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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: monkees late stuff
From: Richard Hattersley
2. Re: question for Austin Roberts re: Emitt Rhodes
From: Austin Roberts
3. Bogus groups
From: Phil Hall
4. Beatle Covers
From: Steve Harvey
5. Time Is On My Side
From: James Botticelli
6. Mark & Clark - a real group!
From: Jeff Lemlich
7. Re: Songwriting credits on House Of The Rising Sun
From: Richard Hattersley
8. Re: Lost Songs On Radio
From: Dan Hughes
9. Re: Awesome (Odd-some?) group names
From: Jeff lemlich
10. Re: The Kitchen Cinq
From: Javed Jafri
11. Re: Intriguing Goffin-King hoax?
From: Jeff Lemlich
12. Kitchen Cinq
From: Mike Dugo
13. Re: Monkees
From: Joe Nelson
14. Re: Peggy March
From: TD
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:01:08 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Re: monkees late stuff
I think the Head album is marvelous. Instant Replay was
largely pretty bad, but I do really like Mikes "I wont be
the same without her" albeit a 1966 out take. However, I
think Monkees Present was a really nice album. Micky songs
were really strong, "Mommy and Daddy", "little girl" and his
mum's "pillow time" Davy's "French song" is nice too. Changes
is an grim record (except Midnight Train) they definitely should
have knocked on the head then.
Richard
http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:22:44 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: question for Austin Roberts re: Emitt Rhodes
ALL true Clark. It all comes back to "let the artist do what
they did that made you love them in the first place!!"
No telling what he might have come up with.
AR
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 02:17:59 -0000
From: Phil Hall
Subject: Bogus groups
While searching for info about the Poni-Tails recently, I noticed
they have their own web-site (http://www.theponitails.com/).
But it doesn't take much of a look to see that this group has
NOTHING to do with the original group. I know there used to
be a bogus Shangri-Las and Shirelles too, although I don't know
if either is still around. In fact, in the late 80's, the bogus
Shangri-Las sued the real group for using their own name. Who are
some of the other bogus groups and how can they get away with this?
Isn't it fraud?
Phil Hall
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:14:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Beatle Covers
I got an import album by a band called Revolver. The album
was called Northern Songs. It had "It's For You" and most of
the other Beatles tunes the Fabs never got around to doing
themselves. Kinda neat hearing a Beatlish band doing the
songs in the Beatles style instead of other artists. I've
never seen another copy so I burned it onto CD once I got
a burner.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:24:01 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Time Is On My Side
I always thought Irma Thomas did the original version of
"Time Is On My Side". Then along comes my pal with a Verve
recording by Kai Winding -- a vocal version -- that by all
sounds sounds like it may have come first. Anyone know
anything about this?
-- James Botticelli
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 02:26:55 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Mark & Clark - a real group!
Lapka Larry wrote:
> Dear Mark and Clark (would be a great name for a band,
> wouldn't it?):
There WAS a Mark And Clark Band! They were twins who gigged
around Florida for a lot of years. They had a 45 on MTA, and
a full-length album (plus some singles) on Columbia.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:50:50 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Re: Songwriting credits on House Of The Rising Sun
Paul Bryant:
> It just occurred to me that the Animals' global hit "House
> of the Rising Sun" was copyrighted as Trad arr. Price, so I
> think - can someone confirm? - that Alan Price got big fat
> royalty cheques for his arrangement of the traditional material
> (causing resentment within the band). Now - he probably deserved
> it because it was probably entirely his arrangement. However,
> if I'm right and he DID get royalties for his arrangement -
> note, not composition - then should not Matthew Fisher get
> royalties for his organ arrangement of A Whiter Shade of Pale?
> Or any arranger for his arrangements? Having agreed with Al Kooper
> originally about who should be getting song royalties, this has
> now confused me again.
There was resentment of Alan Price's royalties on that record
from the other Animals, but not because of Jealousy. The story
is that Alan Price hated " House Of the Rising Sun". He didn't
want to do it. The other Animals really liked the song, especially
guitarist Hilton Valentine who thought up the catchy guitar part.
When ever Hilton started playing it in rehearsals Price would
apparently say "can you stop playing that it's so corny" and would
walk off when they played it. Obviously Alan came up with his organ
solo but the credit should have read : Arr: the Animals.
Unfortunately, the others received nothing for what was escentially
their idea.
With respect to your question, Only on Trad songs does the arranger
earn the writers royalties. With "Whiter shade of pale" being by
known authors, Matthew Fisher would not be entitiled to any writers
royalty. :-(
Richard
http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:26:04 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: Lost Songs On Radio
David sez,
> I have heard "Respectable" by the Outsiders on the radio
> precisely once.
David, I trust you mean recently? The song got up to number
15 in Billboard and was in heavy rotation at all the stations
I listened to in the late summer of '66.
---Dan
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 02:31:52 -0000
From: Jeff lemlich
Subject: Re: Awesome (Odd-some?) group names
Bob Rashkow:
> I thought The Guys Who Came Up From Downstairs were from Florida,
> but if they were, Jeff Lemlich would surely know about it!
Hi Bobster,
The "Guys" were from Maquoketa, Iowa. A lot of folks are surprised
at how many great garage band records came out of that state.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:24:50 -0500
From: Javed Jafri
Subject: Re: The Kitchen Cinq
Rat Pfink:
> Al, "The Street Song" wasn't on the album, it was on their
> last (post-LP) single on LHI, "The Street Song" / "When
> The Rainbow Disappears"..... The Kitchen Cinq actually put
> out six singles, four on LHI and two on Decca.
They charted in Toronto with You'll Be Sorry Some Day. I just
checked Billboard and it did not crack the Hot 100. If I recall
correctly they were from somewhere in the southwest and I'm
surprised they had a regional hit so far from home. Top 40 or
close to it in Toronto. This was one of the first singles purchased
by the Jafri kids when we immigrated to Canada. Sadly we returned it
because it was defective. I'm sorry I never purchased another copy.
Javed
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 02:46:58 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Intriguing Goffin-King hoax?
Paul Tumey:
> Check out this link:
> http://tinyurl.com/2le2d
> The seller claims this is a performance by Goffin and King,
> but I've checked every reference source I have, and ain't no
> mention of it anywhere. I wonder if this is real or not?
This is a VERY HOT record on the Northern soul all-nighter scene
right now. Both sides get played, and both are tremendous. I'd
bet the record will wind up in the UK, and the buyer WILL be
delighted, regardless of whom the artists are.
I've been trying to find out who Carol & Gerri were, so far with
no luck. The backing band is the D-Men, who later became the Fifth
Estate -- in fact, one of the tracks appears on the Fifth Estate
"Ding Dong! The Witch is Back" CD. The band also wrote both sides.
Unfortunately, they don't recall who the singers were. According to
the liner notes, "a soulful number titled "How Can I Find The Way"
sparked (manager Kevin) Gavin to sign a female trio and produce a
Motown-esque master tape, complete with brass and strings.
Unfortunately, it was never released." That obviously is wrong,
since the song was released as one side of the Carol & Gerri MGM single.
The CD also includes the Wadhams-Askew (D-Men/Fifth Estate) team's
demo of "It's Waiting There For You", which was recorded by Reparata
& The Delrons. That led me to believe that "Carol" might be former
Delron Carol Dombrowski. I sent an mp3 of the song to Dombrowski's
cousin, who does not recognize her as one of the voices. So who
were Carol & Gerri? Good question.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:52:41 -0600
From: Mike Dugo
Subject: Kitchen Cinq
Al Kooper:
> I actually wrote a song on that album that I believe was
> their only single. It was called The Street Song.
Art Longmire:
> Here's a link to a comprehensive article on the Kitchen Cinq:
> http://members.aol.com/Shake6677/DFkcinq.com
> I wish I had more of their records, I just have one 45 called
> "Still In Love With You Baby".
I recently completed an interview with Jim Parker of The Cinq
that will appear in an upcoming update of 60sgaragebands.com
He just got in touch with member Mark Creamer for the first time
in years a few days ago, and both are still actively performing.
I've also collected all of the band's singles, their LP, a 1967
Army interview, a concert radio spot, and their pre-Kitchen Cinq
single when they were known as The Y'Alls, and am utilizing
Sprectropopper Bob Wallis' (http://www.northshoresoundworks.com)
skills in creating a "complete" Kitchen Cinq CD. It's a shame a
legit CD of the LP or a collection of their material has not been
released yet...
Al Kooper - Did you ever meet the band? Do you have any recollections?
Mike Dugo
http://60sgaragebands.com
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:55:34 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Monkees
previously:
> In early '67 pepole were going around sayin, "the Monkees
> don't/ can't play their own instruments" and that had to hurt
> the 2 musicians in the band. I have also heard Peter Tork say
> that he would have prefered to stay with Boyce and Hart as
> long as they would just let him play a little guitar on the
> records, just so that when people said "you don't play on your
> records" he could say "Yes I do".
I remember reading somewhere that Nesmith insisted that Tork be
allowed to play guitar on "Mary Mary". The demand was accomodated,
although the part was a straight rhythm part that was burried in
the mix.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:56:55 -0500
From: TD
Subject: Re: Peggy March
Ian Chapman wrote:
> Actually, I was just listening to some Peggy March tracks
> the other day and thinking what a damn fine singer she was/is.
Paul Bryant:
> When I said "sometimes it's the song not the singer" and
> mentioned Miss March I didn't mean this disparagingly - the
> point was that any reasonably good female singer would have
> had a hit with that song. But she wasn't lucky enough to wrap
> her tonsils around any other hit songs.
Referring to Peggy March as a "less-than-great" singer and
"one-hit-wonder" is not high praise! - it's not even true
because, in 1963 alone, Peggy March had TWO hits--"I Will
Follow Him" and "Hello Heartache"
-- TD
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