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SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Spector Biography
From: Paul Bryant
2. Re: Ben Findon
From: Simon White
3. Re: Bubblegum
From: Frank Uhle
4. Re: Obscurities Online?
From: Superoldies
5. Re: Smile in London
From: J. Berg
6. Re: Norma Tenega
From: Mac Joseph
7. Re: "Bubblegum" / Nyro's name / Billy Ocean / Dylan-Wilson
From: Phil Milstein
8. Re: Ben Findon
From: Cleber
9. Re: Norma Tenega
From: Art Longmire
10. Al and Hit Parader magazine
From: Dan Hughes
11. Question For Al Kooper
From: James Botticelli
12. No Greater Sin
From: Dan Hughes
13. Re: Norma Tenega / Automated Artie
From: Phil Milstein
14. Smothers Brothers, Laugh-In Musical Acts
From: Art Longmire
15. Re: Gary Lewis et al
From: superoldies
16. Re: Ben Findon
From: Mark T
17. Navy Blue vs Midnight Mary
From: Ed Rambeau
18. More Coke ads @ musica
From: S'pop Team
19. Re: Concrete & Clay
From: Ed Rambeau
20. Re: Why Beatles?!!
From: Paul Bryant
21. Re: Norma Tenega
From: Doug Richard
22. Re: lyrics to instrumentals
From: Fred Clemens
23. Re: Rag Dolls / G. Lewis & Playboys
From: Bibi LaRed
24. Biggest record label blunders!
From: Denny
25. Re: Female collectors; spine-shiver songs
From: Country Paul
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:44:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Spector Biography
Dear Poppers,
Anyone know anything about the new Spector biography
called "Wall of Pain" by Dave Thompson?
Strange kind of title though.
pb
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:31:35 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Ben Findon
Unless I am very much mistaken, Ben Findon was in part responsible
for putting The Nolan Sisters on the U.K. chart map.
If you are outside the U.K. The Nolans will mean little to you -
although they could have been big in Iraq for all I know - but U.K.
residents or ex-pats will know them for their very poppy records
that plagued the British charts and airwaves for a while. They were
Irish, but moved to Blackpool.
The group's iconic hit was "I'm In The Mood For Dancing", a hardcore
staple of a certain generation of British wedding deejays (ahem) and
one that will keep a Village Hall dancefloor filled if you wack it
on after Abba's "Dancing Queen," without pausing for breath or a stiff
drink.
There is a rather nice 45 by Sharon Benson with Ben Findon's name on
it entitled, "Get It Over With," which could well be a track intended
for The Nolans. It maybe of some interest to an element of the Spectropop
group, in thatis a kind of swingalong Motown groove. I must confess I
have danced to this record in my youth in a club that dare not speak
its name.
Bernadette Nolan went on to have an acting career in the long running
soap opera "The Bill" and there are those on this forum that know more
about that than I can shake a stick at.
Ben Findon's Billy Ocean 45s are good and I can recommend them to any
of you that like a bit of a Motown-inspired dance.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:45:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Frank Uhle
Subject: Re: Bubblegum
On the subject of Bubblegum music, specifically the 1910 Fruitgum
Company, I saw the reformed band (with original members on drums
and guitar) in New York about a week ago, and they were quite good!
Their show (a half-hour set performed as a showcase for booking
agents) was a blend of their hits ("Simon Says," "Goody Goody
Gumdrops," "Indian Giver," "May I Take a Giant Step," "1,2,3 Redlight")
and oldies of the era ("Nowhere Man," "She'd Rather Be With Me,"
"Midnight Confessions," etc.).
I talked with original members Frank Jeckell (guitar) and Floyd Marcus
(drums), for a bit after their sound check, and they seemed very nice.
(Frank was telling me of a gig they did in '68 with the Blues Magoos,
whose electric suits failed to light up, whereupon Floyd quipped,
"Maybe they should have called the Electric Prunes!"). Those two
handled most of the vocals on their own songs at the showcase, while
other members (new to the band, but about the same age as the originals -
wonder if any of them were in noteworthy bands back in the day?) did
vocals on some of the other tunes. They sang well - Floyd in particular
had an excellent voice, I thought.
Overall, they stayed true to the records (as expected), but were clearly
having fun and the audience of 50 or so enjoyed the show. Their website
has a bio and mp3s of recent recordings of their hits, as well as booking
info, if anybody is interested...
http://www.1910fruitgumcompany.com/
Frank Uhle
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:56:07 -0000
From: Superoldies
Subject: Re: Obscurities Online?
In regards to this question I have to blow my own horn -
www.superoldies.com - lots of obscurities free, and 24/7.
And in regards to the "pulling the tape & bake it" idea, I too
thought old tapes had to go through this process. When looking
for Tony Bellus masters (late 50s to early 60s) I found out
that most tapes (excluding the real cheap brittle brands) from
the 50s & 60s are fine. Tony got his off the shelf after 40
years and they were in pristine shape.
Not exactly sure on the details, but it was during the '80s
that a whale embargo/killing ban forced Scotch and others to
switch from one ingredient in their tapes to using something
different. The oil they used in the tape breaks down & causes
it to disintegrate after a few years, and quite a few '80s era
tapes are in bad shape. I did a project for a group that recorded
for the Blind Pig label in 1986, and their tapes fell apart on
the reel as it was being transferred!
Maybe someone knows the fine details about the ingredients that
were changed and caused this.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:08:48 EST
From: J. Berg
Subject: Re: Smile in London
The other thing about buying records and CDs in London or
anywhere in Europe: bring LOTS OF MONEY! If Tower in Seattle
has something for $15, it will be £12-15 in London -- which
is currently about 1.75 times as much money!
Yes, the selection can be super, but you must be prepared to
pay the piper. During my 5 weeks in the UK last summer I bought
perhaps $300 worth of stuff I cannot find over here, yet still
had to draw the line somewhere and left behind at least that
much stuff in "wish-I-coulds".
J Berg
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:14:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Mac Joseph
Subject: Re: Norma Tenega
Ed Rambeau wrote:
> I haven't seen or heard from Norma Tenega since I recorded "I'm The Sky".
> I really don't even remember her at the recording session.
Ed;
The last I heard, Norma was living out in Claremont California, where she
paints. From what I know, after "Walkin my Cat" (which is still one of
my all-time favs), she went to Europe for a while.
Mac Joseph
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:08:27 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: "Bubblegum" / Nyro's name / Billy Ocean / Dylan-Wilson
Austin Powell wrote:
> Dan...In the notes for Volume One of Varese Sarabande's "Bubblegum
> Classics" series (1995), the term "Bubblegum" is credited to Kasenatz-
> Katz....The story went: Buddah's boss Neil Bogart asked K-K how
> they'd describe their music..."We would call it bubblegum....it's
> a happytime, children's type of thing" they said...Bogart replied
> "That's great - Bubblegum, we'll use it"..
That must be one of the few times an entrepreneur self-consciously
created a marketing "tag" and, if you'll pardon the pun, had it stick.
Ed Rambeau wrote:
> You're absolutely right. Norma Tanega wrote "I'm the Sky" not Laura
> Nyro as I stated previously. For some reason I got the 2 mixed up.
> It's probably because I saw the name Herb Bernstein who I strongly
> associated with Laura. I kind of help Herb discover Laura Nyro (or
> is it Nero)?
Nigro, I believe. I wonder if that's Italian, or Jewish?
ACJ wrote:
> Mark Frumento: In 1975, Ben Findon co-wrote and produced "Love Really
> Hurts Without You," the first U.S. Top 40 hit for Billy Ocean ...
Great record! Wonderful encapsulation of the Motown sound. Is it on CD,
or available for musica-ing?
Javed Jafri wrote:
> ... Did that include Bob Dylan? I have always wondered what he thought
> about Brian Wilson's mid '60s output. The only time I have read
> anything about his opinion is a late '80s interview in Rolling Stone,
> where he says something to the effect that: The Beach Boys were doing
> things that had not been done before and I know I (meaning Mr. D) was
> doing things that had not been done before.
This fascinates me. I was thinking the other day that, of the Big 6 of
'60s rock music (and no need to quibble over this list at this time) --
Brian Wilson, The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Lou Reed, Pete Townsend, Bob
Dylan -- virtually all of them had some kind of "crosstalk," i.e. either
obvious or divulged influence on one another, except for Wilson/Dylan.
Try as I might, I just couldn't see Dylan as a Beach Boys fan in any
significant way, nor vice versa, as their perspectives, styles and
attitudes just seemed so remote from each other's. And yet here is
evidence that even that pair had some crosstalk, albeit minor.
--Phil M.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:17:56 -0000
From: Cleber
Subject: Re: Ben Findon
Mark Frumento wrote:
> Does anyone have information on song writer Ben Findon? Over time
> I've accumulated records bearing his name in the writing credits.
> Most of what I have are well written harmony-based songs. Many of
> those songs are by obscure UK bands but he did write (with Peter
> Shelley) the wonderful "Impressions of Linda" for The Magic
> Lanterns.
I've got an LP procuded by Ben Findon for the group The Dooleys.
The title is "The Chosen Few" and it was recorded in 1979.
Ben Findon wrote the title track and co-wrote all the other tracks
from this albumn. One of the album's tracks is "You Bring Out The
Best In Me".
Cleber
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:35:14 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: Norma Tenega
Ed Rambeau wrote:
> I haven't seen or heard from Norma Tenega since I recorded
> "I'm The Sky".
> I really don't even remember her at the recording session.
Mac Joseph wrote:
> The last I heard, Norma was living out in Claremont California,
> where she paints. From what I know, after "Walkin my Cat"
> (which is still one of my all-time favs), she went to Europe
> for a while.
Hello, Mac
I love "Walkin' My Cat Named Dog" too, as well as other songs
by her like "I'm the Sky" and "Street That Rhymes At 6 A.M."
She was involved with Dusty Springfield for a few years in the
70s according to a Dusty biography I read recently.
Art
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:36:32 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Al and Hit Parader magazine
Javed sez,
>[Al Kooper] got the spotlight in a Hit Parader magazine
> column called "My Favorite Records". In it you raved about
> Pet Sounds. You also spoke a bit about Bob Lind...
Funny, Javed, I remember that same article, but the part I
remember is his praise for a Nonesuch album of Gregorian chants.
So Al, how did you get so much coverage in Hit Parader magazine?
I also remember a Hit Parader interview with Mike Bloomfield about
recording the Highway 61 Revisted album. Bloomfield said somebody
told Dylan they needed another 10 or 15 minutes to fill out the
album and he sat down on the piano bench and wrote Desolation Row.
Doubt that it's true, and I'd say it makes a good story, but as Al
said in his first note to me: Nuke Revisionism!
---Dan
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:55:15 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Question For Al Kooper
Hey Al,
Where did you find all those little guys that look just
like you big guys on the cover of the first B, S & T LP?
Jimmy Botticelli
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:50:39 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: No Greater Sin
Guy sez,
> Another (Kooper/Levine) favourite of mine is the Byrdsy
> "There Is No Greater Sin" a '65 single by the Boys Next Door.
Guy, I think you've sparked a long-buried memory here. Is the
full line "And there is no greater sin / Than what you're tryin'
to do"? Where was the group from and what label were they on?
I feel sure I know that song, and I was thinking it was a local
group (from the midwest US).
Thanks!
---Dan
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:06:48 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Norma Tenega / Automated Artie
Mac Joseph wrote:
> The last I heard, Norma was living out in Claremont California,
> where she paints. From what I know, after "Walkin my Cat"
> (which is still one of my all-time favs), she went to Europe
> for a while.
Yes, where she shacked up with Dusty Springfield.
Artie Wayne wrote:
> ... writing up my adventures in the music buisness as an artist
> [12 labels...]
Artie, I recently discovered your song "Automated Man", which
I dig the most! I don't have the record itself, though, and
wonder which of the 12 labels it was on, and what in general
was the story behind it.
--Phil M.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:07:30 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Smothers Brothers, Laugh-In Musical Acts
Phil Milstein mentioned the Legendary Stardust Cowboy and the Holy
Modal Rounders appearing on "Laugh-In"...Phil, I just purchased "The
Moray Eels Eat the Holy Modal Rounders" CD last weekend after coming
across it at my local Tower Records store, and hearing about this
group appearing on TV is intriguing.
Regarding Cake on the Smothers Brothers, they were from Sacramento,
California where I live...I didn't realize they'd ever made such a
high-profile television appearance. I have a three page article on
them somewhere around the house. Your description of their TV
performance sounds hilarious. You didn't happen to catch the
infamous appearance by the Who on the Smothers Brothers, did you?
This is probably the one I crave to see the most, along with Syd
Barrett's "performance" on the Pat Boone show.
Art Longmire
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:19:46 -0000
From: superoldies
Subject: Re: Gary Lewis et al
Same with BJ Thomas & Tommy Sands - one hit wonders in the UK...it
all boils down to promotion & distribution. If they weren't promoted
on either side of the pond, there wasn't exposure they needed, and
people didn't really know of them in the record buying circles.
I think Cliff's early tunes were killer, no clue how he didn't get a
good push on TV & radio in the USA.
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:24:58 -0000
From: Mark T
Subject: Re: Ben Findon
previously:
> I've got an LP procuded by Ben Findon for the group The Dooleys.
> The title is "The Chosen Few" and it was recorded in 1979.
> Ben Findon wrote the title track and co-wrote all the other tracks
> from this albumn. One of the album's tracks is "You Bring Out The
> Best In Me".
Didn't know he produced them. I love the Dooleys. I just
discovered them a couple of years ago and I have all of
their records except for one that only came out in Japan.
Great pop.
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:49:54 EST
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: Navy Blue vs Midnight Mary
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Eddie........How ya' doin'? I apologize for not welcoming you sooner
> .......but something was holding me back!! I realized what it was
> yesterday, when Clark Blesch posted that your Diane Renay record
> "Navy Blue" knocked my Joey Powers "Midnight Mary" out of the top ten
> 40 years ago...........I must've harbored some deep resentment.
>
> Even though you don't know me.........I want you to know I've almost
> forgiven you!! Seriously, I've enjoyed your posts and have checked out
> your website. I was especially impressed with your "other-worldly"
> paintings.
Thanks, Artie, for the belated welcome. Better late than never. I had
nothing to do with Navy Blue knocking out Midnight Mary...so you'll have
to blame that one on the DJ's. LOL.
Glad ya like my (as you call 'em) Other-worldly paintings. Do you paint?
Ed Rambeau
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:47:39 -0000
From: S'pop Team
Subject: More Coke ads @ musica
Readers are recommended to avail themselves of two more Coke ad
demos freshly installed @ musica. Both were written and performed
by Ellie Greenwich, Mike Rashkow and Steve Tudanger:
"Lazy Day" - vocal by Ellie Greenwich
"It's The Last Time I'll Leave You" - vocal by Mike Rashkow
Now being served here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Enjoy!
The S'pop Team
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:20 EST
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: Re: Concrete & Clay
Austin Roberts wrote:
> Just so you know, your version of Concrete And Clay was huge
> in the Newport News, Virginia Beach and Norfolk areas of
> Virginia where I grew up. I never even heard the other version.
I'm very aware of that fact, Austin, because I played the
Newport News area along with Bobby Vee, Del Shannon, Brian
Hyland and a few other acts at the time. This is one time
I'm glad to say I'm happy you never heard the other version.
LOL.
Ed Rambeau
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:10:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Why Beatles?!!
Herb wrote:
> Since then, I have wondered "Why The Beatles?"
> "What made them hot and others not?" They did
> borrow from other artists.
In many ways when the Beatles hit America it was the
old English expression "like selling coal to Newcastle"
brought to life. Before John & Paul started writing songs
themselves, they kind of thought that only Americans ever
wrote songs, and that wasn't so far off the truth. How many
classic rock & pop songs before the Beatles were written by
British people? Er, hmmm, I'll get back to you on that one...
So they were exporting American songs back to America.
Strange. But the way this magic trick was done is not hard
to discern. All you do is listen to the Isleys' Twist and
Shout and then the Fabs' version. No contest at all. They were
harder, tougher and more exciting than anyone had dared to be
for years. Although I love (some of) the American pop of 1963
it was filled with the likes of Bobby Vinton and Bobby Vee and
all those other Bobbys and Frankies. Rubber Ball, bouncy bouncy.
The Beatles practically killed that style off.
So I really don't think it's difficult to see why the Beatles
were a big success. What still, perhaps, needs to be explained
is why it took America so long (one whole year) to catch up on
them - when the first 4 singles were released in 63 Americans
ignored them - and why only a few months later in January 64
the whole country went completely mad for them. I have heard
the old theory about it being something to do with JFK - the
Beatles were giving American youth the excuse to have a good
time after weeks of national grieving - but I don't know if I
buy that.
pb
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:32:45 -0000
From: Doug Richard
Subject: Re: Norma Tenega
Mac Joseph:
> The last I heard, Norma was living out in Claremont California,
> where she paints. From what I know, after "Walkin my Cat"
> (which is still one of my all-time favs), she went to Europe
> for a while.
Norma Tanega is prominently featured in the book "Dancing
With Demons: The Authorized Biography of Dusty Springfield"
Doug
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:35:07 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: lyrics to instrumentals
Dr. Mark wrote:
> I wonder if there's a vocal version of WIPEOUT!
I don't know of any "WIPEOUT" vocal, but I was surprised to run
across a few interesting vocal versions in recent years.
"I Love Lucy" sung by Desi Arnaz
"Sleep Walk" sung by Betsy Brye
...a follow up on Canadian-American to the Santo and Johnny original.
Surprisingly (or not), she used a different instrumental track.
"Wheels" sung by Robb Storme and the Whispers
...this was cut in the UK, with lyrics added by Wylie Grace in 1961.
The original Storme sheet music also gives Norman Petty credit. When
Storme performed the song, he added even more lyrics, which had been
written in on the sheet music as "la-la's".
Fred Clemens
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:17:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Bibi LaRed
Subject: Re: Rag Dolls / G. Lewis & Playboys
1) Does ANYONE have a pic(s) on the Rag Dolls? I've always been curious ...
2) I've always heard the keyboardist for the Playboys did a modification to
a musical instrument to come up with that unique sound on their tunes. What
was that?
3) COMMENT: Wouldn't you know it! GARY LEWIS & THE PLAYBOYS WERE
ALWAYS MY FAVE 60'S AMERICAN GROUP. KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM ...
OR so I thought ... I never knew the second wave of the PLAYBOYS included a
guitarist who would have as a daughter my fave (and prettiest) actress ...
(Tripplehorn) ... Silly me...
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:58:33 -0000
From: Denny
Subject: Biggest record label blunders!
The most famous blunder is most likely "Please Please Me" by
The "Beattles" (Vee Jay 498)
Then there's "A Question Of Tempature" by The Balloon Farm (Laurie
3405)
And get this: I picked up what I thought was a copy of "Do It (Till
You're Satisfied)" by B.T. Express. (Scepter/Roadshow 12395).
Placed it on the turntable, and to my surprise and shock, the song
turned out to be "I Shot The Sheriff" by Eric Clapton!
Two playing time blunders:
Hold Your Head Up by Argent: The original single (Epic 10852) shows
the correct playing time of 3:15. Epic Memory Lane and grey label
reissues also include the single version, but the labels show the
full LP version playing time of 6:15!
Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin: The original Atlantic single (2690)
was first released with an edited version (3:12), then later pressed
with the common, full version (5:33). The Atlantic Oldies Series
reissue (OS-13116) is the edited 3:12 version, although the label
shows 5:33!
Anyone else have any other blunders to add? Let's hear from ya!
Denny
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:49:24 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Re: Female collectors; spine-shiver songs
previously:
> there are no female record collectors! There's got
> to be some somewhere, although I personally don't know any ...
If the WFMU Record Fair is to be taken as an indication, the female
population there seems to be at or under 5%. Interesting, since there are so
many women on WFMU, which specializes in some very strange music, and they
know their stuff as well as the men do.
Patricia ModGirl wrote:
> So, my question to you guys is. .. WHY DON'T ANY OF YOU
> LIVE NEAR ME??? ;)
Where do you live?
Alan Haber wrote:
> I'm curious about other S'poppers' spine-shiver moments.
This could be a mega-thread -- darn near a transoceanic cable! (It may have
already been -- I'm back to being a week -- and hundreds of messages, the vast
majority worth reading -- behind).
Here are the first few that came to mind:
The Spectors 3, "I Really Do" -- the whole record but especially the
"floating" chorus at the end.
Johnny Cash, "I Walk The Line" -- first time I heard it -- on a car radio --
I'd obviously never heard anything like that before. Couldn't get his tone
and vocal texture out of my head, nor that incredible rhythm section, nor
how intense it was. I wanted my voice to crack so badly so I could sing like
that! (The voice cracked; I still can't sing like that.)
Mary Wells, "Bye Bye Baby" -- that opening "Well!" is earthshaking.
Martha & The Vandellas, "Dancin' In The Street" -- it's 1964, sunny summer
morning, all the car windows down, on the highway on the way to the beach,
and that's what's on the radio just below distortion level.
Dore Alpert, "Dina" (A&M 714) -- Herb's first vocal effort, a gorgeous ballad;
I own three copies, that's how much I love this. First time I heard it, two
chords into the intro, I said to my mother (who was in the room) "I like
this." She said, "How do you know? You haven't heard it yet." I said, "I
just know." I did. I still do.
Clusters, "Darling Can't You Tell" (with Arlene Smith on duet lead vocal;
Tee Gee, 1958) -- simply the best uptempo doo-wop I've ever heard. A cha-cha
with a flute counter-melody, good lyrics, good singin', GREAT bass singer.
45 years later it still nails me.
Special mention: Brian Wilson on the "Pet Sounds" tour -- not just a
spine-shiverer, but tears of joy in my eyes for most of the first half.
Actually, something akin to a religious experience, a revelation.
Is this what you were looking for?
More soon,
Country Paul
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