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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Ray Hildebrand Question
From: Frank Wright
2. Re: question for Austin Roberts re: Emitt Rhodes
From: Clark Besch
3. Songs not in the movie
From: Mike Edwards
4. "Don't Take Candy From A Stranger"
From: Al Kooper
5. "It's Been So Nice Loving You"
From: Al Kooper
6. "Love Trap"
From: Al Kooper
7. Buddy Holly after 45 years
From: David Coyle
8. Team spirit
From: S'pop Team
9. Roy Hamilton
From: Peter Richmond
10. Re: Feldman, Goldstein & Gottehrer
From: Dan Hughes
11. Re: Feldman, Goldstein, and Gottehrer
From: Ed Salamon
12. Re: Italian originals
From: Scott Charbonneau
13. Re: cigarette commercial music
From: Paul Evans
14. The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
From: Simon White
15. Re: Feldman, Goldstein & Gottehrer / Pubert
From: Phil Milstein
16. Weirdly grooved records
From: Tom Taber
17. The Wonderful Home Transmitter
From: John Sellards
18. Re: Finding Rambeau, Roberts and Paul Evans
From: Paul Evans
19. Re: Donovan & Mary Hopkin & Al Kooper
From: Ken Mortimer
20. European language versions
From: Julio Niño
21. Re: Sebastian & Boone & Dylan
From: Steve Harvey
22. Re: You Left the water Running
From: Bill Reed
23. A little help over here
From: Mike Rashkow
24. Re: New @ S'pop - Emily's Illness: Diagnosis Of A Song/ The Strangers
From: C Ponti
25. Re: Spine Shiverers / Big Finishes
From: Dan Hughes
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:22:35 -0000
From: Frank Wright
Subject: Re: Ray Hildebrand Question
Cleber:
> Holy Cow, I have been wanting to here Mr Balloon Man for years
> and yes he is now a Christian singer. Anyway you could play Mr
> Balloon Man to musica?
I have the Ray Hildebrand stereo 45 on Metromedia, and can post it to
Musica, however Musica is full. If you care to contact me off-list,
I will be happy to Email it to you. It is a great record from "Paul"
of Paul & Paula.
Frank Wright
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:17:13 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: question for Austin Roberts re: Emitt Rhodes
Austin, No apologies necessary. I am glad you were luckier, even tho
at the time, Emitt may have looked like he had the better deal when
signed to Dunhill. Sometimes, session players and writers end up a
lot better off money-wise, provided they held on to their songs
legally. I can see how not having producers, managers and lable
execs around would tend to not let anyone see that Emitt was working
his Lp, not lying back on his contract. It also wouldn't let him
become friends with these people to let them see that he was willing
to do as much as possible to get out what he could, even if it wasn't
every 6 months. Even McCartney got a band for his second Lp, but I
think he needed a band at that point, because he loved being in a
band. Emitt had a band that he really didn't need or want, so he
wanted the solo thing.
All that dubbing didn't help the Lp's sound, but it still came off as
one of my faves. His website has interviews from 1970 and he was low
keyed even then. Actually, this new story is much BETTER sounding
than the ones I've read the last 20 years, if you can believe that.
In December, 1970, I wasn't searching for another Beatles, but here
it was (almost). I'd had that feeling earlier in the year when I
first heard the BG's "Lonely Days" (remember that the Bee Gees were
barely heard in 69 and 70 up to that song), but this was really
Beatles sounding! That's what I wanted on the second Lp. I got
about 50% great stuff and 45% good. The third, which was nearly
IMPOSSIBLE to find in the first place, had 0 great songs, 50% good
and 50% not good songs, so I was disappointed immensely. But that's
the way it is for the fans, we don't know what's going on. We just
know we want the first Lp again and more imortantly, the "feeling" we
got from the first album.
Take care, Clark
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:26:53 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Songs not in the movie
Previously:
> Songs w. Same Title As A Movies But Not Otherwise Related.
Al Kooper responds:
> The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance by Gene Pitney - NOT in the movie
> of the same name.
Very true but as that song was so intertwined with the movie, I
wonder if it meets the criterion set by the member posing the
question. The subject of Burt Bacharach songs that did and did not
appear in movies is worthy of a separate posting. In the meantime,
now playing at the multiplex, we have:
Honey:
Film – Dir: Bille Woodruff / Star: Jessica Alba
Song – Bobby Goldsboro
The Tracker
Film - Rolf de Heer / David Gulpilil
Song – Sir Douglas Quintet
Walking Tall
Film – Kevin Bray / The Rock (also Phil Karlson / Joe Don Baker -
1973)
Song – Steve Lawrence
Calendar Girls
Film – Nigel Cole / Helen Mirren
Song – Neil Sedaka
Radio
Film – Michael Tollin / Cuba Gooding Jr.
Song – Shakin' Stevens & Roger Taylor
Stuck On You
Film – Farrelly Brothers / Matt Damon
Song – Elvis Presley
Back to "Liberty Valance", with a cast that included John Wayne, Lee
Marvin and Jimmy Stewart, it's amazing that it was shot in black and
white as late as 1962. Maybe the producers didn't have enough in the
budget to pay Burt Bacharach either. Nonetheless, a truly great
western and John Ford's best film. Remember the scene where the
doctor attending the fallen Lee Marvin asks the crowd for some
whiskey and then drinks it himself as the crowds' gaze is on Marvin
anticipating that the whiskey is for him. Classic.
Mike
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:35:11 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: "Don't Take Candy From A Stranger"
Ian Chapman:
> "Don't Take Candy from A Stranger" - Gene Pitney. Love it! Could
> almost be a girl-group number with the jangling piano and castanets.
> And are those bagpipes?
That is the mystical ondioline overdubbed 3 times.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:37:13 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: "It's Been So Nice Loving You"
> "It's Been Nice Loving You" - in a similar vein to the Boone song, I
> only know this by UK singer Don Fardon, ex-singer with the Sorrows,
> who later hit with "Indian Reservation." I've never tracked down an
> American original, but I think it may be by Calvin Grayson on Capitol
> (can you confirm, Al?)
Calvin Grayson on Capitol. We wrote it for the Righteous Brothers.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:38:40 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: "Love Trap"
> "Love Trap" - T.D. Valentine - as played on the UK northern soul
> scene back in the 70s.
Did I ever point out that this was Tommy Mottola future president of
SONY Records and the first Mr. Mariah Carey ?
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:25:37 -0800 (PST)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Buddy Holly after 45 years
Someone mentioned Buddy Holly's version of "Brown Eyed
Handsome Man" as being one of the reasons 1963 was a
good year for pop music. Oddly enough, this is four
years after his death when unreleased Buddy Holly
songs, both straight and overdubbed, were coming out
seemingly every year. In this regard, he was the Tupac
Shakur of his era.
John Gunderson's excellent bio "Remembering Buddy"
quotes an early '60s writer as saying "I give the
[Buddy Holly] cult five more years."
Yet, 45 years later, Buddy Holly's music lives on.
February 3rd is coming up soon, and is still being
remembered as "the day the music died" (except maybe
on Spectropop where the case against this myth is
proven every day). The Surf Ballroom is still an eerie
reminder of that last great Winter Dance Party, and
the draw to the crash site is still enough that a book
of famous pop culture landmarks lists almost
obsessively specific directions to the scene.
There's a guy named John Mueller who has been touring
as Buddy Holly, in a show variously called the Summer
Dance Party or the Winter Dance Party, which also
features J.P. Richardson II performing his father's
songs. It's as close as one will ever get to the magic
of those early days of rock and roll.
How is the "day the music died" being remembered this
year? Shamefully, the demand for Buddy Holly music
does not seem to be enough that the definitive Buddy
Holly collection has been released for the digital
age. MCA's "The Buddy Holly Collection" is still the
best source of his work, while "The Complete Buddy
Holly," their landmark 6-LP set, remains a tough find
in LP and cassette format, and is still in limbo for a
decent reissue. If you're really into it, there's
numerous bootlegs, including the "What You've Been
A-Missing" boxed set.
I just recently listened to NPR's "All Things
Considered" segment about the "apartment tapes,"
Buddy's last recordings made in his NYC apartment in
Jan. 1959. I also picked up a CD called "Buddy Holly
With The Picks: Only The Love Songs." This CD was
almost a travesty, where even familiar hits which were
perfect in 1957-58 were overdubbed with overeager
backing vocals, and several of Holly's posthumous
releases were fleshed out by various Fireballs and
Picks. Hearing tracks like "Learning The Game," "What
To Do," "That's What They Say," "Love Is Strange" and
"You're The One" in this form remind one why the
simple unadorned versions should be heard.
This should be the year of Buddy Holly. A lot of the
future history of rock and roll might never have been
made if death hadn't made him a legend. While
Brylcreem Bobbies made pop music respectable for
adults by taking it back to the days of the big band
crooners, groups like the Beatles and the Hollies and
the Searchers remained in the Buddy Holly "cult" and
gave rock and roll the kickstart it needed. Buddy
Holly remained an influence even on the pop crooners
and both schools of pop were able to learn from
Buddy's example.
"I didn't hear them say a word of when that time would
be..."
David
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:06:22 -0000
From: S'pop Team
Subject: Team spirit
Dear Members
These past few months have witnessed a meteoric rise
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Maintaining the flow of tidy, comprehensible messages
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if messages could be as close as possible to the format
of the sample message below.
May we also take this opportunity to gently remind members
that, although guidelines are flexible, our declared area
of interest is primarily pre-Woodstock 60s pop, especially
the era of the Brill Building writer/producer.
Thanks to everbody whose numerous interesting contributions
have helped further Spectropop's increasing popularity.
S'pop Team
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:24:57 -0000
From: Peter Richmond
Subject: Roy Hamilton
Art Longmire wrote;
>I never knew that "100 Years" was a Bill Medley cover. The record
>label does mention that the song comes from the movie "Riot".
Bill Medley recorded the version of "100 Years" as used on his
"Soft & Soulful" album at Western Recorders in LA on 9 December
1968, I have no information relating to the recording of the much
longer and alternate version that was used in the film "The Riot".
Incidentally Bill Medley recorded an unissued version of "Dark End
Of The Street" on 22 July 1970 for MGM Records using the same AMG
Studio in Memphis, and producer Chips Moman, as Roy Hamilton had
on his version the previous year.
Howard wrote;
> Can anyone out there furnish me with a full US discography,
> (I have his UK discography)
I have sent you a complete Roy Hamilton US singles discography
offlist, if any other Spectropop members would like a copy,
contact me offlist.
Peter Richmond.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:39:50 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: Feldman, Goldstein & Gottehrer
Steveo sez,
> As far as the Feldman and assoc bag..I think they also
> procduced the Strangeloves.."I Want Candy".
I think they WERE the Strangeloves, weren't they?
Claiming to be Australian sheep-herders or some such?
---Dan
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:45:34 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: Feldman, Goldstein, and Gottehrer
Trevor Ley:
> Just seeing that title made the eyes swell up. That was
> often a closing song at dances I went to here in suburban
> Pittsburgh. I remember those three names, too. Always read
> the little print credits.
> Anyone know what else they contributed to?
You may remember them appearing on Clark Races' Dance Party
as the Strangeloves ("Giles, Niles and Miles - sheep herders
from Australia") lip synching "I Want Candy". Another Pittsburgh
reference, Mad Mike played their follow up "Nightime" as well
as their "Twelve Months later" as The Sheep. I got to spend some
time with Richard Gotteher in NY in the late 70s when he was
producing Robert Gordon.
Ed Salamon
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:27:25 -0000
From: Scott Charbonneau
Subject: Re: Italian originals
Piangi Con Me - The Rokes. Done in English as Be Mine Again by
Dutch band the Skope and, of course, as Let's Live For Today by
The Living Daylights, The Grass Roots and The Rokes themselves.
Scott
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:52:39 -0000
From: Paul Evans
Subject: Re: cigarette commercial music
Eddy:
> Another great one is Paul Evans' "Happiness Is", a hit by Ray
> Conniff, which became the first of many commercial jingles Paul
> wrote when it was used as "To a smoker it's a Kent"
Eddy,
Thanks for the compliment ("Another great one is ... ") :-)
Here's a story about the Kent Cigarette jingle that you might find
interesting:
Federal law prohibited cigarette makers from equating "happiness"
with cigarette smoking in their advertisements. Because of the
popularity of Ray Conniff's recording (It hit the Billboard Top 100),
the ad agency had the phrase, "Happiness Is", played instrumentally
and assumed that the listening audience would supply the words
unconsciously.
I guess that the audience did as predicted because the campaign ran
for more than three years.
Paul
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:54:24 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
This Sunday, 1st February 2004 on Soul 24-7
http://www.soul24-7.com/index.htm at 2-4pm G.M.T..
THE METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW
2 HOURS OF NORTHERN STUFF.
http://www.soul24-7.com/djs/djmet.htm
with - The Utterly Marvellous Simon White.
Be there or be square.
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:23:33 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Feldman, Goldstein & Gottehrer / Pubert
Steveo wrote:
> As far as the Feldman and assoc bag..I think they
> also procduced the Strangeloves.."I Want Candy".
Beyond that -- FGG *were* The Strangeloves.
Jules Normington wrote:
> Now this will sound horribly obscure of me....but nobody
> has ever attempted and pulled off a better "Sgt. Pepper's.."
> era Beatles take, than the very recent PUBERT BROWN FRIDGE
> OCCURRENCE with their "A Once And Future Thing" album.
Interesting name. When Charles Addams was cooking up plans for
The Addams Family TV series, the name he proposed for the porcine
young boy (who, like all Addams' ghoul family characters, went
unnamed in his original cartoons) was "Pubert." That idea, of
course, was ixnayed by network executives, and someone or other
came up with "Pugsley" as its replacement -- which, I admit,
was almost as good.
--Phil M.
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:47:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Weirdly grooved records
I'm looking for more examples of records that had two or more
grooves on a side - one Monty Python LP was done this way.
What 10 minutes of comedy you got was dependent on the luck of
which groove the needle fell in. I had that album for quite some
time before I realized it had three sides!
The other I remember was "The Chariot Race" 45 - it had at least
4 outcomes, and you didn't know till the end (i.e. "And the winner
is the GREEN chariot!") which one you were getting! Were there
others? It would have been a great way to do a 4 song EP. I wonder
if a CD could in theory be made the same way?
Tom Taber
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:00:25 -0000
From: John Sellards
Subject: The Wonderful Home Transmitter
This is somewhat left of center, but I get so much out of
it (I use it every day) I thought I should pass it along...
it's an $18 kids toy called the Wild Planet Radio DJ, and
it's a decently powered legal home AM transmitter that
broadcasts on 1610 (which can be convereted to another
frequency with a different crystal). Coupled with Winamp
and the various crossfader and limiter plug-ins, you can
really feel like you have your own station in your house,
which, especially considering the state of radio, is nice.
But only in America, I think. And sorry Al, no stereophonic sound.
John Sellards
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:58:25 -0000
From: Paul Evans
Subject: Re: Finding Rambeau, Roberts and Paul Evans
Clark:
> Then, I spotted "What Can I Wish For You
> My Son" by Ron Marshall on Intrepid (probably 1970). It was
> produced by Art Wayne and arranged by Dean Christopher and
> Art Wayne. Any comments on these, guys?
Clark,
If the Ron Marshll you're referring to is the one I knew, he had a
terrific career as a voice-over artist in the studios of New York.
I think his biggest commercial was for Trident Gum.
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:27:05 -0000
From: Ken Mortimer
Subject: Re: Donovan & Mary Hopkin & Al Kooper
I love that song 'Lord of the Reedy River'. Esther Ofarim
did a lovely version of it....
Ken
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:59:33 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: European language versions
Hola.
Mike Edward wrote about ("Grande, Grande, Grande") :
> ...Can anyone play Mina's version to musica? Her stuff is
> difficult to track down ˆ even if you contact Italy..."
Mike, I think I have her Spanish version of "Grande, Grande,
Grande" somewhere. Personally, I don´t like it very much,
it is too seventies style for my taste, but I can play it to
musica if you are interested.
Now that we are talking again about Mina, let me recommend
to you a rather forgotten 1966 track by her, "Breve amore",
composed by the great Piero Piccioni. The original version
of the song was included in the soundtrack of "Fummo di Londra".
The version in the film was sung in English by Julie Rogers,
and titled "You Never Told Me", although, oddly, the version
included on the record of the original soundtrack of the movie
released in 1966 didn't include Julie's version but Lydia
MacDonald's. My favourite version is by far Mina's.
Paul Bryant :
> ...Next question, for Italians only - why'd you stop
> writing those great ballads?...
Paul, although I'm not Italian (I'm Spanish), I can assure you
that Italians have never stopped composing, singing and having
hits with ultradramatic ballads. Think of Umberto Tozzi, Ricardo
Cocciante, Lucio Battisti, Sandro Giacobe, Toto Cotugno, Lucio
Dalla, and many more. But for me, most of the magic went with
the sixties.
You also asked in your message about the possible Italian origin
of Little Peggy March's "I will Follow Him", I think the original
version of the song is in French by "Petula Clark ("Chariot",
Disques Vogue 1962), although she also recorded the song in Italian.
Best wishes.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:48:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Sebastian & Boone & Dylan
Al Kooper wrote:
> Too lazy to look but I'm betting John Hammond Sr is out of
> the picture on BIABH and Tom Wilson is firmly in place,
> therefore John Srs. connections mean nothing here.
You're right about Hammond. There are shots of Tom
Wilson at the BIABH sessions (who has been discussed
on these pages many a time).
Steve Harvey
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:20:59 -0000
From: Bill Reed
Subject: Re: You Left the water Running
Frank Murphy:
> I believe Maurice and Mac did the original version of "You
> left the water Running" It was written by Box Tops producer
> Dan Penn, Rick Hall and ? Frank and recorded at Fame studios
> for Chess.
> Both Maurice McAlister and McLauren "Mac" Green were members
> of The Radiants.
> Dan Penn later recorded his own version on "Do right man".
And, of course, there was a posthumously overdubbed demo of "..Water
Running" by Otis Redding that was released. I have always been very
curious as to who produced the final recording. There is no info
given on any of the releases, originally a single and then on some
comps. It is excellent. I would say that it is equal to the same
treatment given Lennon's Free as a Bird. Does anyone know who
produced, and who were the musicians on the final recording? I have
always suspected Chips Moman and the usual Memphis suspects, Penn,
Oldham, et al.
Also I have kept an eye open for the Roy Hamilton LP produced by
Moman and also mentioned in these parts the last few days, but have
never been able to find it. Hard to come by? Rare? Pricey?
Bill Reed
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:44:16 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: A little help over here
If any members of the group own a 45 on Atlantic of The Other
Voices, "May My Heart Be Cast Into Stone" would they let me
know off-line.
Also, if you own the record, do you have a turntable that
has speed adjustment capability?
Also, thanks to all who sent me notes for Steve Tudanger.
I'm sure when he gets the package he'll be touched by the
many kind comments and thoughts sent to him.
Mike Rashkow
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:28:41 -0000
From: C Ponti
Subject: Re: New @ S'pop - Emily's Illness: Diagnosis Of A Song/ The Strangers
S'pop Team wrote:
> "'Emily's Illness', a forgotten 45 from late 1967 recorded by a
> 17-year-old non-singer named Nora Guthrie (the daughter of folk
> legend Woody), is an overpowering musical force.
Dear Team,
Nora was and is a joy. The Strangers were such a great band,
one I heard many times, and Gallway and Altman's contributions
to music are vast. It wasn't in the cards for Nora to succeed
in music, nor was it for many great artists who came out of the
Pop music explosion in the 60s Greenwich Village. I am so glad
to see you shed some light on these people. I still am influenced
by the Strangers in my music, so unique was their sound....
C Ponti
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:33:14 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: Spine Shiverers / Big Finishes
Rob sez
> Labelle/"Miss Otis Regrets.... I have many versions of
> this song, but nothing comes as close to giving me
> palpitations as this little beauty.
Rob, have you heard the version on Anna Black's first
Epic album? Slow and sultry, and unlike anything else
on the album. Gives me goosebumps.
---Dan
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