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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Mary Wells
From: Simon White
2. Re: New on the list
From: James Botticelli
3. Re: "Comin' On Too Strong"
From: Eddy
4. "A Tear For Tommy"
From: Al Kooper
5. Re: Arbors day
From: Michel Gignac
6. Re: Raul Abeyta
From: C Ponti
7. Re: Time Is On my Side
From: Al Kooper
8. Re: Kleen-Kuts
From: Jeff Lemlich
9. Re: Freddy Cannon; Ron Dante
From: Ron Dante
10. Re: "A Tear For Tommy"
From: Phil Chapman
11. Re: Ron Dante; Archies
From: Ron Dante
12. New on the list
From: Hans-Dieter Hellmann
13. Re: Bogue Vogues
From: Mikey
14. Re: "Comin' On Too Strong"
From: Dan N.
15. Re: New on the list
From: Frank
16. Jeannie Robertson on Derby records
From: Charlie Sheen
17. Katch-22
From: Mark T.
18. Re: "Comin' On Too Strong"
From: Steveo
19. Re: Blue Beats
From: Bob Radil
20. Favorite Archies LP track
From: Mark T.
21. Re: Gene Hughes memorial and benefit
From: Paul Balser
22. Re: Codeine
From: Phil Milstein
23. Re: Progressive Monkees
From: Art Longmire
24. Re: "Comin' On Too Strong"
From: Mikey
25. Cameo-Parkway one hitters
From: Mac Joseph
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:00:51 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Mary Wells
Country Paul wrote -
> Mary Wells' wonderfully raucous "Bye Bye Baby" has a male
> chorus, if I remember correctly. (Be sure the version you
> get has it - the original 45 does; one mix sneaked out with
> the group erased - and half the excitement of the record went
> with them, in my opinion.)
>
> Bye bye, baby,
> Country Paul
Isn't the story somewhere along the lines of this - there were
15 takes of this song and they used the last one where Mary's
voice was hoarse. She never sounded quite as rough as this again!
My first exposure to this track was on a budget album of Doo Wops
called "Out of The Past" on the U.K. JOY label, distributed by
President (thinks.....now there an article for someone to do!).
Anyway there are two albums Volume 1&2. Volume One is Dells,
Spaniels, Eldorados, Flamingos, Dubbs, Magnificents... all great
stuff. But one track, "Bye Bye Baby", is credited to The Channels
but is the Mary Wells track, miscredited. I didn't realise this
for many years.
Volume Two is a wierd mix of Trashmen, Caeser and the Romans, Forum,
Leaves, Willows, B. Bumble, Skyliners, and The Tokens "While I Dream".
And here's my question. Is that Neil Sedaka singing lead with
the Tokens? And if so, who were The Tokens?
Simon White
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:49:40 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: New on the list
Frank J:
> But now its time to introduce myself. My name is Frank
> Jastfelder. I live in Munich, Germany and I'm deep into the
> 60s in general (that means films, fashion, etc.) and of course
> especially deep into the music of that time.
>
> Out of this passion I did some CD compilations for German
> majors over the years and released a book about the cover art
> of soundtracks from the 60s and 70s.
Welcome Frank...A world of non-existent rarities awaits your
perusal here. Deeper and deeper into obscurity goes the knowledge
base on this list. Are you affiliated with Motor Records and/or
the Soundtracks compilations? Great stuff. Along with Stefan Kassel?
And the great Soft Rock double CD?
James Botticelli
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:29:16 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: "Comin' On Too Strong"
Country Paul:
> Wayne Newton, Capitol 5338, 1965 - Comin' On Too Strong
> (wr. Gary Usher-Raul Abeyto; pr. T. M. Productions; arr.
> Terry Melcher)
> - The World Through A Tear (wr. Bobby Scott-Artie Resnick;
> pr. T. M. Productions; arr./cond. Tommy Oliver)
It's actually a November 1964 release and, as I mentioned
previously, it does have Bruce Johnston on backing vocals.
Eddy
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:15:54 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: "A Tear For Tommy"
> Okay poppers. A single on Epic, I think in the early 60's
> with a female lead called "A Tear For Tommy" Probably a
> group name. Anyone have this major obscurity?
Al Kooper
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:20:50 -0000
From: Michel Gignac
Subject: Re: Arbors day
Phil Milstein asked:
> Who were the individual members?
I don't think that this has been answered. On the back
cover of the Arbor's album, the name of the members are given:
- Ed and Fred Farran (twins)
- Scott and Tom Herrick (brothers)
One of my favorite vocal groups.
Michel Gignac
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:57:58 -0000
From: C Ponti
Subject: Re: Raul Abeyta
Country Paul:
> Wayne Newton, Capitol 5338, 1965 - Comin' On Too Strong
> (wr. Gary Usher-Raul Abeyto; pr. T. M. Productions; arr.
> Terry Melcher)
I am a huge fan of Raul Abeyta. I have tapes of some of his
stuff, like, "It Hurts Me". In the 70's he headed up Burlington
Felstead's publishing arm, part of London Rec. He now works in
country music. I think "If I Never Love Again" is another title
mentioned previously here....
C Ponti
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:58:00 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Time Is On my Side
> I forgot how potent the Kai Winding "Time Is On My Side"
> is; I hadn't heard it since it was new, and it was the
> first version of the song I heard.
Jerry Ragovoy calls in to say that the backups on Kai's
record were Dionne, Dee Dee & Cissy. Case closed !!!!
Al Kooper
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:53:33 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Kleen-Kuts
Country Paul:
> Info search for a "phantom" record: The Kleen-Kuts,
> "(You're My) Summer Love"/"I've Found A New Love",
> Vitality 701 (prod. "Seven Ways, Pensacola, Florida";
> wr. F. White/J. White-C. White-F. White).
> Distributed by Sound of Nashville, this 1966 45 has an
> A-side a bit like the Beach Boys; don't remember the flip.
> The promotion that came with this low-budget affair was
> something like "everyone else has long hair and is scruffy,
> but the Kleen-Kuts are clean." Despite this, it's a good
> track. Jeff Lemlich, any ideas? Anyone?
Hi Paul,
I have that record and have asked my growing number of Pensacola
sources about it. They don't remember the group at all. The city's
biggest draw around that time, by far, was the Sandpipers -- not
the "Guantanamera" group, but a trio of young girls who recorded
for the Tru-Glo-Town label. They were STARS in their hometown,
and are still considered stars there!
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:47:23 -0000
From: Ron Dante
Subject: Re: Freddy Cannon; Ron Dante
Michael Edwards wrote:
> It appears that our "industry" members have a common link
> through none other than Freddy Cannon.
> And then along comes Ron Dante with an unreleased gem,
> "Ride, Roller Coaster, Ride" that he wrote and produced with
> Gene Allen and Bob Feldman. This track came out on the
> recent Varese CD "The Very Best Of Freddy Cannon, 1964-81".
> You kept quiet about that one, didn't you Ron? Don't be so
> modest; it's "Palisades Park" with a great mid-60s feel. The
> Beach Boys and/or Jan & Dean should have done something so good!
"Roller Coaster" was written on the Dick Clark Caravan of
Stars bus tour. I wrote it with Freddy and my fellow Detergent
Danny Jordan and it was the b side to "Where The Action Is".
Luckily for us.
Ron Dante
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:04:56 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: "A Tear For Tommy"
Al Kooper:
> Okay poppers. A single on Epic, I think in the early 60's
> with a female lead called "A Tear For Tommy" Probably a
> group name. Anyone have this major obscurity?
[from an old list]
"A Tear For Tommy"/"At This Stage Of The Game"
Linda Lawrence - Epic 9607 (1963)
I've seen it somewhere along the way.
Both sides co-written by you?
Phil C
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:54:49 -0000
From: Ron Dante
Subject: Re: Ron Dante; Archies
Michael Edwards wrote:
> Let me keep the Archies' thread running by nominating
> two of my favorite 45s:
> "Strangers In The Morning" – From 1972 and didn't even bubble
> under. Produced by Ron, written by Ron and Howard Greenfield
> with an arrangement by Jimmy Wisner...
Howard Greenfield was such a great lyricist and person.
He was the total pro at putting just the right words to
a melody. When the Archies released Strangers in the Morning
they had run their course and since no live group had toured
radio stopped playing them. It was a cool ride all the same.
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:51:23 +0100
From: Hans-Dieter Hellmann
Subject: New on the list
Hello to the members of Spectropop.
I'm a new member since a few days ago and I'm living in Germany.
My name is Hans-Dieter Hellmann. The reason I joined the group
was to find out more about instrumental music. But I would also
like to hear something about vocal groups of the 50s,60s and so on.
Kind regards
Hans
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:03:15 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Bogue Vogues
I want to tell the group that about 6 months ago, I went to
the bogus Vogues website. There is a link to leave them
email. This is what I left "just how can you guys call
yourselves the Vogues".
The person who responded left me 5 emails in a one day
period. Each email was full of cursing, obscene gestures,
sexual innuendo, you name it. I was pretty shocked, and
I'm a guy from Brooklyn who doesn't shock easily.
My question is this: It occurs to me the best way to hurt the
bogus Vogues is to TELL OLDIES FANS who might go to see them
that they are NOT the Vogues and that Chuck's group is who
they should go see. What would be the best way to do this?
We aren't doing anything wrong here.....the bogus group has
NOTHING to do with the original Vogues and people should know
that. After that they can make their own choice.
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:12:06 EST
From: Dan N.
Subject: Re: "Comin' On Too Strong"
Country Paul wrote:
> I'm far from a fan of most of [Wayne] Newton's work, but this track -
> and his very early and very credible rockabilly work with his brother
> Jerry - holds up, despite Wayne saying he hated it, according to Mikey.
> And according to another Mike, Mike Edwards, the track appears on a
> Capitol Collectors CD that's "still out there".
For anybody who's interested in Wayne Newton's "very early and very
credible rockabilly work with his brother Jerry," Bear Family Records of
Germany is set to release Monday (Feb. 16, 2004 -- talk about timely)
what looks to be the definitive CD collection of his Phoenix-based Newton
Rascals era.
It's titled "Wayne Newton featuring the Newton Brothers: The Real Thing
1954 to 1963." It stops short of the Capitol single that has been talked
about here, but includes the rare "Rascal Boogie" single they did for
Ranger Records (released in conjunction with their appearances on the
popular "Lew King Rangers" Phoenix TV and radio show) and a bunch of
other early demos and stuff cut for assorted labels.
Dan N.
Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.A.
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:39:51 +0100
From: Frank
Subject: Re: New on the list
James Botticelli wrote:
> Welcome Frank...A world of non-existent rarities awaits your
> perusal here. Deeper and deeper into obscurity goes the knowledge
> base on this list. Are you affiliated with Motor Records and/or
> the Soundtracks compilations? Great stuff. Along with Stefan Kassel?
> And the great Soft Rock double CD?
Thanks for the warm welcome. Yes I did the two "Mad Mad World of
Soundtracks comps for Motor Music besides some others. I collaborated
with Stefan on these. The last one was a 60s Christmas CD called
"Snow." The Sunshine Pop 2CD was his brainchild.
But I'm afraid these times are almost over since the record companies
have to declare bankruptcy in the near future. ;-)
Frank
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:35:25 -0000
From: Charlie Sheen
Subject: Jeannie Robertson on Derby records
Does anybody know if Jeannie Robertson ever released an album of
sorts on Sam Cooke's Derby record label? There's a 45 of hers on
ebay on Derby and sounds pretty good, but I don't feel it's worth
49 bucks. Check it out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2595356340&category=45539
Charlie Sheen
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:31:53 -0000
From: Mark T.
Subject: Katch-22
Do any of our British friends on this board know much about these
guys? Several singles on Fontana, an LP on Eros (?) and 1 final CBS
single. Some covers, but all high quality harmony pop. Any chance of
someone compiling a CD? Are you listening, Revola?
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:30:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Steveo
Subject: Re: "Comin' On Too Strong"
Country Paul wrote:
> Actually, I may have "overspoken" myself, and I apologize
> for any confusion I may have caused. Rumor had it (when new)
> that it was the Beach Boys backing him, and it sure sounds
> like it could have been. However, as it was produced by Bobby
> Darin's production company, T. M., and considering the writers
> and arranger, it may be more of a "Brian Wilson's disciples"
> affair than real Beach Boys.
Country Paul,
Bruce Johnston was touring with the Beach Boys in 1965
- joined them officically in 1966, and as such, being
a close cohort with Terry, I can't help but feel that
Bruce had some involvement with this record. So, in a
way, it is very much Beach Boys related.
Steveo
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:27:39 -0000
From: Bob Radil
Subject: Re: Blue Beats
Country Paul wrote:
> Good mentions, Jim; someone with the "tech knowledgy" might
> want to play [the Blue Beats'] "Extra Girl" to musica. I hadn't
> known about their subsequent name change, and haven't heard The #1
> yet - seems I've exceeded my alloted listening time for now! :-)
I've got it right here, waiting for space on musica...
Bob Radil
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:26:14 -0000
From: Mark T.
Subject: Favorite Archies LP track
On the last album, a song called "Suddenly Susan." Everytime I
hear it, it grows on me even more. Really nice song, great vocal
by Ron. Not as gummy as prior songs but just a great pop tune.
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:40:03 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: Paul Balser
Subject: Re: Gene Hughes memorial and benefit
Austin Roberts wrote:
> It felt great to be back on stage,especially for someone as
> special as Gene Hughes!
Austin,
WSAI in Cincinnati will be doing a benefit show for Gene Hughes
on Feb. 21st. Contact Don Allen via this link:
http://www.wsai.com/allen.html
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:44:54 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Codeine
Country Paul wrote:
> Thanks for playing the Kitchen Cinq's "Codeine" to musica.
> Very pretty - but not the song for "pretty", in my opinion,
> as it misses the agony of addiction it's about. It's
> certainly quite a contrast to Matthew Moore Plus Four's
> dynamic and gritty version on the White Whale compilation
> I reviewed.
Perhaps so, but I l-o-v-e love that "Lenny Bruce" tag at the
end ... even if I don't quite get the reference. I always
thought heroin was his drug of choice.
--Phil M.
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:31:21 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: Progressive Monkees
Country Paul,
Your assessment of the Monkees and Michael Nesmith was very well
put. I was eleven when the Monkees TV program premiered, and so
was in the age bracket that the group was directed towards, but I
never liked the group much and never got into their TV show, until
I was an adult and saw it in re-runs. Then they clicked with me
and I became, generally speaking, a fan. My younger brother (aged
9 in '67) and a great many of my classmates back in the 60s LOVED
the group, and they had a great many fans in my school, both male
and female, but none of that ever rubbed off on me.
However, on those few occasions when I watched the TV show, I
remember always thinking Mike Nesmith was very cool. In 1970 when
I started buying records, his song "Joanne" was a huge favorite of
mine (I love the pastoral romanticism of the song) as was "Silver
Moon" and "Nevada Fighter" - great songs all. And I agree with your
assessment of Mike's version of "Tumbling Tumbleweeds" - having heard
numerous versions of this, Nesmith's is my favorite. I have all of
Mike's First and Second National Band albums from the early 70s
and I have always considered him one of my favorite musicians. I
also like many of his Monkees compositions, such as "Listen To the
Band", "You Just May Be the One", "Tapioca Tundra", and "Porpoise
Song".
I am a fan of the Monkees, too - just a late blooming one! One Monkees
related record I have is a Mickey Dolenz 45 on the Challenge label
(unfortunately I can't remember the title of either side) and I think
this dates from 1967...does anyone have any info on this or know if
it charted?
Art Longmire
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:42:52 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: "Comin' On Too Strong"
Country Paul:
> Actually, I may have "overspoken" myself, and I apologize
> for any confusion I may have caused. Rumor had it (when new)
> that it was the Beach Boys backing him, and it sure sounds
> like it could have been. However, as it was produced by Bobby
> Darin's production company, T. M., and considering the writers
> and arranger, it may be more of a "Brian Wilson's disciples"
> affair than real Beach Boys.
Steveo:
> Bruce Johnston was touring with the Beach Boys in 1965 - joined them
> officially in 1966, and as such, being a close cohort with Terry, I
> can't help but feel that Bruce had some involvement with this record.
> So, in a way, it is very much Beach Boys related.
Guys, guys guys....
Terry Melcher AND Bruce Johnston produced and sang on "Coming On Too
Strong," period.
They had a production company and Bobby Darin hired them to give Wayne
a modern sound.
Wayne went to Bobby Darin and got the record pulled because he couldn't
sing it live in nightclubs without all the backing vocals. He also didn't
like the song as it wasn't "what he did."
This info comes from Wayne himself.
Mikey
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:54:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Mac Joseph
Subject: Cameo-Parkway one hitters
OK, for all the Spectropoppers:
I have an early sixties question. In early 1963 a group by the
name of Billy Abbot and the Jewels came out with a little jewel
called "Groovy Baby". Can anyone tell me what happened to Billy
Abbot after he did that song? Did he go on with another group,
or go solo under another name or what?
Thanks much in advance,
Mac Joseph
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