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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. <<<< Spectropop London Party >>>>
From: S'pop Projects
2. Re: Donna Marie
From: Paul Levinson
3. Re: Donna Marie
From: Laura Pinto
4. Re: Time Is On My Side
From: Mick Patrick
5. Re: Burt Bacharach & Dick Van Dyke
From: Mike Rashkow
6. Re: Randy Scouse Git / ordering Tandy / P.J.'s pants / Donna Marie
From: Phil Milstein
7. Re: Carol & Gerri / other demos
From: Ian Chapman
8. Re: Last Poni Tails Single
From: Phil Hall
9. Re: Donna Marie
From: Laura Pinto
10. "I (Who Have Nothing)"
From: Al Kooper
11. Sharon Tandy / Ace website
From: Al Kooper
12. "I'm In Love"
From: Al Kooper
13. Goffin/King research
From: Don
14. Re: The Kitchen Cinq
From: Joe Nelson
15. Re Forgotten 45s - "Girl In Love"
From: Robert R. Radil
16. "Just One Smile"
From: Robert R. Radil
17. Hello Donna Marie
From: Mick Patrick
18. Re: fuzztone
From: Ed Salamon
19. Re: Alzo (Fred Affronti), sad passing.....
From: Jim Shannon
20. Don Kirshner's Rock Concert
From: Mike the Bass Player
21. Re: Lambert & Potter / Country Store
From: Clark Besch
22. Re Mind Excursion; The Kitchen Cinq
From: Justin McDevitt
23. Re: BS&T/DC-T
From: Hugo M.
24. Re: Bogus groups
From: Ed Salamon
25. Re: Great Shakes
From: Tom Taber
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:39:01 -0000
From: S'pop Projects
Subject: <<<< Spectropop London Party >>>>
Dear Members,
The Spectropop Team and the Actionettes invite you all to
a PARTY to be held in London on Saturday March 27th.
There will be no entrance fee but anyone wishing to attend
MUST have their name on the official guest list.
More details will be announced shortly. In the meantime,
to add your name to the guest list, respond to this message,
or email projects@spectropop.com
See some of you there.
The S'pop Team
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:39:27 -0000
From: Paul Levinson
Subject: Re: Donna Marie
Donna Marie wrote:
> Hi Mick, Thanks for Sunshine Mind, it's been a long time since I
> heard that. Love the Memories.
Donna -- A real pleasure to "meet" you, after all of these years!
(If I put the magic of Spectropop into a short story, people would
say it was unbelievable.)
All bests,
Paul
www.sff.net/people/paullevinson
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 21:46:15 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Re: Donna Marie
Donna Marie wrote:
> Hi Mick, Thanks for Sunshine Mind, it's been a long time since I
> heard that. Love the Memories.
Hi, Donna Marie,
I just listened to the track also and it's a cool song! Believe it
or not, I think it's the first time I've ever heard one of your solo
tunes.
Thanks for posting the song, Mick!
Laura
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:21:57 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Time Is On My Side
James Botticelli:
> I always thought Irma Thomas did the original version of
> "Time Is On My Side". Then along comes my pal with a Verve
> recording by Kai Winding -- a vocal version -- that by all
> sounds like it may have come first. Anyone know anything
> about this?
Eddy:
> Irma Thomas does have the original. The Kai Winding version
> is from the same year though.
Sorry, not correct.
Trombonist Kai Winding's version, a semi-instrumental, was
released on Verve 10307 in 1963. The vocals on the record were
supplied by the Gospelaires, most likely featuring Dee Dee
Warwick, her big sister Dionne, their aunt Cissy Houston, and
maybe some others. The Irma Thomas rendition, recorded in Los
Angeles with arranger/conductor H. B. Barnum and producer Eddie
Ray, came out on Imperial 66041 in 1964.
Interestingly, according to the label, the Winding recording
was written by Norman Meade - one person. Norman Meade was the
songwriting alias of Jerry Ragovoy, who also produced the disc.
The Irma Thomas version credits N. Meade and J. Norman - two
people - as songwriters. Jimmy Norman wrote the extra lyrics,
not featured on the original version.
"Time Is On My Side" by Kai Winding is now playing at musica:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica
Enjoy.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:02:22 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach & Dick Van Dyke
Mick Patrick:
> Here's a poser for all you Bacharach experts. What was the
> first record on which Burt was credited as producer? No
> prizes for the correct answer, except my admiration.
Some time later, Phil Milstein:
> Mick, I don't believe you ever did reveal the name of Burt
> Bacharach's first production credit.
Mick:
> I'd not forgotten.... Believe it or not, the first credited
> Bacharach production was "Three Wheels On My Wagon" b/w "One
> Part Dog, Nine Parts Cat" by Dick Van Dyke, released on Jamie
> 1178 in January 1961. Both sides were written and produced by
> Burt Bacharach and Bob Hilliard....
Phil:
> We knew that -- we were just testing you.
Mick:
> Yeah, right! :-)
Mick, I can vouch for that. Phil wrote me off line and told me
the answer.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:44:01 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Randy Scouse Git / ordering Tandy / P.J.'s pants / Donna Marie
Stewart Mason wrote:
> Incidentally, Til Death Do Us Part became the American sitcom
> All in the Family, so imagine some of the things that Archie
> used to call Meathead and you'll have an idea of why the idea
> of a song called "Randy Scouse Git" was considered inappropriate.
I remember that he said "England is a fag country," which has to be an
even worse insult than "randy scouse git," except maybe to Liverpudlians.
I wrote:
> I've experienced that same problem in the past. I'm sure there
> are other quality dealers with this CD in stock, but I ordered
> mine last night from Dustygroove.com.
I spoke too soon in recommending Dustygroove as a source for the new
Sharon Tandy CD, as the next day I received a reply that they are out of
stock, with no indication of whether they plan to reorder or not.
Hugo M. wrote:
> Incidentally, Proby's first two hits in the UK were "Hold Me"
> and "Together". In the light of subsequent events... well, the
> punchline is "Hold Me Together", but I can't seem to organize
> the text of the joke. Get it? (rimshot).
"Hold Me Together" was written by Proby's trousers.
Donna Marie wrote:
> Thanks for Sunshine Mind, it's been a long time since I heard
> that. Love the Memories.
I tell ya, it's a marvellous world when you can privately distribute a
35-year-old song by an obscure performer one day, and the very next day
receive a thank you note from that artist.
--Phil M.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:48:15 -0000
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: Re: Carol & Gerri / other demos
Jeff Lemlich wrote:
> This is a VERY HOT record on the Northern soul all-nighter scene
> right now. Both sides get played, and both are tremendous. I'd
> bet the record will wind up in the UK, and the buyer WILL be
> delighted, regardless of whom the artists are.
Hopefully. But back in the early 80s, the popularity of "How Can I
Ever Find A Way" on the northern scene was such that it was bootlegged
on fake yellow MGM labels, pressed on blue vinyl. As the current bid
is in excess of $200, let's hope the ebay winner's copy is black!
I can understand how the seller may have innocently jumped to
the conclusion that there was a Goffin/King connection, given
the names on the label; but did he/she ever *play* it?? Although
I can only speculate how Carole King and Gerry Goffin might have
sounded in a duet, I'm pretty damn sure they wouldn't have sounded
like a black girl-group!
> I've been trying to find out who Carol & Gerri were, so far with
> no luck. The backing band is the D-Men, who later became the Fifth
> Estate -- in fact, one of the tracks appears on the Fifth Estate
> "Ding Dong! The Witch is Back" CD. The band also wrote both
> sides.
I bought that CD mainly to get the Carol & Gerri song. Turns out
to be a slightly different mix than the single, the only difference
being the absence of the organ, obviously overdubbed later. It's
most noticeable in the intro.
By the way, that Fifth Estate CD also includes two more of their
song demos. One is a wonderful ballad entitled "Love Isn't Tears
Only," intended for the Righteous Brothers and sung by Kenny Karen.
The other is "Silly Little Girl," sung by Robin Mosier and targeted
for the currently topical Cilla Black.
Ian
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:21:41 -0000
From: Phil Hall
Subject: Re: Last Poni Tails Single
Tom wrote:
> I've been able to find all the recordings by the Poni-Tails over
> the years except for their last single. It was "Who, When and
> Why" b/w "Oh My, You". Does anyone have an idea of where I could
> find these two recordings to complete my collection? You can mail
> me off-list if you like. Thanks!
Tom,
I would *love* to hear both of these tracks myself. I've done a
preliminary search at most of my usual sources, and I can't find them
anywhere. Neither one of them is on their "Born Too Late" CD.
If these tracks have not been released on CD, would it be asking too
much if a Spectropopper could play one or both of these to musica?
Phil Hall
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 21:48:56 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Re: Donna Marie
Mark T wrote:
> Here's a link to all you would ever want to know about Donna
> Marie, including an interview with her:
> http://laurapinto.tripod.com/donnamarie/
Hi Mark,
Thanks for posting the link to the fan site ... Donna Marie is a
lovely person, both inside and out, and it was a pleasure putting up
this site with her permission and cooperation, to let the world know
of her musical accomplishments and catch everybody up on what she's
been doing since her work with The Archies.
Laura
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 07:36:53 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: "I (Who Have Nothing)"
ACJ:
> And about "I Who Have Nothing," just mentioned in the Italian-songs
> thread: I heard that when Leiber & Stoller were producing Ben E.
> King's original (English) version, they actually borrowed the backing
> track from the Italian version because they didn't think they could
> duplicate it or better it. True?
They didnt borrow it, they BOUGHT it!
Al Kooper
Soul Clinician
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 07:30:00 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Sharon Tandy / Ace website
Mick Patrick:
> Sharon (Tandy) is staging a comeback gig in London on Feb 19th
> to mark the release of the CD. Respond to this message for
> further details.
Phil Hall:
> The trouble with Ace Records is you can't actually buy anything
> from them. They listed this CD as being on their Big Beat label,
> but when you search Big Beat, they say they have no CD's by an
> artist named Sharon Tandy. You not only can't buy it; you can't
> even get a price. Like a lot of European record sites, they are
> less than user-friendly. Anyone know the trick here?
Yeah. Wait til February 20th b4 you search 4 it.
Al Kooper
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 07:12:45 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: "I'm In Love"
pb:
> ...I just learned that another Beatle giveaway song, I'm in Love,
> given to the Fourmost, was covered by none other than Wilson
> Pickett. A more unlikely Beatle cover by Mr Pickett is hard to
> imagine, apart from Happiness is a Warm Gun maybe.
Ya got your titles crossed. The "I'm In Love" that the wicked one
cut is a Bobby Womack song not a Paulie McCartney one.
Al Kooper
Soul Clinician
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 03:56:15 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Goffin/King research
I've seen titles of songs that look like Goffin/King songs, that are
from that era, but I'm not sure if they are or aren't. Most of these
came from borderlinebooks.com. Is there anyone who knows if they
were indeed G/K penned songs?
Yours Until Tomorrow - The Dream(New Dream); The Flying Colors
Don't Forget About Me - Bobby Thomas; Patsy Gallant
Honey And Wine - Sounds Unlimited; The Y?4
He's In Town - The Townsmen
Walking Proud - Size Seven Group
Stage Door - The Ahmed Dahmen Band
Road To Nowhere - Digger Revell
It's Gonna Be Alright - Lunduns; Jaguars; Tommy Dae
Don't Ever Change - Jack London & The Sparrows
So Much Love - New Seekers; The Choir
I Want To Stay Here - Derrick & Paulette
Keep Your Hands off My Baby - Viscounts; Gettysburg Address; Inn Crowd
Pleasant Valley Sunday - Tambourine
Just What I Was Looking For Today - The Yellow Payges
The one I'm pretty sure is, is "He's In Town". I would bet most of
the others are, but how can I be sure (in a world that's constantly
changing)?
Thanks,
Don
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:15:02 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: The Kitchen Cinq
Art Longmire:
> Hello Al, Here's a link to a comprehensive article on the Kitchen
> Cinq: http://members.aol.com/Shake6677/DFkcinq.html I wish I had
> more of their records, I just have one 45 called "Still In Love
> With You Baby".
I've corrected the link above. Also I've posted "Codiene" to musica
for anyone who might be interested.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 05:43:04 -0000
From: Robert R. Radil
Subject: Re Forgotten 45s - "Girl In Love"
Jim Shannon wrote:
> Justin, I'm pretty sure "Girl in Love' was released as its own
> single on Capitol ('66). Heavy orchestration and almost over-
> produced but nice.
It was the followup to "Time Won't Let Me", Capitol 5646.
Bob Radil
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 05:48:27 -0000
From: Robert R. Radil
Subject: "Just One Smile"
Hi Al,
We just gave "Just One Smile" a spin on "The 60s Show" tonight. Good
song. I later found the "Super Sesion" CD on the shelf. "You Don't
Love Me" got a spin. It was great to hear it again. Haven't heard it
in *years*!
Bob Radil
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 17:30:17 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Hello Donna Marie
Donna Marie:
> Hi Mick, Thanks for Sunshine Mind, it's been a long time since
> I heard that. Love the Memories.
Hello Donna Marie, welcome to S'pop. Happy to bring back some
good memories for ya. I've posted the A-side, your version of
Massiel's Eurovision Song Contest winner "He Gives Me Love
(La, La, La)", to musica too. Click below and take a listen:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica
Hey la (la, la, la),
Mick Patrick
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:40:30 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: fuzztone
Hugo M. wrote:
> Poking around on the net, the information I receive is that
> fuzzboxes first were used in '64, a writer in UK said the
> first use of fuzz that he knew of was on the two 45s that
> launched P J Proby's career in the UK. Does anybody here
> know anything that could extend the fuzztone timeline back
> a little further?
They recorded the fuzztone sound here in Nashville in 1960.
A tube was blown in the middle of a take at a Marty Robbins
session and Grady Martin's resulting fuzz-toned solo was left
in the 1961 smash hit "Don't Worry 'Bout Me."
When I got into Country radio, this record threw me. I didn't
remember the original, and felt it must be a rerecording because
of the fuzz. Then I pulled out an original 45, and yep, the fuzz
was there.
Ed Salamon
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:34:59 -0000
From: Jim Shannon
Subject: Re: Alzo (Fred Affronti), sad passing.....
Damion noted that:
> my uncle, Fred Affronti (Alzo) from
> Port Jefferson, New York just passed away this Sunday
> from a massive heart attack. He had just spent 30 years
> getting his work re-released on a Japanese label. He had
> some releases on the Bell label and the Apple label.
> He was a great artist and will be sorely sorely missed.
Damion: I feel your loss, I just recieved the news last night
through a friend overseas. I had been in touch with Alzo via
e-mail for the past few years and he told me the new CD "Been
So Long" would be released soon. I was just listening to one of
his songs on a customized CD the other night, "Looks Like Rain".
A loss talent to the music industry,
JIm Shannon
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:17:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike the Bass Player
Subject: Don Kirshner's Rock Concert
I'm sure all of you remember the show "Don Kirshner's
Rock Concert" which was on the ABC network from
the early '70s through the late '70s. Does anyone know
if these performances were archived, ever released a la
the Ed Sullivan rock series, or are planned for release?
Mike.
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 06:12:22 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Lambert & Potter / Country Store
previously:
> It would make a very interesting listing to put together of great
> song writers, like Gentry and Cordell, Lambert and Potter, etc.
Yes, from the Lambert/Potter pens came a great obscurity, "Your Love
(is the Only Love)", by the Country Store on T/A Records in 1970.
Love that record! I heard it in Tulsa on vacation that summer. It
was in KRAV-FM's top 30. The Raiders did it as one of their last
Columbia 45s, but the song really shines by the Country Store (not to
be confused with the Country Paul).
Clark
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:16:29 -0500
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Re Mind Excursion; The Kitchen Cinq
Hello Jim and Spectropop,
The Cyrkle's I Wish You Could Be here, written by Paul Simon and my
all-time favorite soft-pop song is on A Cyrkle compilation; (can't recall
the label). It is also included on volume 3 or 4 of the Rock Artifacts
four-volume CD compilation.
Mind Excursion is included on one of the original Nuggets LPs which I
have in my collection.
Regarding the Kitchen Cinq, I am familiar with Still In Love With You Baby,
a song that I heard a couple of times on the radio in Feb-March 1967. Is
there a CD compilation of their music, or a multiple artist comp that
includes this specific track?
Justin McDevitt
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:17:23 -0000
From: Hugo M.
Subject: Re: BS&T/DC-T
All this talk about B, S & T lately (hi, Al!) has reminded me of an
anecdote I read. It appears that right around the time that David
Clayton-Thomas left the band to go solo, they were drafted to perform
at the 1972 Olympics. Also performing on this occasion was Polish
rocker Czeslaw Nieman; right around that time Columbia Records was
trying to sign the guy to market his 'stuff' in the west. The upshot is that
B S & T approached him about the possibility of taking David C-T.s place
in the band.
His response, from what I read, was something like "I'm already the
biggest musician anywhere in the Eastern Bloc, what advantage would
there be for me to hook up with you guys?"
FWIW, though it isn't 'pop' of the kind this group focuses on,
Nieman's "Enigmatic" record (the 2-LP version) is one of my very
favorite acid/psych records of all time...
Goo goo g'joob...
Hugo M.
you know where to find me.
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:02:46 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: Bogus groups
Denny Pine wrote:
> Today's legitimate Vogues (the original group being from
> Turtle Creek, PA) includes original member Chuck Blasko and
> two other members. However, they can only perform as the
> Vogues within 14 counties of the Tri-State area of PA/WV/OH.
> I have seen at least two completely phony groups making dirty
> money off of the Vogues name.
In the mid '70s I was in Dallas, and saw a sign on a club advertising
The Vogues. Having programmed some of their latter songs on Bell
at KDKA and being a Pittsburgher, I paid the door looking forward to
seeing my "homeboys". The self-contained band was playing "Hang On
Sloopy' and other bar band fare, not vocal group material. These
guys recorded an album of Vogues songs, distributed by Shelby
Singleton. When I met them a few years later, they were a Country
group, Atlanta, formed after the success of Alabama. Atlanta's bio
said "formerly the Vogues". As I recall these Vogues were originally
put together by a Nashville(?) promoter who had bought the name from
Elmer Willet's estate (Vogues' manager and owner of The Vogue
Terrace, for which the group was named).
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:45:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Great Shakes
Al Kooper wrote:
> Anyone can be a soda fountain now
> With Great Shakes, Great Shakes
> The little aluminum foil type bags GREAT SHAKES came
> in were quite handy for transporting small amounts of pot
> around, as well
In which case "Anyone can be a drug store now..." And
if I can't be either a soda fountain OR a drug store,
will someone at least call me a cab???
Tom Taber
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