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There are 28 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Stupid songs...and stupider still..
From: C Ponti
2. Re: Picardy
From: Clark Besch
3. Re: Christopher Neil
From: Patrick Beckers
4. Louis Phillipe
From: Wayne Short
5. Re: Vinyl Junkies
From: Eddy
6. Re: Iveys
From: Eddy
7. Re: Bob Gallo - sixties productions
From: Eddy
8. Re: Neon Philharmonic: madness or genius?
From: Cleber
9. James Butler / The Daughters Of Eve
From: Mick Patrick
10. Re: Worst hit performance; Angel Baby (Again)
From: John Sellards
11. Re: Stereo 45s / Brian Wilson
From: MopTop Mike
12. Chiffons on screen
From: MopTop Mike
13. Re: Mary In The Morning
From: Mike Rashkow
14. Re: Spector story
From: C. Ponti
15. Re: Spine-shiver moments
From: David Cottis
16. Re: Scooby-Doo
From: Austin Roberts
17. Hello Muddah
From: Ed Rambeau
18. Re: Mary In The Morning
From: Artie Wayne
19. Chiffons on screen
From: Clark Besch
20. RE: Good Morning Starshine
From: Ed Rambeau
21. Girl Group Video
From: Bob
22. Re: Virginia Wolves
From: Austin Roberts
23. Re: Concrete & Clay
From: Ed Rambeau
24. Austin Roberts - Upbeat TV show.
From: Austin Roberts
25. So Nice
From: Steve Harvey
26. Re: Ed Rambeau/Diane Renay
From: Fred Clemens
27. Re: Concrete & Clay
From: steveo
28. Re: Concrete and Clay
From: Ed Rambeau
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:26:33 -0000
From: C Ponti
Subject: Re: Stupid songs...and stupider still..
Phil Hall wrote:
> What's the most nonsensical song you've ever heard,
> other than something like "Ne Ne Na Na Na Na Nu Nu"?
> I'll start it off by nominating "Toom Toom (Is A Little Boy)"
> by Marie Applebee.
Paul Bryant wrote:
> Well, of course there's the mighty "Surfin' Bird" by the Trashmen
> - hard to beat for sheer lunacy - what were they thinking of? But
> I'm glad they did. Then from the same year, I think, one of my
> personal faves, "The Martian Hop" by the Ran-Dells,
> which has developed a contemporary resonance :
>
> We have just discovered an important note from space
> The Martians want to throw a dance for all the human race
>
> - that could be a NASA press release.
How about "Somethin' Stupid"? Would that qualify? Did you know it was
authored by Carson Parks, brother of Van Dyke? There was "Babysitting
Boogie", which I am sorry to admit I bought. "Flyin' Purple People
Eaters" was cetainly far from Robert Benchley in sophistication. I
remember kind of liking "Leader Of The Laundromat". That surely passes
"stupid" muster!
Stupidly, C
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 06:13:16 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Picardy
Billy G. Spradlin wrote:
> Whover posted Picardy's "5:30 Plane" thanks - great song. I
> downloaded it a few days ago, played it several times and it stuck
> in my head all afternoon while shopping. (even listening to the radio
> couldnt drown it out)
>
> BTW did Picardy ever release an LP? All I have heard was this track
> and "Montage" (both Jimmy Webb songs).
Billy, It was me, your old KEYN/KLEO buddy, Clark, who posted the
Picardy song. I like it a lot too. I'm pretty sure all they had
were the 2 45s for Dunhill--no Lp.
Clark
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:27:44 +0100
From: Patrick Beckers
Subject: Re: Christopher Neil
csasml2007 wrote:
> One of the greatest albums of the early 70s was Christopher Neil
> - Where I Belong. It's a singer-songwriter and his LP was
> released by RAK
Great album indeed. I have it in my collection as well
> There a producer with the same name but I don't have a clue
> if are the same guy. He produced Sheena Easton in early 80s.
As far as I know it's one and the same guy!
Patrick Beckers
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:12:21 -0000
From: Wayne Short
Subject: Louis Phillipe
On the tail of Kingsley Abott's reference to his Azure album I'd also
recommend Louis Phillipe's 'A Kiss In The Fun House' album as a genuine
homage to the master, Brian Wilson. Add to that Chris Rainbow's 'Over My
Shoulder', Chris White's 'Mouth Music' and Peter Lacey's 'Thru A
Glass Brightly' and you have one heluva treasure house from the land
of Wilsonia.
best
Wayne Short
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:41:44 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Vinyl Junkies
Stewart Mason wrote:
> if someone handed me a sealed first-state butcher cover copy of
> YESTERDAY AND TODAY, the first thing I'd do is rip it open and
> play "And Your Bird Can Sing" very loudly four or five times in
> a row. Records are meant to be played, not secreted away!
I wonder if you'd have that same attitude after you paid a couple
of grand for your sealed copy... ;)
Eddy
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:31:11 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Iveys
Eddy wrote:
> Does anybody have the scoop on what happened to the Iveys
> LP ? Cancelled in the UK, no US issue or anywhere else
> for that matter, except an extremely limited amount of
> copies of Germany and Italy.
Country Paul wrote:
> Has it ever found its way to CD?
Yes, including 4 bonus tracks. But just like with the other
Apple cd's... if you blinked, you missed them !
Eddy
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:29:52 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Bob Gallo - sixties productions
Davie Gordon wrote:
> Here's a partial list of his credits - I think his earliest
> work was on the New York sessions by (former Beatle) Pete Best
> that turned up on labels like Mr.Maestro and Cameo but I don't
> have any hard info. I'm sure one of the Beatles' experts can
> confirm if this is true.
The Best of The Beatles album on Savage Records gives a
Producer & Arranger credit for Bob Gallo, which is about
all I can find. Maybe there's a further credit on the 45's,
but I don't have those. Reportedly almost 40 tracks were
recorded in New York with Gallo. Although there is no credit
on the album The Beatle that time forgot, these previously
unreleased songs are supposed to be from those same sessions.
Eddy
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:25:55 -0000
From: Cleber
Subject: Re: Neon Philharmonic: madness or genius?
Jeff Lemlich wrote:
> The Rhino 2-CD set has everything the Neons recorded with Don
> Gant/Tupper Saussy except their TRX label single. Later Neon
> Philharmonic singles were with replacement players. I can play
> "Love Will Find A Way" on TRX to musica if there's interest.
I've got many interest in this track that you mentioned. The Neon
Philharmonic it's one of my favourites groupsand i've got many
interest in these two 45's that they records after leaving the WB.
Can you play "Love Will Find A Way" to musica ?
Thanks Very Much
Cleber
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:57:26 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: James Butler / The Daughters Of Eve
James Holvay:
> ... Jimmy Peterson & James Butler were one and the same person.
> He was a singer, entertainer, songwriter and a pretty creative
> guy in general...
Hi James,
Thanks so much for even more Kane & Abel minutiae. As you know,
their "He Will Break Your Heart" is a much-worshipped record here
on planet S'pop.
I've seen your old colleague James Butler's name on a couple of
records by the Daughters Of Eve, an all-girl band from Chicago.
They were managed by Carl Bonafede, who also managed your friends
the Buckinghams. Did you ever meet the Daughters? If so, any
memories to share? Their drummer Debi and I are putting together
a small article about this group for the S'pop website. All help
gratefully received.
To whet everyone's appetite, I've posted one of their 45s to musica:
"Symphony Of My Soul" (USA 891, 1967), written by James Butler,
produced by Carl Bonafede and James Butler. A nice example of "pop
go the classics", it might appeal to fans of the Toys' "Lovers'
Concerto": http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:35:22 -0000
From: John Sellards
Subject: Re: Worst hit performance; Angel Baby (Again)
> right one (down half a step). This could have been intentional,
> but what follows certainly isn't: the first arpeggio has a
> clinker, Rosie
I've had this discussion about this before; I really don't think
that the fourth note of the arpeggio is a mistake; it's the note
that's a minor third of the scale played against a major chord,
which is the same tonal combination that has shown up everywhere
from "Purple Haze" to "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" by Flatt & Scruggs!
I'd bet he knew what he was doing, as he easily sounds like the most
confident musician of the bunch. At least on "Angel Baby", since I
haven't listened to "Give Me Love" in about 10 years, though - maybe
I need to refresh my memory about their abilities.
John Sellards
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:42:16 -0000
From: MopTop Mike
Subject: Re: Stereo 45s / Brian Wilson
Joe Nelson wrote:
> I did some research into this a few years ago: it appears "A Beautiful
> Morning" was the first Top 40 45 whose standard stock issue was stereo
> (actually compatable stereo, wherein the right channel is thrown 90
> degrees out of phase in order to phase down the "center channel" when
> the record is played on monaral equipment). "Rice Is Nice" was released
> first but didn't chart in the Billbopard Top 40.
Robert R. Radil:
> My original 1968 single is the standard normal stereo. BTW - It was the
> first stereo single I ever got. Although my vinyl copy is stereo, I
> seem to recall back then seeing in the store some plastic copies that
> were mono. The label still said stereo.
There are pressings of "A Beautiful Morning" that are not stereo or the
"CS compatible stereo", as Bob stated. I have copies of all three,
including the stereo copy that plays mono. The benefit of the stereo and
CS versions is that the vinyl used for the pressings is top-quality,
yielding a non-noisy sound. The mono pressing I have, while in almost
mint condition, plays with some noise due to the lower quality vinyl.
Mike
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:04:17 -0000
From: MopTop Mike
Subject: Chiffons on screen
You can watch the Chiffons sitting in Central Park Zoo, I think,
singing "Nobody Knows..."etc. in the Frank Slay bankrolled
film/flick 'Disco-Tek Holiday'. The film is actually an excuse to
promote groups via film clips, which include the Chiffons, Freddie &
The Dreamers, The Rockin' Ramrods, the Vagrants (a waycool clip of
them lip-synching by a swimming pool performing their 1st 45, "Oh
Those Eyes"), and lots of obscure Brit groups like A Band Of Angels,
The Orchids...all of these are based around a flimsy plot featuring
Casey Paxton - the teen idol type guy who recorded for Slay's
Claridge label in '65/66 - going from city to city with his
girlfriend, and stopping by the top radio stations trying to get his
latest record played, "East Is East". He sings it THREE times in the
movie - talk about overkill! There are clips of some all time great
DJ's in the film - Arnie Woo-Woo Ginsberg, introducing the Rockin
Ramrods backing Freddy Cannon at the Surf Club in Mass., and Jerry
Blavat, who is hosting a local TV dance show in Philly.
Mike
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:22:55 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Mary In The Morning
Mikey:
> I did not know Terry Cashman was involved. I had emailed Terry
> last year because i wanted to ask about a really rare 45 he put
> out in 1963 called 'Try Me". Got a lot of info on that record
> thanks to him. he's really had a nice career.
Thanks for your complimentary note on MITM. Terry Cashman (nee
Dennis Minogue) was the "professional manager" at Pamco Music that
signed me and Mikie Harris (before we were married), to staff
contracts. That company was the BMI wing of ABC/Paramount. Then
I brought Johnny Cymbal to meet him and he signed JC who had just
been dropped at South Mountain Music.
So, in every way was Terry is responsible for Mary In The Morning.
He gave me a shot as a writer at a time when I think I had
completed maybe 4 or 5 songs and he provided the basis for John
and I to write together. He was a laid back, very easy guy to work
for.
Terry and Tommy West (Picardo) and Gene Pistilli were already
writing together at Pamco. They came to the MITM demo session to
do the BG voices.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:10:02 -0000
From: C. Ponti
Subject: Re: Spector story
I heard this story such that in his sudden fear, he said "this
planes not gonna make it!". This was of course decades befor 9/11, so
he was simply allowed to deplane. I often think of that story when I
first get on a plane and begin to feel claustraphobic and wonder, "Am
I going to do a 'Phil'?"
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:56:17 +0000
From: David Cottis
Subject: Re: Spine-shiver moments
Frankie Valli's wordless line just after the instrumental break in
'Silence is Golden.'
David
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:11:46 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Scooby-Doo
> Here's my big question though -- Was "Scooby Snack" in
> any way euphemistic?
Hi David. Scooby snack was just a dog treat.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:07:33 -0000
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: Hello Muddah
I recently recorded a parody lyric I wrote on the old Alan Sherman
hit "Hello, Muddah, Hello Faddah" which I call "Hello, Muddah, Hello
Faddah 2004". If anyone has ample Email download space and would
like me to Email them an MP3 of it, I'd be more than happy to do so.
Just write to tarz55@aol.com and say please send "Hello, Muddah 2004".
Ed Rambeau
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:35:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Mary In The Morning
Mike.......I'm sure you're mystified by all of the positive responses
your'e getting to "Mary in the Morning". From your E-Mail I can see
that you have seriously underestemated the power of your song ......
since it came through you effortlessly.....and everything else seemed
to "fall into place."
If I were you I'd contact your publisher and ask him to get a copy to
country artists like Alan Jackson or Trace Adkins....I can see them
fighting over who should do it first!!
regards, Artie Wayne
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:36:26 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Chiffons on screen
Tony, I knew if I said I thought the video didn't exist, someone
would have it! I'm glad it is still out there. Would be cool to see,
since I listen to the reel tape and imagine what the video was like.
Kinda like radio, I guess. Anyway, Sylvia does a great vocal and the
less echoey cound is good too.
Thanks, Clark
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:35:51 -0000
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: RE: Good Morning Starshine
This is for the trivia buffs. Don't know how many of you
Spectropoppers know this, but Bob Crewe actually recorded the first
version of "Good Morning Starshine" with me and changed my name to
Eddie Hazleton for the release. The show "HAIR" had just opened so
the song was not accepted. The record had me singing along with a
bunch of kids doing silly answers. It bombed big time, of course.
When I moved to California, Bob rerecorded the song by taking off the
silly kids answers and putting Oliver's voice on the same identical
track. The rest is history. I'm sure my version (if it can be found
anywhere) is very valuable right now. So look for it guys.
Another bit of info for the trivia buffs is that while out in
Hollywood doing the Shindig show, the producers came to me and
offered me a position as a regular on the show along with Bobby
Sherman and Glenn Campbell. I, of course, was excited and
said, "Yes". A few weeks later...the show was pulled from the air.
And the 3rd and final story is regarding my recording of "Summertime
Guy". The record looked like it was going to take off big time.
Then, while in Chicago, getting ready to perform it on a TV show...I
was called into the control room and told that I'd have to perform
the "B" side of the record. Apparently they discovered that
Summertime Guy was written by Chuck Barris who was Vice-President of
ABC at the time and they considered it a conflict of interest.
Therefore, Summertime Guy was immediately pulled from all ABC Radio
and TV affiliates. Why the hell they didn't discover this when he
wrote Palisades Park is beyond me. But that one seemed to slip
through.
Forgot to mention that "Summetime Guy" went on to become the theme
song on the Newlywed Game which was a Chuck Barris Production.
Ed Rambeau
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:55:08 -0000
From: Bob
Subject: Girl Group Video
About 3 years ago PBS aired a concert titled "Hey La Hey La The Girl
Groups Are Back". Does anyone know where I can purchase the DVD or
VHS tape of this performance?
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:46:56 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Virginia Wolves
Mark wrote:
> Austin--The Virginia Wolves on ABC--were they the same
> Virginia Wolves who had a solitary single on Amy? The
> A-side was a nice uptempo version of "Stay", the B-side
> entitled "B.L.T".
Hi Mark,
I finally got info on my Virginia Wolves. It was a fellow
Virginian named Johnny Reese and myself who normally did
harder type music (rock and R&B) together in the Va.Beach
area with groups like Bill Deal and the Rhondells. The title
of Johnny's and my release was "Can't Believe That You're In
Love With Me" backed with "Rose Pedals Everwhere She Goes."
Came out in 1967.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:15:58 EST
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: Re: Concrete & Clay
Clark Besch wrote:
> I have video of you performing "Concrete & Clay" on Cleveland's
> syndicated "Upbeat" show, with a little conversation with host Don
> Webster, I believe. You seemed to have a good personality for TV.
> Anyway, welcome!!
> PS. No doubt you've heard "Concrete & Clay" recently on a TV
> commercial. What do you think of that?
Here's the complete story on "Concrete and Clay". Bob Crewe went to London
and returned with a demo of "Concrete and Clay" and thought it would be a good
song for me. The demo turned out to be the actual Unit 4 + 2's release on
London Records (I believe it was). The writers (who were also members of the
Unit 4 + 2) made a simple demo of the song and this demo was released AFTER my
release on Dynovoice. The demo contained simple orchestration. Charlie Calello
(arranger on my version) developed a more substantial arrangement adding
strings and a sensational guitar fill in the break.
Would love a copy of that video of the UPBEAT show, Clark. My Email address
is tarz55@aol.com.
And as far as "Concrete and Clay" being used in a national TV
commercial....it came as quite a surprise. But boy did I get the calls from
friends the minute it hit the air waves.
Thanks for the welcome.
Ed Rambeau
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:28:52 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Austin Roberts - Upbeat TV show.
Can't help but tell this story,though the jokes on me:
In 1968,I had my first release with Phillips Records (actually
my first real release,though I mentioned the Virginia Wolves
release when I was in the Marines and couldn't have helped
anyway) called Mary And Me. So the label sent me on a long
radio and TV promotion tour and one of the stops was Cleveland
to do interviews at radio staions and,most important, to do
Don Webster's upbeat show. Marv Johnson and Bobby Goldsboro
(who's a buddy now)were on the taping as well. (sorry to be
so verbose but I'm not proud of thepunch line,though,I guess
it was pretty funny).
I was sitting on some gym stand seats when my time came to tape.
Someone had worked out some choreography for this pretty girl
to be dancing around me while I sat on a stool and lipsanc
(weird word) the song. Then I was supposed to stand up near
the end and dance with her (remember it was mid 1968). OK, I
sat on the stool and the song started and the girl danced
and I lipsanc. When it was time for me to dance, I stood up
and the friggin' stool stood up with me at an almost 45 degree
angle. I had sat on a large glob of bubblegum in the stands
before I went on (you'd think a grown man of 22 would know
if he'd sat on that much bubblegum that clung to his pants).
Anyway, Don was great as he asked me something about how did
I do that and I told him that part of my act was magic.
I don't know if it made the show but Webster and the kids
broke up and I went and changed pants. Great artist's career
beginning, eh? (sorry for any typos)
Best,
Austin Roberts
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:50:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: So Nice
Sean Anglum wrote:
> The intro to "California Girls"
> If this isn't on everyone's list, something's wrong!
> - bgv on "You Didn't Have to be so Nice"
Mike McKay wrote:
> I'm SO glad you mentioned this, Sean! This is my
> favorite Lovin' Spoonful
> song of all ... it positively radiates warmth, and
> not just from Sebastian's lead
> vocals, but the wonderful backing vox as well.
Unlike most of the Spoonful stuff "You Didn't Have To
Be So Nice" was mainly a Steve Boone tune that
Sebastian added his input to.
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Message: 26
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:17:18 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Ed Rambeau/Diane Renay
Ed Rambeau wrote:
> Thanks to computers I just in back in touch with
> Diane Renay after 40 years...and saw her recently in New Jersey where
> I appeared as a surprise to her at the Old Time Radio Convention
> held at the Holiday Inn in Newark annually. It was good to see her
> after all these years.
I was there at the Convention, and saw you surprise Diane, along with
Bud Rehak, and her former manager, Dan Crewe (Bob Crewe's Brother).
You then performed your "Concrete And Clay" live, accompanied by
Brian Gari on guitar and Ronnie Allen on the piano. You later dueted
with Diane on "Kiss Me Sailor", where Diane's vocal was lyp-synched.
It was simply amazing! Diane was genuinely surprised (I caught it on
video).
I had done a phone interview with Diane in January, 1999 (Super Bowl
Sunday), and it was my first time meeting her in person at the
Convention. It's a shame she won't perform (sing live) anymore, but
she does take her singing seriously. Hopefully she'll reconsider.
To learn more about our meeting and other encounter, along with an
audio portion of the 1999 interview telling how her name came about,
go here http://www.bobshannon.com/fred/2003.htm, and then about half
way down the page.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 27
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:56:55 -0800 (PST)
From: steveo
Subject: Re: Concrete & Clay
Ed Rambeau wrote:
> It's interesting that depending on where you lived
> in the country as
> to whether or not you grew up with my version or the
> Unit 4 + 2's
> version of "Concrete and Clay". Some cities played
> only my version,
> others played theirs. As far as original songs
> go...it's always the
> version you grew up with that becomes your favorite.
> Anyone who grew
> up listening to mine doesn't take a liking to the
> Unit 4 + 2's
> version and vice versa. It's just the nature of the
> beast.
Ed,
got a kick out of the tv commercial that brought back
the song "concrete and clay"I do remember the unit
2+4's version on "London records"in 1964.
Steveo
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Message: 28
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:56:27 EST
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: Re: Concrete and Clay
Previously:
> "Concrete and Clay" has always been one of my favorites -- Stu, Ira,
> and I used to sing it, a cappella, on the street corners of the Bronx
> in the 1960s.
In the Bronx, huh? Well, then you must have grown up with the Unit 4 + 2's
version because I didn't get much air play in NY. A cappella, no less. I've
often sung it a cappella myself because sometimes when I was on the road the
bands were so bad I decided to sing it without them.
Ed Rambeau
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