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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Johnny Preston in Stereo
From: Fred Clemens
2. Finding Girls Go Zonk!
From: Doc Rock
3. Re: "I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know"
From: Dave O'Gara
4. Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro
From: Dave O'Gara
5. Newport News
From: Austin Roberts
6. Birthdays; unplayed musica; Giants of Bombora; Grease
From: Country Paul
7. Re: Allen & Bright (aka Bobby & Laurie)
From: Lyn
8. Re: Chartbusters' "She's The One"
From: superoldies
9. Re: Beach Boys stereo
From: Lloyd Davis
10. Cliff Richard "No True Lovin'"
From: Ray
11. Duophonic
From: Joe Nelson
12. Re: L.A. Weekly article about session musicians in L.A.
From: Frank Jastfelder
13. Re: Comfortable Chair @ musica
From: Paul R
14. Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro & the Crests
From: Gary Myers
15. Re: Chartbusters' "She's The One"
From: Jeff Lemlich
16. Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro
From: Mikey
17. Talk To Me
From: Billy G Spradlin
18. Re: Bernie Schwartz - "The Wheel"
From: Scott
19. Re: Comfortable Chair in the movies
From: Michael Gessner
20. Re: Comfortable Chair
From: Gary Myers
21. Kirby Stone (Four)
From: Andy
22. musica tracks and cut-offs; Chartbusters; Bernie Schwartz
From: Country Paul
23. Re: Del-Satins
From: Al Kooper
24. Shangri-Las help!
From: Lex
25. Re: Allen & Bright (aka Bobby & Laurie)
From: Clark Besch
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:09:47 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Johnny Preston in Stereo
Clark Besch wrote:
> Then, I was excited to get a stereo 45 of Johnny Preston's "Feel
> So Fine", a song which had always eluded us on stereo Lps as being
> in stereo. The 45 was rechannelled. Aargh! Why fake stereo? So
> many reasons, so many lines.....
It had been my understanding that his Stereo 45 of "Feel So Fine"
was real Stereo. I have Johnny Preston's Stereo Mercury LP that
contains "Feel So Fine", and it certainly sounds like real stereo to
me. I also have his Stereo single of "Cradle Of Love", which IS
rechanneled stereo.
When the Bear Family released Johnny's stereo tracks on CD, "Cradle
Of Love" is understandably among the missing. "Feel So Fine" was
there. However, I was a bit disappointed in that the channel mixing
was off over the original mix, ...which is why I still go for the
original vinyl. Regardless of how good or bad the original stereo mix
is presented, I want it to sound as it was originally offered when I
get it on CD. Unfortunately, those are few and far between (if at
all).
Fred Clemens
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:00:07 -0400
From: Doc Rock
Subject: Finding Girls Go Zonk!
I cannot find a copy of the "Girls Go Zonk!!" CD. Can someone
PLEASE tell me who I can buy this from?
Thanks.
Doc Rock
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:51:43 -0000
From: Dave O'Gara
Subject: Re: "I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know"
Al,
I'm glad to hear your song/child has served you so well as of late.
Recently when you wrote about the screwing you took on the Child is
Father to the Man LP, I was personally very disappointed for you.
I've heard that many, many artists through the years have
been "royally" short-changed by the record/publishing companies. Like
many of the radio people who participate in this forum, once or twice
a year, I spent a lot of time between records filling out ASCAP and
BMI logs. My assumption was always that this practice was helping
songwriters and artist to get their fair share of the airplay
royalties. In your opinion, was/is this system equitable then or now?
Does a television performance translate to more money than radio?
Anyway, I hope that remodeling money keeps flowing for you.
Dave 0'
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:18:30 -0000
From: Dave O'Gara
Subject: Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro
Al Kooper:
> Please forgive my possible ignorance, but what did the Del-
> Satins have to do with The Brooklyn Bridge?
Mikey:
> The answer is that two of the current members of The Brooklyn
> Bridge were in The Del-Satins, and that's why they do the songs
> that the Del-Satins sang on.
Adding to Mikey's comment..I saw Johnny in concert at a very small,
but intimate club in a Boston suburb about 10 years ago. At that
time, he introduced two fellows singing back up as the Del-Satins.
He didn't have a very large backing band that evening but the vocals
were all tremendous. And to add to an earlier post, Maestro did
every song you would possibly want to hear from him as either the
lead singer of the Crests or the Brooklyn Bridge. His vocal on
"You'll Never Walk Alone" was spine-tingling. He was also gracious
enough to spend a little time backstage with me to record some radio
station promos. His is an act worth catching!
Dave 0'
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:51:51 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Newport News
Can anybody give me some info on a group called Newport News?
I think they were on RCA, but not sure. Somewhere between early
to mid 70's.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:34:02 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Birthdays; unplayed musica; Giants of Bombora; Grease
Relevant birthdays today (April 120:
1931 Billy Vaughn, Glasgow, KY, producer/arranger/singer
1932 Tiny Tim [Herbert Butros Khaury], New York, NY, singer/musicologist
1940 Herbie Hancock, Chicago, IL, pianist
1944 John Kay [Joachim F. Krauledat], Tilsit, East Prussia, Germany,
leader/singer/writer (Steppenwolf)
1947 David Letterman, Indianapolis, IN, host/comedian (Late Night)
1950 David Cassidy, New York NY, singer/actor (Keith on The Partridge
Family)
Joe Nelson, for those not into internet shorthand, please define: FWIBT,
ISTR and TIA. 10q.
Clark:
> I know Mike Rashkow has posted some great Coke commercials on Musica.
> I just posted one to Musica....
Yahoogroups has been getting really squirrely lately. For the second time
this week, it has cut me off after "listening" to one (!) track. Period.
So please leave the Coke, Allen & Bright (thanks for playing that one)
and "Lundberg" up there for an extra couple of days till our "gracious
host" decides to be gracious indeed. Thanks!
Martin Roberts:
> Christopher Monte "Giants Of Bombora" (Dolton) is the new
> ROTW at http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
> It's a nice quick download.
Real good one - quite the production!
> Now, all Grease songs are pastiches of '50s pop
I personally resented "Grease" for replacing the "real 50's" by most
inauthentically ripping off the era. I realize the show and movie have
become part of the culture, but I still have trouble around the entire
concept. I'd call it less a pastiche than a cultural ripoff. But then
again, lots of folks are less culturally agitated about this than I.
Country Paul
(who remembers that it wasn't all Ozzie & Harriet)
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:40:09 -0000
From: Lyn
Subject: Re: Allen & Bright (aka Bobby & Laurie)
Clark Besch wrote:
> ...an Australian duo, Laurie Allen & Bobby Bright, called "I
> Belong With You". Don't know much about them...
Great to see Bobby & Laurie mentioned & played here! They were a
popular act in Australia at the time of "I Belong With You" which
went to #1 in Melbourne and charted at least Top 20 in the other
major cities (this was in 1965). Their other biggest hit was a
nice cover of Roger Miller's "Hitch Hiker" in '66. They were
familiar faces on Aussie TV & live venues in the late 60s. Apart
from their musicality, they had a sense of humour, and didn't mind
sending themselves up a bit.
When there's some space at musica I'll see if I can put up an
excellent psych-tinged track of theirs called "Every Second Day",
an album track that deserves a wider audience.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:38:25 -0000
From: superoldies
Subject: Re: Chartbusters' "She's The One"
Billy:
> ...the original Chartbusters recording of "Shes The One"... I have
> yet to find it on CD.
Rich:
> Just for your info Billy, it is on cd. On "Hey Look What I Found
> Vol. 6. Marvis MSCD-4506
Eagle Records of Germany put out a collection from good source tapes
(masters?), or at least worked with the group on it. Has many
unreleased tracks "She's The One" - 30 tracks, 1995. Appears to be a
legit release, sounds great - tough to find but I got my copy on
eBay. Booklet has many color photos from their personal collection.
Check GEMM or Musicstack, bet there's a copy somewhere. (EA-R 90118)
The "Look What I Found" series is good, but mostly off vinyl
obviously when there are some of the tracks that are off better
sources out there on legit comps.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:22:27 -0400
From: Lloyd Davis
Subject: Re: Beach Boys stereo
But as I interpret the liner notes, "Sunflower" was the first of
their albums to be _recorded_ in stereo, as opposed to the
conventional approach: multiple mono signals panned onto a stereo
soundstage during mixdown.
Neither Friends nor 20/20 were released in duophonic. They were
your standard-issue, "panned mono" stereo albums -- or what we tend
to call "true stereo," in that they were mastered from a two-track
master tape. One exception: "Do It Again," on 20/20, was
rechanneled from the mono single master.
The albums from "Surfin' Safari" to "Beach Boys Concert" were
released not released in duophonic, either; they were mixed for
stereo by Chuck Britz.
Beginning with The Beach Boys Today (in 1965) and ending with Wild
Honey (in 1967), Brian Wilson controlled the multitrack session
tapes, and refused to deliver anything but a mono master to Capitol.
The sessions were recorded the same way as the "true stereo" records
-- on four-, eight- and even 16-track tape -- and as we've seen with
the Pet Sounds reissue, a very good "stereo" mix can be made from
those tapes.
(Still, a few details -- like the Mike Love vocal on the bridge in
"Wouldn't It Be Nice," which was actually overdubbed onto the mono
master and doesn't exist anywhere else -- show the extent to which
Wilson was dedicated to mono.)
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:46:55 +0100
From: Ray
Subject: Cliff Richard "No True Lovin'"
Clark Besch:
> ...Cliff Richard's "True True Lovin'" was the B-side of his 1963/4
> US hit "Bachelor Boy", on Epic, and in the UK was matched with
> "Constantly", on Columbia 7272 in '64... Can anyone tell me if this
> has ever been in stereo, or is on CD in UK? I've yet to find it
> either way and that is a real shame!
Rock On With Cliff Volume 2
EMI MID 44 (Stereo) (1981)
Just Another Guy
Mad About You
Your Eyes Tell On You
Thinking Of Our Love
Boom Boom
A Forever Kind Of Love
Never Knew What Love Could Do
True True Lovin'
No Turning Back
Somebody Loses
Lies And Kisses
I'm Afraid To Go Home
Pigeon
Watch What You Do With My Baby
What Would I Do For The Love Of A Girl
ray
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:04:30 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Duophonic
Previously;
> On my early '70s (green Capitol label) vintage copy of the second
> album -- "She Loves You", "I'll Get You" and "You Can't Do That"
> are in horrible Duophonic, the rest is wide stereo. There's also
> an extra piano overdub on "Money," which makes the 2-track
> recording sound like a 3-track recording.
I'm not familiar with "Money" in stereo, but Lewissohn claims
additional work was done on the stereo version after the mono "With
The Beatles" had been mastered, taking the song into "twin two track",
with two two track tapes synchronized. (Oddly, the four track "I Want
To Hold Your Hand" single had been recorded by then and the machine
was availible at the time of the transfer.) Maybe this explains the
difference?
The biggest reason Duophonic processing is so annoying is that it
combined a straight "highs in one channel, lows in the other" fake
stereo processing with a .3 second delay in one channel. As a result,
you can't just hit the mode switch to mono, nor opt to listen to just
one channel. It can be easily reversed with computers, but I've never
used it to restore the process to mono. RCA used a similar delay on
its early "reprocessed" discs, but I believe without the EQ.
In the 90's, a retro soul duo named Charles and Eddie titled theit
Capitol debut album "Duophonic". I actually was afraid to buy the CD
for fear it might live up to its title. Soimetimes I wonder how badly
sales were affected.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:15:50 +0200
From: Frank Jastfelder
Subject: Re: L.A. Weekly article about session musicians in L.A.
Bryan:
> For those of you who live outside the greater L.A. area, I thought
> I would share our free weekly newspaper's article about session
> musicians in L.A. -- includes an interview with Carol Kaye, as well
> as other information that might be of interest:
> http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/20/features-lloyd.php
thanks for this extensive article. I´m such a huge fan of the L.A.
studio musician scene. Actually I´d like to make a TV documentary
about these marvelous people. Not an easy task if you´re living in
Germany...but I keep on trying.
Frank
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:36:20 EDT
From: Paul R
Subject: Re: Comfortable Chair @ musica
Really love this track, thanks Paul! Has anyone seen the movie
'How to Commit Marriage' which features two tracks by The Chair?
I remember seeing them in it as a child & thinking how cool they
were.
Paul R
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:05:29 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro & the Crests
Fred Clemens:
> As a sidenote, Johnny Maestro (Mastrangelo) is cousin to the
> Belmonts member, Carlo Mastrangelo.
And, to carry the related trivia even further - the Crests originally
included Patricia Van Dross, the older sister of Luther.
gem
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:07:45 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Chartbusters' "She's The One"
superoldies:
> Eagle Records of Germany put out a collection from good source
> tapes (masters?), or at least worked with the group on it. Has
> many unreleased tracks "She's The One" - 30 tracks, 1995. Appears
> to be a legit release, sounds great - tough to find but I got my
> copy on eBay. Booklet has many color photos from their personal
> collection.
This CD also includes many of the tracks they'd recorded as the
Manchesters, for the "Beatlerama Volume 2" album.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:45:49 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro
Johnny Maestro plays here in NYC like all the time!! I've
seen him around 6 times, and I'm going again in June.
Always a great show!!
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:31:06 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Talk To Me
I wrote:
> The "Look What I Found" series is good, but mostly off vinyl
> obviously when there are some of the tracks that are off better
> sources out there on legit comps.
They are selling those compilations via Amazon.
I'm looking for another rare oldie -- Sunny & The Sunliners/"Talk To
Me", which hit #11 in 1963.
A great record, but I've never been able to find it on CD. Someone at
a record store in Tyler, TX told me there are CDs available with the
song, but most are re-recordings.
Billy
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:27:10 EDT
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Bernie Schwartz - "The Wheel"
Gary Myers wrote:
> Are you considering the CoBurt LP to be his solo work? I was not,
> as I thought "The Wheel" was considered to be the name of the group,
> and that Schwartz was not on every cut.
Bernie Schwartz sent me an e-mail a couple of weeks saying he'd read and
enjoyed a review I'd written of "The Wheel". He certainly seems to have
thought it was a Bernie Schwartz solo album ...
Scott
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:26:45 -0400
From: Michael Gessner
Subject: Re: Comfortable Chair in the movies
Don't know if anyone mentioned it, but The Comfortable Chair appeared in
the movie "How To Commit Marriage", starring Bob Hope, Jackie Gleason,
Tina Louise, Tim Matheson and Leslie Nielsen. In the movie Prof. Irwin Corey
plays the Baba Ziba, a guru turning clean-cut kids into some kind of hippies
who want to go to Comfortable Chair concerts. The movie came out in 1969.
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:52:53 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Comfortable Chair
Paul Richards wrote:
> Has anyone seen the movie 'How to Commit Marriage', which features
> two tracks by The Chair?
You mean the band appears in the movie? I'll have to ask Bernie about
that.
gem
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:32:01 -0000
From: Andy
Subject: Kirby Stone (Four)
Way back in the mid-'70s i worked for Kirby Stone. Was wondering if
anybody know where to find (on CD) a couple of songs he did:
(1) Life is Groovy (U.S. Double Quartet) and (2) God Bless Archie Bunker/
Archie Bunker for President (as a solo).
I have most of the KS4 stuff, and a bunch of ('70s) live material on cassette.
Thanx in advance,
Andy
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:14:28 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: musica tracks and cut-offs; Chartbusters; Bernie Schwartz
Clark Besch:
> I posted two bits from WKBW that will be of interest to a couple of
> S'poppers. They are both custom DJ ID songs for Danny Neaverth's
> show in the mid '60s. He shared the 'KB dial with Joey Reynolds at
> that time.
... and a record: the notorious "Rats In My Room," by Joey and Danny (Swan),
one of the last Swan releases.
I really like the Freddy Cannon -- he was just a flat-out rocker with great
energy and some good toonz; there's a latter-day connection in my mind
to The Ramones. Freddy was a rock-and-roller down to his toenails --
"Tallahassee Lassie," "Buz Buz A Diddle It," "Abigail Beecher" (40 years
ahead of Fountains of Wayne's "Stacy's Mom"...).
Also, the Allen and Bright and Cliff Richard tracks are fun; the guitarist
on Allen and Bright sounds like he got his fingers tied up in the strings
at a couple of points! :-) Thanks, Clark - good listening!
BUT: sadly, these, and all other "listens" from musica today and yesterday,
have been cut off at the end. Is it something in my computer? Is Yahoogroups
doing that? Anyone with any help, please?
previously:
> Also, someone indicated that The Manchesters' version of "She's The
> One" is The Chartbusters under a different name; but relistening to the
> MP3 I have of it, it sounds like a different group.
Billy G Spradlin:
> I posted the original Chartbusters recording of "Shes The One" to musica
> (copied from an '80s Rhino "Nuggets" LP). I have yet to find it on CD.
What a rocker! Thanks, Billy.
Gary Myers, re: Bernie Schwartz & Comfortable Chair:
> Are you considering the CoBurt LP to be his solo work?
Yes, I was.
> I was not, as I thought "The Wheel" was considered to be the name of
> the group, and that Schwartz was not on every cut.
It was the album title; the label credits "Bernie Schwartz."
> And, I didn't know there was a single from "Magic Garden". Is it
> shown as by Bernie Schwartz?
Yes on all counts -- CoBurt CK-1001.
> All the releases that I considered to be his solo work were between
> '63 - '66, as Don Atello, Bernie Schwartz, and Adrian Pride
Except for Adrian Pride, I don't know the other songs. Are they worth
finding?
In closing: I've often wondered how come I like The Crests so much, but
dislike The Brooklyn Bridge as much or more?
Country Paul
(taking idiosyncrasy to new levels)
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:36:47 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Del-Satins
previously:
> Johnny Maestro, upon leaving the Crests, went solo
> briefly and eventually became a part of the Del-Satins group. The Del-
> Satins, at that time, were made up of Johnny, Les Cauchi, and Fred
> Ferrara. (They had no recordings issued during that brief period,
> though they did make public appearances.)
Are there two Del-Satins here? One mentioned above, and the Laurie
recording group ?
Al Kooper
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:21:13 -0000
From: Lex
Subject: Shangri-Las help!
Hello,
I'm trying to put together a concise Shangri-Las website, I am keen for
anything anyone may have that I can add to the site. I'm interested in pics
of best-of CDs, compilations etc., anything you may have, a good photo of
an old 45 would be cool, basically anything connected, any promo items,
merchandise etc.
The site is just a fan site, not backed by any labels or any motives, 'cept
to provide an informative website solely dedicated to the Shangri-Las. I
realize there's loads of other great groups, but for personal reasons this
is by far my fave girl group!!!
1. The Sweet Sounds
2. The Dum Dum Dum Ditty
3. Take the Time
4. You Cheated You Lied
5. Hate to Say I Told You So ( pre-Red Bird)
6. Wishing Well ( pre-Red Bird)
7. Simon Speaks ( B-side to Simon Says)
Please include song credits. Cheers, any help is welcome.
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:10:47 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Allen & Bright (aka Bobby & Laurie)
previously:
> When there's some space at musica I'll see if I can put up an
> excellent psych-tinged track of theirs called "Every Second Day",
> an album track that deserves a wider audience.
Would love to hear your Bright psych! Yes, the other single I referred
to was "Hitch Hiker", also on LTD here. Did not really care for it, but I
love the one I posted. Thanks!
Clark
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