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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Another (early) B-side instrumental and one more with lyrics!
From: Mark Hill
2. Re: Scooby Doo
From: Austin Roberts
3. Backwards Tommy James / Late '60s Brill
From: Guy Lawrence
4. Re: Underdog ( ! ) 45 ????
From: Fred Clemens
5. Re: sings the new sound from england
From: Bob Celli
6. Re: Mary Hopkin
From: Ken Mortimer
7. Re: Vocal treatments of Instrumentals
From: Mikey
8. Los Bravos sing Eddie Rambeau
From: Mike Edwards
9. Batman theme
From: Joe Nelson
10. The Beatles and 1963
From: Mike Edwards
11. Re: Vocal treatments of Instrumentals
From: steveo
12. Re: Beatle Myth
From: Tom Taber
13. Re: "I Think We're Alone Now" sdrawkcaB :eR
From: Tom Taber
14. Re: Beatles Bands
From: steveo
15. How Neato
From: Mike Rashkow
16. Re: Emitt Rhodes article
From: Mike Rashkow
17. Re: Billy Stewart
From: Austin Roberts
18. Re: Four Evers Noisy CD
From: Mike Rashkow
19. Re: 1963 from far away...
From: James Botticelli
20. Re: spine-shiver songs
From: Howard
21. Re: Boone & Sebastian & Dylan
From: Al Kooper
22. Re: Sammy answer -- thanks
From: Howard
23. Re: varispeed listening
From: Robert R. Radil
24. Re: Concrete & Clay
From: Mac Joseph
25. Re: Bobby Rydell
From: Mike McKay
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:42:47 -0500
From: Mark Hill
Subject: Another (early) B-side instrumental and one more with lyrics!
Discussing several recent SP topics (K-Tel lps/instrumental B-sides)
with an oldies DJ and he mentioned: ***"The fine 2-LP compilation,
"Feelings," which had Andy Kim's "Rock Me Gently" - although it was
actually the "Part 2" version (instrumental!)."*** And said that the
KIM "Part 2" was the original B-side of the "Rock Me Gently" single.
(And both versions are on the "ANDY KIM" ST-11318 LP)
*That* then reminds of GARY GLITTER- "Rock And Roll- Part 2"
(instrumental) and that the lesser known "R&R- Part 1" was the now
familar instrumental "Part 2" version WITH LYRICS!
One more related note of mine I ran across researching this- Can
someone here confirm or deny that it's TONI WINE on the backing
vocals of "Rock Me Gently." She and Andy Kim were from the same camp
- as it were- and it sure sounds like her.
"Dr. Mark" Hill * The Doctor Of Pop Culture
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:58:24 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Scooby Doo
> Cool info for sure for us Saturday morning tune lovers. Of course,
> "Pretty Mary Sunlite" was actually sung by Jerry Reed, as it was
> part of the Scooby Doo Movies series.
Actually I sang the original version of Pretty Mary Sunlite which
still runs on the Scooby Doo cartoon shows. Jerry Reed did it in one
of the Scooby Doo movies.
> But I was wondering if Austin might share some insight on how he got
> this Scooby Doo gig. Also, I've always thought the sound of "Seven
> Days A Week" was very Archies. Obviously, the success of that musical
> series was the impetus for the Scooby Doo tracks. But did Hanna
> Barbera actually say they wanted an "Archies sound"? And how many
> tracks did you record for the show? How did they present the idea,
> seeing as there was no actual rock band in the show?
Hanna Barbera had asked Danny Janssen (of Hey Little Woman, La La La
fame) to produce the Scooby Doo cartoon show. I guess he liked the way
I sounded on this kind of music, so I became the lead voice and wrote
some of the songs with Danny.
There was nothing said to me about doing an Archies type of vocal, but
I'm sure the success of that show had a lot to do with there wanting
to do Scooby Doo songs with a bubblegum type of sound.
We did around 10 or 12 sides for the show as well as I can remember.
I wrote Seven Days A Week and Pretty Mary Sunlite with Danny, as well
as a couple of others for the show and we just did them in the style
we were doing on the show.
> Also, I have heard for years that an album was released in '69 or
> '70 that included the music from the Scooby Doo series (like those
> Archies & Josie & the Pussycats gems). I've never been able to find
> any evidence of it, though, in my 20+ year search. Does it really
> exist?
After we did Scooby Doo, Danny asked Sue Steward (who sang Bds. with
Mike Stull and me on the SD songs) and myself to help with the new
Josie And The Pussycats cartoon show that Hanna Barbera asked him to
produce after we finished Scooby Doo. I have 2 or 3 songs on that
series as well.
I know there is a CD somewhere on Scooby and I was recently sent a
Josie And The Pussycats cd from a new friend on Spectropop.
> The CD "Scooby-Doo's Snack Tracks" was released by Rhino in 1998.
> The first half is pretty great, but it takes a turn toward the
> unlistenable about halfway through when you get to the songs that
> Hanna-Barbera wrote themselves.
All I can say about those is that none of us were involved with the
later songs.
Thanks for your interest, Austin Roberts
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:02:55 -0000
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Backwards Tommy James / Late '60s Brill
Joe wrote:
> What I've spent the past hour and a half putting together is hopefully
> a little clearer. The two songs don't reverse exactly (i.e. an ABC
> pattern in "Alone" doesn't equal a CBA in "Mirage"), so I created
> edits of the two songs which did reverse, changing the order of events
> around to mesh.
A triumph! Good work Joe. Reminds me what a wonderful record "Mirage" is.
Glenn wrote:
> However, I am sure I can find the early Tommy James interview where
> he made the statement that they reversed the chord sequence of "ITWAN"
> to create "Mirage"
With all due respect to the great Tommy James (never know who might
turn up here these days) was he actually there? A lot of the credit for
that great run of Shondells hits should go to Bo Gentry and Ritchie
Cordell who produced and wrote most of them. It was probably Cordell who
did the backwards trick as he wrote both songs. Someone was asking about
late sixties Brill Building. Gentry and Cordell along with collaborators
such as Bobby Bloom, Sal Trimachi, Jimmy Calvert, Phil Naumann and
Norman Marzano very much represent the new breed who, although their
names popped up on earlier records, came to the forefront in the latter
half of the decade.
Guy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TweedleeDumsDrive-In/
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:29:12 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Underdog ( ! ) 45 ????
OK "Dr. Mark", here's the scoop.
Apparently it could be the original theme song from the TV cartoon
sound track.
First off, it's on LTY Records, with no apparent record number. No, I
take that back. The sleeve says EP#1001, and is copyrighted "Leonardo-
TTV, Inc. 1965". It's only numbers (on the label) are the the
Columbia masters, ZTEP 106586,ZTEP 106587.
The Jay and the Americans United Artists 948 sides it was confused
with, ""Sunday And Me" and "Through This Doorway", used Columbia
masters ZTSP 106057 and ZTSP 106058 respectively. Those sides were
recorded on July 13, 1965, which also produced "Girl" and "Some
Enchanted Evening" (both on UA #919), and "Stop The Clock" (UA 50086).
Getting back on track, here's the side listing just as it appears on
the Canine Crusader's record.
SIDE 1
1. UNDERDOG'S THEME SONG 1:07
(Biggers - Covington - Stover - Harris)
2. HOW UNDERDOG SAVED THE THANKSGIVING
DAY PARADE (Part I) 5:06
>From the Original TV
Cartoon Sound Track "UNDERDOG"
SIDE 2
HOW UNDERDOG SAVED THE THANKSGIVING
DAY PARADE (Part II) 6:08
>From the Original TV Cartoon
Sound Track "UNDERDOG"
Publisher (on both sides):
The Vincent Youmans Co., Inc.
ASCAP
One side of the paper sleeve features "THE UNDERDOG THEME SONG", with
the original cartoon artwork (shades of orange and purple) of our
proud Hero showing his determination to thwart the evil that men
do.
The other side promotes "HOW UNDERDOG SAVED MACY*S THANKSGIVING DAY
PARADE!", with Underdog's in-air capture of Simon Bar Sinister and
his henchman, Cad Lackey.
No one is more disappointed than me that the correct tracks were not
used.
:-(
Fred Clemens
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:30:20 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: sings the new sound from england
Bob Hanes wrote:
> ....it seems to me, all too appropriate that Bobby Vee
> should do such an album. After all, Bobby was discovered
> doing a Buddy Holly schtick, McCartney loved Buddy Holly,
> the Beatles is a play on the Crickets. Heck Bobby even
> recorded an album with the Crickets, I always thought it
> was appropriate. It's his album with the Ventures I never
> "got".
Right Reverend,
The album with the Ventures was of course a sales ploy by Liberty to
put their two best selling acts on an lp, however, both Bobby and
the Ventures did extensive touring of the far east and Canada in the
early sixties, and became fast friends. Bobby's brother Bill was
often asked to sit in with the Ventures on tour to beef up the act.
They loved his playing using his thumbnail. I never was crazy about
the material chosen but technically it is a great sounding session.
Just pick up a copy of the two-fer on Collecatables. Hey Rev, if you
"didn't get it" how would you like to have to write liner notes on
that and sound convincing??? By the time I was finished writing, I
had my self convinced the album made sense!
Bob
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:01:03 -0000
From: Ken Mortimer
Subject: Re: Mary Hopkin
Phil Milstein:
> Does anyone know what Mary Hopkin does these days?
I'm not too sure what Mary Hopkin is doing now. Apart from the
reissued material (her Apple back catalogue and also the material
she recorded in Welsh for Decca way back in the 60's), I haven't
seen anything from her since the 80's. In the 70's she did some
good stuff for Pete Knight and Bob Johnson (of Steeleye Span fame)
on their album 'The King of Elfland's Daughter' (along with people
like Alexis Korner and Pat Arnold). In the 80's she released a
very nice album of classical pieces called 'Spirit'.
Would be great to hear some new stuff - she's a rare talent.
Ken
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:02:02 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Vocal treatments of Instrumentals
I also might add that The Lettermen had a nice hit in 1965 with their
EXCELLENT version of "Theme From A Summer Place" done in their stunning
three part vocal style. The record sounds great even today.
Mikey
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:26:15 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Los Bravos sing Eddie Rambeau
Hi Ed,
The Los Bravos song you wrote was "Make It Last" (Parrott 3020,
1968), which was released as the b-side of their last US hit, "Bring
A Little Lovin'".
The February 2004 Collectors' Choice Catalog informs us that there is
a new Los Bravos CD out on import. Quote:
"25 tracks from the Spanish garage band, the most complete collection
ever! Includes, of course, Black Is Black; Going Nowhere; Bring A
Little Lovin'; I Want A Name, Brand New Baby; Make It Last and more
(CD - $19.95)"
Some of us put together a fan club site for Ed about a year ago under
the guidance of Spectropop member, Rosemarie, an absolute wiz with all
things web. You can find it at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rambeau_fan_club/
Go to the database section and you will find two listings: one of
Ed's recordings, the second of the songs Ed wrote that were recorded
by himself and other artists. It's duly noted that Shirley
Matthews' "Big Town Boy" got to # 4 in Canada on January 27, 1964,
almost 40 years ago to this day.
If you go to Photos>Records, you'll find about 60 scans of the 45s
recorded by Ed and the artists that recorded his songs. Lovers of the
UK Stateside label will find a few of these here. The Kenny Lynch 45
is there as UK HMV promo. Belated thanks to members Frank Wright,
Martin Roberts and Leonardo Flores (whatever happened to him?) for
the materials they kindly made available.
Mike
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:30:06 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Batman theme
Surprised I never thought to ask this one before now - does anyone know
if the TRUE recording of the Batman TV show theme has ever appeared on
disc? Even the Neal Hefti and Nelson Riddle records turned out to be
different recordings. I've been trying to search this out with a
friend for years with no success.
TIA,
Joe Nelson
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:35:39 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: The Beatles and 1963
Paul writes:
> Although I love (some of) the American pop of 1963 it was filled
> with the likes of Bobby Vinton and Bobby Vee and all those other
> Bobbys and Frankies. Rubber Ball, bouncy bouncy. The Beatles
> practically killed that style off.
Doc replies:
> You are just wrong. Go to the library and read my 1991 book, "The
> Beatle Myth." Out of 10,000 records (that I just sold), my very
> first was Bobby Vee's "Please Don't Ask About Barbara." And I kept
> it when I sold the rest. But the claim that the Beatles killed of
> American music is just plain wrong. And that's not just MHO. I
> checked the charts!
Maybe I'm over sensitive but I find Doc's response to be too much of
a put down and of the type that discourages fans to post comments to
Spectropop. Paul is offering an opinion and for him to have to go to
the library to find the details behind your response is just plain
unhelpful. Do we all have to go the library? It's sub zero here in
the Northeast and I have no intention of leaving my home. Why not
summarize your response on Spectropop? You never know, we may be then
induced to buy your book.
Paul, I believe, comes from the UK and the whole 1963 thing went down
so differently over there. The media and record charts were dominated
by newly sprung up UK beat groups with a consequent de-emphasis of
American acts. Hit-making US acts such as Dion, Freddy Cannon, Bobby
Vee, Chubby Checker, Duane Eddy, Connie Francis, the Everly Brothers
and Bobby Darin saw their chart fortunes decline significantly in
1963. Conversely, Bo Diddley saw his first UK chart action in 1963
when he broke through with "Pretty Thing" – indicating a shift in
taste. (John Lee Hooker's "Dimples" charted in the UK the following
year).
Did the Beatles cause all this? I'm not sure but I enjoy reading and
participating in discussions relating to this topic – at my PC, if
you know what I mean, Doc.
Mike (who remembers John Peel playing Bobby Vee's "Please Don't Ask
About Barbara" on the BBC in the 70s – it is a class record)
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:42:29 -0800 (PST)
From: steveo
Subject: Re: Vocal treatments of Instrumentals
Frank wrote:
> Actor James Darren released vocal versions of two
> Duane Eddy instrumentals - "Because They're Young" and
> "Gidget Goes Hawaiian",both on Colpix singles, etc...
Frank,
"Because They're Young", written by Don Costa, Aaron
Schroeder and Ernest Gold, had a middle section that
was really pretty. I discovered this by looking at a
lead sheet of the song. This middle part is not heard
on the Duane Eddy version. Also the lead sheet had
words, and now I know who recorded it. I assume that
Aaron wrote the words, since the other 2 men are more
or less strictly musicians.
Steveo
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:00:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Beatle Myth
Doc Rock wrote:
> PS The Beatles LOVED American early '60s music!
Haven't we all met a Beatles fan who loves everything
they ever recorded, and at best is indifferent to, and
at worst loathes, anything from the Brill Building?
I'll never understand it.
Tom Taber
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:47:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: "I Think We're Alone Now" sdrawkcaB :eR
Glenn wrote:
> Seriously, after hearing the segments you played to
> Musica, Bob, there can be absolutely no denying that
> the segment from "Mirage" is exactly "ITWAN" played
> backward. It's stunning!
Now, if I or anyone else were to go play "Eleanor
Rigby" or "Satisfaction" or "Does Your Chewing Gum
Lose Its Flavor" BACKWARDS, and turned it into a hit
song, where would I stand legally, if caught? Tommy
James can't have a monopoly on songs where that would
work. (I believe Dave Davies redid one of his songs
that way, but it kinda sucked.) Does the writer own
the notes in any direction?
Tom Taber
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:04:54 -0800 (PST)
From: steveo
Subject: Re: Beatles Bands
Al Kooper wrote:
> In case any of you missed it, theres an album called Faith Hope &
> Love by Kings X on Atlantic, About 9 years old I think. This is the
> best pseudo Beatle album I ever heard because it supposes what The
> Beatles might've sounded like in the 90's. I'll send ya your money
> back if ya dont like it!
Al,
That's what i like about the oldies, such as the
Beatles,etc. They will always sound like the '60s
and not the nineties! lol (but i understand what you
mean)
Steveo
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:33:27 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: How Neato
While I'm typing this I'm watching the most interesting documentary flick on
the Independent Film Channel -- name "Grateful Dawg".
It encompasses the long collaboration between Jerry Garcia and David Grisman
with a focus on the bluegrass/acoustic roots they shared before and during the
success of the "Dead".
They played and recorded together over the years in a number of bands including
the group Old And The Way which had several manifestations and at least three or
four albums.
Great footage and great music along with interesting commentary and interviews.
Most enjoyable and highly recommended. Their various incarnations covered
a wide range of musical styles including an album of children's music.
Hope I can find the DVD.
I would have loved to call all of you and tell you to turn it on, but I'd rather return
to watching it. Forgive me.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:12:08 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Emitt Rhodes article
previously:
> Thought you folks might be interested in the cover story on
> Emitt Rhodes that ran in yesterday's CityBeat out here in LA.
Uh oh! Don't read this unless you're pretty well emotionally balanced.
Scary and very, very sad.
No di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:41:47 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Billy Stewart
John Sellards wrote:
> Gosh, give me "I Do Love You" any day over "Summertime",
> which is a little overblown to me. That's one of the great
> things about this group, we've all got slightly different
> versions of pretty much the same taste in music!
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm picking up info and opinions I would never
find anywhere else. Onward!
Austin R.
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:56:14 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Four Evers Noisy CD
T.T. signed:
> Tom Taber, reasonable guy or anal-retentive
> perfectionist - you be the judge!
Reasonably anal-retentive?
Here come 'da judge,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:13:58 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: 1963 from far away...
previously:
> The Beginning Of The End ... As later titled by Funky Nassau.
> Let's hear it for '63
That was 1963?? Please elaborate? I have a 2003 remix of it but did not know
it was covered by Beginning of the End. Who did the original????? And where
oh where can I get it?
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:28:31 EST
From: Howard
Subject: Re: spine-shiver songs
I can't let this pass without adding my all-time favourite artist, who has
definitely influenced so many performers down the years, I'm talking
about the late great ROY HAMILTON. ... Dark End Of The Street, Earthquake,
Baby You Shook Me Up, Cracking Up Over You, and so many more!
cheers,
Howard
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:43:56 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Boone & Sebastian & Dylan
> Do you have any memory of Steve Boone playing bass on a
> Zimmerman session? I met you at Ralph's in Hollywood once years ago!!
There is actually a photo of John Sebastian with a bass at a Dylan session.
That is where THAT revisionism must come from. Dylan & Sebastian were
pre-Spoonful pals.
AK
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:05:43 EST
From: Howard
Subject: Re: Sammy answer -- thanks
Simon wrote:
> Howard, it was "You Can Count On Me", which of course you knew, and I
> can't remember the album title either, but it was on 20th Century. It
> came up on Spectropop before I think.
Steveo wrote:
> There may be a reason why Sammy recorded that. His
> former conductor and friend Morty Stevens wrote that,
> before George Rhodes, his newer conductor, took over.
Rat Pfink wrote:
> don't know which album it was on but the title was "You Can Count
>On Me" and it was the b-side of the 45 "Snap Your Fingers" (20th
>Century 6162-101, 1976).
Thanks Simon, Steveo and Rat P.
I'm relatively new to Spectropop so sorry to those who have talked about
this track previously. I guess Bobby Sheen has been done to death on the
list too, as he was a 'Spector' artist with Bob B Soxx & The Blue Jeans!!
Howard
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:31:34 -0000
From: Robert R. Radil
Subject: Re: varispeed listening
Al Kooper wrote:
> I gotta say that back in the days of marijuana, I quite enjoyed
> perusing certain 45s at 33+1/3.
That just reminded me of another example. Back in 1978 someone
noticed that if you take the LP of "Imaginary Lover" by The Atlanta
Rhythm Section and play it at 45rpm, the lead singer sounds a bit like
Stevie Nicks! Someone told me that one station actually played it on
the air that way!
Bob Radil
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:44:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Mac Joseph
Subject: Re: Concrete & Clay
Ed Rambeau wrote:
> Yes, Mac, it was recorded as a solo venture. Wasn't in any group
> ever. I started in the recording business when I was 17.
Dear Ed;
Thank you for the response. I would love to hear your version. You can send it to max.weiner [at] igt.com. Once again, I must apologise about recognizing your name, but, that's what so great about Spectropop, you learn something new everyday!
Take care, all the best!!
Mac Joesph
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:39:40 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Bobby Rydell
John Fox wrote:
> ... The first line, > to match 9 notes of the tune, went "Telstar above,
> send a message to my love..." (11 syllables). This must have been in
> during Bobby's British cover period (love his Cockney pronunciation of
> the word "lock" on World Without Love).
A propos of this last point, I've yet to see a more convincing argument for
the days of the "Bobbys" truly being over than Rydell's slaughtering of "World
Without Love" on the Ed Sullivan show (caught it when VH-1 used to rerun these
-- I don't know if it's out on one of the videos or not).
There he was in full geek mode, snapping his fingers like some sort of bad
Vegas lounge singer -- totally clueless as to how to put the song across. One of
the cheesiest rock 'n' roll moments I've ever seen!
Mike
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