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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Bogus Vogues
From: Mark
2. Re: Raul Abeyta
From: Mike Rashkow
3. Re: "Here Comes The Judge"
From: John Fox
4. Re: Progressive Monkees
From: Eddy
5. Re: Fake groups
From: Mike McKay
6. Modern Adventures
From: Jim Shannon
7. Re: Bogus Vogues
From: Mike McKay
8. Re: Past Present & Future Productions
From: Al Kooper
9. Re: Ron Dante; Archies
From: Laura Pinto
10. Re: DeShannon / Nicks?
From: Paul Levinson
11. Re: Groovy Baby
From: Max Weiner
12. Re: bogue Vogues
From: Paul Levinson
13. Re: BS&T '68
From: Steveo
14. Re: "A Tear For Tommy"
From: Al Kooper
15. Re: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop Update
From: James Botticelli
16. Home Photo
From: Phil Hall
17. "Love You More Than Yesterday" etc.
From: Frank Young
18. Re: "Here Comes The Judge"
From: Art Longmire
19. Re: Bogus Vogues
From: Mikey
20. Drifters, Jive 5 & more
From: Country Paul
21. Pat Boone 45; Columbia echo; Kirby Stone 4; Moondog; fake skip
From: Country Paul
22. Progressive Monkees
From: Art, Mike, Jon, Steve
23. Re: Thoughts on Al
From: James Botticelli
24. Re: Neil & Cookies
From: Laura Pinto
25. From Mark Hill / Cool Shakes/Great Shakes Commercial Jingles
From: Mark Hill
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:02:24 GMT
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Bogus Vogues
Hi David!
The TV newsmagazine 20/20 did a piece on phony groups a while
back (which I have on tape here somewhere in all of this mess!),
and the Vogues were one of the groups profiled.
The interviewer spoke with both Chuck Blasko and the lead of the
spurious group of Vogues. Before they showed the interview with
the phony lead, they ran a snippet of them in concert in which
they prefaced singing "You're the One" by saying "Our friend
Petula Clark wrote this song for us".
The next clip was the interviewer talking with the phony group's
lead, asking him if Petula Clark was indeed a friend of his, to
which he replied no. He then asked if they were going to continue
to represent themselves as the original Vogues. I'm not sure what
his response was, but seeing as the non-original group is still
running about, they are doing just that.
There were other acts profiled in this segment as well. Dennis Yost
was also shown, and he admitted that fighting the phony Classics IV
was taking a serious physical and mental toll on him.
What I find really sad and silly is what's happening on the Yahoo
group devoted to the Vogues (I'm not a member, but the Moderator
is on another group with me and he mentioned this). They CANNOT
refer to the group as "The Vogues"--they have to refer to them
on-list as "The V*s" or "The V*gues". Is this what it's come to?
Incidentally, one of the advocates for older bands who have been
disenfranchised by these stupid practices is current U.S. Rep and
Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich. Hopefully, he'll continue
to do something for these entertainers.
Best,
Mark
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:16:47 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Raul Abeyta
Billy G:
> Right, it's the Looking Glass, Valiant 750. (B.DeVorzon/R. Abeyta)
> Produced by DeVorzon/Gallese, arranged by P. Botkin. Jr.
I recently had the chance to speak with Barry DeVorzon on the
phone. Very nice guy. I never heard anything by Barry and The
Tamerlanes, but I understand that was him as a youngster.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:49:24 EST
From: John Fox
Subject: Re: "Here Comes The Judge"
Mark Hill writes:
> Upcoming musical acts on LAUGH-IN (on Trio TV):
> 02/26 8am and 1pm- NANCY SINATRA & PIGMEAT MARKHAM
I don't know if on this show Pigmeat performs the entire
version of his "Here Comes The Judge" or if he's just an
actor playing a judge in a courtroom comedy sketch (remember,
Sammy Davis, Jr. was really the one who originated the phrase
on Laugh-In). But Pigmeat's version of the song (totally
different in feel from Shorty Long's higher-charting version)
was, in my opinion, absolutely positively the first "rap" record.
Listen to it sometime. The beat, the cadence of the talking,
everything about it is at least 10-20 years ahead of its time.
John Fox
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:01:45 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Progressive Monkees
Bill Craig:
> I was amazed when at the end of one Monkees episode
> Mickey's off camera voice out of nowhere says: "Ladies
> and gentlemen, Tim Buckley" and T. appears and performs
> one of his songs. Does anyone remember this? I can't
> remember which song he did.
Tim Buckley performed Song to the Siren on the Monkees
episode Mijacogeo (the frodis caper). This actual version
can be found on the 2001 2-cd Morning glory (the anthology)
on Rhino.
Eddy
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:57:14 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Fake groups
Paul Urbahns wrote:
> So I guess my bottom line is as long as they are the licensed
> group authorized to appear under that name and sing the hit
> songs of the group it's fine by me. Having an original member
> doesn't count for much to me anymore, it's nice because they
> may say something about the original group, but its the show
> I am concerned with.
It's not "fine by me" if this practice hurts original members
who are precluded from making a living because of these bogus
groups. If the originals are all dead or retired from performing,
that's a different matter. And even if that's the case, the honest
thing to do would be to advertise yourself as "A Tribute to..."
rather than as the genuine article.
> As for the Vogues. The original Vogues have a website and can
> perform using their name in a certain area of Pennsylvania,
> but that is all. You can email them to get the particulars
> but apparently the group dissolved and signed the name to an
> entertainment company who uses it today.
No, this isn't what happened at all. Again, read Chuck Blasko's
House of Representatives testimony for the full story:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/blas0505.htm
Mike
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:50:07 -0000
From: Jim Shannon
Subject: Modern Adventures
Excuse the brain freeze here, but I was going over my music
database over the weekend and came across the song "The
Modern Adventures of Plato, Diogenes and Freud" by Al Kooper.
I don't recall which LP that was on but remember it being a
really nice arrangement almost British sounding with lots of
orchestration. Seem to remember heavy airplay on NEW-FM.
I'd like to find the CD version. Great almost forgotten song.
Jim Shannon
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:03:29 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Bogus Vogues
Mikey wrote:
> My question is this: It occurs to me the best way to hurt the
> bogus Vogues is to TELL OLDIES FANS who might go to see them
> that they are NOT the Vogues and that Chuck's group is who
> they should go see. What would be the best way to do this?
> We aren't doing anything wrong here.....the bogus group has
> NOTHING to do with the original Vogues and people should know
> that. After that they can make their own choice.
Funny you should say this, as I've toyed with this very idea
myself.
It seems to me that if you stationed yourself at the entrance
to the venue where the bogus Vogues were appearing and passed
out a flyer with the true story, they couldn't say anything
about it.
As long as what you wrote was scrupulously researched and 100
percent accurate, I would think you would be on solid ground.
If I were doing it, I would write something like "Enjoy the
show, but you should know that..." If you're telling the truth
and not overtly recommending that people not patronize the show,
how could you be prevented from doing this?
Mike
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:19:16 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Past Present & Future Productions
Phil C:
> BS&T's "I Can't Quit Her"/"House In The Country" is
> credited: .....for Past, Present & Future Productions Inc.
> Whose idea was that then, Al?
PP&F was Aaron Schroeder's production company. He actually made
the deal with Columbia for our services and hired John Simon
to produce at my suggestion.
Al Kooper
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:26:53 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Re: Ron Dante; Archies
Billy G Spradlin wrote:
> A great record ["Strangers in the Morning"], but the subject
> matter is a little um..."mature" for a bubblegum record.
> Visions of Archie and Betty (or another girl?) waking up
> together after a wild night? I think it would have fared well
> on Top 40 as a Ron Dante record.
Hi Billy,
Ron will probably address this comment himself, but in case he
doesn't get around to it, I believe "Strangers" was originally
earmarked for a second Ron Dante solo album which didn't happen,
so Ron released it under The Archies banner. That's what I THINK
the story is, anyway.
Laura
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:11:49 -0000
From: Paul Levinson
Subject: Re: DeShannon / Nicks?
Country Paul wrote:
> Nice tour through musica (Yahoo gave me an extended run!):
> Donna Marie "Sunshine Mind" is a sweet treat - and Paul,
> right about the internal rhymes.
Thank you!
Me:
> "Wall of Soundalikes". I love it, and especially
> Jackie DeShannon's "When You Walk In The Room"....
> I always loved The Searchers' version, but Jackie's
> is pure heaven!
CP:
> I too have been relistening to the CD (and Mick, it holds
> together well listening in sequence, too) and had a thought:
> steal or re-record the Jackie DeShannon instrumental track in
> 21st-century-fi, and have Stevie Nicks sing it. Could be her
> new hit. (Listen to Jackie's voice and note the stylistic
> similarity.)
Agreed completely that Nicks would sound great on that track.
But, hey, Jackie already sounds spectacular -- I like her
performance on "Room" a lot better than on her hits. So, why
can't some label or whatever get smart, and release Jackie's
version, rockin' just as it is....
Me:
> If I put the magic of Spectropop into a short story, people
> would say it was unbelievable.
> Seconded by...
> Country Paul
> (not to be confused with the Country Store)
A pleasure to make your acquaintance!
All best,
(City) Paul
http://www.sff.net/people/paullevinson
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:05:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Max Weiner
Subject: Re: Groovy Baby
previously:
> I have an early sixties question. In early 1963 a group
> by the name of Billy Abbot and the Jewels came out with
> a little jewel called "Groovy Baby".
Paul Urbahns:
> Believe it or not but Cameo Parkway also issued a fairly
> decent version of that song as filler on the album "More
> Mancini Favorites" (Wyncote SW-9098 - Yes its real stereo)
> by Orchestra And Chorus of Rudolph Statler. It's in a Ray
> Conniff-like arrangement. The newest song on the LP appears
> to be "A Shot in the Dark", which will help you date his
> version. The reason I even have the album is I really liked
> his version of The Pink Panther Theme on his first Mancini
> album. The song runs about 7 minutes and sounds like the
> soundtrack to a Pink Panther cartoon. Statler did three
> Mancini albums, so somebody besides me must have bought them.
Hello Paul,
This is what I love about Spectropop; you always learn
something you never knew. But I still would like to know;
what ever happened to Billy Abbot and the Jewels? Did he
record after "Groovy Baby", did he change his name, did
the Jewels become someone else? Or are they all truck
drivers and plumbers today?(lol) Anyway, Paul, thanks
for the insight, by the way, is that Mancini Album still
available in CD. I'd be curios to hear his version of
"Groovy Baby".
Thanks again, folks!!
Mac Joseph
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:26:35 -0000
From: Paul Levinson
Subject: Re: bogue Vogues
Mike McKay:
> But however they may try to lie and weasel out of it,
> they are NOT The Vogues.
This thread is fascinating -- and infuriating. It's good we
have people like you who stand up and keep speaking the truth.
I have a special fondness for the real Vogues, by the way
(not just because "You're the One" is such a great record).
They recorded a song of mine -- "Unbelievable (Inconceivable)
You" -- on the same Reprise session in which they did "Turn
Around Look At Me". (I had just sold "Unbelievable" to Irwin
Schuster of TM Music; the rights later reverted to my publishing
co, Rainforest Moods.) Reprise decided to go with the bigger
Lettermen sound of "Turn Around" -- "Unbelievable" was more like
"You're the One" -- and it's tough to argue with such success.
So "Unbelievable" was never released.
But I still have a rough mix of the production, with great vocals
by the Vogues. I just got it transferred to MP3, and would be
happy to e-mail to anyone who'd like to hear it (or put it up on
Musica). Also, if anyone here is still in touch with the original,
real Vogues, please give them my best regards. (We never met.)
All best,
(City) Paul
http://www.sff.net/people/paullevinson
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:05:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Steveo
Subject: Re: BS&T '68
Phil C:
> "I Can't Quit Her"/"House In The Country" is
> credited: .....for Past, Present & Future Productions Inc.
> Whose idea was that then, Al?
Phil,
I seem to recall Past, Present, and Future Productions
being David Mook, if my memory serves me from making
the publishing rounds with my songs in the 9000
building (Hollywood).
Steveo
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:26:07 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: "A Tear For Tommy"
Al Kooper:
> Okay poppers. A single on Epic, I think in the early 60's
> with a female lead called "A Tear For Tommy" Probably a
> group name. Anyone have this major obscurity?
Phil C:
> [from an old list]
> "A Tear For Tommy"/"At This Stage Of The Game"
> Linda Lawrence - Epic 9607 (1963)
Mick:
> Yep, both sides written by Al Kooper, Bob Brass & Irwin Levine.
> I wish I could find a copy of the record. Until then I'll have
> to make do with some vile CD of dubious legality. "At This Stage
> Of The Game" is now playing at musica:
So Mick, ANYONE - any chance of a copy of any magnitude of
A Tear For Tommy
Al Kooper
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:52:18 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop Update
Martin Roberts wrote:
> What a sophisticated audience Spectropop members are
We wear Ascots on Sundays....
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:26:20 -0000
From: Phil Hall
Subject: Home Photo
Great shot of Neil Sedaka with who?.
It looks so Brill Building.
Phil Hall
Admin: Who else but the Cookies (Feb '62)!
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:36:37 -0000
From: Frank Young
Subject: "Love You More Than Yesterday" etc.
Hi all...
I was just listening to a long-time fave 45, "Love You
More Than Yesterday" by the Shangri-las. Every time I hear
this disc, I am struck by a certain haunting atmosphere that
I also have encountered on such discs as "If I Knew Then
[What I Know Now]" by the Chiffons. For want of an official
term, I call it the "lonely New York City" sound, and it
especially seems to appear in discs made in 1967 and '68.
A kind of downbeat, melancholy feeling pervades these two
discs in particular. It's a unique brand of bluesy malaise.
Does anyone else pick up this vibe on these and similar discs?
Just wondering...
Best,
Frank
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:28:18 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: "Here Comes The Judge"
Mark Hill writes:
> Upcoming musical acts on LAUGH-IN (on Trio TV):
> 02/26 8am and 1pm- NANCY SINATRA & PIGMEAT MARKHAM
John Fox:
> I don't know if on this show Pigmeat performs the entire
> version of his "Here Comes The Judge" or if he's just an
> actor playing a judge in a courtroom comedy sketch (remember,
> Sammy Davis, Jr. was really the one who originated the phrase
> on Laugh-In). But Pigmeat's version of the song (totally
> different in feel from Shorty Long's higher-charting version)
> was, in my opinion, absolutely positively the first "rap" record.
> Listen to it sometime. The beat, the cadence of the talking,
> everything about it is at least 10-20 years ahead of its time.
Regarding the origin of "Here Comes the Judge", it was Pigmeat
Markham who originated the routine, although he may not have
recorded it first (Shorty Long may have gotten it on vinyl first).
I used to love the Judge routine by all the performers! Speaking
of early rap, another "performer" who rarely gets mentioned is
radio preacher Reverend Ike-anyone else remember him? I have an
EP of his from the late 60's and it's (unintentionally) hilarious,
with phrases like: "God will...SOOTHE your nerves!"
Another great Judge recording, the funniest of all in my opinion,
is "Divorce Court" by the Five Du-Tones (the flip side of their
hit "Shake a Tail Feather").
Art Longmire
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:29:29 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Bogus Vogues
Mike McKay:
> It seems to me that if you stationed yourself at the entrance
> to the venue where the bogus Vogues were appearing and passed
> out a flyer with the true story, they couldn't say anything
> about it.
Mike, good idea but you need to do this BEFORE people buy
tix to the show. If they already have tix they are going
to go to the show, and that supports the Bogus Vogues.
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:29:13 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Drifters, Jive 5 & more
I saw "The Charlie Thomas Drifters" last night - (one of the original)
lead singer(s), Thomas is 68 years old, and said he'd "been a Drifter
since I was 16." I assume that he was with the earlier group hired to
be The Drifters when the original Drifters (with Clyde McPhatter) were
"switched out"? By the way, he was in fine voice and high energy (if
with a few additional vocal mannerisms which were somewhat distracting).
Nonetheless, not only did he sound "just like himself" but his group of
Drifters' vocal texture also sounded remarkably like the group on the
records of the great "There Goes My Baby"-and-after era on Atlantic.
Quite impressive.
Also on the bill was Eugene Pitt and the Jive Five; with two (obviouly
not original) white guys in the group, they were nonetheless vocally
excellent (if sartorially over the top with baggy silver suits!). It
was perhaps the best performance by Pitt I've yet seen. Kenny Vance &
The Planotones also performed what seemed to me like an endless ode
to how wonderful his youth was - very slow-moving and somnolent set,
underutilizing his recently-added excellent back-up vocalists from
Little Isidore & The Inquisitors. That said, my friend who joined me
loved their stuff. Incidentally, Garry Bonner (That Alan's writing
partner) is no longer with the group. The one disappointment was
Johnny Farina, ex-Santo & Johnny, who seemed lost on the steel guitar,
although "Sleepwalk" came close to satisfying; was it Santo who
played the steel on the original?
But basically, it was a fun night, with some fine rewards. Many
thanks to Richard Nader and Shel Stone.
Country Paul
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:05:08 -0000
From: Country Paul
Subject: Pat Boone 45; Columbia echo; Kirby Stone 4; Moondog; fake skip
Eddy:
> The Wayne Newton and Pat Boone 45s were both produced by
> Terry Melcher. They both have Bruce Johnston on backing
> vocals.
I've never heard of Pat Boone's "Beach Girl", and somehow
I have 35 of his 45s in my collection. (No I'm not a fan,
nor an anorak; it's just one of those accidents of collecting
....) Is it worth finding? Is it on a CD?
Steveo:
> I know that some recordings that were made at the Columbia Studios
> either in Hollywood or NYC had excellent acoustics. I'm wondering
> more about why these early 60s "360" stereo sound records sounded so
> great. Obviously the echo chamber. What else was it about this?
> Can anybody comment on this process?
Steveo, there are people in this group who probably used these "echo
chambers," but as I recall, the fire stairwell at Columbia Records
in NYC was miked to be the big echo chamber there, and Columbia
Studios in Nashville had a concrete "cavern" built downstairs with
a big speaker at one end and a great mike at the other. So the
reverb/sustain/echo was natural in both places.
Phil M., I believe the Brass Ring recorded for Dunhill.
Re: The Now Sound - would folks categorize The Kirby Stone Four -
with their unison singing and frequent doublihg with instruments
- into this genre? (I'm thinking particularly of "Baubles,
Bangles & Beads"....)
Mike Rashkow:
> ...[Moondog] used to stand out there on 5th Ave. dressed like a
> Viking with a pullcart -- he recorded with Julie Andrews? I mean
> I know he was a trained musician, but he was also quite strange --
> hard to picture him and Julie Andrews. Kind of like Esquerita
> recording with Itzhak Perlman.
Remember that he wrote "All Is Loneliness", covered very well by
Big Brother & The Holding Company. Also, his work was well regarded
by many in the avant-garde classical community. Strange pairing,
but maybe not that strange.
To the list of fake skipping records, add The Playmates' "While
The Record Goes Around", a smaller hit by them complete with a
rimshot imitating the skip.
Country Paul
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:29:17 -0000
From: Art, Mike, Jon, Steve
Subject: Progressive Monkees
Bill Craig wrote:
> Mickey Dolenz (Circus Boy!)is a
> talented comic actor but I was never a fan of his singing except
> that I always thought his voice had a similar quality to the late
> Tim Buckley's, who was indeed an original and significant singer/
> songwriter of the first '60s wave.
> Having always thought their voices were somewhat alike I was amazed
> when at the end of one Monkees episode Mickey's off camera voice out
> of nowhere says: "Ladies and gentlemen, Tim Buckley" and T. appears
> and performs one of his songs. Does anyone remember this? I can't
> remember which song he did.
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From: Art Longmire
Date: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:00pm
Hello Bill,
I've heard about the Tim Buckley episode...actually first heard about
it while reading an article about the Monkees a year or so ago.
Needless to say I've never seen the program with Buckley on it...I'd
love to see it! I'm sure the Monkees experts on the board can fill us
in on the details.
You are the first I've heard compare Buckley's voice to Mickey
Dolenz! I'm a Tim Buckley fan from way back-I first heard him in 1971
on an underground FM station, KPRI, in San Diego. I was fifteen at
the time and the song was "I Never Asked To Be Your Mountain". I just
about fell on the floor, the song was so incredible. About six months
later I purchased Tim's Goodbye and Hello LP and have been a huge fan
of his ever since...what a brilliant singer songwriter he was.
Interestingly enough, Tim was marketed in the early phase of his
career to somewhat the same audience as the Monkees-teenage girls! I
have a couple of articles in 1968 editions of Hit Parader and Song
Hits where young ladies discuss Tim's hair and eyes...nothing about
his music! Although I'm sure the Monkees had the prepubescent crowd
sewn up, it's not that far-fetched that the "progressive and poetic"
Tim Buckley would appear on their show.
Art Longmire
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From: Mike McKay
Date: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:58am
It was Tim's "Song to the Siren" -- although many earlier Monkees
reference works misidentify it (I seem to remember several saying
it was "The War Drags On," the Buffy Ste. Marie song covered by
Donovan!).
According to notes to a Rhino Tim Buckley anthology:
"Song To The Siren" was recorded live in 1967 on the Screen Gems
set of The Monkees, for Episode #58: "Mijacogeo (The Frodis Caper)."
Monkee Micky Dolenz, who directed the episode, also introduces the
song.
I believe this was the last Monkees episode ever produced,
by which time they were just playing out the string and
did what they wanted to do.
Mike McKay
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From: Jon Cook
Date: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:24pm
I may be late on answering this, but Tim did 'Song to the Siren'. It
was, I
believe, on the very last episode 'Frodus Caper'. If you want to see
Psych-influenced TV, that episode is it. Hypnotic TVs with eyeballs
on them,
a B-movie alien partly made of a tall plant, plus Rip Taylor, and
more. The
Monkees were definitely an anomaly - I can't imagine an O-Town
(the 'Making
the Band' TV show product), doing an album on their own a
la 'Headquarters',
let alone having 4 members writing songs.
jon
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From: Steve McClure
Date: Tue Feb 17, 2004 0:29am
Tim Buckley performed "Song to the Siren" on the Monkees show in
quetsion.
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:02:26 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Al
Simon:
> And here's my question. Is that Neil Sedaka singing lead with
> the Tokens? And if so, who were The Tokens?
Al K:
> Core classic Tokens were always Jay Siegel, Hank Medress,
> Phil & Mitch Margo
It's funny. You think Al Kooper, and you think the guy who
played organ on 'Like A Rolling Stone'. You think of the
founder of brass rock. You think of all these innovative
things that seem so Al Kooper-like. Then you see he wrote
some of the most gooey pop ever (mind you I love it) and
you think, "Who and what is Al Kooper to me now?". Thanks
for joining the list Al.
JB
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:46:40 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Re: Neil & Cookies
Phil Hall wrote:
> Great shot of Neil Sedaka with who?.
> It looks so Brill Building.
> Admin: Who else but the Cookies (Feb '62)!
I thought it might be the Cookies. I understand they were
on a few of Neil's recordings back in the day. I'm trying
to think of which tracks, specifically, but may have to look
it up and get back to you all! (Anybody else know?)
Laura
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:49:37 -0500
From: Mark Hill
Subject: From Mark Hill / Cool Shakes/Great Shakes Commercial Jingles
Country Paul:
> Was seeking info on commercial jingle, "Cool Shakes".
Numerous responses thought CP was most likely thinking
of the "Great Shakes" jingles-c./66-67- featuring THE BLUES
MAGOOS, THE CHIFFONS, THE YARDBIRDS, THE TOKENS, THE WHO, etc.
Country Paul responded:
> In New York, in the late 50's or early 60's? I don't think so,
> but thanks For trying, everyone! It really was "Cool Shakes",
> honest. I know the commercial ran on the old WMGM.
Mark Hill offers:
> Was browsing my Billboard Top Pop singles book and accidentally
> ran across this title:
> THE DELL-VIKINGS- Cool Shake (1957) #12 (Mercury)
> flip: Jitterbug Mary.
> Group formed in Pittsburgh PA, 1955. This was the 2nd group
> of NEW Dell-Vikings. These formed by Gus Backus for Mercury
> in 1957. Last of their 3 top 100 hits.
Well, this has the almost the right title and is east coast and
the right time period. Though the Top Pop book usually denotes
if there is a commercial jingle tie-in. This entry doesn't.
Any connection??? Any help???
"Dr. Mark" Hill * The Doctor Of Pop Culture
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/popmusicpopculture
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