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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Various
From: Clark Besch
2. Re: Bob Feldman on the line . . . FGG Stuff
From: Mike Miller
3. Re: Bob Feldman on the line . . . / Patty Lace & the Petticoats
From: Mick Patrick
4. Various
From: Country Paul
5. Re: Sinatra's bottom
From: Gary Myers
6. Re: Beatle Mania LP
From: Mike McKay
7. Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles
From: Clay S.
8. Re: "Happy Together"
From: Karen Andrew
9. Re: Washington Post article on Applebee's "situation"
From: Phil X. Milstein
10. Frank's bottom
From: Simon White
11. Re: Bob Feldman on the line / Magpie Stump to Musica
From: Clark Besch
12. Jackie DeShannon's "Too Far Out"
From: thirteen_eagle
13. Bobby Zimmerman, Victoria's Secret model?
From: C. Ponti
14. Bobby Zimmerman, Victoria's Secret model?
From: Karen Andrew
15. Re: The Washington Post, "Happy Together"
From: Chris Schneider
16. Beatles novelties - need a trade
From: Andres
17. Re: Sinatra's bottom
From: Jeff Lemlich
18. Color My World / Happy Together
From: Clark Besch
19. Re: Paula's Bad Habits
From: Various
20. Ringo records
From: Eddy
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:06:36 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Various
Hi, was digging in th vinyl again last night. I realized our Artie
Wayne and Alan Gordon both had ties to Sha Na Na in 1974/5! I think
one or both of these records may have been mentioned here or there
before. In 74, Sha Na Na released Alan Gordon's song "Maybe I'm Old
Fashioned" (KA 592) with a unique title picture sleeve. It's cool
because it has the classic "Sha Na Na" logo, but it shows an actual
full size vinyl record as it might have looked a decade earlier with
plain black & white label and block printing. It even has the
original Kama Sutra logo vs. the 70's label on the record inside.
After that, in 1975, they released "Shanghied" (KA 604) co-written by
Artie Wayne. It's a small Sha Na Na world, after all! Funny that in
75, they were still putting "Dual 45" on their labels. How many
still had mono players in 75? Of course, much to my dismay, Artie
Wayne's classic composition "Flashback" by the Fifth Dimension from
late 1973 was a mono only single and still is mixed in mono on their
Cds! Bummer! It was the closest the 5D ever came to their 60's
sound ever again, in my opinion.
More Ringo records. Veronica with the Moniques (somehow that group
name sounds lousy to me) did "Ringo Did It" on Centaur Records 106
and Dick Lord did "Like Ringo" on Atco 6331 in 1964. The latter had
ties to Frank Zappa in some way, if I remember correctly.
Next, am wondering if Al Kooper remembers the 45 medley of "I Can't
Quit Her/For Emily, Whenever I May Find Her" on Date 1645? Kinda odd
after they already did "I Can't Quit Her" as a 45 by itself!
On the Jackie DeShannon scene, I found the Liverpool 5 doing her "Too
Far Out" on RCA 8660. Did Jackie do a version of this? I assume so.
Next, a great 45 my buddy Doug Richard turned me on to decades ago.
The Grasshoppers' doing the TSW (two-sided winner) of covers of the
Cryan Shames/Searchers cover "Sugar & Spice" b/w the Hollies' "Very
Last Day". Both sides great renditions from 1966 on Fox 851.
Lastly, along the lines of the Arkade, "The Road Ahead" by Magpie
Stump on Dunhill 4338 from January, 1973. I'm amazed our Austin
Roberts is not listed on this 45. First, KOIL used this as a bridal
fair song, just as it had the year or two previously with "Morning of
Our Lives". Second, the song was written by "D Walsh/H Price/S
Barri/S Brown) with strings by Jimmie Haskelll! Another one of those
stereo only on DJ copies.
Well, that's it for the latest diggings. Anyone wanna hear any
of these on Musica before they disappear into the black hole again?
With this many topics, am I WLSClark or Country Paul???
Take care, Clark
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:34:22 -0400
From: Mike Miller
Subject: Re: Bob Feldman on the line . . . FGG Stuff
Tom Adams:
> ... Bob (Feldman) and I finally got the time to talk. I presented
> him with the posts by Phil X. Milstein, Tom Tabor, Mick Patrick,
> Bob Celli, Mike McKay and Clark Besch. He had a lot to say ... I
> recorded our conversations the best I could... I posted them on my
> webserver at http://www.bouldercool.com/FGG/index.htm ... Bob loves
> telling the stories begind the records and sessions, so we're gonna
> do this again. If anyone has more questions or comments ...
Tom,
The recorded voice of Bob Feldman was just great to listen to !!
So much good info from one of the greats ! Thanks for all your work.
Mike Miller, doowopdaddy
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:31:52 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Bob Feldman on the line . . . / Patty Lace & the Petticoats
Tom Adams:
> ... Bob (Feldman) and I finally got the time to talk. I presented
> him with the posts by Phil X. Milstein, Tom Tabor, Mick Patrick,
> Bob Celli, Mike McKay and Clark Besch. He had a lot to say... I
> recorded our conversations... I posted them on my webserver at
> http://www.bouldercool.com/FGG/index.htm ... Bob loves telling
> the stories begind the records and sessions, so we're gonna do
> this again. If anyone has more questions or comments, post them
> here on the board.
That, Tom, is what I call service. I now have the answer to my
question about the Pin-Ups in Bob Feldman's own voice preserved on
mp3. Thanks a million.
As the Pin-Ups track isn't available on CD, I have posted it to
musica: The Pin-Ups "Lookin' For Boys" (Stork 1, 1964). Written by
Martine, Feldman, Goldstein and Gottehrer. Arranged by Leroy Glover.
A Feldman/Goldstein/Gottehrer Production. F/G/G's revenge on the
Angels: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Next time you get chance to talk to Bob, maybe you could ask him
about Patty Lace & the Petticoats, a great group he produced in
1964. If needed, search the S'pop archives for details about some
of their records. Someone suggested to me that Patty Lace was
actually the same person as Pat Lewis. While that seems unlikely
to me (Lewis is from Detroit), there is a record that links (too
convoluted to go into here) the two Pats. Can Bob remember the
real name of Miss Lace?
Thanks in advance.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:56:39 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Various
Re: "Monkee Sugar" - does this sound as though it could be a punk or
electronica group?
Re: Buying by label - Simon White mentions that second-hand buying could
be governed by label. Exactly what I meant to say. (And should have.)
Jack & Jill's "Just As You Are" is a wonderful doo-wop ballad! I've got
it on a 45, and it's a true treat. Thanks, Mick. It's one I would have
shared (1) if I had thought of it and (2) if I had the technology to
transfer it from vinyl (without a lot of outside help).
Me, earlier, re: R&RHOF:
> Rock is still a living entity; why flash-free it and choke off its
> evolution?
This makes a lot more sense without the typo - the phrase is "flash-
freeze." Sorry if I created any impression of illiteracy on my part! :-)
Country Paul
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:12:34 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Sinatra's bottom
>From Phil Milstein:
> A stinker it is, but I submit that "Everybody's Twistin'" sounds
> like a sublime masterpiece next to "Mama Will Bark," a wretched
> novelty Frank was forced to record ...
Never heard that one, but a few months ago I heard Sinatra's version
of "Downtown" - by far the worst Sinatra record I've ever heard. He
must have hated the song, and I can't imagine why they ever released
it.
gem
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:58:47 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Beatle Mania LP
Mark Hill wrote:
> This was just in our local paper "40 Years Ago" column: March 13,
> 1964: The Buckeye Mart discount department store, 121 N. Memorial
> Drive, (Lancaster, Ohio) offered the album, "Beatle Mania" for 87
> cents. It had Beatles hits performed by The Liverpools.
I have a very strong memory of going to a local discount store in about
this same time frame and finding it positively overrun with Beatle
knockoffs such as this. I mean, there were just tons of them, each
different from the last. Of course, I knew the difference, but I always
wondered how many people were fooled and bought one or more, thinking
they were the real thing.
(Hey Mark, I have a strong memory too of going to that very store in
Lancaster in the early 70s and scoring a sealed, stereo copy of one of
my favorite albums, "The Ventures in Space," for 99 cents. I had already
worn out the mono copy I got as a present in 1964, and in all my years
of fervid cheapo bin browsing, that is the ONLY time that album ever
turned up. I treasured it until the CD reissue finally came out a few
years back.)
Mike
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:14:57 -0000
From: Clay S.
Subject: Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles
Great listing of 60+ Beatles-related singles here:
http://my.execpc.com/~brikrn/beatles.htm
Clay S.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:52:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Andrew
Subject: Re: "Happy Together"
"That" Alan Gordon wrote:
> Laura P. wanted to know who did the rewrite on the Applebees spot.
> I guess it was someone at the ad agency. Ron Dante would know. I`m
> glad you like the song Laura. Ron did a great job on the vocals but
> he always does a great job on anything he sings!
I hate most of those commercials that use an existing pop/rock song;
however, the Applebees is OK. I think it's because, as someone in the
group said, it goes with what is being advertised. Also, it is not
loud and obnoxious, such as Toyota and other vehicle commercials.
Those ads drive me nuts! But, Ron Dante - he's cool!
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:52:35 -0400
From: Phil X. Milstein
Subject: Re: Washington Post article on Applebee's "situation"
Chris Schneider wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53361-2004Apr5.html
> Mainly, though, I'm stuck by the fact that, for all of Post writer
> David Segal's veneration of the song "Happy Together," he omits any
> mention of its composer and lyricist: Alan Gordon and Gary Bonner.
> A shame, that.
You must've only read the first page of what is, in the online version,
a three-page article. Gordon and Bonner come up on page 2, and the
Turtles on page 3, and both Alan Gordon and Mark Volman offer some very
interesting reactions to the Applebee's turn of events. Worth clicking
for.
I have a question for Alan about all this, and I don't mean it to be as
sarcastic as it'll probably sound, but here goes. You've been forthright,
both here at Spectropop Central and now in the Washington Post, with your
feelings about the Applebee's situation, and I appreciate that (because
not everyone in your position would be). But I wonder if your accountant
feels the same way about it as you do.
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 23:11:45 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Frank's bottom
Dave Heasman wrote:
> In, I think, 1962, Frank Sinatra reached one of a number of career-
> nadirs with "Everybody's Twistin'". Same song.
Maybe you can solve a mystery for me, Dave ?
What is the word, or possibly just what is the noise Frank makes at the
end of the song? It could be "bark", "mark", "mop" or "mob". I can't
work it out at all.
While we're on the subject, my favorite Frank track has always been his
version of "Downtown" in which he injects another strange noise, this
time something along the lines of "Eeeughh".
It goes:
"When you're alone
and life is making you lonely
you can always go
"Eeeughh"
Downtown"
It is hilarious.
Simon
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 05:54:40 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Bob Feldman on the line / Magpie Stump to Musica
Tom, along with everyone else, I thank you for Bob Feldman's comments.
He pretty much gave the Bob Irwin story as Bob told it to me. It was
funny about Roots of SOB vol. 2. When I first bought this lp in the
70's (?), I could not believe my ears! So many cool unheard of
things! I too looked for Vol.1, so Bob was right about at least 2
people hankering for Vol 1. I gotta hand it to the McCoys for
pulling off some great stuff for a few years, despite their ages!
How long did Gary & the Hornets or the Bantams last?? Bob hda some
wild things going with the young McCoys and the "double drumming
kettle drums" Strangeloves! I'm not sure if the version on SOB of "I
Want Candy" is even available yet in any other form!! I don't think
it's the same as the long Cd version, is it?
Also, posted Magpie Stump's "The Road Ahead" to Musica. Posting 21099
tells why, I guess. Am wondering if this could be the Arkade minus
Austin Roberts or possibly Cashman, Pistilli & West?? The latter
might be a possiblity only because in 1966, ABC records had a 45 by
the Magpies with both sides written by CP&W. Doubt they would pull
Magpie out of mothballs by 73, but they had used so many names by 73,
that maybe they were starting over??? Austin, any ideas? Do you
know anything about Magpie Stump? Thanks, Clark
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:58:02 -0000
From: thirteen_eagle
Subject: Jackie DeShannon's "Too Far Out"
Clark Besch wrote:
> On the Jackie DeShannon scene, I found the Liverpool 5 doing her
> "Too Far Out" on RCA 8660. Did Jackie do a version of this?
Yes, she did; it's on one of her demo albums. I also just got the
Dora Hall LP "Dora Hall Sings Top Teen Tunes" in which the Solo Cup
Queen sings Jackie's "Franklyn Street" (or "Franklin Street" on the
45), a nice uptempo rocker with a Chuck Berry guitar riff. (How on
earth Dora Hall got hold of an otherwise unreleased Jackie DeShannon
song, I'd like to know...).
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:17:50 -0000
From: C. Ponti
Subject: Bobby Zimmerman, Victoria's Secret model?
We have finally reached the end of civilization as we know it.
I can only imagine how they paid him, amply for sure.
C. Ponti
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:48:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Andrew
Subject: Bobby Zimmerman, Victoria's Secret model?
The Victoria Secret's and Bob Dylan ad would be good if it wasn't
the usual soft porn (exploitation of women). I'm getting sick and
tired of seeing on commercial TV these days. What happened to the
good ole days when we had men cavorting in THEIR underwear (i.e.
Joe Boxer, Michael Jordan, and what's-his-name in Calvins)? I
demand equal time!
KA
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:02:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Schneider
Subject: Re: The Washington Post, "Happy Together"
Me:
> I'm struck by the fact that, for all off Post writer David Segal's
> veneration of the song "Happy Together," he omits any mention of
> its composer and lyricist, Alan Gordon and Gary Bonner. A shame, that.
It's already been pointed out to me that, in the latter portions of his
article, Segal names both men as well as interviewing Gordon.
In the words of the poet, "Mea maxima culpa."
Sometimes one is more attentive than others. Perhaps, also, it was tied
in with my continuing irritation at the habit of referring to [Performer
X]'s song, while omitting any mention of the individuals who actually
wrote it -- as in, The Turtles' "Happy Together." I guess I was a
little too eager to believe that that was what was happening in Segal's
article.
A little too eager, a little inattentive ...
Chris "I Didn't Know What Time It Was" Schneider
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 07:38:17 -0000
From: Andres
Subject: Beatles novelties - need a trade
Anything about or somehow related to the Beatles. Check it out:
http://monstr66.narod.ru/index.html Need to trade for something
from my list of wants (will be sent to you).
Regards, Andres
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:20:32 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Sinatra's bottom
Phil X. Milstein:
> ...it's still hard to believe a guy like Frank could ever have stooped
> so low.
How about "Satisfy Me One More Time", Frank's 1974 plea for sex?
"Caress me, molest me one more time.
Misuse me, abuse me, one more time.
Excite me and ignite me with your sweet torso,
Use your muscles, my corpuscles want to grow."
Reprise Records even took out a "parental guidance recommended"
advertisement in the July 20, 1974 issue of Billboard.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:04:23 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Color My World / Happy Together
Hi Just heard Pet Clark's "Color My World" used in an M&M's
commercial. Of course, the soaring original woulda been better than
the so-so now-female sound they used (you know, girl singing is half
asleep sound?), but just good to hear a great hit that I haven't
heard in quite awhile. Makes me wanna get it out and play it over &
over!!
As for the "Happy Together" article, it's very good. I think the
artist and writer would like getting the money, but where do you draw
a line with lyrics? Or say, the person singing the song as compared
to the one fans of the song remember? As above, many will think
this "person" singing "Color My World" is doing an original song,
since it's not played much nowadays. I agree that the Turtls could
be hurt by fans thinking they'd sold out "their" song, even tho they
really didn't write it. I guess the power shoulda been in Alan's
hands, but they botched that idea. So, the Turtles are suing
Applebee's? Well, they certainly know about lawsuits. Then again,
they usually lose, so........Clark
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:45:48 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: Paula's Bad Habits
Dear Members,
Find below a compendium of recent messages on the subject of
the Bad Habits/Delaney & Bonnie. Can we please now consider
this topic of discussion closed. Remember the following motto:
Rock not Pop - '60s not '70s. S'pop discourages discussions
on matters outside those boundaries.
Thank you.
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>From Eddy:
It is very unlikely that this is actually Delaney & Bonnie. With D&B's
active recording career from circa 1968 to 1972, it is highly unlikely
they would have a parallel career as Bad Habits, with releases
spanning the same era. Not to mention the fact that D&B had several
pretty successful 45's in the early 70's, so there would really be no
need to try a parallel career. D&B recorded for Stax (1968), Apple
(unreleased)/Elektra (1969) and Atco (1970-1972) to call it a day on
Columbia (1972). Although far from comprehensive, the only article I
have been able to find on D&B is a rather short feature in Goldmine
issue 179, which does not mention Bad Habits nor the Paula label. An
Osoborne price guide is indeed the only place where BH are linked to
D&B: imo a mistake based on one or two covers of D&B songs by the
Paula group.
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>From Ray:
The Bad Habits
45s:
1 Bad Wind/Images: The City (Paula 307) 1972
2 Touch The Sun/Louie, Louie (Paula 374) c197?
Recorded in Shreveport, the second single by this obscure Northern
Louisiana band (probably different from the other Bad Habits offers
a good garage psych song with keyboards on Touch The Sun (written
by Jack Russell and Ron Difulio) and a fuzzed out version of the
garage classic.
On the first 45, whilst the 'A' side is a nicely orchestrated pop
opus, the meat is to be found on the flip. It begins with heavy fuzz
before turning into the same kind of music as on the 'A' side. Quite
unexpectedly, though, a middle piece with stark and discordant
trumpets and a quirky guitar solo comes forth, hovering on the verge
of avant-garde and lifting the whole effort some rungs up on the
ladder.
Artist The Bad Habits
Label Paula 374
Song title Louie Louie
Medium 45
Promo single by a band including Delaney and Bonnie. B-side is 'Touch
The Sun. Released early 70s.
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>From Roger:
Four tracks by the Bad Habits appear on a Charly compilation LP
of "Frat Rock" bands on the Paula label (John Fred & the Playboys
and The Uniques being the best known) called "Born on the Bayou",
one of which is "I Don't Want To Discuss It" that Delaney & Bonnie
cut a short time later. This may be where someone came up with the
D&B connection. No information on the band is offerered in the liner
notes, but it is assumed they are from Louisiana.
Excellent lp however, and the Bad Habits do a fine version of the
title track and "Night Owl". Unfortunately "Louie Louie" is not on
the lp.
Westside (UK) was mining the Jewel / Paula / Ronn catalog a few
years ago, mainly soul stuff, and I was hoping they would put out a
comp of the Paula label 45s, but it never came to be.
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>From paferra:
Another Bad Habits tune, "I Don't Want To Discuss It" (b/w "If The
Whole World Stopped Loving" - PAULA 342) apparently continued to get
exposure during their touring days with Eric Clapton / Delaney &
Bonnie days as well. Clapton later put their live version of it on
his "History of Eric Clapton" anthology, one of my favorites from
them. I just love Delaney Bramlett's voice!
To add a little more to this:
Jewel, Paula, and Ronn Records labels, which apparently specialized
in R&B, jazz, and country (ex. Nat Stuckey), were founded by
Shreveport record store owner Stan Lewis (Dale Hawkins of "Suzy -Q"
fame was one of his employees at one time); the Fuel 2000 label
recently bought them up. From what I've been able to dig up from
several sites, Paula eventually became Jewel-Paula, and some other
labels sprung from that as well, such as Bobby Patterson's Soul Power.
Here's a few links with some more shreds of info on the Paula label:
http://www.purecountrymusic.com/products/artist-Nat-Stuckey.html?AID=480
http://www.offbeat.com/ob9907/backtalk.html
http://home.comcast.net/~soulexpress4/soulbiop.htm
http://www.jookjoint.net/phiper/media_montclairs.htm
http://www.satchmo.com/nolavl/links.html
Here's an interesting bit of Jewel-Paula background:
"...I-20 connects East and West and two early recording hubs:
Jackson, MS, home of Trumpet Records (which produced sides by Sonny
Boy Williamson, Big Joe Williams, Sunnyland Slim, Willie Love, the
terrific black gospel group the Southern Boys and many others), and
Shreveport, LA, home of Jewel-Paula Records (which recorded Johnny
Shines, Frank Frost, Clifton Chenier, Robert Johnson's step-son
Robert Jr. Lockwood, Willie Dixon when he was in dispute with the
Chess brothers, and, later, Ike Turner, among othe rs). In between,
lie the towns which always provided sources and stopovers for the
blues..."
http://www.louisianafolklife.org/LT/Articles_Essays/creole_art_120_blues.html
I pulled a list of folks on Paula from MusicStack's site with the
label name, and selecting only vinyl for format.
I came up with several pages of artists who've recorded on that
label, way too long to include here: www.musicstack.com
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:15:10 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Ringo records
Clark Besch:
> More Ringo records. Veronica with the Moniques (somehow that group
> name sounds lousy to me) did "Ringo Did It" on Centaur Records 106
> and Dick Lord did "Like Ringo" on Atco 6331 in 1964. The latter had
> ties to Frank Zappa in some way, if I remember correctly.
That's Brian Lord & Midnighters you're thinking of. Zappa's song The
Big Surfer was the A-side of his 1963 single on Vigah, re-issued on
Capitol.
As for the various Beatles & Ringo tribute records, I compiled a pretty
comprehensive listing, which Charles Reinhart published in his book
"You can't do that", without as much as a thank you. See Al, it's not
just in the record business people get ripped off! In any case, if
there's an interest in this, I'll see what I can do to make this
available to the group.
And yes, if anybody does have a recording of Badfinger's Name of the
Game with Al Kooper, I'd love to see it appear on Musica !
Eddy
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