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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Al Kooper - Badfinger
From: Craig Davison
2. Herb Wiener
From: Gary Myers
3. Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles
From: Frank Lipsius
4. Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles
From: Austin Powell
5. Re: The Paul Simon Songbook
From: David Coyle
6. Re: The Portraits
From: Gary Myers
7. Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles / The Carefrees
From: Fred Clemens
8. Re: Timi Yuro "Hurt"
From: David Coyle
9. Joe Saraceno
From: Mac Joseph
10. Re: Cameo-Parkway / Daylight Saving time!
From: Clark Besch
11. Bad Habits on Paula
From: Freeman Carmack
12. Re: Paul Atkinson of the Zombies R.I.P.
From: pgoped
13. More on Flip
From: Simon White
14. Re: UK Oriole
From: Mikey
15. Van McCoy demo @ musica
From: Mick Patrick
16. Re: Joe Saraceno
From: D.J. Holvay
17. Bernie Schwartz's "Follow Me" on musica
From: Country Paul
18. Re: John Paul & George's Ringo
From: Mike McKay
19. Re: Truckin' to "Here Comes The Judge"
From: Dave Heasman
20. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
From: Martin Roberts
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:58:34 -0000
From: Craig Davison
Subject: Al Kooper - Badfinger
Just thought I'd be really brazen and see if Al Kooper would care to
share any Badfinger anecdotes with the board. I was watching a
documentary about the band and had forgetten that they worked on an
(unreleased?) album together and had (unfortunately) shared
a "manager." Such a great band and such a sad, sad story...
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 23:18:38 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Herb Wiener
In my search for Joe London (Liberty, 1959), I've learned (thanks
to Andrew's tip about the writers of a Kenny Chandler song) that
songwriter Karriet Kane is actually Herb Weiner. This info comes
from Chandler, who even met Joe London back then, and even did a
later version of the same song that London charted! Does anyone
have any leads on Herb Weiner? Chandler says he would be 73 now.
I'll be trying the publishing company that owns "It's My Party",
for which Wiener is listed as a co-writer, but if anyone in here
knows a more direct route, that would be great.
Gary Myers / MusicGem
http://home.earthlink.net/~gem777/
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:29:59 -0500
From: Frank Lipsius
Subject: Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles
Bob Finiz cut a record with "The Beatlettes" called "Dance Beatle
Dance" that came out on Jamie 1270 in January 1964, followed in
June 65 by the Philly-Liverpool beat of Pepe Lettanzi's "Morning
on the Mersey" on Jamie 1300.
Frank Lipsius
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:29:39 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles
Me:
> There was British actress Dora Bryan's "All I Want For Christmas
> Is A Beatle" (It made #20 in 1963 on UK Fontana) and there's Cindy
> Rella's "Bring Me A Beatle For Christmas" on U.S. Drum Boy.
Paul:
> Do you have either one of these songs?
Cindy Rella I have for sure...Dora might be gathering dust in the
garage, but pleeez don't tell anyone I've got them. Street cred is
SO hard to keep !
Austin
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:02:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: The Paul Simon Songbook
What I meant by saying that I'd never heard anything
about the reissue of "The Paul Simon Songbook," is
that I was unaware that it was to be reissued when it
was. I went trolling for new releases that Tuesday and
there it was.
I don't remember reading anything about its imminent
release, nothing in the press, no mention on any of
the internet mailing lists, etc. It was just a
complete and total shock to me, so much that I was
afraid it was going to disappear into thin air as I
went to the checkout line, being a figment of my
imagination.
Did Paul Simon just decide out of the blue to let this
album be reissued?
David
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:38:07 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: The Portraits
>From Martin Roberts, re Dr. Goldfoot & the Girl Bombs:
> At the risk of sounding boring...I've got this LP ...
Amazing!
> "Hidin' From Myself" is a good piece of harmony pop written Hemric
> & Styner ... I wonder if H & S were on the session?
We did the session as a vocal group only, over an existing track. I'm
pretty sure the guitar work was by Tommy Tedesco. Clancy, our mgr,
produced our session, but Styner might have there - I don't recall for
sure. None of us were at the session for the track.
> Small photo on the rear of the sleeve ...
L to R: Phil Anthony (still plays part time and tunes pianos here in
SoCal), me, Paul Stefan (moved to Yuma area circa early 90's, haven't
had any contact since then), John Rondell (back in Wisc since about
'69, teaches gtr), Pat Short (dec about 1999 - back in Milwaukee).
The reason we're holding a picture frame is because it would go with
the name Portraits. We actually never used the name Paul & the Pack
anywhere but on that record.
Long story about the name: We came out to SoCal as the Mojo Men in
late summer '65, a couple months later the SF Mojo Men charted with
"Dance With Me", which, according to info we received, got airplay in
Milwaukee because DJ's we knew there thought it was us. But, by the
time we did this record, we knew we had to change our name. Paul
Stefan, who had already been out here from Milwaukee for a while,
joined our band when previous lead singer Doug Masters (Weiss) left
(Doug was doing Bobby Hatfield in a Vegas Righteous Bros tribute act
a few yrs ago). Paul wanted the group name to be "Paul & ...
something", so we wanted a word that began with "p". We had a meeting
in Mike Curb's office and came up with Paul & the Pack. I didn't like
that, but that's the way the vote went. I got home and looked at the
new Billboard (which I subscribed to) to see that Terry Knight & the
Pack were on the charts with "I Who Have Nothing". I thought, "This is
no good, we need another name." I looked through the dictionary under
"p" and, that night (around 3AM after our usual gig), I came up with
Portraits. I called Curb the next day, but he had already ordered the
record labels. We took the photos, probably that same week.
Jerry Tawney joined us a few months after Paul got drafted, around fall
of '67. Paul, who had a beautiful voice, had a few previous releases,
two of which were local hits, on Milwaukee labels, but he never had
another one after the Paul & the Pack thing.
More trivia: IIRC, that's Harley Hatcher in the Candles photo. Of
probable greater interest - I'm pretty sure the girl in the photo is
Barbara Pittman. This is something I learned in the 80's from a story
on her in Goldmine or Discoveries.
Thanks again, Martin.
gem
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:29:14 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles / The Carefrees
Louis wrote:
> Do you know of any girl group songs about the Beatles?
Bob Beason:
> Let's not forget The Vernons Girls' "We Love The Beatles." IIRC,
> someone even posted that song's lyrics here during a previous
> discussion of Beatlemania exploitation records a year or two ago.
> A real classic of the genre.
The Carefrees were brought up earlier as a girl group. Actually,
that's only half correct. The Carefrees were three girls and three
guys. (If you play the flip side of the Carefrees "We Love You
Beatles", which was called "Hot Blooded Lover", you'll hear the guys
voices more dominant.)
Two Carefrees girls were formerly with The Vernons Girls about a year
before. Lyn Cornell had left The Vernons Girls and gone solo before
joining the Carefrees. Betty Prescott left The Vernons Girls and was
a member of the Breakaways before before joining the Carefrees.
Barbara Kay started singing three years prior to joining the Carefrees.
The three guys were all previously associated with one another in a
vocal instrumental quartet, the Don Riddell Four. They were Don Riddell,
Johnny Evans, and John Stevens.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: Timi Yuro "Hurt"
Funny enough, the first time I ever heard "Hurt" by
Timi Yuro, it was a cover by Ian and The Zodiacs from
the "This Is Merseybeat" LP. Was surprised later how
much the singer for the Liverpool group (Wellington
Wade, I think) was able to mimic Timi's tremulous
voice.
David
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 06:28:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mac Joseph
Subject: Joe Saraceno
Ok,
I have another name from my vault of memories. Can anyone out there
in Spectropop land tell me whatever became of Joe Saraceno, the
great arranger and genius behind all those great 60's instrumental
groups like the Marketts and the T-Bones (the future Hamilton, Joe
Frank &Reynolds)?
I always thought that whoever played the lead guitar in "No Matter
What Shape,(your stomach's in) was great. That is one of the crispest,
cleanest guitars I have ever heard. And whoever Joe had doing the
female background vocals, they genuinely complimented the rest of the
arrangement. any help would be appreciated.
Thanks much in advance!
Mac Joesph
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:54:47 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Cameo-Parkway / Daylight Saving time!
Mick Patrick:
> I forgot to add APRIL FOOL! I received no such CD. Sorry. HA!
Phil M:
> You had me going -- I watched some ChubCheck vidclips last night,
> with new respect despite not having actually heard his "great"
> auteurpieces. And now I'd like to!
Mick, I cannot tell you how exciting it was to hear that someone
with "business ties" had finally gotten concrete (plastic?) evidence
of the Abkco releases! I began spreading "Rumors" faster than Johnny
Crawford's "Nose Could Grow"! (Huh?). I knew it was April Fool's
Day, but didn't realize you blokes in the mother country celebrated
it too!! It was a good trick, but it was a sad come down for me.
On the bright side (and I do mean bright!), I celebrated my 48th
birthday yesterday with the coming of "Daylight Savings Time"! Mick,
you don't have that over there do you?? Seemed like I missed half
the morning when I realized what time I REALLY got up! Brings me to
the point. With "Happy Together" getting so many airplays, think of
all the airplays certain songs get for ONE day out of the year
because of topics they are about. When i had my radio show, I played
Keith's "Daylight Savings Time" (ya gotta give me more time to have
fun with my baby) every year this particular week. If it woulda gone
top 10, it would get that airplay all over the country, but it's top
40 only status leaves it to only the obscure playlists of this week.
What a bummer! Keith's lost revenue and our lost listening
pleasure. "Monster Mash" is a perfect example. A hit 3 different
years, but usually only played on Halloween or novelty specials. I
love the old novelty records from Dickie Goodman to Mrs. Miller, but
radio won't touch them today (except all you SPoppers with inet
shows, thank God). Anyway, wonder how many plays Bobby Pickett has
to his credit for his (mostly) once a year graveyard smash? Clark
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:39:34 -0000
From: Freeman Carmack
Subject: Bad Habits on Paula
The other day, a friend of mine played me a killer version of "Louie
Louie", credited to Bad Habits, featuring a great, prominent,
Hammond organ groove. He said that it was Delaney and Bonnie, before
the Delaney and Bonnie and Friends period. It sure grabbed my
attention. I thought that if anyone knew anything about it, this
august group would. I checked AMG; no listing for "Louie" done by Bad
Habits. Is anyone aware of any online resources about Paula and their
catalogue, or any info about this track? I would appreciate any info.
Freeman Carmack
Worthington, OH
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 02:43:31 -0000
From: pgoped
Subject: Re: Paul Atkinson of the Zombies R.I.P.
Sj,
I agree 100 percent with you regarding Paul Atkinson's contribution
to the Zombies. Rod Argent's legendary organ riffs and Colin
Blunstone's captivating vocals notwithstanding, Paul Atkinson
provided simple but beautiful, and vital, lines to so many terrific
Zombies compositions. Two of my favorite songs highlighting guitar
work (over organ) were "Nothing's Changed," one of three Zombies songs
featured on Otto Preminger's 1965's "Bunny Lake Is Missing" soundtrack,
and the haunting "Maybe After He's Gone,: from Odessey and Oracle in
1967. You'll find some very dedicated admirers of the Zombies at their
Yahoo Web site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zombie_heaven/
As some on this board may know, Rod and Colin reunited for a tour
this winter, playing at Atlantic City Trump Marina and BB Kings in
NYC, and put on a spectacular performance. They dedicated "I Want to
Fly" to Paul, and if you've heard that song, you'll get chills down
your spine. Paul was a fine player in what is arguably the best band
of the post-Beatles British Invasion era, and he will be missed.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:16:31 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: More on Flip
Austin Roberts wrote -
> It is with great embarassment (or at least some) that I have found
> that Gary Paxton, who really was Flip of Skip and Flip, as well as
> the lead singer of the Hollywood Argyles was not Flip Cartridge.
If I can work out the technique for "playing to Musica" as I beleive
it is called, I'm going to put in Flip Cartridge's "Don't Take The
Lovers From The World" so the lovers on this list from all over the
world can hear it. You don't have to be a lover though. But if you
are, it helps. Now as I remember it, Gary Paxton talks his way through
"Alley Oop" so the comparison is difficult for me. But there's a
certain tonal quality that suggests something similar to me. But then
I can't tell a Wirtz from a Mango.
Simon
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:25:33 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: UK Oriole
> Most all of (the UK Oriole) material is too obscure to show up
> on Legacy's radar, although I have piqued Bob's interest in getting
> some of it together for Sundazed.
Al, that is a great idea.!!
PS....any luck with Steve Lawrence and the Columbia meterial??
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 01:29:34 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Van McCoy demo @ musica
Julio:
> I'm getting completely obsessed with Van McCoy. I already
> loved his perfect songs, but now I'm fascinated with his
> voice. His demos (if they exist) must be heaven.
I'm sure they must exist, but I have only ever come across
one Van McCoy demo. As promised, I have posted it to musica.
It's his version of "Baby I'm Yours", as immortalised by the
lovely Barbara Lewis. All of the backing vocals are by Van too.
Rarely, if ever, has our man sounded so ... vandrogynous. For
that reason, I think you will be transported directly to
heaven: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:52:13 -0700
From: D.J. Holvay
Subject: Re: Joe Saraceno
Mac Joseph wrote:
> I have another name from my vault of memories. Can anyone out there
> in Spectropop land tell me whatever became of Joe Saraceno, the
> great arranger and genius behind all those great '60s instrumental
> groups like the Marketts and the T-Bones (the future Hamilton, Joe
> Frank & Reynolds)?
Mac: I'm pretty sure that Bones Howe was the engineer on those records (The
Marketts, T-Bones & The Routers). He told me that studio musicians played
on all of those records (i.e. "The Wrecking Crew" -- Hal Blaine/drums, Tommy
Tedesco/guitar, Ray Pohlman/bass, etc.).
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:04:33 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Bernie Schwartz's "Follow Me" on musica
Bernie Schwartz – Follow Me (wr. Kenny Edwards; pr. Bernie Schwartz),
from LP: The Wheel (CoBurt CO-1001, 1969-70)
Following our recent discussion about Bernie Schwartz, I'm able to post
this track to musica (with a litrle help from my friend). The following two
paragraphs are from Fuzz Acid & Flowers ( http://tinyurl.com/35432 )
"When Schwartz got his draft notice, he filed as a conscientious objector
and was required to work at Goodwill. Sharon Sheeley called him up to
tell him she had a new writing deal with CoBurt (Pierre Cosette and Burt
Sugarman). Schwartz did three demos for them which ended up on his
only album, The Wheel, which featured Euphoria's Wesley Watt and Bill
Lincoln, in addition to Comfortable Chair member Gene Garfin. Produced
by Schwartz and Euphoric Productions, the album contains ten tracks,
including a cover of Euphoria's Sunshine Woman which ends with one
minute of fuzz and feedback guitars! The album also features good covers
of Neil Young's Round And Round, Randy Newman's Think It's Gonna
Rain Today, Fred Neil's Candy Man (with "frantic" guitar parts), former
Stone Poneys' Kenny Edwards 'Follow Me' and Gene Garfin's 'Lost My
Wings.' A really interesting album, especially if you like Euphoria.
"Another Schwartz song was chosen for the soundtrack of 'The Magic
Garden Of Stanley Sweetheart' (MGM 1ST-20ST, 1970) which starred a
young and unknown Don Johnson."
Kenny Edwards was in the Stone Poneys with Linda Ronstadt. In my
opinion, the song is quite well-written, with clever lyrics. The album also
contains the quite pretty song "Peace on Earth," from "The Magic Garden
of Stanley Sweetheart," a really bad flick starring Don Johnson in (I believe)
his first starring role as the title character.
I have a beautiful track by the Comfortable Chair, which I can post when
you get tired of this one.
Country Paul
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:51:49 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: John Paul & George's Ringo
Phil Milstein wrote:
> Along similar lines, but even more specifically, I'm looking for
> songs about Ringo. Not Lorne Greene's Ringo, mind you, but John
> Paul & George's. Were there enough of 'em to comprise even a mid-
> length compilation?
Ella Fitzgerald, of all people, had a B-side entitled "Ringo Beat," which I
have somewhere. If no one else can come up with it for you, let me know,
Phil, and I'll commence an archeological expidition through my 45s and
do my best to unearth it.
Mike
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:55:24 +0100
From: Dave Heasman
Subject: Re: Truckin' to "Here Comes The Judge"
Phil Milstein wrote:
> Markham very clearly and convincingly claims the Judge routine
> as of his own invention, born at the Alhambra Theatre in New York in
> 1928. He adds to that the story of how, in 1935, he also invented the
> Truckin' dance, an immensely popular dance (based, if I'm not mistaken,
> on the old Cakewalk, of turn-of-the-century fame) that didn't fully
> break across to a white audience until R. Crumb's Keep On Truckin'
> poster of the late 1960s (and, of course, only in remnant form even
> then).
Duke Ellington. with Ivie Anderson vocal, did "Everybody's Truckin' " in
1935.
In, I think, 1962, Frank Sinatra reached one of a number of career-nadirs
with "Everybody's Twistin'". Same song.
Not-the-same-song -- Shorty Long's "Here Comes The Judge".
I too have always maintained that Pigmeat's was the first rap record. Not
just the funky drum breaks and spot-on delivery, but also the subject matter.
Very few 60-year-old black artists were making anti-war records in 1968.
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:55:33 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
Phil Milstein has stepped up to the oche this week with the ROTW
on Jack's Home page. He reviews Don Christy's "As Long As You Love
Me" (Name 3). Phil describes the singer's style as "surprisingly
intimate, ...warm and convincing." It may raise a few eyebrows to
learn the vocalist is actually Sonny Bono. The record isn't found
on the discography, all entries on which are confirmed by a
reputable source - "possible maybes" aren't listed. Jack and Sonny
are no longer with us and, at least for the present, H.B. Barnum
isn’t talking! I'd guess Jack *was* involved but for now, at least,
just enjoy the music:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
Part ten, sadly the final instalment, of Jack's radio interview
from '82 can be heard On The Radio. He discusses the recording and
release of St. Giles Cripplegate and his plans for the future:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm
Martin
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