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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Pet Sounds
From: Steve Harvey
2. Covers; volume; Seasons' B's; more
From: Country Paul
3. Austin Roberts
From: Mark
4. Re: Lollipops
From: Martin Jensen
5. Re: The Jerome Brothers
From: Martin Roberts
6. Re: Jake Holmes
From: Dave Heasman
7. Out Of His Head - The Book (comments)
From: Paul Urbahns
8. Re: Jack Nitzsche
From: Martin Roberts
9. Re: Playboy
From: Peter Lerner
10. Re: This is My Prayer
From: Peter Lerner
11. Austin Roberts
From: Norman
12. Re: The Alley Cats / Bobby Sheen
From: Charles Sheen
13. Hardly-Worthit
From: Phil Milstein
14. New issue of Garage & Beat!
From: Kim Cooper
15. Tina's Everything Under The Sun
From: monophonius
16. Re: Foreign language versions
From: Jerry Lintelf
17. Re: Italian language versions
From: Jerry Lintelf
18. Re: Sending My Good Thoughts To You
From: Artie Wayne
19. Re: Jerome Brothers / Chants / Peter Antell
From: Mick Patrick
20. Re: R B Greaves / Sonny Childe
From: Richard Williams
21. Breakaways
From: Richard Havers
22. Arthur Love
From: Phil Milstein
23. Re: Steve & Bill Jerome
From: That Alan Gordon
24. Re: Jack Nitzsche
From: Mick Patrick
25. Re: Steve & Bill Jerome
From: Artie Wayne
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Pet Sounds
Watson Macblue:
> "Strandjungs" is German for Beach Boys; Petula Clark is French for
> "Home Counties Dominatrix" - ("the man's Graaahhhhhss" - > aaaargh).
> Pet Sounds, folks... I'm getting a headache ...
There were several Beach Boy tunes recorded in French by Petula Clark.
I remember the writer's credits because they would say Wilson-Usher
- then two French names. Always loved No Go Showboat. Anybody
collecting these things onto one CD?
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:51:31 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Covers; volume; Seasons' B's; more
Mike Edwards:
> ..."You're No Good" by Liverpool's Swinging Blue Jeans...was
> one of the five best examples of a UK cover being better than
> the original US version. The others are:
> Dave Clark 5 – "Over And Over" (Bobby Day)
> Dave Clark 5 – "Do You Love Me" (Contours)
> Searchers – "Love Potion No. 9" (Clovers)
> Beatles – "Rock And Roll Music" (Chuck Berry)
Mike, you are a good friend, but I must respectfully disagree; while
noting the quality of the last four covers, I find none of these
superior to the originals. (I've never heard the S. B. Jeans' "You're
No Good," so I can't comment there.) I could go into specific reasons,
but the blanket comment is that the originals are rock and roll and
the covers miss the "roll" - e.g., Bobby Day and Chuck Berry have a
swingin' groove that the covers lack, although I acknowledge the
Beatles come close. (They still miss Johnny Johnson's amazing piano,
though.) As Andrew Hickey noted, perhaps what one heard first define
one's taste. I also second David Coyle's comments, but would add that
when the DC5 did originals, they were superb. ("Bits and Pieces,"
"Anyway You Want It" and "Glad All Over" roared with the best of 'em -
no news to anyone here, of course.)
While I usually like covers less than originals, there are occasionally
those which eclipse them, IMO. I offer two that do it for me:
Chordettes, "Lollipop" (covering a not-ready-for-prime-time duo)
Diamonds, satirically covering "Little Darlin'" (Gladiolas, featuring a
younger Maurice Williams who found his groove later on "Stay") ...and a
tie score for the Stones and the Valentinos' original of "It's All Over
Now" - different feelings, equally great IMO. Anyone else want to throw
some fuel on this fire?
Paul Underwood:
> [R]eading Mr Patrick's liner notes to the very fine "Phil's Spectre"
> collection, I learn that Freddie Scott did the original demo of "Love
> Her." Now that song was two years old by the time the Walker Brothers
> did it and the idea of Freddie Scott doing a demo for the Everly
> Brothers (who recorded it in 1963) is a bit strange. It would be nice
> if we could hear this demo on Musica, especially if it played a role
> in the Walker Brothers' version. To me, this was a defining moment
> when Scott Walker's voice revealed itself in all its glory.
I can hear Freddie Scott doing it in my head; could his version please
be played to musica? I'd always thought the original version was by the
Everly Brothers, and I much prefer theirs. (Will my UK friends forgive
me?)
Mary S:
> ...I have no idea why the volume is always cranked up so high at all
> concerts, even ones of gentle pop music....It actually is painful to
> the ears!!
Karl Baker:
> The volume is necessary to drown out all of the jackasses who -
> despite having shelled out mucho bucks to get in to the show - insist
> upon singing along and/or whooping at the top of their lungs. Guess
> that's why I haven't been to a concert in a large venue for a very
> long time.
...not to mention standing up directly in front of you and "gassing"
you throughout the show, and yelling out the artist's name as if (1)
s/he didn't know it (2) s/he could hear it and (3) s/he cared. I can't
help with that stuff, but high-quality acoustic earplugs are de rigeur;
they cut the volume, but not the fidelity. I don't know where to get
the best musician-quality ones, but in the NE US Flents brand is
carried in most drug stores, and they're okay.
Billy Spradlin:
> [The Four Seasons'] "No Surfin Today" is a great song though! - the
> group was clearly making fun of the Beach Boys and all the teenage
> tragedy/death hits ("Tell Laura I Love Her", "Last Kiss") that were hot
> in the early 60's. Its another one of those great Seasons B-sides that
> could have easily been pulled as a A-side and charted.
...such as "Connie-O," my favorite Seasons "B," and "Marlena," my runner-
up.
Short takes:
Bob Wallis, I tried to play your radio station, but came up with an
"error on page." Anyone else have the same problem - or have success?
And Artie Wayne, my condolences on the passing of your mother. I've been
there, too. We never forget, but we manage to go on. And that's a lovely
song: http://www.geocities.com/artie_wayne/sending.html . Know that she
obviously did a good job raising you. May she find peace.
Still two digests behind,
Country Paul
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:44:31 -0000
From: Mark
Subject: Austin Roberts
A friend of mine tried to do a CD comp of his material a few years
back but got turned down. One of the reasons was MCA's inability
to find paperwork on the 2 charting singles by Arkade. Austin really
was like another Ron Dante in that he had a ton of tunes out under all
of these made up group names. Just off the top of my head, Arkade on
ABC/Dunhill, The Tricks, Horizon on Jubilee, Georgy on Uni, River
Deep, a single on Roulette which I can't remember the group name.
Another guy in the same boat who did some great bubblegum was Rupert
Holmes (Street People, 2nd Cuff Links LP, Warfield County, etc.).
Don't know if he did any cartoon music but I wouldn't doubt it.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:55:48 -0000
From: Martin Jensen
Subject: Re: Lollipops
I wrote wrote
> I have uploaded a '66 single called 'Naked When You Come' by the
> Danish pop group the Lollipops.
Mark Frumento:
> Martin, is this the same band who recorded the wonderful pop song
> "Words Ain't Enough"? If so, I've been seeking more of their
> output. In fact I think there was a CD out but I can't find a copy.
Hi Mark,
Yeah, they're the ones. 'Word's Ain't Enough' is a great, catchy
song. Their stuff is easily available here in Denmark. Earlier this
year two double-disc compilations were put out, one with all their
music from 60-65 and one with the songs from 65-70.
With regards
Martin
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:46:17 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: The Jerome Brothers
Great stories Alan, thanks. Good to see that The Brothers Jerome humour
extended beyond their writers credits!
Too many excellent doo-wops to choose from amongst their back catalogue,
so I've taken the easy way out and played their first production to
musica, a doo-wop version of The Isley Brothers "Respectable", vocal by
the multi-racial Chants, re-released on MGM.
A common lament but their work is underrepresented on CD, Revola
released a splendid "Blades Of Grass" compilation, Reparata/Delrons have
a few CD's but they are 'grey' releases. The Fifth Estate put out their
own excellent release. The group's views, expressed on the sleeve notes
are one of the few dissenting voice on the merits of being part of the
Jerome Brothers 'family'. A look at the label credits over the decades
show the same names turning up, record after record, a loyalty shown by
and to the artists/arrangers which is, rather naturally, very rare.
Anyway, toddle off to musica for the Chants, if you're very good I'll
play the B-Side to the Chants re-recording of "Respectable", issued on
U.W.R., Jimmy and the Slanders, (My hazy memory is telling me that Jimmy
is Jimmy Soul - but don't quote me) with "Rock'in Santa", especially for
Christmas.
Martin
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
PS. Oh dear, just followed Tony's link to http://www.jeromepromotions.com
and where's Steve? I don't wish to pry into family matters but their joint
history seems to have undergone a Stalinist re-write. Just checked my 'Hot
Butter' platter and there they are among the producer credits 'Steve and
Bill Jerome' with John Abbott as an arranger.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:16:22 +0100
From: Dave Heasman
Subject: Re: Jake Holmes
Phil Chapman wrote:
> I know nothing of Jake Holmes, other than an album I found lying
> around in the early 70s. I fell in love with the title track "So
> Close, So Very Far To Go", and never really played the rest of the
> LP. Was this a hit?
He also wrote, IIRC, the Four Seasons' "Genuine Imitation Life Gazette".
Very odd record. And I think I saw him doing a solo set in England
about 1970.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:55:18 EDT
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Out Of His Head - The Book (comments)
I have to agree with a fellow Spectropoper that the cover photo is very
bad, but I think its aimed at a younger generation not the over 50 crowd
that remembers Phil Spector. The updated discography is nice and I
noticed it even mentions, "Baby Don't You get Crazy" on A&M. Has any of
the European bootlegs of Phil's work included this song?
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:55:37 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche
Mick challenged:
> And another thing. There exists a record that is titled after Jack
> Nitzsche. I own a copy of said record. You do too. Name that record.
> Go on. I'm waiting.........
Quick as a flash, with nary a thought, eerh, "Jack's Theme"?
Martin
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:55:21 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Playboy
I have a splendid video of part of one of these Playboy enterprises
from the late 60s featuring Jackie DeShannon and her band (including
Barry White) doing a brilliant live set from her "Laurel Canyon"
album. Some of the women in the "club" are slightly minimally clad
(or was that just what it was like in the 60s) but I can assure you
that Jackie and the band are fully clothed AND in great voice.
Peter
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:57:25 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: This is My Prayer
Dan Hughes:
> There were 2 versions of "This Is My Prayer" that charted in the
> USA: Theola Kilgore (Serock 2006) took it to #60 in 1963
Yes, but Theola's song is not the English translation of Gigliola
Cinquetti's Italian Eurovision hit. It's an entirely different
chanson, written and produced by Ed Townsend.
Peter
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:02:15 +1030
From: Norman
Subject: Austin Roberts
Great to see Austin Roberts getting a run on Spectropop. I have the
Rocky lp in front of me getting "Rocky" ready for some airplay.
I was racking my brains trying to think of the other hit he had here
in Adelaide. With the mention of "Something's Wrong with Me" got me
thinking. "Keep On Singing" was a big hit in 1973, and I remember
this but I am hard pushed to remember "Something's Wrong With Me".
However, according to my source both songs reached top ten charting
at the same time.
I am left wondering that maybe this was an instance when both sides
of the record got an airing. Any info or suggestions?
regards,
Norman
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:45:37 -0000
From: Charles Sheen
Subject: Re: The Alley Cats / Bobby Sheen
Mac Joseph:
> OK, gang; Now that you helped me solve the mystery of RFK and
> "Wild Thing", I have one more. Was Billy Storm (of the Valiants,
> I believe) the lead vocal on "Puddin n' Tain"? Also, if anyone
> knows, was that the "wrecking crew" in back - I am sure that is
> Steve Douglas doing the sax solo. Thanks again in advance guys,
> and if I might add, I am so happy to be a part of Spectropop!
Hey all,
Well, from what I understood, Billy Storm (my cousin's father) had
left the Alley Cats when they were with Phil, and went to Buena Vista
Records (Disney). I do know for a fact that dad (Bobby Sheen) sang
the bridge on "Puddin' 'n' Tain". He was real proud of that. Also,
Rip Spencer might have done the song. He came by the house a few
weeks before my dad died and gave us a copy of an article that was
on him and the Alley Cats in Discoveries, I think. He noted how dad
was a part of Marvin and Johnny, and how he was apart of the recording
sessions with the Alley Cats.
I wonder if Billy Storm and or the Valiants ever backed up Sam Cooke
while at Keen?
Charles Sheen
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:33:56 -0400
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Hardly-Worthit
Now playing at musica, two cuts, attributed to two different Bobbys,
from the recently-discussed "Boston Soul" LP (aka "Wilder Things") by
the Hardly-Worthit Players:
Senator Bobby (Robt. Kennedy parody): Wild Thing
Bobby The Poet (Dylan parody): White Christmas (also parodying Simon
& Garfunkel)
Enjoy,
--Phil M.
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:10:24 -0700
From: Kim Cooper
Subject: New issue of Garage & Beat!
Hi folks,
I'm passing on this message about the latest issue of my off-list pal
Edwin's cool zine Garage & Beat, which has many things you might enjoy.
-Kim
**
Hi All
Issue #10 of GARAGE & BEAT MAGAZINE is out now. Inside you'll find:
P.F. Sloan - Part one of an interview with everyone's favorite Secret
Agent Man. Part two will run in SCRAM MAGAZINE #19. In GAB Phil talks
about Jupiter becoming a new star, an otherworldly encounter with Elvis,
corporate evil within the recording industry, the Fantastic Baggys and
a whole lot more.
Rick Bolz - The Neighb'rhood Childr'n were one of the best late '60s
rock and psychedelia pioneers. Their story makes for a great read.
Follow the action in words and pictures, in this interview with one of
the principals, as the band goes through their surf, rock, freak out and
Christian phases.
Paul Johnson - If you are a fan of surf music, you know who Paul is. In
this interview, Mr. Johnson explains the origins of surf music. The
Belairs had a hit with "Mr. Moto" at the same time Dick Dale made his
first splash. Paul was there and he's never stopped making innovative
music.
The Stupor Stars - These L.A. rockers take their inspiration from bands
like the Real Kids, DMZ and the Devil Dogs. In this interview they talk
about being the future of rock and roll... with tongues planted firmly
in their cheeks. With a CD that is only available in Spain, they have
their work cut out for them.
Tabitha - The 18 year old daughter of a late legendary '60s rock star
guitar god explains why retro bands are so retarded. She then reviews
seven albums each by Billy Childish bands and Los Straitjackets and has
a change of heart. Will she let Bryce get frisky or will she listen to
her mother??
The Beatles - Did you know there was a Beatles release on a 78 RPM
record? Yow! How can that be??!! Fred Shirkwater's tale of finding this
curiosity and determining it contains never-heard-before outtakes IS NOT
TO BE BELIEVED!!!
Baby Bird - Mike Hollingsworth is a groovy cartoonist. This is the first
of his work to run in Garage & Beat. Hopefully, it will not be the last.
Personally, I mostly like the early stuff, but that's a whole other story.
Plus - Reviews of reissues and retro gold and a show and tell section
devoted to new acquisitions of corny records from the beat era.
It's only 4 bucks and is worth every penny... for the most part.
for more info visit http://www.garageandbeat.com
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:37:35 -0000
From: monophonius
Subject: Tina's Everything Under The Sun
Hey everybody!
Sure would like to have Tina Turner's "Everything Under The Sun"
played to musica.
Can't find this track anywhere!
Thanks
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:41:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerry Lintelf
Subject: Re: Foreign language versions
Shawn Baldwin wrote:
> I love Dusty singing you dont have to say!
This song (Io Che Non Vivo Piu' Di Una Ora Senza Te) and Tu Che Ne
Sai which were issued as a picture sleeve on Italian Phillips appear
on a UK compilation double CD of Dusty's.
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:46:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerry Lintelf
Subject: Re: Italian language versions
I knowe for sure about the following, as I once owned them when I lived
in Italy in the 60s...
These were all sung in Italian language:
SUPREMES : SE IL FILO SPEZZERRAI (You Keep Me Hanging On)
FOUR TOPS: PINGONO GLI UOMINI (I Can't Help Myself)
STEVEIE WONDER: Too many to list
NINO TEMPO & APRIL STEVENS : Deep Purple
TERRY STAFFORD: SOSPETTO (Suspicion)
TOM JONES: DELILAH
NEIL SEDAKA: Too many to list
LITTLE PEGGY MARCH: " "
--
I think it was Sedaka who had the first Italian language versions of his
songs, as he was an enormous hit there on the personal appearances circuit...
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:01:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Sending My Good Thoughts To You
Orion..........thanks for your condolences......but don't be sad for me.
Mothers voice is now the loudest of those who guide me from the other
side.Have you seen the page on channeling at my website? http://www.geocities.com/artie_wayne/channel.html
regards, Artie
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:19:15 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Jerome Brothers / Chants / Peter Antell
Martin Roberts:
> (I've played the Jerome Brothers') first production to musica,
> a doo-wop version of The Isley Brothers "Respectable", vocal by
> the multi-racial Chants, re-released on MGM.
I've just placed a pic of the Chants in the photos section. To
view it, click here http://www.spectropop.com/go2/members.html
then click on Photos.
Recognize the guy on the left? It's none other that your pal
from the S'pop New York Shindig, Peter Antell. I hear that Peter
is the subject of a forthcoming S'pop feature, written by John
Clemente. Can't wait!
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:28:40 +0000
From: Richard Williams
Subject: Re: R B Greaves / Sonny Childe
Mark wrote:
> I really love R B Greaves' records from 1970 on up in that soulpop
> vein and I was wondering if anyone is familiar with his British
> recordings from a few years earlier as Sonny Childe. Just curious if
> they had that same great style as Take a Letter, Always Something, etc.
I saw Sonny Childe and the TNT at the Beachcomber in Nottingham in 1967,
I think; their manager gave me an acetate of a single, which I still have
somewhere. They were a band in the style of Herbie Goins and the
Nightimers or Ronnie Jones and the Blue Jays: a black American singer in
front of a band including horns, Hammond organ, guitar, bass and drums.
They were pretty good, although not amazing. The singer was a smooth
stylist who reminded me of a cross between Johnny Nash and Joe Tex; the
music was pitched somewhere between Sam Cooke and Otis Redding. Classic
Sixties soul, in other words.
Richard Williams
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:35:10 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Breakaways
I was given a copy of the Breakaways compilation on Sanctuary recently,
and to be frank I wasn't expecting that much. I know it's been
discussed here before but I just kind of passed swiftly on. Just shows
how wrong you can be. It really is a nice package featuring tracks by a
number of artists, ably supported by the Breakaways; as well as their
own recordings. I particularly liked 'Your Kind of Love', a Marty
Wilde composition for those who haven't heard it. Amongst the other
artists tracks is Petula Clark's 'I Know a Place' which has always had
a special place in my collection. I just love the lines "All around
there are girls and boys, it's a swinging place, a cellar full of
noise." Aged thirteen that sounded so glamourous to me........do people
say glamourous now?
Congratulations to Mick Patrick who complied it, and along with Ian
Chapman wrote the excellent notes.
That'll teach me to pre judge!
Richard
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:07:22 -0400
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Arthur Love
Mr. Rands, Miss Hilton and myself were fortunate to attend the Boston
showing of Arthur Lee & his latterday Love's live recreation of the
classic "Forever Changes" album the other night. Augmented by a
five-lady string section and a two-man horn section, Arthur and his
crackerjack musicians (formerly Baby Lemonade) turned in an
unforgettable interpretation, rounded off by an encore of extra-LP
favorites. Hellfire, if this show comes anywhere near you, do whatever
you can not to miss it.
Midway through the show, I remembered having in my collection an Arthur
Lee solo EP (7"), procured from a shady source upon its "release" in
1977. Not having played it in years, I made a mental note to fish it out
and give it a spin when I get home. Although the quality deteriorates,
in consecutive order, from there, it turns out that the leadoff cut, "I
Do Wonder," is an absolute gem, and sufficiently close to the original
Love sound that I've deemed it within the bounds of the musica mandate
to be postable there. Along similar lines, I've also posted a scan of
the black & white picture sleeve to the Photos section.
Seeing this Love-fest the other night, and having some awareness of what
Lee's been through over the years, it was highly satisfying to see that
a person, if both determined and lucky enough, can walk through the
flames and yet go on to enjoy some moments of grace on the other side.
Long live Lee.
Enjoy,
--Phil Milstein
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:42:57 -0700 (MST)
From: That Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Steve & Bill Jerome
Martin, regarding the Jerome Brothers, I also went on to the Jerome
website, and I was stunned to see the dissapearance of Steve. I sent
an e-mail to Bill asking what happened to Steve. I`ll let you know
if I get a reply.
Best, that alan
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:34:02 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche
Me:
> And another thing. There exists a record that is titled after
> Jack Nitzsche. I own a copy of said record. You do too. Name
> that record. Go on. I'm waiting.........
Martin Roberts:
> Quick as a flash, with nary a thought, eerh, "Jack's Theme"?
Aah, the B-side of the Reprise version of "Yes Sir, That's My
Baby" by Hale & the Hushabyes. I'd forgotten about that one. I
was thinking of another instrumental B-side. So, I'm still
waiting..........
Oh alright, I'll torment you no further. The track I meant is
"Flip And Nitty", the B-side of Philles 107, "Zip-A-Dee Doo Dah"
by Bob B. Soxx & the Blue Jeans. "Flip" equals Phillip (Spector),
while "Nitty" refers to (Jack) Nitzsche. But you knew that. :-)
Btw, are there enough Nitzsche tracks on the "Phil's Spectre" CD
for your liking? What the world needs is an entire CD of tracks
arranged and/or produced by Jack Nitzsche. (thinks)
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:42:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Steve & Bill Jerome
That Alan Gordon:
> ...I also went on to the Jerome website, and I was stunned to see
> the dissapearance of Steve. I sent an e-mail to Bill asking what
> happened to Steve. I`ll let you know if I get a reply.
Alan.........I was wondering the same thing. By the way, that was
a great story on the Jeromes!!
regards, Artie
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