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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. 60sgaragebands.com Update - January
From: Mike Dugo
2. Re: Michael Brown / The Cherry People
From: Austin Roberts
3. The Cherry People / The Hangmen
From: Rat Pfink
4. Re: Patsy Cline
From: Mike McKay
5. Re: I'll Be Back
From: Austin Roberts
6. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update.
From: Martin Roberts
7. Re: Debbie Campbell
From: Mark T
8. More Bonner & Gordon tunes
From: Jeff Lemlich
9. Re: Michael Brown, Left Banke, Stories, etc...
From: Mike McKay
10. Dolphin; lyrics in context; Heartbeats/Dubs
From: Country Paul
11. Re: Tootie & The Bouquets
From: Phil Chapman
12. Le Petit Prince and the Short Guys.
From: Julio Niño
13. Re: The Cherry People / The Hangmen
From: Jeff Lemlich
14. Re: Ed Cobb
From: Mick Patrick
15. Re: Jerry Fuller
From: Austin Roberts
16. Re: Dolphin
From: Bryan
17. Re: Ricky Ticky Ta Ta Ta, Johnny Cymbal, Jerome Brothers
From: Austin Roberts
18. Beatles/ Covers
From: Simon White
19. Re: Dolphin; lyrics in context; Heartbeats/Dubs
From: Austin Roberts
20. Re: Gilbert O'Sullivan
From: Peter Kearns
21. Re: 60sgaragebands.com Update - January
From: Austin Roberts
22. Re: Manhattans - Kiss And Say Goodbye
From: Peter Kearns
23. Re: The Cherry People / The Hangmen
From: Austin Roberts
24. Re: Michael Brown / The Cherry People
From: JJ
25. Re: Bobby Vee
From: Austin Roberts
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:45:20 -0600
From: Mike Dugo
Subject: 60sgaragebands.com Update - January
60sgaragebands.com's first update for 2004 is now online.
Featured are interviews with Marty Tryon and Bob Corff of
The Purple Gang ("One Of The Bunch"); Jay Snyder of
Euphoria's Id ("Deception's Ice); and Norm Prinsky of The
Rumors ("Hold Me Now").
Check it out at http://www.60sgaragebands.com.
As always, comments and feedback are welcomed and encouraged.
Thanks.
Mike Dugo
60sgaragebands.com
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:56:59 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Michael Brown / The Cherry People
Justin,
I remember the Hangmen. Also a group that played the Bayou
thru the 60's. Did great soundalike (BeeGees etc). I'm not
sure who comprised the Cherry People but I had it in my mind
that Michael Brown may have been involved.
I appreciate your checking the album for me.
Austin
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:10:52 -0500
From: Rat Pfink
Subject: The Cherry People / The Hangmen
Justin McDevitt wrote:
> For clarification, are you referring to the same Cherry People
> some or all of whose members were also members of The Hangmen, a
> Washington D.C. area based group from 1965-66?
The Hangmen and The Cherry People were both from DC but
I don't think any (definitely not all) of The Hangmen
ended up in The Cherry People, based on the personnel
listed on their respective LPs anyway.
Bob Berberich of The Hangmen was later a member of Grin
with Nils Lofgren.
Rat Pfink
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:19:14 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Patsy Cline
Phil Hall wrote:
> Anyway, they knew a few lesser Nashville stars and had picked
> up a demo 45 by Patsy Cline called "If You Don't Believe I'm
> Leaving, Just Count The Days I'm Gone". I'm almost positive it
> was on the black Mercury label. I later found out that it was
> a cover of an Eddie Marshall tune.
> Does anyone have or remember this song?
My first thought was that you might have heard the blues/country/
western swing standard "Milk Cow Blues," which contains the line
you cited. But I'm unable to find any reference to Patsy recording
this song (though she did record such western swing standards as
"San Antonio Rose" and "Faded Love").
Patsy was never on the Mercury label. She was first on Four Star,
then switched to Decca and hit it big with "Walking After Midnight".
There's a 104-track anthology put out by the Country Music Foundation
that allegedly contains all of her Decca recordings and some of her
Four-Star ones. You'll find a track listing here:
http://thinks.com/cgi-bin/music/music.pl/item-B000002OIE/cds.htm
So if it really was Patsy, then your theory about it being recorded
but never making it past demo stage to actual release is as plausible
as any.
Mike
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:07:19 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: I'll Be Back
Hey Justin,
I missed your cousin Frank by a year; I was at the 'infamous'
Parris Island during the summer of love,1967. It was no resort.
Take care,
Austin Roberts
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:37:52 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update.
A small update this week but there is plenty in the pipeline :-)
The new Record Of The Week playing on the home page is the
Cascades' "Main Street":
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
The choice for next week is between two very obscure instrumentals:
the Cooperstown Volunteers Band or Greensleeves.
KHJ Jingle # 9, "Wild Side", is playing at Jack Nitzsche on
the Radio: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm
Martin
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:23:19 -0000
From: Mark T
Subject: Re: Debbie Campbell
I don't really know much about her [Debbie Campbell] and I
haven't even able to find a follow-up record. I believe she
was in a group prior to the solo record but its name escapes me.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:10:39 -0500
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: More Bonner & Gordon tunes
Now playing in musica: "Hey Put The Clock Back On The Wall"/
"Two And Twenty" by CC & The Chasers (Cori 31010). Many of
you will recognize "Clock" as the Bonner-Gordon song that was
also recorded by the likes of the E-Types and the Parrots (who
"all got carried away"). For some reason, only Bonner is
credited as the writer of the songs!
If anyone has any information about C.C. & The Chasers, please
feel free to share it with the group.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
P.S. There is an article about my web site/music research in
the Broward & Palm Beach editions of the New Times, which can
be viewed here:
http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2003-12-18/music.html/1/index.html
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:25:36 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Michael Brown, Left Banke, Stories, etc...
Doug wrote:
> Also, a few bits about Harry Lookofsky, Michael Brown's dad.
> He's credited on several Reparata & the Delrons records (at
> least the World Artists and RCA singles I have) as "Hash Brown
> and his Orchestra". The writer's credit to the flip of "Whenever
> A Teenager Cries", "He's My Guy" is listed as "H. Brown, S. Jerome,
> W. Jerome". If you want to see a picture of Harry, look in the
> booklet of your Burt Bacharach box set (you've all got it, right?)
> on page 84, and see Harry's smiling face and his name listed in
> the photo details.
Harry (as Hash Brown) and Steve Jerome are also pictured on the
back cover of the "Whenever a Teenager Cries" album by Reparta
and the Delrons. And you can see him a few years later on the
back of Stories' self-titled debut album, posing with his son
Michael Brown, lead singer Ian Lloyd, and someone who I assume
must be Lloyd's dad. Both of the older gentlemen are holding
violins and are credited with playing on the album. (This may
also possibly be the only photo in existence of Michael Brown
smiling!)
Mike McKay
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:04:56 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Dolphin; lyrics in context; Heartbeats/Dubs
Bryan:
> John Dolphin owned Dolphin's of Hollywood....One of
> his slogans was "We'll record you today and have you
> a hit tonight," but he conspicuously failed to deliver
> on the second half of the promise....
Bryan, thank you for the excellent history. There was a hit
by The Larks (actually Don Julian and the Meadowlarks) on
Cash in '62 or '63, "The Jerk"; was that the same label
under somone else's auspices?
Phil M, re: Claire:
> I remember the "buzz" at the time was that it was about a
> babysitter, although in hindsight I'm not sure that that
> quite "excuses" it. (In other words, a lyric like that would
> NEVER fly in today.)
Regarding the Great Lyric Debate, It's amazing how time modifies
context. Dave Dudley (who just died, unfortunately) in "Six Days
On The Road" (Golden Ring, 1963) sang, "I'm takin' little white
pills and my eyes are open wide", which was - and probably is -
common among truckers. When Sawyer Brown redid it two decades later,
the lyrics was sanitized to "I'm passing little white lines...."
Maybe it should have been "I'm tootin' little white lines...."
But talk about NOT PC!
Andrew Jones:
> Normally, I have a high tolerance for bad rhymes and bad lyrics.
> But in all my years of listening, there is only one song that
> has ever made me shout, "Stupid!" That song is the country standard
> "Long Black Veil", recorded by numerous acts, including Johnny Cash
> and The Band (I first heard it on The Band's "Music from Big Pink"
> album). And oddly enough, what made me shout "Stupid!" wasn't the
> lyrics themselves...but the situation the lyrics describe. A man
> allowing himself to be convicted and executed for a crime he didn't
> commit, just to keep secret his affair with his friend's wife?
> "Stupid!"
Extreme to be sure, but in the context of the era, less so than
now. (There's that "context" thing again.) It's also the source
of the humor. Your mention brings up a major "want" for me: the
Nashville Street Singers' version, c. 1962 on Capitol. The group
was "the other" background group in Nashville (The Anita Kerr
Singers were "the" group) and I believe group leader Marijohn
Wilkin ("Ronny Daytona"'s mother) was a co-writer. The tongue-in
-cheek desperation of this performance captures the essence of the
song perfectly, in my opinion. (Does anyone have this available to
be posted to musica, please? I'm thinking maybe Nick Archer, from
his base in Nashville, might be able to help - hint, hint!)
I'm off to see The Heartbeats ("A Thousand Miles Away," "Crazy For
You", "Down On My Knees", Roulette, mid-late '50's), the precessor
group of Shep & The Limelites ("Daddy's Home" [no-longer-PC title?],
Our Anniversary," Hull Records, early '60's). It's their 50th
anniversary reunion concert. 4 of the original 5 will be there;
James "Shep" Sheppard died many years ago, but the brother of one
of the other singers is filling in on lead, so it should be pretty
authentic. (There is a gorgeous version of "Crazy For You" by the
Aquatones [Fargo, 1960 single], "New York's version" of the Teddy
Bears, on their CD anthology on Relic, but the song is not on the
original Fargo album.) Also, the Dubs ("Could This Be Magic," "Chapel
of Dreams," "Be Sure My Love," Gone Records, late 50's) are on the
bill, although with lead singer Richard Barrett (also the actual
producer of the Chantels) no longer alive I'm sure their sound will
be quite different.
Rockin' in every era, and still catching up,
Country Paul
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:37:03 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: Tootie & The Bouquets
Jimmy Crescitelli:
> does anyone think the lead sounds like Little Eva? Could Tootie
> & her Bouquets be Eva and the Cookies? The phrasing,
> pronunciation... that sounds like Eva to me.
Mick Patrick:
> How right you are! It does sound remarkably like not only Little
> Eva but also the Cookies. I've posted the track to musica:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ What does
> anyone else think? Little Eva? Or Memorex? Alas, Eva is dead, so
> we can't ask her. Maybe John Clemente could ask one or other of
> the Cookies for us?
Hi guys, I went through some old tapes and found I have a version
of "The Conqueror" before the final layer of vocals was added
(presumably on top of the mono mix). The lead vocal is single-tracked
and may be easier to identify. I used to think I was good at this,
but I'll avoid putting my foot in it:-) Have a listen:
http://www.amajor.com/tootie
Phil
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:33:04 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Le Petit Prince and the Short Guys.
Ian Chapman wrote:
> I've just played to musica a French track from the mid-60s by a
> kid singer named Le Petit Prince...
Jolie song. The voice of the kid reminds me of Sylvie Vartan. He
sounds so desperate and adorable that it makes me wish to give him
a gift. I want to Thank Ian for playing it in musica.
Mick Patrick wrote about "The Conqueror" by Tootie and her Bouquets:
> All you short guys be sure to listen, this one's for you.
I'm a short guy, so this song is for me (I will add it to my list
of short guys songs: "Short Mort" by Carole King, "Tune for Short
Cowboys" by the Outlaws, ... ).
Felices Navidades a todos (Happy Christmas to Everyone).
Julio Niño.
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:56:35 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: The Cherry People / The Hangmen
Justin McDevitt wrote:
> For clarification, are you referring to the same Cherry People
> some or all of whose members were also members of The Hangmen,
> a Washington D.C. area based group from 1965-66?
If I recall correctly, the Cherry People came out of a different
D.C.-area band, The English Setters (who had recorded for Glad-Hamp
and Jubilee). I'm not aware of any connection between the Cherry
People and Left Banke, other than the Cherry People covering the
song "And Suddenly".
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:49:09 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Ed Cobb
Tony Baylis:
> I feel it most important that we should never forget that Ed
> Cobb, along with Lincoln Mayorga, gave us the Piltdown Men.
> Great instrumentals even if they did come along as
> instrumentals were falling out of favour. Brontosaurus Stomp,
> MacDonald's Cave, Piltdown Rides Again and the Great Imposter
> still provide much pleasure forty years (Ouch!) after their
> release ...
I agree, Ed Cobb was a talented guy. But the Four Preps? No thank
you very much. The Standells? Not my style either, thanks anyway.
The Piltdown Men? Take them away, they're not for me either.
No - in my book, Ed Cobb should be remembered as the man who
produced Ketty Lester's classic "Love Letters" and wrote the
magnificent "Every Little Bit Hurts" for Brenda Holloway. For
a year or two he could do no wrong in my eyes, with a series of
compositions for some fab voiced West Coast larks. Off the top
of my head, here's a list of just some of the songs he wrote,
all of which I can strongly recommend:
Every Little Bit Hurts - Brenda Holloway
The Touch Of Venus - Sandy Wynns
Heartbeat - Gloria Jones
I'll Always love You - Brenda Holloway
West Coast - Ketty Lester
Run One Fight Of Stairs - Gloria Jones
Tainted Love - Gloria Jones
Yes I Really love You - Sandy Wynns
I've posted one other to musica: "I'll Be Looking Back" by Ketty
Lester, released on Tower 166 in 1965. Take a listen, it's great:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:57:44 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Jerry Fuller
steveo writes:
> Met Jerry Fuller in his office in Hollywood years ago. He
> was a wonderful person to talk to, very personable. Besides,
> he said I sang good! lol
Hey Steveo,
If Jerry said you could sing then you probably can. Jerry really
is a great,unassuming guy. The thing that killed me about him is
that he made a great Beatles soundalike with The Knickerbockers
'Lies',which was different from anything else I ever heard him
produce. The Knickerbockers were very talented guys from NJ who
I got to know in North Hollywood in 1969 when we all lived in the
same apartment building. Buddy Randall (Crandall), the lead singer,
was also one of the Royal Teens (with Bob Gaudio): Short Shorts,
Big Name Button and a really obscure one called Harvey's Got A
Girlfriend,but you probably already knew that.
Good talking with you,
Austin
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:50:26 -0800
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: Dolphin
Country Paul wrote:
> There was a hit by The Larks (actually Don Julian and
> the Meadowlarks) on Cash in '62 or '63, "The Jerk";
> was that the same label under somone else's auspices?
Well, I went to All Music Guide, and lo and behold,
realized that I'd written a bio on Don Julian for AMG
a few years back. And so, I'll quote from it:
"Three months after leaving Dynamite, Julian's single
"The Jerk" was released on Money. It was the first to be
credited to the Larks (not to be confused with other groups
who also used the name, including Eugene Mumford's Larks)."
Perhaps the single was released on both Cash and Money?
Bryan
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:38:18 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Ricky Ticky Ta Ta Ta, Johnny Cymbal, Jerome Brothers
Martin Roberts writes:
> You're credited as writer of both sides, how did your
> connection with the Jeromes come about? Did you turn
> up at their door with sheaves of songs and say, "Go on,
> make me a star", or did they spot you? And what was it
> like working with them?
Hey Martin (the other Mr. Roberts),
I appreciate the remarks on Ricki Ticki Ta Ta Ta.
I met Bill and Steve Jerome through a writing deal I had at
the time with ABC's Pub. Co.; Terry Cashman played the Jeromes
my demo of what became my first single on Phillips, Mary And
Me, and the Jeromes liked it and offered me a deal. They were
terrific to work with,especially since I was as green as a pea.
They were entirely different from each other but balanced each
other very well. Terry Cashman was another great help to me in
the beginning of my career.
> The site really does have some incredibly knowledgeable people
> on it but the input from folk such as yourself, Mike, Alan,
> Artie, Al, James, Carol etc etc who actually made the records
> is a major factor in Spectropop being so special.
Thanks,I'm having a ball talking to people like yourself. There
really are some folks on the site that are reminding me of some
great times and answering a lot of obscure question that only
those who love the music could know.
> Thanks for sharing your comments on Johnny Cymbal, good to hear
> of his sense of humour. There can't be many who hear Mr. Bassman
> without a grin on their face.
> Johnny was a kid when he did Bassman and he was funny then. By
> the time he was a little older he was hilarious.
Look forward to talking with you again,
The 'other other' Mr. Roberts
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:20:07 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Beatles/ Covers
Richard Williams wrote -
> 1. Late entries for great Beatles covers: Roy Redmond's "Good Day
> Sunshine", J.J.Barnes' "Day Tripper" and two versions of "I've Just
> Seen a Face", by the Dillards and Holly Cole.
J.J.'s version of "Day Tripper" is fantastic ! better than Otis's.
No ones mentioned the Detroit singers name on Spectropop yet to my
knowledge - so thanks Richard for bringing him up. J.J.'s voice is
a particular favourite of mine. His early recordings feature Martha
And The Vandellas of course.
Keeping it detroit and soulful (ish) how about Mary Wells Album
"Love Songs To The Beatles" and The Supremes "A Little Bit Of
Liverpool". Or in a girl group/Northern Soul vein, The Baby Dolls
"Got To Get You Into My Life" or the great great version of "Help"
by Clara Ward?
And as a personal indulgence, Little Richard's version of "I
Saw Her Standing There", The Beatles tribute to Larry Williams
and therefore by default a tribute to Richard.
Now how about Motown covers by other artists?
--
Simon
Get Down, Get with it.
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:15:23 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Dolphin; lyrics in context; Heartbeats/Dubs
Phil M, re: Claire:
> I remember the "buzz" at the time was that it was about a
> babysitter, although in hindsight I'm not sure that that
> quite "excuses" it. (In other words, a lyric like that would
> NEVER fly in today.)
I heard somewhere that Claire was Gilbert's very young niece
and there was nothing weird about it.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:23:20 -0000
From: Peter Kearns
Subject: Re: Gilbert O'Sullivan
Albabe Gordon wrote:
> I'm assuming I'm the constipated one here, Stuart.
> You're "defending" an artist you thought was "...the
> most boring and dullest performers ever to emerge from
> anywhere?"
> Anyway. I like a lot of O'Sullivan's stuff.
I couldn't agree with Al more. Long live the days when music
got through because those doing it actually 'could'. And
Gilbert was definitely one of these. Let us consider for a
moment the barren pop wasteland of the very early 70s; Great
songs like 'Alone Again Naturally' and 'Clair' stuck out like
a sore thumb whilst having to compete with one or two individuals
like Elton John. Elton has even been quoted as attributing great
inspiration to O'Sullivan at the time, and Elton was at the peak
of his musical powers then.
It would seem that maybe the guys with trousers resembling a coat
of arms, whilst simultaneously displaying overly fluffy hair, get
the bad rap.
Alas, at least the latter is something I for one can gradually be
considered innocent of. :-)
Happy New Year.
Peter.
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:41:21 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: 60sgaragebands.com Update - January
Hey Mike,
Do you know anything about a 60's group called the Lafayettes,
who had a small hit with a song called Life's Too Short?
Austin Roberts
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:26:08 -0000
From: Peter Kearns
Subject: Re: Manhattans - Kiss And Say Goodbye
Tony wrote:
> but in 1976 I believe it safe to say a few eyebrows would have been
> raised ... The B side is also Rated X - I Kinda Missed You.
Is the x-rated version of Kiss And Say Goodbye the full version
as opposed to the single just being an edit of it? Or is it a
totally different recording?
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:30:44 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: The Cherry People / The Hangmen
Thanks for that. Great info.
Does anybody know the name of the group in DC that played as
house band at the Bayou (and I think may have owned the club
with their manager?
Austin Roberts
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:41:28 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Re: Michael Brown / The Cherry People
Austin Roberts wrote:
> I remember the Hangmen. Also a group that played the Bayou
> thru the 60's. Did great soundalike (BeeGees etc). I'm not
> sure who comprised the Cherry People but I had it in my mind
> that Michael Brown may have been involved.
> I appreciate your checking the album for me.
**Cherry People recorded a cover version of "And Suddenly",
i.e. CP's first 45, '68, and it's also included on their
self-titled '68 LP......that's the only "link" I can dig up
between Left Banke and CP.
JJ
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:03:50 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Bobby Vee
I loved Suzy Baby by Bobby Vee,which was a local hit where
he lived and then (somebody help me here), I think, was
rereleased and went to the mid charts.
Austin
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