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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Spine-shiverers
From: Mike Rashkow
2. Re: Styrene vs plastic 45s
From: Bob Radil
3. Re: Patricia Ann Michaels - "Tar And Cement"
From: Jeff Lemlich
4. Re: I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know
From: Bob Radil
5. Re: Feldman, Goldstein, and Gottehrer
From: Guy Lawrence
6. Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes
From: Mike Rashkow
7. Ed Rambeau/"My Own Two Feet"
From: Ian Chapman
8. To John Clemente
From: Phil Hall
9. Re: Stroboscope
From: John Sellards
10. Vance and Pockriss
From: Alan Warner
11. Indianapolis sixties groups
From: Dan Hughes
12. Re: Instrumental vocals
From: Bob Radil
13. Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes
From: John Sellards
14. Re: "I Think We're Alone Now" sdrawkcaB :eR
From: Billy G. Spradlin
15. Re: Billy Ocean's "Love Really Hurts Without You"
From: Billy G. Spradlin
16. Re: Variable tape quality
From: Billy G. Spradlin
17. Re: Steve Tudanger & the Four-Evers
From: Billy G. Spradlin
18. Re: Biggest record label blunders!
From: Bob Radil
19. 4 Evers; Eddie Rambeau
From: Mike Edwards
20. Patricia Ann Michaels
From: ACJ
21. Pavlovian Shivers / Harry Warren
From: ~albabe
22. Top 40 Radio
From: Mark Frumento
23. Re: Austin Roberts Live ?
From: Mike Rashkow
24. Re: Variable Speed Oscillator/Hastening the track...
From: Billy G. Spradlin
25. iPods
From: Denis Gagnon
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:45:13 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Spine-shiverers
I'd like to hang a left on this thread and move it to,
BRAIN SHIVERERS.
I'll start it with trying to count the meter and time to
Michel Camilo's "Just Kidding".
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:21:18 -0000
From: Bob Radil
Subject: Re: Styrene vs plastic 45s
Billy G Spradlin wrote:
> The cheapest vinyl I have ever seen is from Cameo/Parkway's
> Wyncote budget label. They used the worst crap!
As bad as the old ABC Paramount singles or early Dunhill stuff? It
seems they used recycled vinyl, without first removing the labels!
Bob Radil
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:40:45 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Patricia Ann Michaels - "Tar And Cement"
Phil Milstein:
> Joining relatively well-known renditions by Caroline Munro and
> Verdelle Smith, now playing at musica is a newly-discovered
> third version of Vance & Pockriss's "Tar And Cement," by
> Patricia Ann Michaels.
Very nice, Phil, but don't forget there's yet another version of
the song -- by Mel Carter, on Imperial. And very good it is!
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:26:25 -0000
From: Bob Radil
Subject: Re: I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know
Al Kooper wrote:
> "You'll Ever Know...." was the most blatant attempt I ever
> made at trying to construct a hit single. Its subsequent
> failure to become one instantly cured me of that particular
> affliction and I got back to music for music's sake again.
> I do however harbor a fondness for that track...
Hi Al,
Regardless of your intentions, "I Love You More Than You'll Ever
Know" ended up being one of my favorites. I was a bit dissapointed
though last year when filling in on "The 60s Show" on WNHU/New Haven
when I played it from CD and it turned out to be from a different
take or recording from what I remember on the original vinyl LP.
Bob Radil
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:26:53 -0000
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Re: Feldman, Goldstein, and Gottehrer
Bob Celli wrote:
> I can recall seeing the names Feldman, Goldstein, and Gottehrer
> on the flip sides on a couple of my early Bobby Vee singles and
> thinking they were easily good enough to be the "A" sides!...
> Many years later while researching unreleased tracks for upcoming
> reissue projects, we came across a couple of other gems, the
> brilliantly arranged "Willingly" and "Rhythm of Love". "Willingly"
> ended up on the double CD out of the UK. "Rhythm of Love" remains
> in the can. I was wondering if any of these songs were recorded
> and released by anyone else...
Hi Bob,
The beautiful "Rhythm Of Love" is on the Strangeloves wondrous
"I Want Candy" album - one of the best albums of the whole era in
my opinion. Despite their many great recordings, F,G & G have, for
some reason, never acquired the same kind of cult following as, say,
a Spector or a Greenwich.
Bob again:
> and also, what are these three great talents up to now?
Routine searches on the 'net seem to show that all are currently
happy, healthy and active as far as I know. It would be great to
get a F, a G or a G on Spectropop sometime!
Guy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TweedleeDumsDrive-In/
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:07:05 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes
Mike McKay wrote:
> Witness the Official First Cut of the Original Sun Sessions
> Master Recording Tape of Elvis Presley
I know Jim Czak - a good guy and a damn good mixer. I doubt
whether he is out to "make a buck".
I also worked with Joey Reynolds years ago at a small station
in NJ - if he's involved, I'd suggest you hold on to your wallets.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:16:45 -0000
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: Ed Rambeau/"My Own Two Feet"
Ed,
Included somewhere in my top ten list of perfect 60s feel-good
pop records would be Kenny Lynch's "My Own Two Feet," a tune co-
written by you, Bob Crewe and Bud Rehak and issued in '64.
(I think your original title was "On My Own Two Feet"). Only
recently did I get to hear the U.S. version by Hal Miller, after
a few years of searching. I'd always imagined it would be even
better than the Lynch cover and envisaged a typical Crewe stomper
with Rag Dolls-type b-vox. And when I finally got to hear it,
well... it was pretty good, but didn't quite live up to what I
was expecting. Maybe I was brainwashed by the version I'd known
and loved for so long, but I really think Kenny does this great
song full justice – and hey, he's helped out by the Breakaways,
with Ivor Raymonde behind the orchestra! It's a perfect blend –
slick Brill Building songwriting yet also somehow managing to
capture the early Brit mod, "Ready Steady Go!" era. Talking of
which...
U.K. Spectropoppers who were lucky enough to catch (and tape)
the 80s re-screening of vintage "RSG!" footage may remember
Kenny lip-synching the song, following a brief interview with
Cathy McGowan. Not sure if it was on the commercially released
video at the time (several of the songs shown on TV didn't make
it on to that compilation). However, it *was* included in the
video playlist at the first London Spectropop party back in the
summer of '02, for those who were there.
Ed, were you ever aware of this version? If not, it's currently
playing at musica for everybody to check out.
Ian
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:06:39 -0000
From: Phil Hall
Subject: To John Clemente
Mr. Clemente,
I just received my copy of "Girl Groups: Fabulous Females That
Rocked The World" last night and started reading it. I haven't
gotten that far yet, but I did thumb through it, and I can tell
that this is a book I'm going to thoroughly enjoy. I just wanted
to thank for you the time and effort you put into writing it, and
I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the girl group era.
In fact, I'd say it's a must-read for girl group fans.
One of the groups I found most interesting is Dianne & The
Darlettes. Actually, I think the first time I ever heard of them
was when Gale Noble passed away a few years ago. Like so many of
the girl groups from that era, they seemed to have an innocence and
sweetness to them; very unsophisticated and unaffected. I know they
had planned to get back together for rehearsals in 1999, but I'm not
clear on whether or not they ever actually did. Do you know if they
did, and anything else you'd care to add about them will be greatly
appreciated by this fan.
Thank you,
Phil Hall
Clay, NY
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ADMIN. NOTE - John's superlative book is permanently on Spectropop's
recommended reading list - check it out via this link:
http://www.spectropop.com/gg/girl.html
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:29:11 -0000
From: John Sellards
Subject: Re: Stroboscope
Wendy Flynn enquired:
> Hey S'Poppers......anyone know where I can buy a stroboscope
> online? It's a paper circular device you put on your turntable
> to make sure it's playing at the right speed. An English website
> was selling them a few years ago but I cant seem to find
> it now. Thanks!
If you follow this link:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jlf/erepro2.htm
and go down about 3/4 of the page, there's a link to a program
called strobo.exe...it lets you print one out at a handful of given
speeds. It should be what you need - it worked for me.
John Sellards
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:17:19 -0800
From: Alan Warner
Subject: Vance and Pockriss
>From time to time, there have been references to
songwriters Paul Vance and Lee Pockriss. I pulled
out my file on them last weekend and thought this
information might be of interest. Remember it's
not intended to be comprehensive but it does
contain quite an interesting list of accomplishments.
In addition to their biggest hit compositions
as a songwriting team
namely CATCH A FALLING STAR (Perry Como, 1958),
ITSY BITSY TEENIE WEENIE YELLOW POLKA DOT BIKINI
(Brian Hyland, 1960), LEADER OF THE LAUNDROMAT
(The Detergents incl.Ron Dante, 1964) and TRACY
(The Cuff Links aka Ron Dante, 1969), Paul & Lee
successfully adapted a number of overseas songs
including DOMMAGE DOMMAGE (TOO BAD, TOO BAD): a hit
for Jerry Vale in '66, IN MY ROOM (EL AMOR)
(Verdelle Smith, 1966) and TAR AND CEMENT
(IL RAGAZZO DELLA VIA GLUCK)(Verdelle Smith, 1966).
Their original compositions together also included
JIMMY'S GIRL (a hit for Johnny Tillotson, 1961),
PLAYGROUND IN MY MIND (Clint Holmes, 1973),
and I DON'T NEED ANYTHING (Maxine Brown, 1966)
which was successfully covered in the UK by Sandie Shaw.
There was also the novelty song WHILE THE RECORD GOES
AROUND by The Playmates which was a big radio hit in
the UK when EMI released the original American version
on their local Columbia label in 1958.
With Lyn Duddy, Lee Pockriss wrote JOHNNY ANGEL
(Shelley Fabares, 1962); with Hal David, he authored
MY HEART IS AN OPEN BOOK (Carl Dobkins Jr., 1959) plus
two big hits with Bob Hilliard, namely MY LITTLE CORNER
OF THE WORLD (Anita Bryant, 1960) and SEVEN LITTLE
GIRLS SITTING IN THE BACK SEAT (Paul Evans, 1959).
With Eddie Snyder, Paul wrote
WHAT WILL MY MARY SAY (Johnny Mathis, 1963) and again
with Eddie, Paul successfully adapted the Italian
ballad IO TI DARO DI PIU? as CAN I TRUST YOU? with
which The Bachelors charted in '66; then with
Gary Illingworth, Paul wrote THERE'S SO MUCH LOVE ALL
AROUND ME (The Three Degrees, 1971) and with Leon
Carr, he wrote Johnny Mathis's 1962 seller, GINA.
Finally, in addition to Paul recording as a solo artist
on Scepter, Messrs. Pockriss & Vance released their own
novelty instrumental 45 on United Artists in October 1961
on which they were billed as "Lee & Paul". The two tunes
were MANDALINO and NATONAL PASTIME.
Rock on!
Alan Warner
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:26:37 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Indianapolis sixties groups
Guy sez:
> You're right Dan, the Boys [Next Door] were referred to as
> the 'Beach Boys of the Midwest' no less!...
Guy, I did a web search and found that they were from Indianapolis,
where I grew up! They musta' got airplay on our local rock station
(WIFE). You might enjoy this page--a list of sixties groups from
the Indianapolis area who released records:
http://www.danripley.com/Jason/indiana45s/naptownexcel.htm
The only two Indianapolis groups I remember are Sir Winston & the
Commons, who were a whole lot better than you'd guess from their
one Soma single that is floating around ("Someday We're Gonna Love
Again"), and the Dawn Five, who had a great folk-rock song called
"A Necessary Evil," and who were in a bad traffic accident just as
they were becoming very popular. I believe some of the group members
were killed.
---Dan
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:26:49 -0000
From: Bob Radil
Subject: Re: Instrumental vocals
ACJ wrote:
> Mikey: I not only know about the vocal "Walk, Don't Run",
> I have an old promo 45 of it, sung by Tommy Leonetti.
> And while we're on the subject, howzabout "Magic Star," the
> vocal "Telstar"? I have a version by country singer Margie
> Singleton (on Mercury, naturally, since she was Mrs. Shelby S.).
Are these available on MP3?
Bob Radil
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:25:53 -0000
From: John Sellards
Subject: Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes
Mikey wrote:
> The reverb/echo chamber on the Elvis Sun stuff was NOT added
> at the time of recording. There was a small amount of "slapback"
> echo added during the original recording. The echo you hear on
> the Elvis Sun stuff was done in the late 50s, when RCA dubbed
> all the Sun tapes to new masters. They added the echo at that
> point. Sadly, many of the original "clean" Sun tapes were lost
> so that all the now remains are these "dubbed with extra echo"
> tapes. The only way to hear what Elvis really sounded like on
> Sun is to get some clean Sun 78s or 45s. They do exist.
Thank you; I thought so. The Gold Standard series 45s should have
the right versions, but even they sound altered to me.
John Sellards
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:38:50 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: "I Think We're Alone Now" sdrawkcaB :eR
Thanks for playing that mp3, Bob. Tommy James has said for
years the melody for "Mirage" was based on accidentally
playing the tape of "I Think We're Alone Now" backwards.
And I think its cool he even put in some backwards percussion
for the drum break. One of my all-time favorites from him.
ylliB
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:23:41 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: Billy Ocean's "Love Really Hurts Without You"
Phil Milstein:
> Great record! Wonderful encapsulation of the Motown sound. Is
> it on CD, or available for musica-ing?
It's on Rhino's "Have a Nice Day - Volume 23" CD
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:20:05 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: Variable tape quality
Superoldies wrote:
> Not exactly sure on the details, but it was during the '80s
> that a whale embargo/killing ban forced Scotch and others to
> switch from one ingredient in their tapes to using something
> different. The oil they used in the tape breaks down & causes
> it to disintegrate after a few years, and quite a few '80s era
> tapes are in bad shape. I did a project for a group that recorded
> for the Blind Pig label in 1986, and their tapes fell apart on
> the reel as it was being transferred!
>From what I have read tape manufacturers switched from whale oil to
synthetic oil in the mid 70s.
I have many cassettes and a few (glup!) 8-track cartridges that I
recorded in the 70s of radio broadcasts that still play fine after
all these years. It seems that the kind of synthetic oil they used
for consumer tapes has held up longer than the ones they used for
professional reel to reel tape. I have several reels from my DJ days
from the mid 80s that I probably need to transfer to CD-R pronto.
I just wonder how long CDs and recordable CD-Rs will last. I have
had a few of them quit playing after being stored a for couple of
years. (Those notorious "bronzed" Polygram CDs and a few from an
American CD manufacturer called Discovery Systems that made them for
Rhino, Word/Myrrth and many small indie labels in the 80s)
Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:52:52 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: Steve Tudanger & the Four-Evers
Mick Patrick wrote:
> [now at musica]...The 4 Evers "Stormy" (Constellation 151,
> 1965) - Written by Irwin Levine, Bob Brass & Al Kooper,
> Arranged & Conducted by Charlie Calello, and Produced by Al
> Kasha. Given the genius Calello's involvement, the 4 Seasons-
> alike sound should come as little surprise...
"The first time I ever held her in my arms
I knew that she wouldnt be, easy for me
She started fighting and kicking and biting"
YIKES...! Are there any more great tracks from this group?
Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:02:07 -0000
From: Bob Radil
Subject: Re: Biggest record label blunders!
Denny wrote re. label playing time blunders:
> Anyone else have any other blunders to add? Let's hear from ya!
Two versions of "Reflections Of My Life" by Marmalade were released
on singles, 03 :12 and 4:18. I've seen both mislabeled.
I have two copies of "Runaway Child Running Wild" by The Temptations, 04 :30 and 3:17. They're both labeled 3:17.
There's the oldies reissue of "Are You Ready" by Pacific Gas And
Electric that lists the time as 2:40 but has the full 5:49. The true
2:40 version was only on original promo singles. A very close
simulation of this edit was included on a Dick Bartley compilation CD.
And then there's the famous 2:74 listing on "Fakin' It" by Simon And
Garfunkel, but that was intentional.
Bob Radil
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:49:51 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: 4 Evers; Eddie Rambeau
Mick Patrick writes (Re; 4 Evers' "Stormy"):
> Good group, good song, good record. As it's unlikely to turn
> up in stores on a CD any day soon, I've posted it to musica
> for all to hear.
I'm not sure whether or not it turned up in stores but a phenomenal
4 Evers' CD appeared on the Magic Carpet label in the mid-90s. The
cover says Steve Tudanger and the 4-Evers produced it. The CD
features a 12 page booklet and 33 tracks. As well as the 4-Evers'
titles such as "Stormy", "Be My Girl", "(Say I Love You) Doo Bee Dum"
and "A Lovely Way To Say Goodnight", we are treated to songs on which
the 4-Evers sang back-up:
Evan Mitchell – "Pollyanna"
Evan Mitchell – "Get Back In De Bed" (wr: Eddie Rambeau-Bud Rehak))
Vic Thomas – "Marianne"
Tom Crewe (Bob's brother) – "Come On Dream"
The discography in the sleeve notes is very thorough and lists titles
on which the group sang back-up but which are not on the CD. Two
relevant listings are:
Eddie Rambeau – "Concrete And Clay"
Eddie Rambeau – "Come Closer"/"She's Smilin' At Me"
I wonder if Ed can remember anything about this great vocal group.
Some members have resorted to using upper case letters in their
messages. I'm not going to, but you need this CD.
(4-Evers "Forever More", Magic Carpet 1001)
Mike
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:37:03 -0500 (EST)
From: ACJ
Subject: Patricia Ann Michaels
Whenever the jury comes in on whether Patricia Ann Michaels =
Patty Michaels, let me know. I haven't been able to find out
much about her since hearing "They're Dancing Now" on "Where
The Girls Are 5."
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:41:48 -0800
From: ~albabe
Subject: Pavlovian Shivers / Harry Warren
I'm experiencing an interesting Pavolvian situation here.
Sometimes, when I read someone's Shiver song title... I get a
shiver... before I actually hear the song in my head. How's
that for a lasting effect on the soul?
*****************
Since a few of you aficionados mentioned Harry Warren in the
last few digests, I figured I should post this for all you fans.
There's a fantastic Harry Warren special on Terry Gross' Fresh
Air program, from a few years back. It's got some great stuff:
Interviews with Harry, his daughter, and Terry discussing some
minor musical theory thingies with members of the John Pizzarelli
Trio. Great story about hearing "Revelry" at an military camp
and its inspiration for a great tune. The trio does a sweet
version of one of my favorite Warren songs: "You'll Never Know."
It starts on December 31 2001 and continues into the very next
day/year... and you can listen on line right here:
http://freshair.npr.org/day_fa.jhtml?displayValue=day&todayDate=12/31/2001
Uno, dos, one, two, tres, quatro,
~albabe
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:04:37 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Top 40 Radio
Country Paul wrote:
> My 2 cents on the ELO debate: I saw them live early on. Excellent.
> The great songs were great, the trite songs were trite, the hits
> got burned out quickly to my ears, but stayed around too long,
> obscuring some of the really good stuff that didn't make Top 40
> radio. (Actually, that happened to a lot of groups. ....)
I've been thinking about the last sentence in Paul's message for a
few days now (the sign of a good thought-provoking message!).
I don't agree that there was much competition for ELO on Top 40
radio. But, as is stated at the end of Paul's message, aren't there a
lot of musical acts who obscured radio over the years? Haven't the
Beatles been accused of preventing better quality music from getting
into the Top 40 or even on the radio?
I've often wondered if there was ever a time when radio was the
ulimate gauge of quality (i.e. lasting) music?
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:16:57 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Austin Roberts Live ?
Orion wrote:
> Austin, I believe you will be terrific. If you get anywhere near
> Omaha, NE please let me know. I wouldn't miss a concert by you.
Austin, if you get anywhere near Omaha, NE, send me some steaks.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:05:53 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: Variable Speed Oscillator/Hastening the track...
One 45 I have always thought was super VSO'd was the New Colony
Six "Love You So Much" - the drum fills are impossibly fast,
sounding like a machine gun.
I had a friend who DJ'd for KJ-103 in Oklahoma City back in the mid
80s - the staff got sick of playing Steve Miller's "Abracadabra"
that they sped up the 45 to +8 to get it over quickly. No listener
ever called in to complain!
I wonder if anyone from Sundazed (Al?) has ever had a original
master tape they had to speed up to match the original 45?
Billy
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:31:47 -0000
From: Denis Gagnon
Subject: iPods
Al Kooper:
> Hint: There are four generations of Pods. The second & fourth are
> the best. They dont have those four way-2-sensitive-buttons in front
> that cannot be controlled. Much easier to work without them. The 4th
> gen are the brand new "mini" pods which hold a thousand songs and
> cost less than most and have no four buttons on them. Come in 5
> colors also. If you can, avoid the third generation common ipods. I
> think they suck///
Al
I'm curious to know why you think third generation IPODS suck. MY wife
has one of those and I think it works very well. Not as well as my
CreativeLabs's Zen (20Gb USB 2.0), but just about...:o)
Denis
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