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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Foreign language versions
From: Eddy
2. Re: The Ronstadt law
From: Mike
3. Re: Foreign language versions
From: Frank
4. Re: That Alan Gordon's song catalogue
From: Andres
5. Timi Yuro
From: Tim L.
6. Lulu / Barbara English
From: Mick Patrick
7. Re: Sam Chalpin......age 65 / Ed Chalpin
From: James Botticelli
8. Re: Speaking of Lulu
From: gblacagroups
9. Re: Peter Lacey
From: Chris Allen
10. Re: Words & Music
From: Artie Wayne
11. Re: Jack Nitzsche
From: Artie Wayne
12. Re: Simon & Garfunkle
From: Bill George
13. Re: The Ronstadt law
From: Shawn Baldwin
14. Re: Foreign language versions
From: Steve Harvey
15. Re: Foreign language versions
From: Phil Milstein
16. Pantomime Dames
From: Steve Harvey
17. Re: Dee Dee Warwick
From: Mike
18. Is "Silence" golden?
From: David A. Young
19. Id and Nancy
From: David A. Young
20. "I Think It's Gonna Rain"
From: Hugo M.
21. Re: Sam Chalpin......age 65 / Ed Chalpin
From: Mike Rashkow
22. Re: Nitzsche / Dorsey Burnette
From: Martin Roberts
23. Re: Foreign language versions
From: Frank
24. Re: "Beatles"
From: That Alan Gordon
25. Re: Duh!
From: Mike Rashkow
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:53:30 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Foreign language versions
Billy G. Spradlin wrote:
> Someone at Ace or Castle should compile a CD of foreign language
> hits.
Phil Milstein:
> Funny you should mention that -- I'm working on just such a collection
> right now. Not for commercial release, but for my own amusement. I'm
> just about finished with the track selections, but am still looking for
> the Stones' Italian version of "As Tears Go By," entitled "Con Le Mie
> Lacrime." Whoever can lead me to that track will certainly qualify for
> my "favors owed" list!
Phil,
The Stones' "Con le mie lacrime" is available on the Black Box bootleg,
but only on the (re-issued) 4-cd version, not on the original 3-cd copy.
I do have a copy...And while I'm here... let's not forget the Beatles'
"Sie Liebt Dich" / "Komm gibt mir deine Hand."
Eddy
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:00:08 +0100
From: Mike
Subject: Re: The Ronstadt law
Bill George wrote:
> At least one exception: (Linda Ronstadt's version of) "You're No
> Good" is better than the original to my ears.
James Botticelli replied:
> Once you hear Dee Dee Warwick do it you'll swear off Linda.
Hi,
Have none of you ever heard of Betty Everett, alas now dead. Betty
made the original record and it is still the best. Listen carefully
and feel the ongoing sadness, pain and despair and no shouting.
Mike
(Moderator's Note: The best rendition of "You're No Good" is a matter
of opinion. However, although Betty Everett had the hit version, it
is a fact that the *original* was recorded by Dee Dee Warwick. We must
forgive Mike his error.)
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:22:54 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: Foreign language versions
Phil Milstein:
> Funny you should mention that -- I'm working on just such a collection
> right now. Not for commercial release, but for my own amusement. I'm
> just about finished with the track selections, but am still looking for
> the Stones' Italian version of "As Tears Go By," entitled "Con Le Mie
> Lacrime." Whoever can lead me to that track will certainly qualify for
> my "favors owed" list!
Haven't got this one but I have a whole LP of major Motown acts singing
in Italian.
Frank
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:34:10 +0400
From: Andres
Subject: Re: That Alan Gordon's song catalogue
That Alan Gordon;
> Clark asked if I could list my songs with artists? I would have to
> consult Karl Baker, he knows more than I do!!! To be perfectly candid
> with you, I am learning here at S`POP of covers I never knew about
> myself. So thank you all for telling me.
Yes, please! We need this list! And if you could say a couple of words
about 1976 song 'The Beatles' (how the idea came, who was in the studio,
was it a hit).
Thank you very much,
Andres
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:36:08 -0000
From: Tim L.
Subject: Timi Yuro
Can anyone help me with some background to "It'll never be over for
me" - writer, producer, other background? I see several other
artists released the song - whose version came first, and did any of
them have chart success? Thanks,
TIM L
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:06:37 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Lulu / Barbara English
Scott Swanson:
> Does anyone out there have a copy of her rare 1965 B-side
> "Stop Foolin' Around"? And if so......could you please,
> please, PLEASE post it to musica? :)
Phil Chapman:
> Yes, it's the flip of the equally rare "Tell Me Like It Is" :-)
> Hear it in musica while you can.
Yes, yes, very nice, but not as good as the even rarer :-)
original American version by the one and only Barbara English,
released on Reprise 0349. It too is now playing in musica:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Take a listen and identify those backing girls.
The A-side - "Small Town Girl (With Big Town Dreams)", as
covered in the UK by Dusty Springfield - was even better.
Barbara was at the S'pop Shindig in New York, looking very
glamorous at the bar. We chatted, I swooned. I've placed a pic
of the lovely lady from the event in the S'pop photo section.
She was a fixture on the Brill Building scene, cutting demos
(and answering the phone) at Aaron Schroeder Music. I wonder
if Artie Wayne or Rashkovsky knew her?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:03:19 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Sam Chalpin......age 65 / Ed Chalpin
Scott Charbonneau wrote:
> (Ed Chalpin) ... the man responsible for all those collections of
> pre-fame (Jimi Hendrix) jams that have been flooding the marketplace
> ever since.
I've been searching for the focus of all evil in the world for some
time now. I do believe you've helped me stumble onto a clue or two!!
Thanks.
--
James Botticelli
"Were The Words You Said The
Words I Thought I Heard?"
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:30:25 -0000
From: gblacagroups
Subject: Re: Speaking of Lulu
When I went to London, England, in the 1980s, I saw Lulu as the star
of "Peter Pan."
I was lucky to get backstage and meet her as well.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:24:04 -0400
From: Chris Allen
Subject: Re: Peter Lacey
Previously;
> The only link I can find for Peter Lacey is his record company site
> which has two mp3's you scroll down to. I did hear more of Lacey's
> music when David Ponak's "Liquid Room" was featured in these hallowed
> pages.
There are 4 samples on Peter Lacey's own homepage here:
http://peterlacey.homestead.com/SongSamples.html
Enjoy.
Chris
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 06:47:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Words & Music
Bill George:
> No, they should both be credited. If the song was originally
> written WITH lyrics, it necessarily shaped the music as well,
> so both composer and lyricist created the whole. However, if
> a song is written as an instrumental, and someone adds words
> later, they should only be credited when the lyrics are used;
> they didn't play a part in the creation of the original piece.
> Does that make sense?
Bill......How ya' doin'? You're absolutely correct. All the
publishing companies I've worked with have used that formula.
regards, Artie Wayne
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:03:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche
Martin.............How ya' Doin'? I just had a chance to go through
The Jack Nitzsche website...........you did an excellent job!! As I
was going over the discography I noticed that Jack arranged
"Invisible Chains" by Dorsey Burnette, which I wrote with Ben Raleigh.
I haven't heard it in years.........could you post it to Musica?
Thanks and regards, Artie Wayne
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:23:03 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Simon & Garfunkle
Country Paul;
> "Simon belted out "Bridge Over Troubled Water"
??? That has to be a mistake. Why wouldn't Art be singing that? Great
to hear the Everly Brothers were on stage.
Sorry to have missed Stu Phillips' in-store appearance. I had an
appointment that started late and ended later. I will have to pick up
the book though. I'm glad he had a good crowd show up!
-Bill
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:49:46 -0500
From: Shawn Baldwin
Subject: Re: The Ronstadt law
Bill George wrote:
> At least one exception: (Linda Ronstadt's version of) "You're No
> Good" is better than the original to my ears.
James Botticelli:
> Once you hear Dee Dee Warwick do it you'll swear off Linda.
Yeah, DeeDee, Cissy Houston and Dionne really cook on that one!
Shawn
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:35:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Foreign language versions
How about including "You Don't Have To Say You Love Me" by Dusty and
"Beyond The Sea" by Darin, both tunes translated into the foreign
tongue, English!
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:44:31 -0400
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Foreign language versions
Eddy wrote:
> And while I'm here... let's not forget the Beatles' "Sie Liebt
> Dich" / "Komm gibt mir deine Hand."
Both are on there.
Frank wrote:
> Haven't got this one but I have a whole LP of major Motown acts
> singing in Italian.
So THAT explains why there are so many Motown-in-Italian versions!
A number of these will be included as well.
Thanks for the tips,
--Phil M.
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Pantomime Dames
gblacagroups wrote:
> When I went to London, England, in the 1980s, I saw Lulu as the star
> of "Peter Pan." I was lucky to get backstage and meet her as well.
Caught Bowie in the same role once.
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:55:31 +0100
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Dee Dee Warwick
Bill George wrote:
> At least one exception: (Linda Ronstadt's version of) "You're No
> Good" is better than the original to my ears.
James Botticelli replied:
> Once you hear Dee Dee Warwick do it you'll swear off Linda.
Me:
> Have none of you ever heard of Betty Everett, alas now dead. Betty
> made the original record and it is still the best. Listen carefully
> and feel the ongoing sadness, pain and despair and no shouting.
A Spectropop Moderator:
> The best rendition of "You're No Good" is a matter of opinion.
> However, although Betty Everett had the hit version, it is a fact
> that the *original* was recorded by Dee Dee Warwick. We must forgive
> Mike his error.
Hi,
I have some records of Dee Dee Warwick and her sister and aunt Cissy
Houston - all great but don't know this record must try to find it. I
stand corrected does anybody know a web site for Dee Dee?
Mike
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:59:38 -0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: Is "Silence" golden?
Greetings, earthlings,
It's been 1.5 months since the single release of Starsailor's Phil
Spector-produced "Silence Is Easy." A British listmember was kind
enough to let us know at that time that it had debuted at number
eight on the UK charts. What happened to it after that, please?
David
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:00:08 -0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: Id and Nancy
It's probably merely a coincidence having nothing to do with the
"Nancy Sinatra and Suzy Jane Hokum are one" rumor discussed here
recently, but I did notice when listening to Nancy's hit "In Our
Time" a couple of days ago that it contains a lyrical reference
to "the wizard of id."
David
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:34:01 -0000
From: Hugo M.
Subject: "I Think It's Gonna Rain"
Browsing through some auction listings in one o' them magazines
and I saw a version of this song recorded by THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE
on an Abnak 45 (#149). Since it's been under discussion lately,
I just thought I'd mention...
Oom-mow...
Hugo M.
http://free.hostdepartment.com/P/PME
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:33:30 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Sam Chalpin......age 65 / Ed Chalpin
Scott Charbonneau wrote:
> (Ed Chalpin) ... the man responsible for all those collections of
> pre-fame (Jimi Hendrix) jams that have been flooding the marketplace
> ever since.
Jimmy Botticelli:
> I've been searching for the focus of all evil in the world for some
> time now. I do believe you've helped me stumble onto a clue or two!!
> Thanks.
Wait a little while. I will tell you about Ed Chalpin. Dirtbag.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:23:59 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: Nitzsche / Dorsey Burnette
Artie asked:
> Martin.............How ya' Doin'? I just had a chance to go through
> The Jack Nitzsche website...........you did an excellent job!! As I
> was going over the discography I noticed that Jack arranged
> "Invisible Chains" by Dorsey Burnette, which I wrote with Ben Raleigh.
> I haven't heard it in years.........could you post it to Musica?
Hello Artie,
Thanks for asking, bit stiff in the morning, don't run up the stairs
anymore, glasses for reading... thanks for asking :-) How are you doing?!
Thanks for your kind words on the site. Remiss of me not to notice your
writing credit on what is a blinding track. Normally I'd save it for
Jack Nitzsche's Record of the Week but as it's you...the track is now
playing at musica: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Best,
Martin
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:19:19 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: Foreign language versions
Steve Harvey:
> How about including "You Don't Have To Say You Love Me" by Dusty and
> "Beyond The Sea" by Darin, both tunes translated into the foreign
> tongue, English!
Those are adaptations of foreign songs by different artists. There
are hundreds of those. What was meant (I think) was original artists
singing not in their native tongues. Like the Beatles in German,
Stevie Wonder in Italian, Sonny and Cher in French... Those are rarer.
If you're looking for foreign language covers by local artists, I
could list a few hundreds in French only since most of the big US and
British hits of the 6Os were covered by French singers. And as far as
I know, the same goes for Germany, Spain and Italy.
Frank
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:42:27 -0700 (MST)
From: That Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: "Beatles"
Andres asked about a song I wrote, "Beatles". It was on the flip side
of a single on RCA called "Step Up To The Mike" by The Extragordonary
Band. The record was never a hit. The inspiration of course was my
feeling of love for the Fab 4 and what tey have meant to me and the
whole world.
Best That alan
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:24:40 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Duh!
> We must forgive Mike his error.
Thank God another Mike makes faux pas.
Di da,
Rashkovsky
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