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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Female record collectors
From: P.A. Ferra
2. "Up And Down The Dial"
From: That Alan Gordon
3. 'Smile' in the UK
From: Paul Bryant
4. Jerry Naylor, Skyla/Raystar Records
From: Bob Celli
5. John Beland / Jesse Lee Kincaid
From: Stephane Rebeschini
6. Re: An era ends: Relic Rack closing
From: Phil X. Milstein
7. Re: McCoys "Beat the Clock"
From: Mike McKay
8. Coca Cola Commercial. Song ID?!
From: Christian Steiner
9. Arnold's Almanac - Rupert Holmes
From: Mark Hill
10. Here Come The Girls
From: Vlaovic B
11. Trude or Trudy?
From: Jeff Lemlich
12. "Don't Hurt Me" Babbity Blue/Bernadette Carroll same song???
From: Jeff
13. "Son Rumores", Joaquin Prieto and a Spanish cola.
From: Julio Niño
14. Re: Tradewinds
From: Orion
15. Neil Sedaka phones it in
From: Phil X. Milstein
16. Lance Drake letter; Doris Troy; John Beland; "Rumores"; ISO Luvs
From: Country Paul
17. Re: Tradewinds
From: Fred Clemens
18. New Leaders Of The Pack girl group CD
From: Guy Lawrence
19. Re: Jackie Shane
From: Chris
20. Brian Wilson To Release Lost Classic SMiLE In Fall 2004
From: Neb Rodgers
21. Re: Ray Hildebrand
From: Pres
22. Larry Knechtal
From: Austin Roberts
23. Re: Mark Wirtz's new project
From: Mark Wirtz
24. Teddy & the Pandas
From: Jim Shannon
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:14:40 -0000
From: P.A. Ferra
Subject: Female record collectors
Mike Edwards wrote:
> If record collecting is the preserve of middle aged
> white guys with failing eyesight, why would any girl
> want to go there?
Paul Bryant:
> Yeah Mike but we all used to be young hunky record
> collectors, and there still weren't any gals we could
> talk about Stax B-sides with.
Mike - it is not really the preserve of middle-aged white guys
at all! The reason I joined this group is because I can't seem
to stop myself from browsing MusicStack for cool vinyl.
Paul - maybe we did want to talk about things like Otis & Carla
flipsides, but you guys were too shy to ask :)
P.A. Ferra
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:23:11 -0700 (MST)
From: That Alan Gordon
Subject: "Up And Down The Dial"
Hi Clark, the man who wrote 'Up And Down The Dial', chapter 38,
DID NOT meet ME. Garry Bonner would have told me about any
legal crap. We NEVER served papers on anyone not even a parrot!
I can assure you of this Clark, if I met a guy at a party, who
"borrowed" a part of a song of mine I WOULD NOT BE LAUGHING!
Best, That Alan
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:29:17 -0000
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: 'Smile' in the UK
Just curious - what do American fans think of big Brian doing
Smile in the UK before the USA? Speaking as an Englishman it
sure seems strange to me. Flattering, but strange.
pb
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:01:58 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Jerry Naylor, Skyla/Raystar Records
Here is an excerpt from an interview John McPhee and I did with Jerry
Naylor in the Spring of 2000 in regards to his early recording career.
BC. What can you tell us about the Raystar recordings you did using
the name Jackie Gerard?
JN. I signed with Skyla/Raystar Records in late 1960. The company was
owned by a woman named Starla Kay Rindoni. Starla's husband was in the
clothing manufacturing business and known to be associated with
organized crime, as was my good friend Tony Ferra, who owned the
Crossbow Nightclub. Starla Kay was a high priced prostitute in LA and
Las Vegas before she married the wealthy Ray Rindoni and started her
own record label and production company. She was a wonderful lady, a
really good friend to me. I really, really liked her alot. I was
introduced to her by Tony Ferra, and began recording for her using my
real name, Jerry Naylor. My first record for Skyla was "Stop Your
Crying". At the time Jimmy Seals, the sax player for The Champs, wrote
two songs for me, "Make Up Your Mind" and "Gonna Find a Love That's
True". I loved the songs and recorded them under the name of Jackie
Gerard. Jimmy Seals, Dash Croft, Glen Campbell and other musician
friends played on the session. "Stop You Crying" was getting airplay
on all of the local and regional stations and was on the charts,
therefore, I used a different name and released another record at the
same time. I guess we thought that two records out at the same time
was the thing to do. Ironically, all of this......the success with the
recording "Stop Your Crying", and my association with Starla Kay
Rindoni, is how I met Danny Whitman, who was also known to have been
associated with organized crime figures. As you know, Danny Whitman
was the manager of the Crickets, and through him I became lead singer
of the group.
That's where I'll cut it off as it covers a previous question that
came up in the posts. The interview that we did with Jerry was very
extensive and covered virtually every aspect of his career. He was
most gracious with his time and btw, has a new cd out, and is doing
quite well!
Bob Celli
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:39:56 +0100
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: John Beland / Jesse Lee Kincaid
Clark Besch a écrit:>
> Now playing on Musica is John Beland's great 1969 version
> of Jesse Lee Kincaid's "Baby, You Come Rollin' 'Cross my Mind".
Hi
The former Rising Sons member Jesse Lee Kincaid has his own
website and is still working in the music biz. I'm sure that he
can answer to your questions about his songs:
http://www.jessekincaid.com/index.html
Note: his real name is Gerlach, he's the nephew of the great
acoustic guitar player Fred Gerlach.
Best regards
Stephane Rebeschini
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:36:41 -0500
From: Phil X. Milstein
Subject: Re: An era ends: Relic Rack closing
Fred Clemens wrote:
> I caught the Collecting Bug there, back in February of 1975. At that
> time, Eddie Greise was the owner, along with Donn Filleti, but I
> hardly ever saw them. Most of the early memories there were on
> weekends, with the likes of Sal Passantino, Jim Hunt, and "Savoy".
> All were tremendously helpful with the ins and outs of collecting
> records.
Jim Hunt was my high school gym teacher. I hated him in that role, as
one usually hates one's gym teachers, but learned to respect him later
upon learning, shortly after my graduation, that he was a big doo-wop
collector, and that he worked weekends at the Relic Rack. Alas, by then
I was already living in Mass., and it was too late for me to use the
connection to gain entree into Relic's inner sanctum. Too bad, as I
could've really used the discounts!
--Phil M.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:56:01 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: McCoys "Beat the Clock"
Jim Shannon wrote:
> Anyone remember the minor hit from the McCoys (on Bang)
> called "Beat the Clock". Released in the autumn of '66.
A great song that I snapped up immediately on 45 when it came out,
even though its time on the radio airwaves was short indeed. The
McCoys' Greatest Hits CD out now has the untrimmed version; the 45
was edited. I don't know why this song wasn't a bigger hit; it
certainly deserved to be.
Mike
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:51:57 +0100
From: Christian Steiner
Subject: Coca Cola Commercial. Song ID?!
Hi!
I need help to identificate a song from a Coca Cola Commercial,
which could have been seen in German cinemas around the mid-
nineties (hopefully in the US as well...). The song sounded like
a spacey doo-wop song (if there ever has been such thing and if
my memory doesn't play any tricks on me). The scenery was set in
a kind of lagoon, one or two people were lying on a raft having
a rest with a bottle of Coca Cola besides them, when an elephant
swam by and took the bottle with itself. Does anyone know that
song? Even the slightest hint would be appreciated. The customer
service of Coca Cola didn't care about my question. So you're my
only help!
Thanks in advance, Krischan
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:58:13 -0500
From: Mark Hill
Subject: Arnold's Almanac - Rupert Holmes
>From DJ JJ'S Music Almanac:
Celebrating his 57th birthday (Tue 02-24): a great, underrated
singer/songwriter:
Rupert Holmes- The Buoys' "Timothy," The Street People's "Jennifer
Tomkins," his own great 1978-1980 hits... and creator of AMC-TV's
"Remember WENN"...
"Dr. Mark" Hill
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:11:58 -0500
From: Vlaovic B
Subject: Here Come The Girls
Please can anyone from the UK tell me what is 'pantomime'? It's
often used in a disparaging way to suggest what a performer starts
doing in the UK was their career veers downward, ie. After she
stopped having hits she could have gone the pantomime route, but
thankfully didn't'. I assume it's theatre of some sort but it must
be more specific to something North Americans don't fully understand.
Tell me did Tammy St. John and Mally Page perform the song "Life and
Soul of the Party'? I've got a couple of CDs ('Here come the Girls'
and the Breakaways) and I think the liner notes suggest both recorded
the song (I only knew of Petula Clarks version before), but St. John
and Page have such similar voices I can't really tell if they're
different or who actually recorded it.
Also, I've been trying to pickup the full series of the Pye/Picadilly
series "Here Come the Girls" unfortunately it seems that the series
is out of print. To this point I've got Vols 1, 04 (more on Vol 4
later), 06 , 08 and 10. Which leaves me lacking all the US girl Group
vols (3, 05 , 07 , 09 ) and Volume 2 which I assume is also britchix. I'm
unable to find out a track listing for Vol 2, if anyone has it can
they email it to me. I'm still scouring ebay and the like for the
other vols.
And as a final note....I've got two CDs of the series which are
ostensibly Vol. 4, but one is listed as Vol. 1 and lacks 3 tracks
(Pet Clark, Anita Harris, Angela and the Fans) which are included on
the properly labelled Vol 4. Same graphics and all but 3 additional
trax, anyone have an answer as to how this situation came about?
T'anx
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:18:26 -0500
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Trude or Trudy?
Can someone please tell me the correct spelling of Trude Heller's
name (and her club of the same name)? I seem to recall it being
Trude with an E, but I often see it referred to with a Y. I need
this information for an article I am writing.
Thanks,
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:46:31 -0000
From: Jeff
Subject: "Don't Hurt Me" Babbity Blue/Bernadette Carroll same song???
I have heard a song by the title "Don't Hurt Me" by Bernadette
Carroll, and I wonder if Babbity Blue's (which I have not heard)
is the same song. Jeff
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:06:07 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: "Son Rumores", Joaquin Prieto and a Spanish cola.
Hola Everybody.
I´ve played to music "Son Rumores" by David Soto, a little piece
of Spanish pop prehistory. The song was composed by the Chilean
Joaquín Prieto. Although I know it was a hit in Spain at the
beginning of the sixties, it is completely forgotten nowadays and
I haven´t been able to find any reference of the record.
Continuing with songs composed by Joaquín Prieto, while I was
searching for "Son Rumores", I found a version of "El Amor" by the
Spanish singer Jaime Morey (Phillips EP 436293PE), it was a
moderate hit in Spain in the Spring of 1965. I don´t know if this
is the original version. This song was covered by Verdelle Smith
and The Walker Brothers as "In my Room" ( English Lyrics by Vance /
Pockriss), I haven´t heard Verdelle´s version but in my opinion
The Walker Brothers´ cover is better by far than Jaime Morey´s.
Changing the subject, I´ve enjoyed a lot the story of "the jingle
that became a song" by Alan Gordon. It would have been really fun
listening to the lyrics of the clear cola in Spain..." I went
looking for cola, a different kind of cola...".
Note: In Spanish cola is used for the soft drink but it can also
mean penis.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:47:18 -0600
From: Orion
Subject: Re: Tradewinds
> I worked with the Tradewinds in the late 60's,early 70's on
> some demos that John Hill (of Are you Ready fame) and I had
> written. They played on them and did all the backgrounds which
> made my life a whole lot easier. They sounded great and were
> easy to work with. Can't remember which NYC studio we used.
This is the non Anders & Poncia Tradewinds, I assume. Austin,
did you know either of those two? The music they sang was
generally pop sunshine bubblegum. I really enjoy their music.
Orion
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:03:52 -0500
From: Phil X. Milstein
Subject: Neil Sedaka phones it in
With Neil Sedaka recently "in the news" 'round Spectro way, I
thought it a good time to post -- to musica, of course -- a cute
li'l studio bit which catches him recording a promo for
Australian radio.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:31:55 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Lance Drake letter; Doris Troy; John Beland; "Rumores"; ISO Luvs
Jim Shannon, nice detective work finding Lance Drake and
getting the first-person BlueBeats and #1 info.! Great
piece on a slice of CT history from before I got there.
Mick Patrick, thanks for the additional info and story
from Doris Troy re: "Just One Look." All these additional
dimensions I never knew....
Clark Besch,
http://members.chello.at/thomas.aubrunner/beland.htm is
a great site - too much reading for one night! I'm
impressed with how many groups he's been with. The record
is a bit over-orchestrated, but it is such a great song.
And where did that very nice intro come from? Never heard
it before.
Slightly later in time - is John Beland related to Bob
Beland, who did a great indie 45 called "Stealin' Cars"
on the Deli Platters label in 1981? By the way, this was
the same label that released the original "When Things Go
Wrong" by Robin Lane and the Chartbusters, a Boston classic.
Julio Nino, thank you for the David Soto post to musica.
It's the same "Rumores" as Antonio Prieto, but a much
smoother and more middle-road version. Re-extending the
offer I made regarding the Clusters, if someone in the US
(or overseas) is interested and has the tech available to
post to musica, I'll send a tape dub of those songs and
any others I have that folks want to hear.
Me yesterday, re: Relic Rack:
> Depending on my work schedule, I hope to get there
> tomorrow. I'll post what I find.
The sign on the door said they were supposed to be open.
They were closed. Will try again.
IN SEARCH OF: The Luvs, "We Kiss In The Shadows." I have
an mp3, but wonder if it made it to a CD. (I'm told the
original 45 is thoroughly prohibitive costwise!)
Country Paul
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:49:00 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Tradewinds
Phil Hall wrote:
> I was listening to some Tradewinds tunes recently, and while
> a lot of it was the familiar East Coast surf 'n' hot-rod stuff
> (The Girl From Greenwich Village, Party Starts At Nine, etc.),
> some it was a very different, doo-wop sound. According to
> allmusic.com, the are the same group, but I don't think so.
> Angletone records, who the doo-wop Tradewinds recorded for,
> did most of their work in the 50's. Can anyone provide any
> further enlightenment?
The Tradewinds that you speak of had earlier ties with the Videls,
who were noted for "Mister Lonely" and "Now That Summer Is Here" on
the JDS label, as well as recording for the Rhody ("Be My Girl") and
Kapp ("A Letter From Anne") labels. The significant members were
Peter Andreoli (aka Pete Anders) and Vinnie Poncia.
I don't believe they are related to the Angletone Tradewinds.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:32:39 -0000
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: New Leaders Of The Pack girl group CD
Universal's two CD, TV advertised girl group compilation,
"Leaders Of The Pack", that I mentioned here a week or so
ago, has had it's release date put back 'til next Monday
(March 1st) due to a manufacturing problem. I'll post a
tracklisting if I can get hold of one before then.
Guy
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 06:32:04 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Jackie Shane
Damien on Jackie Shane:
> Openly gay, [Shane] was considered "risque"
> at the time. "Any Other Way" was considered
> his lifestyle statement as well as his major
> single release.
Could his "Stand Up Straight And Tall" also be considered a
"lifestyle statement"?
Shane was unknown to me until I started encountering S'Pop
references. My knowledge of his recordings is still only second-
hand, but ... sounds to me as if there's someone here of distict
Gay Pride (or, if you will, "Lifestyle Statement" Pride) interest.
Standin' In The Shadow of Pride,
Chris
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:49:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Neb Rodgers
Subject: Brian Wilson To Release Lost Classic SMiLE In Fall 2004
Hey, 37 years later is better than not at all!
-Neb
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Brian Wilson To Release Lost Classic SMiLE In Fall 2004;
Reconstructed Album Performed Live For First Time In London
Perhaps the most highly-regarded unreleased record in rock
history, the Beach Boys' SMiLE, is reportedly getting its
official release 37 years after its creation, in fall 2004.
According to a recent report from BBC News Online: "A few
months ago Wilson revisited the SMiLE tapes in Capitol
Records' vaults and went on to finish the album with his
original lyricist, Van Dyke Parks."
read on here-
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/04-02/24.shtml
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:49:59 -0500
From: Pres
Subject: Re: Ray Hildebrand
Hugo M. wrote:
> In fact, the only one I see him credited with is being the
> "Paul" of Paul And Paula. He and Jill Jackson recorded the
> song on a local label, first as "Jill And Ray",and then when
> it was reissued on Philips Records as "Paul And Paula".
Not only fairly new to this group - I love this - but also way
behind in reading...
Thank you for answering a question that's been making me crazy
since my recent purchase of "Touch The Wall Of Sound Vol. 3". -
Why did I know the voice of Jill Jackson's "Here Comes The Night"?
It's amazing how pieces of info fall into place in this group!
pres
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:08:42 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Larry Knechtal
Clark Besch:
> Austin, who does the great organ work? Anyway, great song.
> Also, is it me or does anyone else think of the Association's
> intro of "No Fair at All" when putting the Arkade's "Morning
> of Our Lives" on the turntable? Both great songs!
Hey Clark,
Thanks for the Life Is For Living plug.. Steve Barri planned to
build me as a solo as well as with the Arkade and this was the
first and only, I believe, single we did on me before he who shall
not be named (not Steve) changed the whole deal on me and I left.
Sometimes a handshake just gives you warts.
The organ work was none other than Larry Knechtal; he probably did
the early Association keyboard as I know he put the incredible
organ ending on Never My Love.
As far as the intro to Morning Of Our Lives, Barri had a great feel
for intros as did Jimmie Haskel, so I'm not sure about that one.
AR
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:41:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz's new project
Hey, Country Paul,
Thank you so much for your response and review of L2LWL. Yours
is in fact the very first "audience reaction" that I have had in
on this, so the fact that it is positive had me pass a deep sigh
of relief, and crack a beer, LOL. In fact, I think I'll frame it :)
Your observations about the BB, Macca etc. elements are most
appropriate. The fact is that L2LWL (as applies to the majority of
the album) is a transitional "hello I'm back, please come aboard
and join me on the the new journey ahead" party. As such, it
contains many echoes of my past work (for my old fans) as well as
signs of things to come (for hopefully new ones). As such, L2LWL is
in fact a shameless salute to all my past heroes, from Spector to
the above mentioned, wrapped in my own idiosyncratic style (of
which I am not conscious). But - stand by. If L2LWL offers smiles
(pun respectfully intended), Anthony Rivers' "Sanctuary" will
guarantee goose bumps. Unlike ambitious yet low-carb, low cal,
"lite" L2LWL, it is melodic, yet uncompromising, on the edge and in
your face neo Rock. This time, I went all the way, and with audio
and musician genius Phil Hadaway's help, actually (and
allegorically) put the end of the world on record, with only
Anthony's stirring performance resonating as a symbol of hope and
optimism about the future. None of that Grocer Jack fairy tale
stuff spoken here!
Thank you again for your kind comments, Paul. I'm keeping my
fingers crossed that many music lovers will feel the same.
Warm best,
Mark w :)
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:05:44 -0000
From: Jim Shannon
Subject: Teddy & the Pandas
This could be a hard find, but I would like to include the Teddy
and Pandas' pop song "Once Upon a Time" in the reconstruction
of my music library. I believe it was released in the summer of
'66 or maybe '67. A forgotten 45 for sure. believe they were a
Boston home grown band. For that matter, I still need Orpheus
"Can't Find the Time" as well.
Still on the subject of garage bands, anyone know the real
reason Wand re-issued Kingmen "Louie Louie, '64.'65, '66. It's
original release was in '63 so that makes four consecutive years
in a row.
Jim Shannon
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