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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Hi, I'm new to this group and.........
From: MusicNut
2. Re: Eddie Rambeau / Jerry Osborne / sediS-B sdrawkcaB fo noitalipmoC
From: Michel Gignac
3. Re: Strawberry Alarm Clock on "Laugh-In"
From: T.D. Bell
4. RIP Randy Van Warmer; Al Kooper questions; Soul Brothers; Jimmy Clanton; rediscovered vintage songs; collectors; more
From: Country Paul
5. Metropolitan Soul playlist (Jan. 18 '04)
From: Simon White
6. Re: Breathless Shivers
From: Mike Rashkow
7. Re: Strawberry Alarm Clock on "Laugh-In"
From: Skip Woolwine
8. Re: London record shops / Female Record Collectors
From: Teri Landi
9. Re: Bob Gallo
From: Michael Godin
10. "At Last"
From: Chris Schneider
11. Re: Breathless Shivers
From: T.D. Bell
12. Re: Speaking of Zally
From: Mike McKay
13. Re: Songs' Running Times
From: Austin Roberts
14. Re: whose songs got the Mrs. Miller treatment?
From: Mike Rashkow
15. Re: Scooby Doo's Snack Tracks CD
From: Austin Roberts
16. Re: Rock And Roll model
From: Al Kooper
17. Re: Apple reissues
From: Stewart Mason
18. Re: Smile in London
From: C. Ponti
19. Re: whose songs got the Mrs. Miller treatment?
From: C. Ponti
20. Re: You Didn't Have To Be So Nice
From: C. Ponti
21. collecting records
From: Mark
22. Re: Spine shiverers
From: Austin Roberts
23. Re: Jeff Lynne/ELO
From: Country Paul
24. Happy 40th Birthday! Navy Blue turns 40!
From: Clark Besch
25. Re: ELO-ish
From: Eddy
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:31:59 -0000
From: MusicNut
Subject: Hi, I'm new to this group and.........
... I will be using it to look, listen & learn.
I'll also be using it at times for research purposes in my
vocation as an appraiser of music memorabilia (I match up
significant memorabilia/reference collections of mostly 20th
Century collectibles with potential donees, as well as dealing
with the tax implications of a donation) and a researcher for
an international music column done by a friend of mine.
To that end I'd like to ask a couple of questions -- Betsy (Betty)
Brye released a single on Canadian-American in 1959 of "Sleepwalk",
with lyrics. I haven't been able to physically look at this single
and I need to know who wrote the lyrics for this famous tune? I have
some contradictory info about the writer(s), but I will go by what the
label says. Secondly, I'd like to know if anyone has any info about
the current whereabouts of Ms Brye?
Thanks,
MusicNut
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:31:19 -0000
From: Michel Gignac
Subject: Re: Eddie Rambeau / Jerry Osborne / sediS-B sdrawkcaB fo noitalipmoC
Bob Radil wrote:
> My 45 may not be an original but I do remember
> WPOP, Hartford playing "My Name Is Mud"!
"My Name Is Mud" was a number one hit here in Canada, according to
RPM magazine!
to Eddie Rambeau:
Eddie, I will not ask you any question, because you are already
overwhelmed by them! I'll just add that there are three of your
recordings that I particularly like, and all three of them are
related to the Four Seasons:
I Just Need Your Love, produced by Bob Crewe
I'm The Sky, arranged by Herb Bernstein
and Don't Believe Him, which sounds like The Four Seasons, IMO.
to Jerry Osborne:
Your books were, and are still very useful!
Lightning wrote:
> I'm sure there are other ones out there, so if
> anybody can help me out with some titles, I'd be very appreciative.
I think that the B-side of "Gimme Gimme Good Lovin'" by The Crazy
Elephant was a backwards recording. It was titled "Hips And Lips."
In French Canada, there has been a single by Cyrille Cendrillon
(a.k.a. Denis Pantis) called "Le Quebec se cherche un chef". Its B-
side was the same song backwards and called "Fehc nu ehcrehc es
cebeuq el", I think !
Michel Gignac.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:58:10 -0500
From: T.D. Bell
Subject: Re: Strawberry Alarm Clock on "Laugh-In"
Dr. Mark wrote:
> Not sure exactly what song they sang. I'm not overly familiar with
> Strawberry Alarm Clock, outside of "Incense and Peppermints".
Going strictly from memory, the only other song I saw them do was "Barefoot in Baltimore"
-- TD
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:16:43 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: RIP Randy Van Warmer; Al Kooper questions; Soul Brothers; Jimmy Clanton; rediscovered vintage songs; collectors; more
Clark Besch:
> I was just riding home from work and the news said Randy VanWarmer
> died at age 48 of Leukemia. What a sad thing.
Ouch! I'm very sad to hear this. You wrote a beautiful tribute, Clark. I too
was a big fan of his music and of him as a person. Back in my WHCN
progressive rock days we got brave and played "Just When I Needed You Most"
before it was usurped by pop and middle-road radio. It was a superb
recording and song. (Great segue to "Do You Believe In Magic," thanks to the
autoharps!) I got to meet him in Woodstock, NY, when The Source, NBC's
"youth network," with which we were affiliated, was presenting a Todd
Rundgren concert broadcast live from Levon Helm's house for a small
selective audience. (Didn't get to meet Levon, though.) Randy took me to
WDST, an ultra-cool local station (which still exists, albeit with a tighter
format) to meet his brother, who was a DJ there, and I got him into the
concert; we sat about three feet away from Todd Rundgren's back. All in all,
a great day and evening. On a later album (whose title escapes me for the
moment) he did a great song called "Whatever You Decide" -- uptempo, ringing
guitars, superb layered vocals. What a very sad loss as a person and a
talent -- and way too young. RIP, Randy.
Re: http://www.alkooper.com -- cool website, Al. I like your comment
regarding the first BS&T album: "Not responsible for 'Spinning Wheel.'” I
always personally felt that the first album was the only "real" BS&T album.
And I still wonder why the Blues Project's "Fly Away" wasn't a huge hit; it
was a great song for its time -- and a fine song always. By the way, that's a
real fine interview in Relix (thanks for the URL, Eddy:
http://www.relix.com/kooper/)
This group name doesn't appear on your website, Al, so could you please
confirm or deny that you were in the Royal Teens ("Short Shorts," "Big Name
Button")? People may joke about the songs -- true period pieces, to be sure --
but the tracks to both had the best down-and-dirty beats! If you were
involved with them, do you know who did the sax parts? (And if Al can't
answer that question, can anyone, please?)
The discussion of Alvin Robinson's "Fever" on Red Bird brings up another
question I've always wondered about. One of my favorite Red Bird 45's was
The Soul Brothers, "Keep It Up," also a Lieber & Stoller production. I've
asked this before, but maybe with so many new members -- and first-person
participants (a term I prefer to celebrities or idols) -- someone might know:
who were the singers? And did they do anything else? The trumpet line in
that song is gorgeous, by the way.
Artie Wayne mentions Jimmy Clanton. I've got a CD by him ("Go Jimmy Go -- The
Very Best of Jimmy Clanton," Westside WESM 517, 1997) on which he proves he
wasn't just a "teen idol" but a credible swamp-pop rocker as well. However,
my favorite Clanton track is pure sugar: "Down The Aisle" (Ace 616, 1961), a
beautiful duet with Mary Ann Mobley, who I think was Miss America the year
it came out. She could actually sing -- at least on that record. Anyone know
(1) any background about that 45 and (b) if Ms. Mobley recorded anything
else?
John Sellards:
> What is the one vintage song you've recently discovered
> that completely knocked you out? I mean one you've had
> to listen to over and over....
I'll bite this fishhook! The most recent was Nino & April's "Wings of Love,"
which totally wipes me out -- how could I have missed this? Thanks to the
funky styrene that White Whale used, I've worn a skip into it! Speaking of
White Whale, on the new "In The Garden: The White Whale Story" on Rev-Ola
(compiled and annotated by this group's own Steve Stanley, by the way) is
the Spectorian Nino & April track "Can't Kick The Habit of Lovin' You Baby,"
which I also hadn't heard before; that's gotten a few rounds on repeat.
Prior to these, the big re-discovery was "Lady-O" by Judee Sill, leading to
rediscovering her entire catalog.
Not an oldie, but in the style, is the Orgone Box self-titled CD I'd
mentioned in an earlier post. Two or three mega-faves there, including "Judy
Over The Rainbow," which apparently was a UK hit a dozen years ago or so.
Paul Bryant:
> My tentative theory is that "collecting music" falls
> into the larger category of "collecting", and females
> are not big collectors of anything.
Hate to disagree with you, Paul; you should see the quantity of clothes and
shoes in my wife's closets! :-) And more seriously, which gender fueled the
Beanie Babies craze, something I'll never comprehend?
Admin Team, thank you for correcting my guess as to the gender of Don
Ralke's offspring. Thanks for being aboard, Ms. Platch. (Is that you real
name?!? And are you a collector, too?)
Phil Milstein:
> Alan Zweig's movie "Vinyl" does an immeasurably better
> job of getting under the skin of record collectors and
> at what makes them/us tick.
Now playing WHERE, please?
Short takes ...
Mark:
> Re Christine Quaite: I mentioned that it came out on
> Laurie per Tim Ashibende's want list, yet I've perused
> my Laurie discog in Stak-O-Wax and NOTHING has turned up!
I only remember seeing her on World Artists from Pittsburgh, Chad & Jeremy's
original US Label and first home to Reperata & The Delrons. With WA, Calico
[the Skyliners] and Gateway active, there was time it looked like a
Pittsburgh explosion on the national scene might occur. But 'twas not to be.
(They did have a huge *local* scene -- there are over a dozen CD
complilations of it on the Itzy label.)
Mick Patrick, re: Ben E. King's "Where's The Girl" (Atco 6596, 1968) -- is
this same song that Steve Rossi did on Red Bird? Now *that's* a real beauty.
Joe Nelson:
> I played Pete Antell's "Night Time" to musica earlier...
> I know nothing at all about the record, but someone
> here is bound to know something.
Pete Antell was a guest at the New York Spectropop party this past June;
check the archives for several mentions in the discussion.
Rashkovsky quotes the "filling station" lines of Chuck Berry's great "Too
Much Monkey Business" and adds: "Of course, many readers will not remember
when there was such a thing as filling station attendants -- AND -- they wore
uniforms." Come to New Jersey, Mike -- no self-serve. They still put it in
for ya -- state law! Uniforms? well, maybe....
Country Paul
(not sweating the glitches as long as the feel is there)
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:27:51 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Metropolitan Soul playlist (Jan. 18 '04)
The Metropolitan Soul Show Playlist
1 JOY LOVEJOY IN ORBIT - CHECKER
2 LITTLE RICHARD A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING - COLUMBIA
3 CASINOS EVERYBODY CAN'T BE PRETTY - DEL VAL
4 MILLER SISTERS YOUR LOVE - GMC
5 SANDY BROCKINGTON IT WAS YOU - BENGEE
6 P.J. T.L.C. - TAMLA
7 SHELLEY BLACK NO TURNING BACK NOW - CASTLE CD/DE LITE
8 DEE DEE SHARP GOOD - CAMEO
9 GARNETT MIMMS A LITTLE BIT OF SOAP - U.A.
10 QUICK BROWN FOX WORKIN ON MY THING - ROULETTE
11 ERROLL DIXON THE HOOP - DIRECT
12 ADS
13 LOVELACE WATKINS I WON'T BELIEVE IT - GROOVE
14 EDDIE BO EVERY DOG GOT HIS DAY - RIC
15 MASCOTS THAT1S THE WAY I FEEL - KING
16 CARL BURNETT AND THE HUSTLERS JERK BABY JERK - CARMAX
17 LIZ LANDS MIDNIGHT JOHNNY -MOTOWN
18 WILLOWS OUTSIDE THE CITY - MGM
19 DAUGHTERS OF EVE SOCIAL TRADEGY - CADET
20 BOBBY BELL DON'T COME BACK TO ME - RCA
21 LOUISE LEWIS WEE OO I'LL LET IT BE YOU - GOLDMINE CD/ SKYWAY
22 JACKIE ROSS DYNAMITE LOVIN' - CHESS
23 SOLOMON BURKE SAVE IT - ATLANTIC
24 LAURA LEE MAMA'S GOT A GOOD THING - CHESS
25 ADS
26 KO KO TAYLOR FIRE - CHECKER
27 JACKIE WILSON 3 DAYS 1 HOUR 30 MINUTES - BRUNSWICK
28 GOOGIE RENE THERE I WAS - CLASS
29 BARBARA MCNAIR COUNTING ON YOU BABE - MOTOWN
30 SAMMY DAVIS JNR NOT FOR ME - REPRISE
31 FIFTH DIMENSION TOO POOR TO DIE - LIBERTY
32 DIDI NOEL LET THE MUSIC PLAY - BLUE CAT
33 JACKIE VERDELL ARE YOU READY FOR THIS - DECCA
34 JACKIE VERDELL COME LET ME LOVE YOU - PEACOCK
35 ADS
36 HOAGY LANDS THE BELL RINGER - SPECTRUM
37 PHYLLIS HYMAN CANT LIVE WITHOUT YOU - EXPANSION
38 CISSY HOUSTON ONE BROKEN HEART FOR SALE - KAPP
39 RUBY AND THE ROMANTICS MUCH BETTER OFF THAN I'VE EVER BEEN -
KAPP
40 POOKIE HUDSON JEALOUS HEART - DOUBLE R
41 BOBBY WOMACK WHAT YOU GONNA DO - MINIT
42 ESTHER PHILLIPS SOMEBODY ELSE IS TAKING MY PLACE - ATLANTIC
43 YVONNE CARROLL STUCK ON YOU - DOMAIN
44 SANDRA KING LEAVE IT UP TO THE BOYS - BELL
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:11:02 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Breathless Shivers
Albabe wrote:
> And every nanosecond of "At Last" by Etta James. Accept no substitutions.
Second that emotion! Who wrote those string parts?
Di la
Rashkovsky
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:06:15 -0600
From: Skip Woolwine
Subject: Re: Strawberry Alarm Clock on "Laugh-In"
Dr. Mark wrote:
> "Not sure exactly what song they sang. I'm not overly familiar with
> Strawberry Alarm Clock, outside of "Incense and Peppermints".
> Some of the lyrics they sang were:
> "We live in a word of troubles... Buildings to the sky... That make us
> want to fly."
Mark, that song was "Tomorrow" by the Strawberry Alarm Clock, their
follow up to Incense & Pepermints. I remember that appearance!
Skip Woolwine
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:24:11 -0500
From: Teri Landi
Subject: Re: London record shops / Female Record Collectors
Martin of Denmark wrote:
> I'm going to London next month in order to see Brian Wilson
> perform Smile, and since I've never been there, I wondered
> if someone here could recommend any good records shops with
> CDs of Spectropopper interest?
Martin,
I was in London at the beginning of December and found cool record shops on
Berwick Street in Soho. The street is full of them. Of particular note was
Selectadisc, which had vinyl, CDs, books and a great selection of T-shirts (I
picked up 3 shirts with record label logos -- Immediate, Kama Sutra & Buddah
Records). Take the Northern or the Central Tube line to Tottenham Court Road
and walk west on Oxford Street, then south on Berwick. You can also take the
Central or the Bakerloo line to Oxford Circus but you'd have to walk east on
Oxford Street to get to Berwick. Get yourself a London A to Z guide (in
color) before you go. I found it extremely helpful. There are also some
record shops on Portobello Road, but I never made it there in my week's stay.
I was told the best time to go there is on a weekend, when the market is
active. There are loads of vendors. I think the closest Tube stop is
Ladbroke Grove on the Hammersmith line, but I could be wrong.
Phil Milstein wrote:
> I think that most of were generalizing, rather than suggesting that NO women
> collect records, that ALL women throw away their clothes after wearing
> them once, that EVERY woman would rather spend money on makeup than on
> music, etc. Generalizing ALWAYS is a slippery slope, of course, but
> certain things occur frequently enough (proportionally speaking) that
> they nonetheless qualify as fact. As much as I'm sure that you and
> a number of other women on this list are every bit as fanatical record
> collectors as us guys are, Sarah, I honestly believe -- and
> could readily quantify it, if it came to that -- that y'all still
> constitute a small minority of the Spectropopulation. I wish it
> were otherwise, but it is what it is.
While I agree that we are a minority there really are a lot more of us than
you guys think. If you come to the WFMU Record Fair in NYC twice a year, you
will see many women there. Kim Cooper is right in saying we keep quieter
about our obsession. I have been collecting records since the age of 10 and
now have more than 10,000 LPs, 45s & 78s. I also have a sizable amount of
CDs and music paraphernalia/ephemera. Imagine my delight over the years when
I'd meet a fellow female music junkie. Discussing music with the boys has
always been fun to me, but with a female obesessive, well, it is different.
There is an even greater sense of bonding for me. And if she isn't a junkie
in the quantity department, I remember that it's also not how much you own
but how much you absorb and understand that is important.
Music will always be my true love. Let the psychologists try to pick apart
my brain to find out why I am obsessive. I am simply hungry for more great
music. I'm tired of theories, but I will never tire of finding an obscure 45
with a cover of a song by Bonner/Gordon, Taylor/Gorgoni or Goffin/King, and
also find that I've discovered another gem.
Teri
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:24:06 -0800
From: Michael Godin
Subject: Re: Bob Gallo
Eddy wrote:
> The Best of The Beatles album on Savage Records gives a
> Producer & Arranger credit for Bob Gallo, which is about
> all I can find. Maybe there's a further credit on the 45's,
> but I don't have those. Reportedly almost 40 tracks were
> recorded in New York with Gallo. Although there is no credit
> on the album The Beatle that time forgot, these previously
> unreleased songs are supposed to be from those same sessions.
Sorry if this is a bit late. If this is the same Bob Gallo, he worked as
head of A&R for CBS Canada in the mid to late '70s. I was A&R Director for
A&M Records Canada in Toronto (I discovered and signed Bryan Adams) and met
Bob on several occasions. He signed and produced a good deal of his roster.
I seem to recall he told me he had produced 96 Tears for ? & The
Mysterians. Not sure where he went after he left CBS in Toronto.
Hope this sheds a bit more light on him.
Cheers.
Michael Godin
http://www.TreasureIslandOldies.com
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:49:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Schneider
Subject: "At Last"
Alan Gordon wrote:
> And every nanosecond of "At Last" by Etta James. Accept no substitutions.
I think the world of that song. Also of Etta James. You must admit, though,
that composer Harry Warren and lyricist Mack Gordon had a *little* bit to do
with its creation ...
Chris
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:12:28 -0500
From: T.D. Bell
Subject: Re: Breathless Shivers
Albabe wrote:
> Breathless Shivers: everynano second of "At Last" by Etta James. Accept no substitutions.
Same here! and every nanosecond of the call-and-response between Etta, Harvey
Fuqua, and that saxophone player on "If I Can't Have You".
-- TD
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:42:18 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Speaking of Zally
C. Ponti wrote:
> I was always a fan of Butler's singing, as on "Old
> Folks", "Full Measure"
Paul Bryant wrote:
> These two obscure non-Sebastian Spoon tracks are in a
> stratospheric category of their own. Beauty is found
> in the strangest places. Full Measure is a
> shiver-down-your-spine from first note to last. I'm
> glad to be able to state this publicly.
No one's yet mentioned Joe Butler's other great Spoonful moment, "Butchie's
Tune." That's always been my favorite -- not only for Joe's heartfelt vocal,
but also Zally's incredibly tasty tremolo country licks.
Mike
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:38:49 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Songs' Running Times
Laura Pinto wrote:
> I'm not in the music business, but I am a writer, and I can say from
> personal experience that it's a heck of a lot easier for me to write
> when I don't have a limitation on the number of words I can use -- I
> can just go with the creative flow. However, if you're writing for a
> periodical, you often do have to go by a predetermined word count,
> and editing can be painful! Did any of you have to do any painful
> editing of your musical creations?
> What about the rest of you? Do you wish the cool songs from the 60s
> and 70s had had longer running times?
Hi Laura,
You bring up two very interesting points, especially where songwriting is
concerned. First, concerning subject matter. There are so many songs that are
basically about the same thing (often 'Love'). The trick is to try and say the
same thing differently. For example, Eric Carmen's ALL BY MYSELF. In itself, a
beautiful melody and fantastic vocal performance; just a great pop record! The
lyric talks about the angst, pathos, sadness or whatever, of living without
love. It talks about his youth, when there was plenty to do, no rush, no need for others
etc. consequently love was down the list of importance. Then it gets to the
point of the title, All By Myself, having to live without love, maybe forever.
This is a great example of saying something very individual about love or lack
thereof, and how the singer got to that point. What a great song, lyric and
melody! And probably within the confines of accepted song length at the time.
The second point is that a professional songwriter must be able to tell his
tale within the time confines of what the industry allows at that time and
what people seem to want, length-wise, which should delegate what the labels do to
satisfy the record buying public. This ain't always true, however, but that's a
different story.
A title can sometimes tell the whole story, so the writer must then write
around the title in the allowed time, etc. He must say 'the same thing
differently', appeal to a large number of people, and use his craft to create a piece of
work that is embraced by the record buying public and accepted by the record
label. Sounds simple, I guess.
This is just one songwriter's opinion.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:15:32 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: whose songs got the Mrs. Miller treatment?
steveo wrote:
> re: Mrs.Miller--
> P.S.I know I'm nuts, but i liked her!
It is my understanding, though I have never heard it and I have never seen
it, that the adorable one actually recorded Mary In The Morning.
Why? What? You're guess is as good as mine.
If someone can verify that she did record and release it, I'd like to have
the confirmation.
Thank you.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:46:47 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Scooby Doo's Snack Tracks CD
to Joe Nelson:
Hey Joe,
Tell your wife's mom I like her taste in records.(LOL)
AR
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:42:45 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Rock And Roll model
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Hope you don't mind if I use you as
> a "Rock and Roll model"
Who wouldn't mind being a model at 60 ?
- AK
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:45:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: Apple reissues
Phil M. asked in response to my mention of the Iveys'
MAYBE TOMORROW and other non-Beatles Apple reissues in
1994:
> I've never heard of this series of CD reissues.
> Was Capitol the issuing company? Were they
> withdrawn so quickly due to lack of sales, or
> for some other reason?
Yes, these came out through Capitol as part of the
same mass lawsuit-settling that finally paved the way
for the Beatles Anthology and the like. There were
the Badfinger albums (if I recall correctly, ASS only
came out in the UK and possibly Japan), the
aforementioned Iveys record -- which is in fact a
separate release from Badfinger's MAGIC CHRISTIAN
MUSIC, contrary to the assertion of someone whom I
don't remember, although of course the two albums have
several songs in common -- along with the James Taylor
album, the Billy Preston albums. I think that might
have been it, actually. I assume they were simply
withdrawn for lack of sales. I never heard of any
other, more sinister, reasons, although it would not
surprise me if it turned out that maybe 5000 copies of
each was pressed to fulfill a contractual obligation,
because I think the extent of the press I saw on them
was a short blurb in ICE. I found the Iveys record
for the first time in the remainder bins at Page One
Books and Music in Albuquerque in 1996!
S
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:19:37 -0000
From: C. Ponti
Subject: Re: Smile in London
Paul Bryant wrote, re: Smile In London show:
> Guys, aren't all tickets long since sold out?
P,
Oh, I got a ticket!
C. Ponti
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:24:26 -0000
From: C. Ponti
Subject: Re: whose songs got the Mrs. Miller treatment?
steveo wrote:
> I'm wondering if any of the writers on here were able
> to receive the Mrs. Miller treatment of their songs...
> P.S.I know I;m nuts..but i liked her!
Steverino,
Much scarier is to have a song get the Michael Bolton treatment!
C. Ponti
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:35:31 -0000
From: C. Ponti
Subject: Re: You Didn't Have To Be So Nice
Steve Harvey wrote:
> Unlike most of the Spoonful stuff "You Didn't Have To Be So Nice"
> was mainly a Steve Boone tune that Sebastian added his input to.
Albabe (nala) wrote:
> Wow! Really??? I've never heard that. That is one of The Spoonful's
> absolute best tracks. Where did you hear that it was more of a Boone
> tune (hey that rhymes)?
Yes, Nala, Mr Harvey errs. The song sprouted from Steve SPEAKING the
title phrase to John about a date with a girl he had only recently
met. John took the phrase and, with input from Steven that was
significant (but not of a majority), the song was written.
Collaborations are difficult to credit in terms of what percentage one
writer contributed.They grow organically ... like mold!
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:39:43 -0000
From: Mark
Subject: collecting records
I think that its what you grow up with. There are 78s collectors
around, but how many? Once the generation that grew up with vinyl is
too old to collect, vinyl collecting will become a very small group of
people. As to 60s music, I only collect stuff that did not chart and
that has no chance of ever making it to CD. I'm not going to get into
an argument as to convenience or sound here. I prefer CDs, and vinyl is
my choice only when its the only available option. I have friends who
will not listen to unfamiliar music no matter how good or from what
era if it is unfamiliar to them. That is why oldies radio is
successful, by playing the same songs over and over. The fewer records
they play, the better the ratings. 99% of the people who listen to
older music do so for the familiarity as much as anything else.
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:49:11 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Spine shiverers
Also Larry Knectel's incredible-feeling organ licks at the end of Never My
Love.
AR
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:34:53 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Re: Jeff Lynne/ELO
My 2 cents on the ELO debate: I saw them live early on. Excellent. The great
songs were great, the trite songs were trite, the hits got burned out
quickly to my ears, but stayed around too long, obscuring some of the really
good stuff that didn't make Top 40 radio. (Actually, that happened to a lot
of groups. ....)
Country Paul
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:43:09 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Happy 40th Birthday! Navy Blue turns 40!
All this talk about "Navy Blue" made me think of it on the radio and
how it came amidst stormy seas, so to speak. The Beatles were just
ready to take America and Diane Renay's hit record by storm. Jan. 18,
1964 was the debut of "I Want to Hold Your Hand" in the US Billboard
Hot 100 at an amazing #45! 40 years ago this week, another lesser-
known "Navy Blue" bubbled under for the first time at #114. The
following week, Diane Renay's song would enter the Hot 100 at #90
with a bullet. Looking at the top 4, you would think it was not a
song for the times: #1, Bobby Vinton's "There I Said it Again". #2
Kingsmen -- Louie, Louie. #3 I Want to Hold Your Hand! #4
Trashmen's "Surfin Bird". The Beatles would slowly put the girl
groups on the "back burner", after being red-hot throughout 1963.
However, they weren't done quite yet. #5 Murmaids' "Popsicles &
Icicles" was paving the way for "Navy Blue", with similar vocal
stylings. Other girl groups to conquer in the future for "Navy Blue"
would be Lesley Gore, the Ronettes, Caravelles, Cookies, Steve &
Eydie (hey, "I Can't Stop Talkin Bout You" sounds as much like a girl
group song as any), Ginny Arnell, Shirelles, Dixiebelles,and the
Angels -- all above #90 that week.
By the way, if Eddie Rambeau had written Mary into "Navy Blue" it
would have worked out perfect. Artie Wayne's Joey Powers
hit "Midnight Mary" was just slipping from its' #10 perch. If it
were indeed Mary in "Navy Blue", Joey Powers could have been telling
Mary to meet him, so he could tell her he was "ship ahoy" and off to
the Navy!! :)
ANYWAY, the girls were still strong, but above #90 was another
fab 4 debut, "She Loves You", at #69.
The very next week saw another Beatles song debut ahead of "Navy
Blue", with "Please Please Me" debuting at #68, ahead of the
bulleted "Navy Blue" at #71. Incidentally, charting in their first
week (ahead of the fab 4!) were the Drifters' "Vaya Con Dios" at #64,
and our buddy Freddie Cannon with "Abigail Beecher" at #66!
A month on, Diane gets revenge on the fabs when "Navy Blue" flies to
#42, bypassing "Please Please Me" at #57. "I Saw Her Standing There"
debuts at #68.
Next, "Navy Blue" cuts its way to the top in half from 42 to 21.
But, this week, the fabs appear on Sullivan, and Beatlemania gets in
full swing. If only Diane would have been a guest too, instead of
Soupy Sales doing "The Mouse"!
Still, week 5 on the Hot 100, "Navy Blue" jumps to #10! The Beatles
hold #1 and 2. Then it moves to 8, 07 , 06 , and another week at #6 on
March 21. That week, the Beatles hold 1, 02 , 03 and on for only its
second week, "Twist & Shout" is breathing down its neck at #7! At
this point, Diane's song is not only battling the Beatles, but the
British Invasion as well. The DC5, Searchers, Swingin Blue Jeans,
still MORE Beatles records as well as Bobby Vee pretending to be the
Beatles ("I'll Make You Mine") and Beatles bandwagon songs by the
Carefrees, Donna Lynn and the 4 Preps - -all now climbing the charts
and heading for "Navy Blue"!
Finally, after a whopping 10-week run, "Navy Blue" dips out of the
top 10 to #13, just as the Beatles' second wave of singles, the Hard
Day's Night grouping, starts on the charts with "Can't Buy Me Love",
debuting at #27!
After 12 weeks riding the Hot 100, "Navy Blue" last charts at #43 on
April 11, a week after the Beatles had the entire top 5. The song
started against only one Beatles record and ended up battling the
entire British invasion! Makes one wonder if a number one position
was in line, if it had been released 3 months earlier!
It's a great song, and I still have my tape of KOMA playing it back
then when I couldn't afford to buy the record, because I'd just
bought "She Loves You" with a pic sleeve! Thanks, Eddie, for a great
one. It's one for the history books, I guess??
PS. If you think "Navy Blue" had a battle, the followup, "Kiss Me
Sailor", not only took on that second Beatles barrage of singles, but
spent its first 2 weeks with "Navy Blue" still on the chart. It got
to a great start going from #90, 77, 44, but then quickly slowed to
34, 30, 30, 29 (its peak). By the time it reached #34, there were
Beatles at #1, 02 , 03 , 19, 24, 29, 37, 45, 60, and 67. Now even the
DC5 were in the "multiples" act, with #6, 07 , and 90! I'd say "Kiss
Me Sailor" did pretty well, all things considered!
I'll step down, but 40 years with "Navy Blue" is one goood thing!
Clark
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:45:05 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: ELO-ish
How about World Party?! Just playing their Bang! album and there's a
lot of ELO in there, especially All I Have.
Eddy
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