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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Jackie and (especially) Gayle
From: sd45john
2. Praise The Lord! Scott Walker Box Coming
From: David Ponak
3. Re: Jackie and (especially) Gayle
From: sd45john
4. Superoldies
From: Orion
5. 13th Power / Missing Lynx Dynovoice Mystery?
From: Leonardo
6. Re: Gay recordings / Phil S. on the air / Lost & Found
From: Phil Milstein
7. Re: Superoldies
From: Gary
8. Re: (The House Of) The Four Minute Single
From: Mike Rashkow
9. Righteous Brothers on Haven
From: Peter Richmond
10. Re: Gay recordings / Teddy and Darrell LP on Mira
From: Mike McKay
11. Re: Let It Be...Naked
From: Eddy
12. Re: What Was The LAST Rock & Roll Record?
From: Mike Rashkow
13. Re: To That Alan Gordon
From: Glenn
14. Re: What Was The First Rock & Roll Record?
From: Mike Rashkow
15. Re: Needles And Pins
From: Andres
16. Let It Be......Naked
From: Stuffed Animal
17. Re: Let It Be...Naked
From: Mark Frumento
18. Re: Butchers / Short Albums
From: Mike McKay
19. Re: "Let It Be ... Naked"
From: D P Wirth
20. Hebb's Sunny
From: Phil Milstein
21. Stars of Defense
From: Patrick Rands
22. Re: Gay, Lesbian & Cross Gender GG songs
From: Mike McKay
23. Re: What Was The LAST Rock & Roll Record?
From: Bill Brown
24. Four Minute Single/Dylan Goes Electric
From: Frank Uhle
25. Re: Gay recordings / Teddy and Darrell LP on Mira
From: Art Longmire
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Message: 1
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:52am
From: sd45john
Subject: Re: Jackie and (especially) Gayle
Okay, I got thrown off track! The "Gayle" that sings 'Home Of
The Brave' on epsiode 57 of Shindig is actually a singer called
"Linda Gayle". No connection with Jackie and Gayle! Though she
is kind of cute.
SD45John
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Message: 2
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:06am
From: David Ponak
Subject: Praise The Lord! Scott Walker Box Coming
On November 24, "Scott Walker in 5 Easy Pieces: A Themed CD Anthology"
will come out in the UK. Yay! Cover art and track listing can be found
here: http://www.spincds.com/walker.html
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Message: 3
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 2:49am
From: sd45john
Subject: Re: Jackie and (especially) Gayle
I saw that Shindig show with "Gayle" singing 'Home Of The Brave'.
She sure looks like Gayle of Jackie and Gayle. The only problem
is: Gayle is a blonde! So Jackie must be the brunette. When I
first saw that clip, I thought maybe the two broke up and they
each went solo. By the way, on the subject of Shindig: Does
anyone know whatever became of one of the Shindig dancers by the
name of Carole Shelyne? (The kooky blonde with the glasses). She
was my favorite Shindig dancer. She appeared in the teen movie
Out Of Sight (1966) and also in one of the episodes of The Man
From Uncle.
SD45John
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Message: 4
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:23am
From: Orion
Subject: Superoldies
Superoldies wrote:
> Greetings everyone - just a quick note to let everyone here know that
> I have a 24/7 free, live oldies station at http://www.superoldies.com
> All-Request shows on Tuesday 2-4 CST, currently 8900 tunes from 2500
> artists & growing. Listen in while you're surfing the net!
You play any Bubblegum or Sunshine Pop?
Orion
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Message: 5
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:48am
From: Leonardo
Subject: 13th Power / Missing Lynx Dynovoice Mystery?
Hello all,
I am inquiring if anybody knows if the 13th Power Captain Hassle "I
See A Change Going To Come" was ever released on Dynovoice as record
# 227?
I've found The Missing Lynx record with the same catalog number and
recently I've Found the 13th Power 45 on a different label but with
the same catalog number.
The discography I have was from Ted Neely. It lists the 13th Power
as a Dynovoice release. I believe this might have been a typo. But I
just want to make sure that it really is so I'm not chasing ghosts!
All help appreciated!!!
Cheers
Leonardo
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Message: 6
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 2:18am
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Gay recordings / Phil S. on the air / Lost & Found
Art Longmire wrote:
> While we're on the subject of gay recordings, I wanted to ask if
> anyone else has heard the Teddy & Darrell LP on Mira? It dates
> from 1966 and features an openly gay duo taking on a bunch of the
> hits of the day. When it comes to gay cover versions, this one's
> a classic of sorts.
I've got a bootleg CD entitled "Queer To The Core!" (Quick Nuts 02-69),
which anthologizes the entire Teddy & Darrell LP (which is put-on, if
you ask me), and tosses in three 45s, including "I'd Rather Fight Than
Swish" b/w "I'd Rather Swish Than Fight" by a B. Bubba, from the Camp
label, as well as (and here I will quote from a review I wrote of the
CD), "another whole album, a spoken-word affair entitled 'Call Me
Misster,' wherein a bevy of black drag queens engage in a coffee klatch
about the ins and outs of being gay in the early '60s. The conversation
gets quite animated, very candid, and is far funnier than any of the
so-called funny music on 'Queer To The Core!'"
J.D. (or anyone else, for that matter), you're welcome to contact me
offlist if you want more info on this collection. By the way, I enjoyed
the thorough documentation on your site of the Camp label. Have you ever
gotten to the (and please excuse the pun) bottom of who was (again)
behind Camp?
John Fox wrote:
> This was a very small part of the KHJ Los Angeles "History of Rock and
> Roll", a 48-hour radio documentary produced in the early 1970s. In
> this section, Phil did a "blindfold" test (the old Downbeat Magazine
> routine), where they played him s few songs to comment on. I do
> remember that two others besides "Reach Out" were "Since I Don't Have
> You" (where he marveled at the soprano voice at the end) and Phil's own
> "Zip-a-dee-do-dah" (whose castanets he said were influenced by the
> Harlem Globetrotters "Sweet Georgia Brown" theme)
This appearance sounds fascinating. If anyone's in a position to get me
some sort of dub of it, I'll be happy to try to work out some sort of swap.
James Botticelli wrote:
> I was the originator of Lost & Found at WMBR and we did precisely what
> Stewart describes. The bickering was between people who leaned in a
> spectropoppish direction like me or the endless stream of deadheads
> who wanted shows that played 15 minute live album cuts, etc. Phil
> Milstein was part that show's staff for a while as well. We agree that
> the show has gotten a bit too dead-ish but then again I haven't
> listened for awhile. One of the guys does a "bubbling under the hot-
> 100" segment that's pretty interesting.
Agreed. In fact it was this stoner-music contingent that proved to be
the undoing of my Lost & Found slot -- I think they were offended by the
fact that I sometimes played music by actual black people, as well as
stuff recorded prior to 1966. (Jimmy B. leaned even more heavily in
those directions than I did, but, as the show's founder, he had seniority.)
The good Lost & Found DJs were amazing; the bad ones unlistenable. I too
haven't tuned it in in years, but I have a feeling this dichotomy still
exists. The show probably should've been broken off into two separate
ones a long time ago.
--Phil M.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:05pm
From: Gary
Subject: Re: Superoldies
Superoldies wrote:
> Greetings everyone - just a quick note to let everyone here know that
> I have a 24/7 free, live oldies station at http://www.superoldies.com
> All-Request shows on Tuesday 2-4 CST, currently 8900 tunes from 2500
. artists & growing. Listen in while you're surfing the net!
I can certainly vouch for Shawn and his SuperOldies internet radio
station. He plays ANYTHING that hit the Top 100 on the Billboard and
Cashbox charts from 1955 to Dec. 1969, including rarities and regional
hits. TRY IT, YOU'LL LIKE IT!
Gary
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Message: 8
Date: Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:07pm
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: (The House Of) The Four Minute Single
Re "House Of The Rising Sun":
Does anyone other than this old man remember the Miriam Makeba version?
Quite good.
di da,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 9
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:52am
From: Peter Richmond
Subject: Righteous Brothers on Haven
Glenn wrote:
> While I'd hate to disagree with an obvious Righteous Brothers expert,
> I myself am somewhat of an expert on Haven Records and their owners,
> songwriters/producers Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter. And I may not
> even be technically "disagreeing", depending on terminology.
>
> But when I read the phrase "released as a single", my assumption is
> that you are referring to the A-side of the single. While the
> Righteous Brothers' version of "Substitute" (which indeed was the
> original version -- Willie Harry Wilson was a staff writer and artist
> for Haven) was released ON Haven 7014, it was NOT the A-side of the
> single. The A-side was a cover of the Coasters' "Young Blood", which
> I actually heard played for a couple of weeks on a radio station in
> D.C. So "Substitute" was the flip side, which is not the same as
> being "released as a single".
According to Haven Records at the time, Haven 7014 "Substitute"/"Young
Blood" was released as a double A side.
Have you any details of any further unreleased Righteous Brothers tracks
from their Haven days, I know of four that surfaced in the early 90's,
the Lambert/Potter produced "Hey Girl" (Goffin/King) and "If That's The
Way You Want It" (Lambert/Potter) plus the two Bill Medley/Art Munson
produced "Father Of The Rock N Roll" (Medley) and "Happy Song" (Medley).
Peter
Righteous Brothers Discography: http://freespace.virgin.net/p.richmond/
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Message: 10
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:32am
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Gay recordings / Teddy and Darrell LP on Mira
Art Longmire wrote:
> While we're on the subject of gay recordings, I wanted to ask if
> anyone else has heard the Teddy & Darrell LP on Mira? It dates
> from 1966 and features an openly gay duo taking on a bunch of the
> hits of the day. When it comes to gay cover versions, this one's
> a classic of sorts.
If you're referring to "These Are the Hits, You Silly Savage!" -- yep,
I've got it. Of all my many plunderings of the cut-out bins in the
early 70s, this has to rank as my most unusual find (along with,
perhaps, that SINA album!). I don't believe I've ever listened to it.
It could still be sealed, in fact...I'll have to check.
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Message: 11
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:36am
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Let It Be...Naked
David Coyle:
> Could this be ushering in the near-future possibility of seeing the
> "Let It Be" movie given full release, preferably on DVD with
> outtakes and other goodies? Why give us 20 minutes of audio and 20-
> some pages of transcripts of events that mostly took place on sound
> movie film, and keep the actual movie itself in the can?
Word is that they're working on a re-edited version of the movie.
Apparently Sir Paul has this bug in his ear that a "happier" version
of the film is called for.
Eddy
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Message: 12
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:25am
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: What Was The LAST Rock & Roll Record?
> Okay, okay, okay, but what was the LAST rock &roll record? Answer me
> that.
Great question. I'm sure there wil be many answers from those who know
far more than I. I'll offer this possibility -- the first rock and roll
record and the last rock and roll record were the same record -- and
that record was Hail Hail Rock and Roll.
Di da,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 13
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:04am
From: Glenn
Subject: Re: To That Alan Gordon
Alan,
Thanks so much for responding so quickly to my post! And so kindly.
Wow, since I loved Sha Na Na's version of "Maybe I'm Old Fashioned"
so much, I'm sure I'd also love your own version of it, especially if
you yourself think it's better. When I said the song was "one of the
greatest songs ever written by anyone anywhere anytime", the key
words are "song" and "written" - it is the song itself, its free-
wheeling structure, whimsy, originality, irony, sentimentality and
passion, that impresses me most. So it would be very exciting to me
to hear how you originally envisoned (and recorded) it. So I will
DEFINITELY seek out your own version as Alias Billy Hills. I never
knew that you had your own label. What was it called? I'd love to
learn more about it.
You're very welcome for the things I said. They are indeed heartfelt,
and I'm glad that came across to you. They are just some of the things
I've been wanting to say to you, and Garry, for a very long time. I
was just thrilled to have the opportunity to express them to you here.
As much as your songs have touched me, to know that I've touched your
life in any way is a tremendous reward for me.
Sincerely,
Glenn
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Message: 14
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:45am
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: What Was The First Rock & Roll Record?
Richard Havers:
> Mike, I dare (respond)! It proves nothing, least of all that people are
> imbeciles! Why does there have to be agreement anyway? It's a lot like
> genealogy, your never quite sure if there are any illegitimate siblings.
First, I will admit to being given to hyperbole. Second, I believe you
took my statement too seriously. It's not an argument, it's an
exploration.
I will state that, in my opinion, anyone who seriously offers Percy Faith,
Rosemary Clooney and or Glenn Miller, while maybe not being a true
imbecile, certainly should be given both a drug and an IQ test.
As for there having to be agreement--there doesn't, but it does demonstrate
the futility of this persuit pretty well. As I said previously, I found it
astonishing that there was not a more defined concentration on a smaller
group of possibles.
Richard Havers again:
> Anyway your list is clearly nonsense as it doesn't mention Wynonie Harris,
> Louis Jordan.......and bizarrely Rocket 88 : )
"Nonsense"? Though less agressive and insulting than "imbeciles",
essentially illuminates the same conclusion. I think if you check the
archives, those people were mentioned in text--but no one specified a
particular record.
Of course you recognize that it is not "my list"--it was the "group's" list.
I just compiled it. At the time, I felt that it would not be productive to
post it and it appears that my first judgment was correct.
I will have nothing more to offer on the subject, I'm listenting to Alison
Krauss and Patty Loveless--talk about some pure girl voices and great
harmonies.
By the way, there is complete agreement within the bluegrass music
community that the first bluegrass record was any of Bill Monroe's early
work. I double dare you to dispute that. ;-)
Di da,
Rashkovsky
PS: My next nom de plume is going to be Mike Idare--great name, what?
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Message: 15
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 0:48pm
From: Andres
Subject: Re: Needles And Pins
Glenn wrote:
> Another excellent version of "Needles and Pins", which received a
> rave review in Billboard, was the one recorded by British group
> Smokie in 1977. It did chart in the U.S., but was only a minor hit
> here. However, it was a huge hit in the U.K. and throughout Europe.
> Smokie's energetic and unique version, with "piercing" strident
> electric rhythm guitars, their trademark high harmonies and the
> growly lead vocals of Chris Norman ("Stumblin' In"), was produced by
> Mike Chapman and Nicky Chinn, and is definitely worth checking out.
I would add that the Smokie's version once was a really smashing
(though latent) hit in the USSR (the country being hidden behind the
iron curtain at that time). By some mistake or confusion the video of
this song was shown on soviet TV on some New Year's program. I think
Chris Norman would be really delighted to know what a cult hero status
he had among Soviet gals and boys way back 1978...
A.
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Message: 16
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 2:37pm
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Let It Be......Naked
Does anyone other than me interpret the release of the "Let It Be....
Naked" CD as Paul McCartney's personal slap at Phil Spector?
Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles
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14965 Message: 17
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:59pm
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Let It Be...Naked
David Coyle wrote:
> I'm surprised that I haven't seen more discussion of the newly released
> Beatles album "Let It Be...Naked.
Got the CD too and I like it. I assume that Beatles experts and the more
technical minded will dislike or even hate the thing in a big way.
I've already read posts on other message boards that paint the release as
everything from a rip-off to heresy. Personally I don't really take it
seriously enough to make such judgements. Knowing the price of bootlegs,
the $12.00 price I paid seems like a bargain.
I agree with you... "Across the Universe" is a bit of a revalation.
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Message: 18
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:08am
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Butchers / Short Albums
Michael wrote:
> ....Or their local radio station was one of the many across the
> country that sought the British Beatle albums so that they could
> play some of those tracks not yet available in America (WABC in New
> York, for example, was playing "Drive My Car" in December 1965, six
> whole months before Capitol Records finally issued it in America.
> The crafty station simply had gotten a hold of an English copy of
> Rubber Soul, which had that and three other songs not on the American
> pressing.)
Right! I have an aircheck of WKYC in Cleveland on which all four tracks
from the UK Rubber Soul left off of the US version are played. They had
done the same thing earlier with "I've Just Seen a Face" and "It's Only
Love" from the UK "Help!" album.
Imagine a radio station going to those lengths today! Re another
poster's complaint about the Philly Oldies station running Motown into
the ground with Motown Monday, etc.: that, of course, is a nationwide
phenomenon, given that most stations in the country are owned by Clear
Channel and one or two other chains. By the same token, every single one
of them now does "The 60s at 6:00" and "The 70s at 7:00." It's
disgusting, but it's also entirely reflective of mass taste...unlike us,
most oldies listeners WANT to hear the same old shit over and over and
over again.
> But in those days, a Hollies fan in the States was most likely not
> aware that his group had a whole album's worth of selections that
> seemingly dreaded transatlantic travel.
Yes, their second LP "In the Hollies Style," and a wonderful album it is,
too...better overall then their next couple. I found out about it in the
early 70s and somehow acquired an import copy, and was mightily pleased
a few years ago when the Brits issued a CD with both the mono and stereo
versions.
I enjoyed Michael's article very much; however, the one crucial UK/US
album translation he didn't mention is the one in which the US version
emerged the winner by several miles: Traffic's debut album, variously
known as "Heaven Is in Your Mind" and "Mr. Fantasy." The UK version,
artist's intent or no, pales next to the US one that benefits from the
addition of "Paper Sun" (and the elimination of "Utterly Simple" and
other duff tracks).
Yet with the advent of the CD, the UK version was all that was to be had.
For years I haunted the used shops, buying multiple copies of the US LP
in hopes that one would be in better shape than my own battered original.
Finally the situation was rectified a few years back with the CD release
of the US version of the album under its original title.
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Message: 19
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 0:20pm
From: D P Wirth
Subject: Re: "Let It Be ... Naked"
If EMI would have polished the Spector-version too, a fair comparism
could be made. Even if you take the original 70's vinyl, you can't
compare the sound-quality, as all the tape-hiss was digitalized out
which wasn't possible in the old days. And the "old" CD sounds like
nearly all of these kind of CD's: just manufactured to fill the
company's cash-register and the demand. Made to be only as good to be
done better a little later. But soundwise I stand to the spectorished
Let it be.
DPWirth
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Message: 20
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:49am
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Hebb's Sunny
A friend of mine plays piano in a jazz combo with Thomas Hebb, a
terrific bassist whose uncle is Bobby Hebb. I hadn't known about this
until meeting Thomas, but apparently Bobby Hebb lives in the Boston
area, and the two see each other occasionally. I recently came across a
wild rendition of "Sunny" on a Dutch girl group sampler, which gave me
the idea of putting together a comp, to ask Thomas to present to his
uncle, of versions of the song that he might not already know about.
Anyone sitting on such a version who wishes to have it included in the
set, please contact me off-list to arrange to get a copy of it to me.
--Phil M.
P.S. On the other side of his family Thomas is also the nephew of
Fontella Bass, but we'll save versions of "Rescue Me" for another time.
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Message: 21
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:33pm
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: Stars of Defense
Does anyone know anything about the Stars of Defense lps? I just
recently discovered that Lesley Gore recorded some songs with big
band backing for this series (and otherwise unavailable anywhere),
and found this Joanie Sommers webpage:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicHall/1205/sommers8.htm
This website has some helpful information on the series:
http://www.conelrad.com/media/atomicmusic/platter_01.html
I saw a message in another yahoogroup referring to this series
saying "they were usually well recorded and might have some value
this way. And, since they were pressed by the hundreds and often went
unplayed by local stations, there's lots of copies around in perfect
condition."
and here's a link with what I gather is an entire program from 1961 -
it's pretty nice jazz big band style:
http://www.maskmusic.com/other_music.html
Does anyone have any of these or know the story behind them? I would
love to know how many of these shows in fact exist as well as who
else may have done them (any spectropop material besides Lesley and
Joanie?).
:Patrick
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Message: 22
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:27pm
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Gay, Lesbian & Cross Gender GG songs
If I'm allowed to take "GG" out of the header, here are two from Donovan,
both sung in the first person:
"The Ballad of Geraldine" ("I was born with the name Geraldine") from the
early "What's Been Did..." era.
"Widow with Shawl: a Portrait" ("Seven years and seven days/No man has
seen my woman ways") from "A Gift from a Flower to a Garden".
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Message: 23
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:03pm
From: Bill Brown
Subject: Re: What Was The LAST Rock & Roll Record?
pb:
> Okay, okay, okay, but what was the LAST rock & roll record? Answer me
> that.
The last rock and roll record was probably "Bang and Blame" by REM.
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Message: 24
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:15pm
From: Frank Uhle
Subject: Four Minute Single/Dylan Goes Electric
Paul Bryant wrote:
> Then, in June, shazam! House of the Rising Sun - also a song
> from Dylan's first album - this time he was definitely (the
> Animals') source. A nd this gets his attention too. But still
> it takes Dylan another 6 months to strap on that Stratocaster
> and rewrite "Too Much Monkey Business."
Hate to blow another theory here, but have you ever heard the
Dylan B-side "Mixed Up Confusion"? It's the flipside of the
"Corrina, Corrina" 45 (apparently his first single release), and
came out (according to the "Spectropop Research Tool for Record
Masters") in 1962. It's an uptempo rock original, featuring most
of the elements of his later "folk-rock" sound. The single is
ultra rare, and the cut was not compiled on an LP until circa the
late '70s (in Japan only), though I believe it is on a U.S.
compilation now.
As he was apparently fond of 50s rockers like Little Richard (and
didn't he once play piano with Bobby Vee up in Hibbing?), I think
the rock idea was in his head long before he heard the Beatles or
Animals, though some might claim the song was a one-off studio joke.
Frank Uhle
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Message: 25
Date: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:53pm
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: Gay recordings / Teddy and Darrell LP on Mira
Art Longmire:
> While we're on the subject of gay recordings, I wanted to ask if
> anyone else has heard the Teddy & Darrell LP on Mira? It dates
> from 1966 and features an openly gay duo taking on a bunch of the
> hits of the day. When it comes to gay cover versions, this one's
> a classic of sorts.
Mike McKay:
> If you're referring to "These Are the Hits, You Silly Savage!" --
> yep, I've got it. Of all my many plunderings of the cut-out bins
> in the early 70s, this has to rank as my most unusual find (along
> with, perhaps, that SINA album!) I don't believe I've ever
> listened to it. It could still be sealed, in fact...I'll have to
> check.
You're in for a treat when you do listen...I was surprised when I got
a hold of this, it certainly was ahead of its time. I need to check
my copy for the track listings; the only number I recall is a camped-
up version of "Wild Thing"(a song certainly made to order for an LP
like this). One question I have - is this the first gay covers LP? I
haven't heard of an earlier one. And whatever happened to these guys?
All I can say is - this is a genuinely funny LP, quite satirical and
tongue-in-cheek.
Art
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