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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Fontella's nephew
From: Steve Harvey
2. Re: What Was The LAST Rock & Roll Record?
From: superoldies
3. Re: Estelle and Nedra Christmas songs
From: Tony Leong
4. Re: Jackie and (especially) Gayle
From: Tony Leong
5. Re: Hebb's Sunny
From: jerophonic
6. Re: Let It Be...Naked
From: Eddy
7. Re: Butchers / Short Albums / Hollies Style
From: Billy G. Spradlin
8. L.A. Smoke
From: Pjil Milstein
9. Re: Four Minute Single / Dylan Goes Electric
From: Eddy
10. Re: Let It Be...Naked
From: Richard Hattersley
11. The Beatles in the charts
From: Andres
12. Re: Four Minute Single / Dylan Goes Electric
From: Paul Bryant
13. Re: What Was The LAST Rock & Roll Record?
From: Clark Besch
14. Re: Gary Usher and Dick Campbell
From: Clark Besch
15. Gay, lesbian and trans-gender lyrics
From: Justin McDevitt
16. Phil 'n' Elvis ...?
From: James Cassidy
17. Need help with song title/artist
From: Justin McDevitt
18. commercials needed
From: Shawn
19. Re: Let It Be...Naked / Across The Universe
From: Dave Heasman
20. Re: (The House Of) The Four Minute Single
From: Dave Heasman
21. Sandie vs. Ornella
From: Julio Niño
22. "Needles And Pins" and Lyricists
From: Chris
23. Re: Phil Spector & the Guilloteens
From: Tymespan
24. Re: Phil Spector & the Guilloteens
From: Eddy
25. The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
From: Simon White
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:05:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Fontella's nephew
Phil Milstein wrote:
> A friend of mine plays piano in a jazz combo with Thomas Hebb, a
> terrific bassist whose uncle is Bobby Hebb. On the other side of
> his family Thomas is also the nephew of Fontella Bass.
Isn't he really related to Fontella Bassist?
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:34:07 -0000
From: superoldies
Subject: Re: What Was The LAST Rock & Roll Record?
> What Was The LAST Rock & Roll Record?
Depends if you want to limit the answer to artists who recorded in
the '50s & '60s. Pure oldies style rock & roll, although far & few
between is still being produced and released, just not being played
on-air, or in the mainstream. My group "The Shackshakers" somehow
manages to get play on "oldies stations", and it is rock & roll...so
fortunately we haven't seen the LAST rock & roll record yet.
In terms of oldies artists producing good, yet new music, The Capris'
"Morse Code Of Love" is a modern doo-wop classic that was recorded in
the '80s, and I'm sure there's been more since then. Almost a
limitless & argueable question.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:01:54 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Re: Estelle and Nedra Christmas songs
Sean wrote:
> I know that Nedra and Estelle were only on "Be My Baby" and a few
> others but were they on the Ronettes' Christmas songs? I have a
> strong feeling they're on "Frosty" and "Sleigh Ride".
Hi, this is a topic many Ronettes fans chat about--what songs you can
hear Nedra and Estelle clearly on......
Well, yes, definitely "Sleigh Ride", but also, "The Twist", "Mashed
Potatoe Time", " Breakin Up", "Soldier Baby Of Mine" (they sing in
unison), and "Keep On Dancing" (Nedra duets with Ronnie).
Tony Leong
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:56:14 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Re: Jackie and (especially) Gayle
Me:
> Jackie Miller (the blonde), and Gayle Caldwell (brunette) I know
> mostly from their frequent Shindig appearances.
Phil M:
> It occurred to me, while reading Tony's post, that the Gayle of
> Jackie & Gayle is likely the same Gayle as the Gayle credited for
> a nice, solo rendition of "Home Of The Brave" on Shindig. The
> spelling of "Gayle" is the same, and the one-name presentation
> might've been used to concur with the "Jackie & Gayle"
> presentation, esp. if there was no intention of spinning her off
> into a solo career. Gayle, I mean. I suppose I could compare
> tapes of both the solo and duo appearances, but that would be,
> like, work. Any further thoughts on this minor mystery?
That was LINDA GAYLE (a blonde) that sang "Home OF The Brave" on the
October 2, 1965 episode of Shindig!!!!. She was not the Gayle of
Jackie and Gayle!!!!!!!
Tony Leong
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:30:38 -0000
From: jerophonic
Subject: Re: Hebb's Sunny
When I saw the subject line, I thought you were adding "Sunny" to the
"Lover's Concerto" thread: no chorus, no bridge, moving up a half step
after each verse.
I always think of "Sunny" together with "Goin' Out of My Head" and,
later, "(You Are the) Sunshine of My Life": great soulful pop
performances that were immediately emasculated by Vegas
schlockmeisters like the Lettermen and Buddy Greco. I used to sit
home and cringe while these songs got butchered on shows like Merv
Griffin's and Mike Douglas's. Is there an equivalent cultural
experience for teenagers today?
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:39:27 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Let It Be...Naked
Mark Frumento:
> Knowing the price of bootlegs, the $12.00 price I paid seems like
> a bargain.
I agree, but in Europe it's a full-price CD at 22.50 Euro (about $25)!!!
So not really a bargain, is it?!
Eddy
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:54:27 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: Butchers / Short Albums / Hollies Style
Previously:
> But in those days, a Hollies fan in the States was most likely not
> aware that his group had a whole album's worth of selections that
> seemingly dreaded transatlantic travel. Yes, their second LP "In
> the Hollies Style," and a wonderful album it is, too...better
> overall then their next couple. I found out about it in the early
> 70s and somehow acquired an import copy, and was mightily pleased
> a few years ago when the Brits issued a CD with both the mono and
> stereo versions.
The reason I have always heard that "Hollies Style" was never relased
in the USA was because Imperial Records didnt sign the group until
the spring-summer of 1964. The bands first USA album "Here I Go
Again!/Stay" was a very slow seller in the summer/fall of 1964 and
none of the band's early singles charted well. So Imperial skipped
over "Hollies Style".
Some blame weak promotion but Imperial did score big USA hits with
Billy J. Kramer and the Swinging Blue Jeans. It's a shame that
while "Im Alive" was the Hollies first UK #1, Imperial couldnt get it
into the USA Hot 100 - it bubbled under at #101.
Imperial finally scored a USA hit with "Look Through Any Window". I
think it's interesting to note many USA oldies stations still play it
regularly now though it only made it to #32 in January 1966 - 04 months after it was released in the UK in August 1965.
Graham Nash and the band was very angry at Imperial after he saw the
hodgepode the label threw together as the 1966 "Bus Stop" album -
though it was thier highest charting LP in the USA at the time it was
a mishmash of recordings made from the past 3 years, including a
reissue of one track from the previous LP "Beat Group!".
Anal Retentive Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:40:23 -0500
From: Pjil Milstein
Subject: L.A. Smoke
A friend of mine asked me:
> Know anything about an L.A. pop-spych band (1968 or s) called Smoke?
> I'm trying to get hold of their CD but it seems to be unavailable.
I told her I didn't, but that I'd pose it to you-all.
--Phil M.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:42:40 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Four Minute Single / Dylan Goes Electric
Frank Uhle
> Hate to blow another theory here, but have you ever heard the
> Dylan B-side "Mixed Up Confusion"? It's the flipside of the
> "Corrina, Corrina" 45 (apparently his first single release), and
> came out (according to the "Spectropop Research Tool for Record
> Masters") in 1962. It's an uptempo rock original, featuring most
> of the elements of his later "folk-rock" sound. The single is
> ultra rare, and the cut was not compiled on an LP until circa the
> late '70s (in Japan only), though I believe it is on a U.S.
> compilation now.
Mixed up confusion was included on the Masterpieces set (released
in Japan/Australia/New Zealand) and later on the Biograph box.
Eddy
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:14:13 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Re: Let It Be...Naked
The version of 'Let It Be' on the new album is, I think, the same
take as the normal vesion but without new overdubs. So with Paul's
original live vocal instead of an overdub. I don't know for sure
without looking but I'm pretty sure George's guitar solos for the
single and the other one on the album were overdubbed in January
1970. One may have been done before that but it was certainly before
Phil Spector came on the scene. The guitar solo on the new album is
the live one as featured in the 'Let It Be' film.
Richard
http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:02:58 -0000
From: Andres
Subject: The Beatles in the charts
"Songs which ousted the Beatles from No 1 spot or didn't permit the
Beatles to get to the top in the charts".
Hi, this is a compilation I'm working at now. I need your help! What
were the singles at the top when the following Beatles songs couldn't
make it and only stayed at No 2 in the UK?
Please Please Me - Jan 1963
Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Forever - Feb 1967 (Release Me by Humperdink?)
Magical Mystery Tour EP - Dec 1967 (Hello Goodbye?)
Let It Be - Mar 1970
Free As A Bird - Dec 1995
Thank you.
Also if you can give me a good link to US official weekly charts of the
'60s (there was before a very good Catsfield site, but it's dead...:( )
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:07:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Four Minute Single / Dylan Goes Electric
Mixed Up Confusion is on the Biograph box set and therefore not rare.
It was an A side single originally. Dylan was a first generation Elvis
and Little Richard fan all right, and I described his sojourn in the
world of folk music as "temporary". However, if you listen to this
1962 song, it's really rockabilly if anything, recorded with a bunch
of jazz guys, and nowhere near the 1965 Bringing it all Back Home/
Highway 61 signature sound. Yes indeed, the idea of getting back to
rock was in Bob's head all along - certainly by late 63 - and the
events of 64 showed him the way. That was my point.
pb
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:57:31 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: What Was The LAST Rock & Roll Record?
> Okay, okay, okay, but what was the LAST rock & roll record? Answer
> me that.
> The last rock and roll record was probably "Bang and Blame" by REM.
Don't know what the last rock n roll record was, but when oldies
channels started playing Bob Seger's "Old Time Rock n Roll" as an
oldie, it started the fast decline of oldies radio. When all that
fantastic Cameo/Parkway stuff of his sits unreleased, the piece of
crap continues to be praised on oldies radio. It helped start the
"oh that old song is in a movie, let's play it!" campaign and issued
in the deletion of 50's oldies like the song was saying "Ok, I am
saying everything about those records in one song, so why play all of
them?". Now, there are all these late 70's songs on their, taking
away the 60's cuts somewhat. That's not all bad (considering I hate
hearing the same 40 60's songs for 2 decades), but if these changing
times are upon us, Bob Seger's "Old Time" should be retired too,
correct? Well....unless......um....they replace it with.....um.....
"LIKE A ROCK"!!!! Oooh, that could be a "Vagrant Winter"!
Take care, Clark
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:09:02 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Gary Usher and Dick Campbell
I really enjoyed the Gary Usher/Dick Campbell clip on musica. Good
stuff! Thanks for sharing it with us!
Clark
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:58:18 -0600
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Gay, lesbian and trans-gender lyrics
Hello Spectropop,
Here's another addition to the gay, lesbian and trans-gender, cross-
dresser song list, which I present in the spririt of "tongue-in-cheek;
(ohh--ohh, maybe this is not the most appropriate phrase to use here).
Anyway, the specific song title is Twisting The Night Away, compliments
of the great Sam Cooke; (third verse). "Here's a fellow in blue jeans,
who's dancing with an older queen, dolled up in her diamond rings,
twistin' the night away. Man you ought to see her go, twistin' to the
rock and roll"---
The older queen is referred to as a "her". However, one can certainly
draw a different inference.
Speaking of Sam Cooke, in the almost two years that I have been a
member of this distinguished gathering of music mavens, I can not
recall seeing any postings to the list regarding this great vocal
artist whose body of work encompasses both Gospel music (re The Soul
Stirrers) and his later secular pop/R&B recordings.
Yours in peace,
Justin McDevitt
P.S. Expected record temperature today of 63 degrees F here in the
Twin Cities, though the pleasure is fleeting since 6 inches of snow are
expected by this Sunday. To quote Joni Mitchell/Tom Rush, "I get the
urge for goin", though I don't think that my wife and two daughters
would appreciate this course of action.
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:15:14 -0500
From: James Cassidy
Subject: Phil 'n' Elvis ...?
I know the recent unpleasantness regarding Mr. Spector is off-limits
for discussion, but I have to ask this question: is it only because of
bad fact-checking that every AP story claims that Phil worked with
Elvis?
Jim Cassidy
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:10:58 -0600
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Need help with song title/artist
Hello Spectropop,
Have been enjoying many of he recent postings; particularly those
regarding the Kit kats. In my 45 collection, I have a two-sider by
this band featuring Let's Get Lost On A Country Road and Won't Find
Better Than Me.
To my question: A few nights ago, I was listening to the oldies
channel included in the specific satellite package that I subscribe
to. Just after listening to a great recording of Bobby Freeman's
Betty Lou's Got A New Pair Of Shoes, a song was played that I really
enjoyed; (a real rocker). In all the years I've been listening to
rock 'n roll, I've never heard this track. Based on the lyrics, I
believe that the song is title Sugaree, Sugaree; not to be confused
with Sugaree; a track from Jerry Garcia's 1971 first sole Lp. The
artist on this track sounded like Ronnie Hawkins. Any assistance
would be appreciated.
Also, I just purchased the Soft Sounds For Gentle People on ebay.
The seller has a home page which includes links to an interesting
inventory of Lps and Cds which are for sale, (some listed on ebay.
The link to the site is: http://home.onemain.com/~grooversparadise
Justin McDevitt
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:28:03 -0000
From: Shawn
Subject: commercials needed
I'm new to the group, another member mentioned how a number of you
here have talked about radio commercials here. The station could use
as many & all as any of you are willing to send our way. We will add
them all to the station playlist!
Shawn
http://www.superoldies.com
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:58:09 -0000
From: Dave Heasman
Subject: Re: Let It Be...Naked / Across The Universe
> "Across The Universe" is incredible. It's the original master take,
> which Spector not only overdubbed with strings and chorus, but he
> slowed it down, giving the finished product a slurred weary sound.
This song was first released in 1966 on a charity LP in England. It
was full of phased cuts from speaker to speaker. Has that been stripped
from this version too?
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:04:55 -0000
From: Dave Heasman
Subject: Re: (The House Of) The Four Minute Single
> ...Dylan issues first album in 62, second and third in 63. No one
> has heard of Dylan in the UK in 63 except some folkies and assorted
> hipsters...
"Don't Think Twice It's All Right" got played regularly in 1963 on a
French radio show "Salut Les Copains" which our gang at school in
Colchester listened to every weekday afternoon. We all thought it was
fantastic, had never heard anything like it for subject-matter. Didn't
think the arrangement was particularly groundbreaking, possibly because
Lonnie Donegan had made some tracks that had a similar sound.
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:00:27 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Sandie vs. Ornella
Hi everyone,
Top on my personal hit parade these days is the version of "Guardo
te che te ne vai" by Sandie Shaw. The song was recorded in 1966,
probably in Italy and is included in the recent compilation of songs
in Italian by Sandie.
I think that Sandie's version is charming but I prefer Ornella Vanoni's
version which was included in her 1966 LP "Ornella". Vanoni's is so
beautiful that it hurts. I have no idea if there are early versions of
the song.
The same LP included a cover of Len Barry's "One, Two, Three" in
Italian, the hit "Io te darò di più" and "Per questo voglio te", which
was also recorded by P.J. Proby the same year.
Julio Niño
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:43:02 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Chris
Subject: "Needles And Pins" and Lyricists
Peter Lerner on "Needles & Pins":
> The lyrics are very DeShannon of that period - compare for example
> with the sentiments and expressiveness of "The Prince", "When You
> Walk In The Room" and many others of that 62-64 period when Jackie
> was writing great songs with Sheeley, Nitzsche and on her own.
> Jackie's lyrics are always just that little bit special.
Give me Don George's lyrics for "I Ain't Got Nothin' But The Blues"
or Dorothy Fields' for "Remind Me" any day of the week ...
And has anyone remarked how harmonically monotonous "Needles and Pins"
is? Even compared to, say, "It's My Party"?
Chris
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:11:09 EST
From: Tymespan
Subject: Re: Phil Spector & the Guilloteens
Amber:
> It's years since I heard "I Don't Believe". Is it out on CD, I
> wonder? I guess I'll never hear how it might have sounded
> produced by Phil Spector. I'll just have to use my imagination.
> I'm good at that. Anyway, must dash, Joey's expecting me to do
> her roots.
All of the Guilloteens singles have been compiled on a limited edition
LP by Misty Lane Records. More info can be found at:
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/guilloteens1965/page11.html
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:28:04 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Phil Spector & the Guilloteens
Laddie Hutcherson of the Guilloteens on recording with Phil
Spector (from Ron Hall's book Playing For A Piece Of The Door...
as reported by Amber):
> "One night the Righteous Brothers brought Phil Spector to
> hear us, and he was crazy about the band and Louis (Paul)'s
> voice. He invited us up to his mansion the next day to work
> on 'I Don't Believe', a song Louis had written, which was in
> the early stages. We drive through these gates and can't
> believe what's happening to us. Jack Nitzsche was there and
> played piano on the song. We went into Gold Star studio, and
> it was unbelievable what Spector did with that song. He had
> that Wall Of Sound going and it just blew us away! He had to
> go to New York for a couple of weeks but said when he got
> back he'd make 'I Don't Believe' into a hit. Man, we were on
> cloud nine!"
Here's some more comments by Lynn, Louis Paul's wife, on the
subject...
Eddy
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Spector never finished I Don't Believe. He wouldn't even speak to
the guys after Williams signed them with HBR. He wasted several
months working with them trying to work out a contract and when the
Righteous Brothers single hit he had to stop and finish and album
with them. He said he would work out a deal with Williams for them
as soon as he finished. Williams wouldn't wait.
Louis says they started out working in a state of the art studio with
32 channels with Phil Spector and wound up recording live in a
cartoon studio for Yogi Bear. You can hear a tiny bit of the Spector
version. The beginning of the song was one part they had worked out.
Louis used it for the HBR recording.
By the way. Elvis got them the job at the Red Velvet sight unseen and
never heard by the club owner until they got there. He hired them on
Elvis' word.
Lynn
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:40:25 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
This Sunday, 23rd November 2003, on Soul 24-7.com at 2pm-4pm GMT
The METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW
2 solid hours of '60s, '70s but mainly Northern, Soul
This week - - - - The Utterly Marvellous Simon White
Stop Press: NOW AN EXTENDED SHOW, SO I WILL BE DOING TWO HOURS OF
DISCO TYPE STUFF FROM 12-2PM TOO!
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