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Spectropop - Digest Number 1163
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003
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SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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There are 26 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
From: Harold Shackelford
2. Re: Best line in a song
From: JJ
3. Re: The Wildweeds
From: Clark Besch
4. Re: R. I. P. Tom Wilson
From: Phil Milstein
5. Re: Coke ads / Derek Martin / Hannukah songs / bootlegs / White Whale / Tom Wilson / Kathy McCord, etc.
From: Country Paul
6. More Kathy McCord
From: Country Paul
7. Re: Tom Wilson / Sound Of Silence
From: Paul Bryant
8. Re: Tom Wilson
From: Steve Stanley
9. Re: Best line in a song
From: Paul Bryant
10. Re: The End of Albums
From: Richard Havers
11. Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
From: Michael Fishberg
12. Re: Sweetshop - Lead The Way
From: Mark Wirtz
13. Re: The End of Albums
From: Mark Wirtz
14. Re: Gauchos & La Di Dahs
From: John Fox
15. Metropolitan Soul Show Playlist Dec 7 03
From: Simon White
16. Viva
From: Jules Normington
17. Re: Gay Songs
From: Chris
18. Re: La di da
From: Mike McKay
19. Re : The End of Albums
From: Scott
20. Lost Records
From: Philip Hall
21. Re: La di da
From: Tom Taber
22. Lynn Brigg's update on Mike Smith
From: Norman
23. Re: R. I. P. Tom Wilson
From: Scott Charbonneau
24. Re: Put The Clock Back On The Wall
From: That Alan Gordon
25. Re: Levy & Lennon
From: Phil Milstein
26. Re: Run For Your Life
From: Steve Bonilla
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:40:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Harold Shackelford
Subject: Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
As long as we are going back in time - how about Arthur Godfrey's
early 50's (no pun intended) hit - "Slap Her Down Again Paw!"
with lyrics like: "Slap her down again, Paw, Slap her down again.
Make her tell us more, Paw, tell us where she's been. We don't
want the neighbors, talkin' bout our kin. Slap her down again, Paw,
slap her down again!"
Aloha, Shack.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 06:36:37 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Re: Best line in a song
Bill Brown:
> What does everyone consider the best line in a song? One I like
> is "The Captain laughed and said 'You boys want some sex? You
> can squeeze the sails, you can lick the decks'" ("Shakedown
> Cruise", Jay Ferguson)
"Catch me if you can, I´m goin' back".
JJ
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 06:28:58 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: The Wildweeds
Phil Milstein:
> Ian Matthews' Matthews Southern Comfort also covered And When She
> Smiles, and included it alongside another fab Big Al song, Mare
> Take Me Home. I've said it before here, but it's worth repeating:
> I can't imagine a single member of this list not being able to
> find at least a couple of big-time thrills on "No Good To Cry:
> The Best Of The Wildweeds". The label it's on, Confidential
> Recordings, was created expressly to release this collection, and
> of course it is with the band members' full cooperation:
> http://www.confidentialrecordings.com/shop_wds.html
Phil, you are so right! The Wildweeds Cd is great! James Holvay,
you would like this one!
Clark
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:24:29 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: R. I. P. Tom Wilson
Q:
> What's Tom Wilson doing now? I've always been a big admirer of his
> work and always wanted to meet him.
Stuffed Animal:
> Unfortunately, he died of AIDS. Sometime in the mid-1990s, as I
> recall. His passing was noted in The Advocate...
Wilson died in 1978, of a heart attack. The Advocate obit must have
been about someone else with the same name.
--Phil M.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:00:09 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Re: Coke ads / Derek Martin / Hannukah songs / bootlegs / White Whale / Tom Wilson / Kathy McCord, etc.
New stuff first - two cool Coke jingles @ musica. Thanks, Mike
Rashkow! Don't take it personally, Mike, but I especially like the
one credited to Ellie G., although I know you were all involved
with them. Any more in your stash you want to share?
Having disliked "2525" in extremis, I listened to Zager & Evans' "Mr.
Turnkey" in musica with trepidation. Surprise - nice track, although
the line "she was lovelier than oil rights" certainly struck a
contemporary nerve thanks to the current ecological questions in the
US. Thanks for posting it, Phil.
Back to catching up....
Briefly, one more for the short song sweepstakes: the original
"Bluebirds Over The Mountain" by Ersel Hickey, Epic, 1958, at 1:20.
Superb!
Mick Patrick:
> Agreed, "You Better Go" is a magnificent record....I've posted
> Martin's "Your Daddy Wants His Baby Back (Roulette 4647, 1965),
> another Randazzo song/arrangement/production:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
David Young:
> Since The Top Notes were recently under discussion here (in
> connection with their Spector-produced original version of "Twist
> and Shout"), I thought I'd mention, for the benefit of those who
> don't know, that Derek's the lead singer of that group (as Derek
> Ray).
My nod still goes to "You Better Go," although "Your Daddy" is a
well written song, too. Interesting how Derek Martin sounds so
different, and so much older, than he does on the Top Notes track -
which I like more and more every time I play it.
Larry Lapka:
> Why is there a dearth of Hannukah songs in popular music--whether
> it be rock and roll, pop, or any other manifestation of the two?
> ...([Y]es, obviously, there are Hannukah songs out there)
Name one or two besides Adam Sandler, please; I can't think of any.
> Jews do not look a their holiday as non-Jews look at Christmas;
> it wasn't thought to be a major holiday on the Jewish calendar,
> thus, there are few songs of this genre to play.
I think that's the answer, coupled with the fact that many hymns
from the Christian liturgy have "hit" in the mass marketplace, but
the Jewish musical liturgy for Hanukkah (there are at least 8
spellings to go with the 8 lights) hasn't produced much beside
"Dreidl, dreidl dreidl, I made it out of clay...."
> More to my point: with all the major talents in the recording
> industry who are Jewish, why do Jews release Christmas albums? Why
> do Jewish performers not acknowledge that their holiday is as
> special as Christmas.
The world isn't New York, say I as a fellow New Yorker. Hanukkah is
really a minor holiday, essentially elevated to "compete" with
Christmas as Jews acculturated into the US, a decidedly Christian
country. And it's a completely different holiday; the birth of the
savior is central to Christianity; the battle to save the temple -
again - is another incident in Jewish history. Besides, hey, with a
perhaps 2% minority of the US population, I think the Jewish writers
decided to go for the mass market. In parts of the country today,
there are still people who have never consciously seen a live Jew.
Really. (By the way, Larry, I'm Jewish, too, so no hate mail, please.)
Aliled, on the same topic;
> [I]t's tougher to fight the onslaught of Christmas mania every year,
> whether your reasons are religious or anti-commercial or for plain
> old reasons of sanity!
And this year so many stations with foundering formats and limited
imaginations have switched to all-Christmas-all-the-time, some as
early as November! Arrrrgh! (And no Hanukkah songs, even in New York.)
Mark (mfuncle):
> I happen to think that bootlegs serve a legitimate purpose. How many
> recordings are there that are being held hostage in major labels
> vaults? So many things are just not commercially viable for them to
> reissue.
I see this side of the argument, and concur to a point. I also
strongly feel that if a record is legitimately issued, there is no
purpose to having a bootleg out except to enrich the bootlegger and
take money from the artist's pocket. The conflicted point is indeed
when an artist would like his/her stuff out there and the record
company won't give it up. But if a bootleg comes out, doesn't that
diminish the chance of the artist ever seeing another commercial
release? I don't think it's a black-and-white issue, unfortunately.
Dave Heasman:
> "My Girl The Month Of May" was the b-side of "Berimbau" and also on
> "Dion & The Belmonts Together Again" from 1967. It's a brilliant and
> very clever song, just made for Dion, his cracked agonised voice.
I just had to second this comment (and the one about "May" being
quasi-Spectorian). These are probably the two best tracks from the
album, too. Paul Underwood noted the Dion-Spector collaboration, which
Dion and critics panned; I found it interesting butnot compelling. Far
more so is the Cher 45 of the same era, "A Woman's Story," on also on
Warner-Spector. The record is thick, throbbing, slow cookin' -
everything I'd hoped the Dion would be.
Clark:
> Art, that is cool to hear that you like the Varese "Happy Together:
> The Very Best of White Whale" Cd! I've never heard much talk about
> it, but I did more work for that booklet than any I've ever worked
> on.
Let me pipe up in support - clean copies of Lyme & Cybelle's "Follow
Me" and Matthew Moore + 4's "Codyne" (a great undiscovered gem) are
alone worth the price of admission. I never "got" the John's Children
track, however.
Phil Milstein, re: Tom Wilson:
> While a staff producer at MGM (Verve's parent at the time) c.1968 he
> did a series of radio programs, entitled "The Music Factory," in
> which he'd interview an MGM recording artist while spinning theirs'
> and others of the label's new releases. In the guise of a hip
> syndicated show, these were in fact sheer promo. His Music Factory
> segment with John Cale and Lou Reed is commonly available on
> bootlegs, and provides a wonderful glimpse at Wilson's hip
> intellectual persona (read: he sounds completely stoned!). I've
> always pictured him as the ultimate target audience of the Playboy
> Advisor: black turtlenecks, great hi-fi rig, shag carpet, Couvoisier
> and mood lighting.
I had the unique experience of being in the studio for the taping of
one of those shows featuring Ian Bruce-Douglas of the Ultimate Spinach
and someone (I don't remember who) from Orpheus. I can attest that you
are 100% right in your observations, save that no drugs were in the
studio - at least that I saw or was offered! But Wilson was a gracious
host and a gentleman, even if Ian B-D struck me as being very full of
himself.
Phil again:
> [W]ith Wilson at the helm [the Velvet Underground] added "Sunday
> Morning," which he produced with an eye toward AM airplay!)
I have the 45, and I remember some limited AM airplay in New England as
well.
Steve Harvey:
> None of [Frank Zappa & The Mothers'] other stuff came close to
> ["Trouble Comin' Every Day"].
Them's fightin' words in this corner, son. While brilliant, the song
is one of many that Zappa did, including several on "Freak Out"
(including the not-really-doo-wop "How Could I Be Such A Fool") that
were outstanding. He may have been a dictator to his band, but most
incarnations of The Mothers, and Zappa with other ensembles afterward,
did some amazing music. Take the satire out of "Fool" and you'll find
a beautiful composition at its core.
Francesc Sole, I'm two weeks late in thanking you for the info on
Kathy McCord. Time to look up the album! (There's a picture of the
cover at http://www.dougpayne.com/ctip1001.htm and she co-wrote one of
the songs, "Velvet Smile," with Billy Vera.) Neither of the tracks I
mentioned on Rainy Day are anywhere near jazz; I wish I had the means
to get them off vinyl and into the digital realm.
"Only" a dozen digests behind now....
Country Paul
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: More Kathy McCord
This review from http://www.trunkrecords.com/turntable/recommend.htm
about the CTI album:
KATHY MCCORD:
"Self title LP form a woman I know zip all about apart from she made
this one LP and it's the first LP on the CTI label. It goes against
everything about CTI - I mean it's not a jazz LP, it's more of a folky
think, with a jazz backing. I think it was a flop for Mr Creed Taylor
and he decided to stick to what he knew after it. But it is quite
beautiful and she has an almost folky voice which does grow on you very
quickly. This is a pain in the arse to track down. Looking at the cover,
it's Kathy in intense close up, and with all things like this you never
know whether she is just amazingly beautiful or if this is just a way of
possibly disguising the fact she is boss eyed or something like that.
Bloody good record though.:
Just for a grin, I e-mailed three Kathy McCords whose addresses I found
via Google. We'll see if any one of them might be the singer. In the
meanwhile, does anyone have the equipment - and the single - to play to
musica?
Country Paul
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:15:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Tom Wilson / Sound Of Silence
Dan Hughes wrote:
> The way I heer'd it was that Tom Wilson did not think about juicing
> up the Sounds of Silence until he saw Like a Rolling Stone become a
> big hit.
>
> So a timeline that makes logical sense is this:
>
> Wilson records Wed Morn 3AM--a folkie album--and it flops.
>
> Wilson records Like a Rolling Stone--by a folkie doing rock--in July
> 1965 and sees it go to #2 in Billboard for two weeks: Sept 4 and
> Sept 11, 1965.
>
> Seeing this, Wilson says "Hmmmm....." and calls the session guys back
> in mid-September to change Sounds-folkie into Sounds-rock.
This makes sense but you have to add in the experiment he did with
Dylan's House of the Rising Sun - when was that?
pb
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:24 -0800
From: Steve Stanley
Subject: Re: Tom Wilson
Q:
> What's Tom Wilson doing now? I've always been a big admirer of his
> work and always wanted to meet him.
At 47 years of age, Tom Wilson died of a heart attack at his L.A.
home on September 6th 1978.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:13:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Best line in a song
Bill Brown wrote:
> What does everyone consider the best line in a song?
"What color are his eyes?" "I dunno, he's always wearing shades."
pb
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:31:44 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: The End of Albums
Paul Bryant wrote:
> Ah - it is, and it isn't. The concept of the "album", which in pop/
> rock music was introduced by Dylan, the Beach Boys and the Beatles,
> made sense for a long time.
Not to sound too picky Paul but I think there is a better case to be
made for Frank Sinatra introducing the album concept. Certainly Sinatra
is pop, but if your point is that pop/rock is yet another genre I
concur with you! I totally agree with your argument about the 40
minutes vs the 70 minutes. Back when Sinatra started out the album ran
to about 25 minutes. This is an extract from something I am working on.
In March 1946 Frank Sinatra’s first album was released. Nowadays many
still refer to CDs as albums, and certainly most people called the Long
Playing 33 1/3 rpm record an album. The reason is simple. Major artists
had sets of 78 rpm recordings that were packaged together in a
cardboard casing an sold as an ‘album’ of the their recordings. Frank’s
was not the first album, but it was the first to be thematically
arranged, something of a recurring theme throughout the remainder of
his career. The four records had a wonderful cohesion, and as Columbia
have reissued a CD of the album you can relive the experience, it
certainly stands the test of time.
The Voice of Frank Sinatra was probably conceived by Columbia in
isolation from Frank. Whether Sinatra and Axel Stordahl were
specifically asked to record the songs included in the album
(interestingly we now always say ‘on the album’) or whether they were
just collected together from the two recording sessions has been lost
in the mists of time.
Amongst the many myths about Sinatra and his achievements is that this
album topped the first ever Billboard chart. The truth is that honour
belongs to Nat King Cole, whose album King Cole Trio Collection of
Favourites went to No.1 on March 24 1945, a full year before Frank’s
album came out. The Voice of Frank Sinatra did stay at the top (the
album chart was just a Top Five until August 1948) for seven weeks in
1946, spending a total of eighteen weeks on the charts.
In Billboard on December 24 1949 there was a fascinating article under
the headline “Sinatra’s Pioneering Thoughts on LP Pop Tune Production”
It talks of Frank being the first noted pop artist to voice his
theories on the fact “that LP calls for new orientation and pioneering.
(It) calls for an entirely new approach to recording – from the artists
point of view.” He said that people were still thinking of LPs as they
thought of 78-rpm albums. “Artists and a and r men will have to pioneer
in the use of script material in conjunction with music, the
representation of musical sketches, commentary, narrative and mood
music. 20 minutes of ‘time’ on each side will call for much more of a
production package.” It shows how far ahead Frank was in his thinking.
Of course once Frank signed to Capitol in 1953 he really got into his
album stride with 'Songs For Swinging Lovers', 'In the Wee Small
Hours', 'Come Fly With Me'........
Richard
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:29:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Fishberg
Subject: Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
I seem to recall in a rare interview given to British pop-meister
Pierre Perrone (I think in "The Independent" newspaper's obit on
Little Eva), she was quoted as saying that this song - He Hit Me
- was based on true events in her life and the probs she had with
hubby. She actually recorded the song for Goffin & King as a demo
(Eva was the Kings' babysitter at one time) and it was picked up
by Spector.
If you go to http://www.gemm.com and enter in the search word "slap"
plenty of "romantic" titles come up!!!
Michael Fishberg
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 06:38:41 -0500
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Sweetshop - Lead The Way
Mutsushi Tsuji writes:
> Hello, I'm a Mark Wirtz fan from Japan. I'd like sing along with
> the song: Sweetshop - Lead The Way but I can't recognize the
> complete its lyrics from CD: Mark Wirtz / Pop works Two. Here are
> some lines of lyrics below that I could get to hear. So please
> somebody help to complete or fix the lyrics.
Hello Mutsushi,
The following are the original words of the song, which I wrote with
Roz Hanneman in 1967:
Lead The Way
Lead the way, I will follow
Leave today for tomorrow
To new towns, To new places
To new friends, To new faces
>
Let's evade a life of routine
There's a world of wonder to see
We're too young to grow old much too soon
To be told what to do by a book of rules
Lead the way, I will follow
Leave behind, all our sorrow
Look ahead, not behind
Search for love and peace of mind
>
Let's evade a life for routine
There's a world of wonder to see
We're too young to grow old much too soon
To be told what to do by a book of rules
Thank you for your interest and enthusiasm. I am always severely
thrilled and flattered when I hear from my music friends in Japan,
who are among the most loyal and appreciative anywhere.
While I feel honored by the continuing interest in my works of the
past, I hope that you will open your ears and hearts to my new
"stuff" ( http://www.markwirtz.com ) will keep you informed of new
developments). Now that, after 25 years, I am "back in the saddle"
again, I intend to add some new "goodies" to the old chestnuts.
Matter of fact, I plan to shortly exclusively world-preview my first
new "movie-on-record" single, "Learning 2 Live With Love" (from the
forthcoming "Love Is Eggshaped" CD), featuring UK's amazing
Spyderbaby, sparkingly assisted by Tony and Anthony Rivers, and
"audiographed" by SP's own studio maestro Phil Chapman, right here
on Spectropop :) So, please keep checking the board.
Thank you again, Mutsushi.
Very best,
Still rocking - again,
"mad" mark wirtz (as Phil Chapman calls me, LOL)
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 06:56:26 -0500
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: The End of Albums
Tom Taber:
> Not having a calculator with me - I believe that a 60-70 minutes
> CD is a much cheaper source of music than the 30 minute $3.98
> stereo LP was in 1967
Paul Bryant:
> Ah - it is, and it isn't. The concept of the "album", which in pop/
> rock music was introduced by Dylan, the Beach Boys and the Beatles,
> made sense for a long time... 40 minutes was tolerable, and indeed,
> highly enjoyable. 70 minutes is way too long. Instead of a
> manageable chunk of vinyl time, the album has elephantised into an
> evening-crunching experience...
You make some darn good and intelligent points there, Paul, but don't
you think that, ultimately, the "length and duration" of any piece of
entertainment should be determined by how long it captivates the
audience's interest, rather than by "standard" and contrived measures??
Like, a 600 page book may keep us turning the pages, while we may never
make it through a 120 page "shortie," simply bored by the latter.
Similar with movies. Certainly so with today's "albums."
Personally, I like it when I am "consuming" something yummy and there's
lots of it. Don't have to eat it all, or all at once, do I? There's
always later. More to the point, perhaps, is the annoying habbit by
today's recording artists and producers, to give us a few stellar tracks
(that seduce us into buying the album in the first place), only to fill
up the rest of those, in this case eternal 70+ minutes, with vapid
musical Valium...
Very best,
mark wirtz :)
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:26:01 EST
From: John Fox
Subject: Re: Gauchos & La Di Dahs
The Gauchos: The only thing I remember about them was that they had
TWO drummers--not a drummer and a percussionist, but two drummers
playing full drum sets.
And I hate to be a teacher's pet, but "the song that went la di da,
oh boy, let's go, cha cha cha" is, in fact, called "La Dee Dah" by
Billy & Lillie, the same duo that later did the song Stuart is
referring to, "Lucky Ladybug".
And I, too, always thought it was just "Hey, la, hey, la".
Oom Dooby Doom,
John Fox
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:19:44 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Metropolitan Soul Show Playlist Dec 7 03
Happy birthday Little Richard - 71 last week, and a
tribute to Teddy Randazzo who recently passed away.
LITTLE RICHARD - TRAVELLING SHOES - ATLANTIC
LITTLE RICHARD - WELL ALRIGHT - SPECIALITY
LITTLE RICHARD - DO YOU FEEL IT PT 1 - MODERN
SPYDERS - I CAN TAKE CARE OF MYSELF - GOLDEN STATE
GLADYS KNIGHT AND THE PIPS - JUST WALK IN MY SHOES - MOTOWN
DUSTY SPRINGFIELD - WHAT'S IT GONNA BE - PHILIPS
MARVELLOS - WHY DO YOU WANT TO HURT WHO LOVES YOU - LOMA
DEAN PARRISH - DETERMINATION - BOOM
BARBARA MASON - I AIN'T GOT NOBODY - ARTIC
LITTLE RICHARD - EVERY TIME I THINK ABOUT YOU - JOY L.P.
LITTLE RICHARD - I NEED LOVE - COLUMBIA
BIG MAYBELLE - QUITTIN' TIME - ROJAC
Teddy Randazzo tribute -
MARION RYAN - BETTER USE YOU HEAD - PHILIPS
ROYALETTES - NEVER AGAIN - MGM
LITTLE ANTHONY - THEY CALL ME THE JOKER - BGO CD
TEDDY RANDAZZO - YOU'RE NOT THAT GIRL ANYMORE - DCP
LITTLE ANTHONY - GOING OUT OF MY HEAD - BGO CD
ANNABELLE FOX - GETTING THRU TO ME - SATIN
SUSAN RAFEY - HURT SO BAD - PHILIPS
CARMEN TAYLOR - YOU'RE PUTTING ME ON - KARMA SUTRA
SOULFUL STRINGS - COMIN' HOME BABY - CADET L.P.
DEE DEE SHARP - GOOD - CAMEO
DEE DEE SHARP - I'LL DO ANYTHING - UNRELEASED
DEE DEE SHARP - DEEP DARK SECRET - CAMEO
ERNESTINE ANDERSON - YOU CAN'T BUY LOVE - MERCURY
DETROIT STRINGS - SHAKE ME WAKE ME - KOOL KAT 12"
HEDY SONTAG - HE NEVER CAME BACK - PHILIPS
SAUNDRA EDWARDS - NO MORE ROOM IN MY HEART - BESTWAY CD
DIANA FOSTER - I'M GONNA SHARE IT WITH YOU - CASINO CLASSICS
LITTLE RICHARD - YOU BETTER STOP - DYNASTY
O'JAYS - NO TIME FOR YOU - IMPERIAL
CLYDIE KING - MISSING MY BABY - ACE CD
CARL HALL - YOU'RE SO QUALIFIED - MERCURY
LITTLE RICHARD - POOR DOG - OKEH
LITTLE RICHARD - I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE GOT PTS1&2 - VEE JAY
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:03:29 +1100
From: Jules Normington
Subject: Viva
Phil Milstein wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good discog. on his Viva label? The few
> records I have on it run a very strange gamut of sounds. I mean,
> what kind of nut would put out Prof. Irwin Corey 45s ...?!?
Hi Phil...The answer is simply, the same kind of nut who puts out
45s (well, one) by Spike Jones Jr., several appalling singles by
the Midnight String Quartet (covers of "Classical Gas", and "The
Little Drummer Boy", amongst them)...and somehow even a one-off
by Rudy Vallee....and then also puts out some choice pop 45s by
Bread's James Griffin, a whole slew of Sonny Curtis 45s, and a
couple of psychedelic 45s by the Sound Sandwich (one of which is
a trippy acid-drenched monster!). Kenny Loggins was a member of
the Second Helping, who released 3 great garage-y 45s on Viva in
'66 & '67
It appears there were just the 42 x 7" releases between 1966 and
1972. I have a discography of the 45s that I can send as a jpeg
file to you directly, Phil.
I don't have an LP discography, but I know the Midnight String
Quartet put out at least two, Sonny Curtis did two - the latter of
which, from late 1969, was numbered 36021, which hints at 20+
other LPs at least...since one more was by the Spirit Of Us in
1970, and there was a decent psych album by the Travel Agency in
1968.
That's about it on that subject...from me.
Cheers, Jules
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:51:25 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Gay Songs
Keith Moore:
> A good account of lots of gay (or possibly gay) songs can be
> found in "Rock On The Wild Side" by Wayne Studer, published
> in 1994. He includes "House of the Rising Sun" and pretty much
> anything else you could think of (although not "Getting A Drag"
> or the Dickies slightly bizarre punk track "Going Homo").
Hey, at the risk of pointing out the obvious ... what about
Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band?
The specific cuts I would have in mind are "We Are Normal"
(which, as we know, does not preclude "digging" Bert Weedon)
and "What Do You Do?" (as an answer to the question "What
exactly do you people do, anyway?"). One could name any
number of other cuts, however. "You Done My Brain In,"
f'rinstance, with its "Looking like a muscle man, / You
crawled out of a swamp."
It doesn't exactly spell "Spectropop," but it is of the era
and of much the same hollerin' ground as Ray Davies.
I know that, when I had my copy of the "Gorilla" album and
saw the booklet's photo of Vivian Stanshall, with its little
train engine emitting clouds that read "Ich bin" and "I am"
and "Je suis," it was certainly the most "out" thing my
teenaged eyes had ever seen ...
Chris
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:09:09 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: La di da
John:
> OK, what was the song that went la di da, oh boy, let's go,
> cha cha cha? (This is not a test...for some reason, this song
> popped into my mind with this thread)
Stuart Miller replied:
> "Lucky Lady Bug" by Crewe/Slay. Sung by the 4 Seasons. Maybe.
Yes and no. The song quoted is actually "La Dee Dah" by Billie and
Lillie, a #9 hit in 1958. Their follow-up single was "Lucky Ladybug,"
which reached #14 almost exactly a year later. Both are very much
cut from the same Latin-influenced cha-cha cloth.
Both songs were remade by The Four Seasons on their "Sherry" album
in late 1962. And I oughtta know, because this was the very first
album I ever bought.
There've been a few others since then!
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:14:23 EST
From: Scott
Subject: Re : The End of Albums
Tony Baylis wrote:
> .....I do feel that equally as important, if not more so,
> was the removal from the market of the 45.
Darn do I miss 45s ... I was showing some to my 13 year old and
he thought they were mutated CDs ... time flies.
Scott
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:26:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Philip Hall
Subject: Lost Records
A week or so ago someone posted a link for Lost Records.
The link was something like http://lostrecords.tripod.com
but obviously that's not it exactly. Does anyone remember
the exact link?
Phil Hall
Clay, NY
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:45:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: La di da
John:
> OK, what was the song that went la di da, oh boy,
> let's go, cha cha cha?
Art Longmire:
> I thought it was a song by Art and Dottie Todd -
> whose title I cannot for the life of me remember. Oh,
> well - I'm probably wrong anyway.
Billie and Lillie on Swan (4020).
Tom Taber
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:18:31 +1030
From: Norman
Subject: Lynn Brigg's update on Mike Smith
Hi Spectropoppers,
Here is Lynn Brigg's update on Mike Smith.
Cheers,
Norman
====================================================
Just got back from a LONG weekend away with far too
much travelling involved, but it was worth it to see
Mike and Charlie. Mike is still in very good spirits
and seems to be progressing. His bed is surrounded by
cards and photographs sent in by his many fans and
friends around the world. A quick count came up with
122 cards! Charlie read every single card out to Mike
along with every letter that they also had received. I
know they want to thank you all and I'm sure Charlie
will be doing that herself in the next few days. Along
with John and I were Roz Foster from the RTF and her
husband Norm, Lenny Davidson, John Mackswith and Mike's
friends Peter and Lavinia with their baby son Lucas.
Mike received lots of gifts, many of which will be
really useful to him while he is still in hospital.
Charlie got him a nice birthday cake which
unfortunately he couldn't eat himself, but his guests
made short work of it!
We all stayed for a number of hours and Lenny was
standing on a chair helping me hang the cards up. Once
again Mike, Lenny and John had some laughs about the
"good times" and Mike really seemed to enjoy the day.
We visited him again for a few hours this morning
before we had to leave for the long journey home.
The staff are excellent although they were a bit
bemused to see so many cards being displayed around
his bed. We hope to visit him again over the Christmas
period so any late birthday cards and/or Christmas
cards will still get to him.
Lynn
=====
Support the "Royal Theatrical Fund" Charity which is helping
Mike after his accident. Email me for info or visit:
http://www.trtf.com/
Mike Smith/Lenny Davidson Official Website and Magazine:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Theater/9169/index2.html
Official Messageboard: http://www.voy.com/14321/
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:59:21 -0000
From: Scott Charbonneau
Subject: Re: R. I. P. Tom Wilson
Phil M:
> Wilson died in 1978, of a heart attack. The Advocate obit must have
> been about someone else with the same name.
Besides, did not John Cale, when recalling the White Light/White Heat
sessions, observe that Wilson was more concerned with which blonde he
was going to screw next?
Scott
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:59:21 -0700 (MST)
From: That Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Put The Clock Back On The Wall
Jeff Lemlich, regarding CC and the Chasers' version of "Hey Put
The Clock Back On The Wall", no Jeff, I'm not familiar with that
version. However it gave me an idea for a follow up: "Hey, Put
My Name Back On Those Songs"!!! I did of course write both sides
with Garry Bonner. Is their version any good?
Best,
That Alan
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:56:24 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Levy & Lennon
Steve Harvey wrote:
> Actually you can't use the Beatles line "I'd rather see you dead
> little girl than to be with another man" because it was swiped
> from one of Elvis' Sun sides, "Baby Let's Play House", I think (!?)
> How come nobody sued them over using that line, but got Lennon for
> the "here comes old flattop"?
Lennon's mistake was that the toes he stepped on happened to belong
long, stock and barrel to Morris Levy. Frankly I don't think Levy had
much of a legal case behind him on that one, but Lennon, in the midst
of all sorts of immigration and other legal troubles already, relented
rather than add another to his mix. I for one was pleased with the
result of his settlement with Levy, his "Rock 'n' roll" album (although
an emotionally wrenching and absurdly Spectorized outtake of "Be My Baby"
exceeded anything on the actual release). How do others feel about that
album?
--Phil M.
P.S. Anybody catch the Solomon Burke piece on 60 Minutes this past
Sunday? Or Joss Stone on Asinine O'Brien Monday night?
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:06:08 -0800
From: Steve Bonilla
Subject: Re: Run For Your Life
Previously:
> How come nobody sued them over using that line, but got Lennon
> for the "here comes old flattop"?
The verse melody of "Come Together" is basically "You Can't
Catch Me" slowed down. It wasn't just the line. It was the line
used with the melody that got John popped.
Steve Bonilla
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