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Spectropop - Digest Number 1423
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004
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SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: UK Oriole
From: Ray Lincoln
2. Re: The Portraits
From: Gary Myers
3. Re: commercial uses ... now "Blowin' In the Wind"?
From: Andrew C. Jones
4. Re: Timi Yuro
From: James Botticelli
5. Re: commercial uses
From: Clark Besch
6. Re: Hothouse Smiles
From: Gary Myers
7. Re: commercial uses ... now "Blowin' in the Wind"?
From: Artie Wayne
8. Re: commercial uses ... now "Blowin' in the Wind"?
From: Art Longmire
9. Re: Uptown Harley Hatcher
From: Joe Foster
10. Re: Larry Carlton / Wenzel's / Uptown
From: Gary Myers
11. Re: Timi Yuro
From: Eddie Rambeau
13. Re: Since I Fell For You
From: Steve Harvey
14. Re: Since I Fell For Since I Fell For You
From: James Botticelli
15. Beatlefest in Secaucus
From: Fred Clemens
16. Re: Manhattan label
From: Joe Foster
17. Cartridge controversy continues ...
From: Austin Powell
18. Re: Larry Knechtel
From: Doug Carey
19. mo' commercial potent
From: Steve Harvey
20. Re: The Portraits
From: Gary Myers
21. Re: Since I Fell For You
From: Clark Besch
22. Jerry Tawney discog
From: Gary Myers
23. Shindig March Reviews Now Up
From: Jon 'Mojo' Mills
24. Various
From: Country Paul
25. The Ronettes & Chubby Checker @ Cameo-Parkway
From: Mick Patrick
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:10:48 +0100
From: Ray Lincoln
Subject: Re: UK Oriole
Oriole had early hits with jazz and skiffle records. In the '60s the label
became more pop and soul oriented, and in fact in 1962 and '63 held
the licensing arrangements for Tamla Motown in the UK.
Oriole label:
CBA1809 I Found A Girl/You'll Be Sorry Some Day
Valadiers
March 1963
CBA1775 I Found Myself A Brand New Baby/It's Too Bad
Mike & Modifiers
Oct 1962
CBA1808 If It's Love (It's All Right) /It's Not Too Late
Eddie Holland
March 1963
CBA1817 Locking Up My Heart/Forever
Marvelettes
March 1963
CBA1819 Come And Get These Memories/Jealous Lover
Martha & Vandellas
April 1963
CBA1764 Beechwood 4-5789/Someday Someway
Marvelettes
Sept 1962
CBA1795 You've Really Got A Hold On Me/Happy Landing
Miracles
Jan 1962
CBA1831 Don't Let Him Be Your Baby/It May Be Love
Contours
May 1963
CBA1803 Stubborn Kind Of Fellow/It Hurt Me Too
Marvin Gaye
Feb 1963
CBA1846 Pride & Joy/One Of These Days
Marvin Gaye
July 1963
CBA1762 You Beat Me To The Punch/Old Love (Let's Try It Again)
Mary Wells
Sept 1962
CBA1829 Laughing Boy/Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right
Mary Wells
May 1963
CBA1847 Your Old Stand By/What Love Has Joined Together
Mary Wells
July 1963
ray
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:38:37 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: The Portraits
previously:
> Can you tell me which two soundtracks have the additional songs on them?
We have a filler song (not used in the movie) on "Dr. Goldfoot & the Girl
Bombs", under the name Paul & The Pack. That was pre-Tawney. Paul is
Paul Stefan, who some collectors might recognize from "I Fought The Law"
on Citation, and/or "Hey Lonely One" on Cite. Then, as Jerry & The Portraits
we have the vocal version of "Devil's Angels" (and if anyone has the Tower
promo single of it, I'm interested!).
> ... do you by any chance have copies of the unreleased songs?
I think I have some things on reel-to-reel (how old is THAT!), with, presently,
no way to transfer them to anything else.
I'm blown away that there are two people in here who have my records!
gem
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:29:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew C. Jones
Subject: Re: commercial uses ... now "Blowin' In the Wind"?
Artie: I haven't seen or heard that commercial, but I flat-out agree
with you. I thought Mr. Dylan never allowed his songs to be used
in commercials; it's a (bleepin') shame if he is now.
ACJ
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:38:04 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Timi Yuro
> Oldies fans throughout the world are mourning the loss of Timi Yuro.
Anecdotally, my sister-in-law went into Manhattan one night the summer
before last to carouse, and ran into Timi Yuro at a bar. My sister-in-law had
no clue as to who the woman was; she hadn't even been born when Timi's
biggest hits were out. But she was convinced that I would know, and got
Timi to autograph the sleeve of her new CD for me. My sister-in-law tells
me Timi was suffering from cancer at the time.
JB
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:28:30 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: commercial uses
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Am I the only one angry that one of the most important songs of our
> generation has been turned into a commercial?
The way Miller is using actual Bud bottles to show women prefer Miller
over Bud surprises me. Maybe Bold should use "Leader of the Laundromat"
against Tide! "My folks were always putting Tide down (down down),
because the laundry came back brown (brown brown)". What say to
that, Ron Dante? :) Besides, the Doors used Ajax laundry detergent in
reverse -- a hit song using a commercial!! "Stronger than dirt, new Ajax
laundry deteregent is stronger than dirt". ("Touch Me", of course).
Clark
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:21:23 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Hothouse Smiles
Mark Wirtz wrote:
> ... my own Capitol album "Hothouse Smiles," ... which Cashbox
> honored as "album of the year" in 1974.
Mark, forgive my ignorance, but was that under your name or a band name?
gem
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:26:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: commercial uses ... now "Blowin' in the Wind"?
I wrote:
> Am I the only one angry that one of the most important songs of our
> generation has been turned into a commercial?
> "How many times can we do our wash before the whites turn to grey?
> And how many times can we dry our clothes 'til colors all fade away?
> The answer my friend is Blowin' in the Wind
> New Tide Blowin' in the Wind!!"
> Outraged,
I forgot to add ... APRIL FOOL!!!
I guess there's no point in asking if anyone has seen Bob Dylan in the
Victorias' Secret TV commercial. Who would believe that????
regards,
Artie Wayne
http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:58:25 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: commercial uses ... now "Blowin' in the Wind"?
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Am I the only one angry that one of the most important songs of
> our generation has been turned into a commercial?
Hello Artie,
I haven't heard that one yet, but I was startled the other day when I
saw Bob Dylan appearing in a Victoria's Secret commercial. I'd heard
him singing on an earlier Victoria's Secret commercial, but to actually
see him make an appearance in one was rather astonishing.
I've got to say that regarding the use of songs in commercials, the
context and presentation really make the difference -- I've seen some
commercials that were very well done, and some use songs in very
effective and artistically effective ways, while others are nothing but
crass rip-offs. The commercial you mentioned sounds like it belongs
in the latter category. I'm sure some of us can still remember the time
the Beatles' "Revolution" was used to sell shoes ... I'm still ticked off
about that one!
By the way, I LIKE the Dylan Victoria's Secret commercial.
Art Longmire
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:42:31 +0100
From: Joe Foster
Subject: Re: Uptown Harley Hatcher
Gary Myers wrote:
> Uptown and Sidewalk were both subsids of Tower, and I guess
> were manufactured by Capitol. I think Uptown dealt mostly
> with Soul/R&B, but I'm not an expert by any means.
I have a vague memory there were some Chocolate Watchband singles on
Uptown, too. ... Harley Hatcher, now *there's* a character!
Joe
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:39:15 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Larry Carlton / Wenzel's / Uptown
previously:
> I had the great pleasure of working with Larry on a number of projects ...
> with Larry Carlton's guitar ...
I played with Larry Carlton most of the summer of '67 -- at a topless after-
hours beer bar (!) while I was working 6 nights a week with the Portraits.
Larry (C) played on one of our unreleased sessions.
> I just read the post about Wenzel's record store closing ... Is there
> a story behind their closing?
Tom & Maxine decided it was time to retire. Yes, I was very sorry to hear
about their closing, too. And, I didn't hear about it until after the fact, so
I missed out on any closing sale ... and I live only about 2 miles from the
store. They used to sell some of my stuff on consignment.
> ... interesting records on the Uptown label ... The Sugar Lumps, Won't
> You Help Me (Uptown 735), written by Harley Hatcher and also recorded
> by the Paris Sisters on their Sidewalk "Golden Hits Of The Paris Sisters"
> LP ...
I didn't know about that one. Maybe there was more of a connection
between the two labels, or maybe it was just the Hatcher connection on
that particular song.
gem
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:46:42 EST
From: Eddie Rambeau
Subject: Re: Timi Yuro
I would like to offer my condolences to all those who adored Timi Yuro.
I had the distinct pleasure of working with her in Pittsburgh, and I can
remember a wonderful time we had driving in the back seat to do one of
Pittsburgh's American Bandstand type shows. We laughed, we sang, and
I truly believed that she was one of the most talented singers on the face
of the planet. As a matter of fact, till today I still have as many Timi Yuro
songs in my iPod as I've been able to find. Her rendition of "The 13th
Hour" will forever remain one of my favorites. I've also always been a
huge fan of Brenda Lee's and always thought that Timi and Brenda had
a similar quality, yet you could still always tell them apart. There are so
many Timi Yuro songs that I will treasure and continue to listen to, and
my favorites are much too numerous to mention. She was a truly gifted
singer, with a voice that keeps me in awe. I carry my iPod everywhere I
go, and so she will be with me always. I love and will miss you, Timi.
May God bless you, your family, fans and friends.
In fond memory,
Eddie Rambeau
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:50:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Since I Fell For You
Mike Rashkow wrote:
> I hope I didn't communicate that I thought Ella's was better. It is
> totally different. As you know, she swings the blues and Lenny
> cried his heart out.
Mike,
No, I was merely asking your opinion of Ella's version. The obit seemed
to make out that her version was even better than his take. I'd find it hard
to believe that anybody could top Lenny Welch's performance. A classic
instance of a brilliant performance being caught on tape.
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:42:15 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Since I Fell For Since I Fell For You
Mike Rashkow wrote:
> I absolutely love Lenny Welch's record. One of my all time faves. Great
> chart and most interestingly -- he does the verse. How odd is that for a
> pop hit? Cadence was a great label. Archie Bleyer had exquisite taste.
Laura Lee did a credible early 70's cover of same, and laid a nice rap on the
intro to boot ...
JB
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:47:24 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Beatlefest in Secaucus
I was just wondering if anyone on board will be in attendance at the
Beatlefest in Secaucus, NJ, over this weekend (Friday, Saturday and
Sunday). Original Beatle drummer Pete Best is scheduled to be there
all three days. I think I *might* be able to make it there on Sunday. I
know that WCBS-FM's Bob Shannon will be there on Sunday to host
a Beatles quiz/game on Sunday at 2pm.
Fred Clemens
http://www.bobshannon.com
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:29:25 +0100
From: Joe Foster
Subject: Re: Manhattan label
Martin Roberts wrote:
> PS Whilst hunting for the 45 I stumbled on a single from the Manhattan
> label, best known for soul girl Lydia Marcelle. And the credits on all these?
> Sidewalk Productions & Harley Hatcher, but dist. by Dover Records ...
> more queries!
I used to have some singles on Manhattan:
The Painted Faces:
Anxious Color/Things We See (Manhattan 803)
I Think I'm Going Mad/I Lost You In My Mind (Manhattan 811)
Don't Say She's Gone/In The Heat Of The Night (Manhattan 818)
Apparently something of a tax loss operation, Manhattan still exists as an
EMI/Capitol subsid. Mostly jazz nowadays. I think they just kept the name,
along with Angel Records, another Curb thing.
Joe
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:23:41 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Cartridge controversy continues ...
Am I missing something here? Joel Whitburn's Billboard Top Pop Singles
book lists Flip Cartridge as being (William) Billy Meshel, born: Brooklyn,
later an exec at Ariola America Records. Not (Skip &) Flip!
Austin
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:47:50 -0800
From: Doug Carey
Subject: Re: Larry Knechtel
I've mentioned this before on a separate thread, but Larry Knechtel lives in
my town of Yakima, Washington. Apparently, he and his wife relocated here
from the Eastside (Seattle-ish) a couple of years ago. Our local news did a feature
on him about a month ago, and he started playing around at some of our very
few night spots.
Perhaps those of you who know him will be able to let me know if it would be
intrusive of me to approach him about sitting down to talk about his work.
I'm a music teacher in town, but I don't know if that would carry any weight.
I don't want to offend him, just pick his brain.
Doug
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:46:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: mo' commercial potent
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Am I the only one angry that one of the most important songs of our
> generation has been turned into a commercial?
That's even worse than the bandage company that uses "It's Alright Ma,
I'm Only Bleeding" for their commercials.
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:43:14 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: The Portraits
> "Million To One" -- did you have the effrontery to cover the Five
> Satins' Ember 45?
No, we did an up-tempo remake of the Jimmy Charles hit.
> Recorded 'straight', or ala the Four Seasons?
I guess I'd say it's a little bit Buckinghams-like.
I think you asked me to mention the Mojo Men, too. (I could probably
talk for hours about this stuff ). That was our Milwaukee band
that came to SoCal in '65. We had a 1964 release on Tide as Tommy
Hahn & the Mojo Men, and we eventually had to change our name because
of the SF Mojo Men, although we think we had the name first. I'm
happy to supply any details of interest.
gem
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:42:28 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Since I Fell For You
Rashkovsky:
> I absolutely love Lenny Welch's record. One of my all time faves.
> Great chart and most interestingly -- he does the verse. How odd
> is that for a pop hit? Cadence was a great label. Archie Bleyer
> had exquisite taste.
Ditto Di la! Emotion is the best word for that incredible song! And
when I heard this in incredible stereo, I realized there could be
great stereo in those early stereo years! One of the best SOUNDING
songs of the early 60's and one of the best performances too! Two
mints in one!! Clark
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:21:43 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Jerry Tawney discog
As requested:
Jerry Tawney Discography
by Gary E. Myers
Liberty 55892 Funny Man/Run To The Door 6/66
Tower Devil's Angels/---- (Jerry & Portraits) 6/67
Sidewalk 928 Let's Tell The World/A Million To One (Portraits) 9/6
Sidewalk 935 Over The Rainbow/Runaround Girl (Portraits) 12/67
Dunhill SPD-12 Blue Monday/same (Rock & Roll Revival) /69
Capitol 2957 Down To The Wire/God Knows I Love You (Yellow Hand) 10/70
Bell 45144 Lady Faith/same (DJ only) 10/71
Bell 45194 Soft Spoken Girl/Dusty Roads 3/72
Bell 45242 It's Over/Sunny, Sunny 7/72
Bell 45289 Woman Child/---- 11/72
Bell 45315 Don't Take Away The Music/Junk (Posse) 1/73
Bell 45333 Turn On The Radio/Cross Country Train 3/73
Mercury 73976 Turn On The Radio/Bad Night In Dixie (Glory) 5/78
LP's:
Tower 5074 Devil's Angels (Jerry & Portraits, Various Artists) 6/67
Dunhill 50059 Great Oldies Done Hear And Now (Rock & Roll Revival) /69
Capitol 549 Yellow Hand (Yellow Hand) /70
Notes:
Most successful: Bell 45315, 45194
Unrelated Posse: Janus (Tawney was not involved in Bell 45370 or 45473)
I believe Jerry's biggest writing succes was a song on Al Wilson's "La
La Peace Song" LP - don't know the title off hand.
gem
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:01:46 +0100
From: Jon 'Mojo' Mills
Subject: Shindig March Reviews Now Up
http://www.shindig-magazine.com/reviews.html
Well how do you do? Apologies for having such a small amount of
reviews up for March (and late too!) ... we'll make up for it this
month with lots of cool new (and not-so-new) releases given the
once over... so watch your inbox for notification.
Reviewed this month:-
THE JACKIE FOUNTAINS
SIMON TURNER
V/A Grains of Time
V/A Hallucinations: Psychedelic Pop Nuggets From The WEA Vaults
V/A Just For Kicks
V/A Teen Blast USA: #1 & #2
THE A-SIDES
THE EMBROOKS
THE GENTLEKIN
THE HYPNOMEN
JANUARY
THE MAHARAJAS
.. and more
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:52:47 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Various
Martin's summary of the S'pop party in London has left me envious
that I didn't break open the piggy bank and come on over. If it was
even half as good as his writing and write-up, it would have to
have been fantastic. Next time....
And Martin, the only connection I know of between Sidewalk and Uptown
is that both were distributed by Capitol Records.
Simon White:
> Thanks to those who replied on my Flip Cartridge/Gary Le Mel
> postings. I had no idea that Flip was part of Flip and Skip, but
> then I have no real idea who Flip & Skip where anyway. I suspect
> they are outside my immediate area of interest!
Skip & Flip (Gary "Flip" Paxton and Clyde "Skip" Battin) had a huge
record with "It Was I" - sort of Jan & Deanish duet, very creative,
very LA-sounding and sunshiny. Their other big hit (both went to #11
on the US charts) was their cover of Marvin & Johnny's "Cherry Pie."
Paxton is probably best known for his version (with the Hollywood
Argyles) of "Alley Oop" and his work with numerous 60's groups; Battin
is most famous for being one of the first replacement members of The
Byrds. A brief but thorough bio can be found at http://tinyurl.com/2ww4r
So are they in your area of interest? Your call.
> Having said that, did people ever buy by label?
Depends - not that I ever ran out to see what the latest Vee Jay
release was, but certain labels had reputations which encouraged either
taking a chance or shunning them. This was particularly true when
browsing through bargain bins. Grab anything on Sun, Philles, Jamie
(for quite a while), VeeJay (usually), Elektra albums in their first
few years of rock, and several others; certain other labels were
probably not going to be satisfying. Anyway, that's how I did it....
Previously [actually, me]:
> Googling Browning Bryant, I have learned he was born in Pickens, SC,
> was a child movie star, and is still recording to some degree.
Rashkovsky:
> Does he still live in Pickens? That's not far from me. I could look
> him up and get him to autograph my copy of One Time In A Million--and
> maybe he would want me to autograph his copy since (not to make a lot
> out of it) I happened to write it with with the invaluable assistance
> of Ms. Ellie Greenwich.
You may be able to find out in the discussion group devoted to him. He
also participates in it and seems to post fairly frequently.
Phil Hall;
> Thanks so much to Ray, Tony & Austin for their Reparata & The Delrons
> updates. They are one of my top five or ten favorite girl groups,
> and they have to have the greatest girl-group name of all time (Hey,
> that could be a contest!). Hopefully someone can persuade them to
> join us in this nostalgic madness.
Seconded thanks from here, too. I recently pulled out my Reparata & The
Delrons Greatest Hits CD (apparently one of several) and was struck by
how widely varied and highly musical their ouevre is. And it'd be great
if one or more of them would join S'pop, although I tend to think of
this group as people with a current interest in music history and an
ongoing enthusiasm for the style, rather than a nostalgia trip. Not a
put-down - just my opinion.
Country Paul
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:25:59 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: The Ronettes & Chubby Checker @ Cameo-Parkway
Me:
> ...test pressing of Disc Four from ABKCO's forthcoming Cameo-
> Parkway box set...Every one of the 25 tracks is previously
> unissued...current favourites are: The Ronettes "(Whoa, Whoa)
> I Love Him So" and "Hot Spot". Chubby wrote these two songs...
I forgot to add APRIL FOOL! I received no such CD. Sorry. HA!
According to some of the folk who responded off list, I am ...
"you bugger", "a demon", "a total shit", "a complete and utter
bastard" and worse. Their point being?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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