT 2pm - 4pm GMT http://www.soul24-7.com/index.htm
The METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW.
2 solid hours of 60s, 70s but mainly Northern, Soul.
This week - after a short break- the return of
The Utterly Marvellous Simon White.
Rilleh !
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:55:36 -0000
From: Martin Jensen
Subject: Re: Jim Fairs/Cryan Shames "LIVE" on Musica!
Hi Clark
Thanks for all the information, and the clip with 'the Warm'.
It really illustrated how great harmony singers those guys were
- NOT an easy one to pull off on stage!
In fact, their harmonies are incredible on both the first albums
(and I'm sure they're just as good on 'Synthesis'.) I LOVE the
opening on 'July', and the acapella fade on the album version of
'I Was Lonely When' just blows my mind each time I hear it.
With regards
Martin, Denmark
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