Spectropop - Digest Number 1463

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• Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: copyright law
           From: Peter Grad 
      2. Re: Blues Magoos' flips
           From: Clark Besch 
      3. Remains / "Roses Are Red"
           From: ACJ 
      4. Re: back to mono?
           From: Phil X. Milstein 
      5. Re: The Globetrotters / Paula Wayne
           From: Howard 
      6. Re: copyright law
           From: Mikey 
      7. Paul Evans on the radio
           From: Fred Clemens 
      8. Re: Agnetha Faltskog
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
      9. Murray The K LPs
           From: Austin Powell 
     10. Re: The Globetrotters (Ron Dante & Jeff Barry)
           From: Laura Pinto 
     11. Shindig April Reviews Now Up
           From: Jon 'Mojo' Mills 
     12. Boston/Cambridge Folk & Bluegrass
           From: James Botticelli 
     13. Re: Grass Roots
           From: Austin Roberts 
     14. Re: Agnetha Faltskog
           From: Austin Roberts 
     15. My Colouring Book
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     16. Re: The Globetrotters (Ron Dante & Jeff Barry)
           From: S.J. Dibai 
     17. The Jordan Brothers
           From: S.J. Dibai 
     18. Re: 1910 Fruitgum Company
           From: paferra 
     19. Re: The Globetrotters (Ron Dante & Jeff Barry)
           From: Art Longmire 
     20. Tony and the Bandits
           From: Don Mangus 
     21. Re: Murray The K Brings You The "Hits"
           From: C. Ponti 


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:52:50 -0000
   From: Peter Grad 
Subject: Re: copyright law

C Ponti

I read with interest your comment on CD copying as stealing. I 
respect your viewpoint, and of course do not condone the wholesale 
distribution of CD copies that denies fair payment to artists.

However, the tougher issue is what to do about people who share songs 
among a friend or two. I have a record collection exceeding 3,000. 
Many of the artists were folks (from the 60's and 70's) I'd never 
have heard of if my friends did not lend me the album or make a 
cassette (or reel to reel) tape for me. I in turn made many tapes of 
obscure and/or interesting artists for friends who in turn often 
became fans and presumably down the road purchased their products.
 
The limited, small-scale sharing of music clearly can be viewed as a 
marketing device among consumers that extends the reach of music to 
an audience it might not otherwise have found. Certainly musicians - 
as well as the fans - profit from such a system.

Do you tape TV programs or watch rented DVDs with friends who did not 
pay to see them? They may enjoy what they watch and become fans of 
the artists and actors, and pay to see them in the future. DO you 
photostat newspaper articles or book or magazine excerpts? 
Technically, you're stealing from the writers if you do. But I'd like 
to think that is someone is copying an article I wrote and 
distrbuting it (in a limited manner, of course), I am potentially 
gaining new and varied readership. I would welcome such copying. 

I think we have to be careful whom we condemn; music lovers who share 
songs with friends should not be lumped into the same category as 
corporate music honchos who for so long have robbed artists of what 
is due them. Rather than threaten legal action against kids who balk 
at paying $18 for a CD and turn to the Web to find music they like, 
why not direct our energies towards corporations who are choking 
creativity, inflating commercial release prices, and depriving 
generations of rock heros (and rock unknowns) their due pay? 

Respectfully

Peter



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Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:19:40 -0000
   From: Clark Besch 
Subject: Re: Blues Magoos' flips

Mike wrote:
> "Pipe Dream" was in fact a subsequent single release for The Blues 
> Magoos. If memory serves me, which it may not, the flip of "We 
> Ain't Got Nothin' Yet" was "Gotta Get Away."

Dave O:
> You're right, Mike. Nice catch. I misread the Whitburn book entry. 
> It was "Pipe Dream" that had a flip that briefly charted, called 
> "There's A Chance We Can Make It." Another interesting title for the 
> band, don't you think?

Pretty funny about all the slim chance for success titles underlying 
the Blues Magoos' demise.  Altho "Chance we Can Make It" seldom gets 
mention, I prefer it much more than "Pipe Dream" and it got A side 
play on WLS in Chicago.  "Gotta Get Away" is great and was covered by 
Chicago's "Sounds Unlimited" and can be found on a Sundazed reissue 
EP.  Their first 45 on Mercury, "Tobacco Road", was the way many 
Chicago bands performed the song onstage (altho elongated).  So, 
basically, at least in Chicago, they had quite a profound influence 
on the groups of the time, despite the group's short popularity 
status.  Maybe Moptop Mike will chime in here???  Clark
PS. Their first 45 was on Verve about the time Al Kooper was working 
with the Blues Project.  Am wondering if Al ever had any connection 
with the Magoos when both were on Verve.  It's an odd coincidence 
that the Vereve 45 was listed "Bloos Magoos".  I was wondering if 
that is because it would be confusing if there were "Blues Magoos" 
and "Blues Project" on the same label??  Then, moving to Mercury, it 
was changed to "Blues Magoos"?  Maybe the Verve listing was just a 
mispelling??  




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Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:27:00 -0400
   From: ACJ 
Subject: Remains / "Roses Are Red"

Regarding the Remains: Long before Larry Kane came out with his book
"Ticket to Ride," Remains leader Barry Tashian wrote a book, also called
"Ticket to Ride," about the Beatles' final concert tour, on which the
Remains and the Ronettes (well, almost) were the opening acts. I think
Barry's book is one of the best ever about the Beatles and Sixties
pop/rock in general, and I hghly recommend it.

And for Paul Evans: Did you ever find out whose idea it was to flip-flop
the bridge and the last verse in Jim Reeves' version of "Roses Are Red"?

ACJ 




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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:45:01 -0400
   From: Phil X. Milstein 
Subject: Re: back to mono?

Joe Nelson wrote:
> Is it my imagination, or did Umphred miss something? From what I've
> always gathered, Brian wanted you to see his art, and that the way he
> saw it. If you could or would change anything, you weren't getting his
> vision. Mono was what it was, that mix was set in stone. In Brian's
> monaural world, stereo was just another way to hear mono.

That's always been my understanding, too, of the reasoning behind Wilson
and Spector's preference for mono. I don't necessarily agree with it --
I love the fullness and richness of a good stereo mix -- but I think the
point is a valid one, and worth keeping in mind as we listen (to both S
and M).

Umphred, on the other hand, sounds like he got his mind blown by the
"movable sounds" of the early stereo releases, which, as fun as they
are, were little more than demonstration records. "Listen: the tugboat
starts in the left speaker and moves all the way over to the right!" OK
... then what?

--Phil M.



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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:55:43 EDT
   From: Howard 
Subject: Re: The Globetrotters / Paula Wayne

Patrick Rands wrote:
> Does anyone have any records by The Globetrotters?

I have a single on RCA 2017 - 'Cheer Me Up' (written by Barry, Dante 
& Carr) c/w 'Gravey' (written by Clark, Bailey & Williams) both sides 
produced by Don Kirshner : Released in 1970 in the UK.

While I was looking for the above details I pulled out another RCA 
(Victor) single by an artist by the name of Paula Wayne called 'It's 
A Happening World' (written By Mann, Weil) the other side is a 
Geenwood, Miller & Daman composition -'Now That I Need Him' RCA 1738 
released in 1968, does anyone have any information on Paula..

regards.. Howard



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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:56:54 -0400
   From: Mikey 
Subject: Re: copyright law

Peter, what a wonderful post. You are, of course, quite right in 
your comments.

As a musician and producer myself, with 6 commercially available 
Cds bearing my drum work, I absolutely recognize the value in 
sharing my music among like minded fans. This promotes interest in 
the band and my experience has been that someone who likes the 
"copy" will pruchase new Cds in the future AND come to shows. It 
is then well worth it.

In the second place, it ISNT the kids file sharing that is the 
major source of "free music pirating", as much as the record 
companies would have you believe it. Rather, someone in Asia, or 
Indonesia, or Malta, or Europe , obtains the new Madonna Cd and 
then professionaly makes 10,000 copies at pressing facilty, pays 
in cash, so there is no record, and at that point, only has to 
recoup the manufacturing costs. Thus, they can sell these Cds to 
street vendors for 3.50$ who then sell it for 7$.  THATS where the 
record companies lose money, on those 10,000 sales that never take 
place. At a wholsale price of 7.50, thats 75,000 on one title alone.

A simple change in wholesale and retail pricing would virtually put 
the bootleggers out of business. But, the record companies see that 
as "giving away profits". Such a shortsided vision!!! no wonder 
they are in trouble. 



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Message: 7
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:03:32 -0000
   From: Fred Clemens 
Subject: Paul Evans on the radio

Clark Besch wrote:
> Paul, I can vouch for you on radio.  I first heard you on the Bill 
> Miller Show a year or so ago on KMA in Iowa while driving home to 
> Nebraska.  It was great hearing all your recollections.  I got home 
> and checked out your website and emailed you and you emailed back!  
> Cool!  Maybe you should be doing a doo wop show on WCBS in NYC, sine 
> they dropped doo wop in the town most known to embrace the music.  

Paul had been on Don K. Reed's Doo Wop Shop at least 2 times that I 
know of. Paul's a natural on the air.

A while before his "Shop" appearance, in 1998, Bob Shannon had 
managed to get Paul on the phone when he was doing a Countdown show 
on one Saturday (one of his records was in the Countdown). Bob was 
amazed at Paul's spontanaity and witty remarks, and would have loved 
to do a full hour with him had he been allowed to. But the powers-
that-were were restricting Bob's on-air interviews, allowing them 
only on Don K. Reed's Sunday night show.

I had done a phone interview with Paul on Super Bowl Sunday, 1999 
(the game wasn't going well). That was alot of fun!

For those who are unaware, Paul did co-write a couple of Doo Wop 
classics with Jimmy(?) Krondes: "Valerie" by the Mello Kings on 
Herald; and "School Bells" by Nicky and the Nobles on Gone, the 
latter withh the additional help of "Jacobson" (was that Sid?).

Fred Clemens



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Message: 8
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:24:12 EDT
   From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
Subject: Re: Agnetha Faltskog

Peter! Thanks for posting the info regarding her new CD. I've always 
loved this woman's voice... starting way back with ABBA. I will be 
sure to add this to my collection. To me, the 1970s were ABBA... 
they saved me from the soft-rock blues. Well, okay, so did Karen 
Carpenter for that matter  ; )

Tusen takk for ditt brev,
Jimmy



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Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:43:16 +0100
   From: Austin Powell 
Subject: Murray The K LPs

Peter:

Scepter also released "Murray the K, the Fifth Beatle Gives You Their 
Favourite Golden Gassers", complete with an autographed pic of the 
fab four with Murray on the back - 14 tracks including Dionne warwick, 
Drifters, Shirelles, Chuck Jackson, Chiffons, Kingsmen, Dale & Grace 
and Jan Bradley........and whilst there's been talk of Bobby Vinton of 
late, I have a Gary Stevens WMCA Good Guy LP called "22 Good Guy 
Goldies" which had a cartoon of GS being thrown out of the studio by 
"The Wooley Burger" and brief sleeve notes by Bobby Vinton - "Roses Are 
Red" is not on the LP, but Curtis Lee, The Shangri-Las, Dovells, Dion, 
Tymes, Del Shannon, Reflections, Little Ceasar, Orlons and Ad-Libs are 
among the 22 tracks....The inner sleeve showed "dee-jays LPs" from Jerry 
Stevens, Terry Lee, Jerry Blavat, Georgie Woods, Joe Niagara and Bill 
Wright Snr....They were all on a label out of Philly called Lost-Nite.

Austin



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Message: 10
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:49:13 -0000
   From: Laura Pinto 
Subject: Re: The Globetrotters (Ron Dante & Jeff Barry)

Patrick Rands wrote:
> Does anyone have any records by The Globetrotters?
> 
> Is it true Ron Dante & Jeff Barry worked on this, I guess it was a
> late 60s tv show? Any one have any idea how much came out under this
> name and if it'll ever get reissued on cd?
> 
> If anyone has a track by The Globetrotters handy, is it possible to
> post a track in musica?

Hi Patrick,

I have the whole album - I'll list the tracks and songwriters here, 
and when I can I'll get one of them into musica.  Ron Dante co-wrote 
one of the tracks, "Cheer Me Up."  Neil Sedaka and Howard Greenfield 
wrote several tracks including my favorite, "Rainy Day Bells."

Laura



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Message: 11
   Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 18:43:33 +0100
   From: Jon 'Mojo' Mills 
Subject: Shindig April Reviews Now Up

It's nearly May... so here're the reviews for April... and there'll 
more to come in the next four weeks.... which leads to me think, 
where else on the web can you find FREE quality reviews of all the 
latest garage, psych, mod, late '60s-'70s rock, power pop and new 
band-er-ama anyway else on the planet????? No where! Shindig! it's 
where it's at!

A few things covered this month:

RICHARD BERRY
SIMON DUPREE & THE BIG SOUND
THE HUSTLERS
NINO & APRIL
THE PANDORAS
THE RATS
BERGEN WHITE
SKY ‘SUNLIGHT’ SAXON AND THE SEEDS 
VARIOUS U-Spaces: Lost Sixties Delights Vol. 1
VARIOUS ARTISTS Come To The Sunshine: Soft Pop Nuggets From WEA 
VARIOUS Conquer The World! Rare Global Mod-Beat-Garage Punk 1965-1968 
VARIOUS ARTISTS Garage Beat ’66: Vols. 1-3
VARIOUS Glitterbest: 20 Pre Punk Glam Terrace Stompers 
VARIOUS Northwest Battle Of The Bands: Vol. 4
VARIOUS ARTISTS Thee Cave Comes Alive: Lost ‘What Wave’ Fanzine Tapes  



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Message: 12
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:18:23 -0400
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Boston/Cambridge Folk & Bluegrass

> And another sixties Boston group, Earth Opera, was led by Peter Rowan
> and David Grisman, now two of the true giants in the bluegrass field.
> 
> Who'da thunk Boston of all places would produce country and bluegrass
> stars??

Boston/Cambridge actually had a fairly thriving Folk/Bluegrass scene 
during the Great Folk Music Scare of the 60's...Club 47, Joe Val & The 
New England Bluegrass Boys, Geoff & Maria Muldaur, The Unicorn (club), 
Tom Rush, the legendary radio program, still on the air today, called
"Hillbilly At Harvard"...The tone was au naturel in pre-chain store 
legitimately funky Harvard Square in the sixties ...Bluegrass fit in 
nicely.



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Message: 13
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:57:56 EDT
   From: Austin Roberts 
Subject: Re: Grass Roots

Fred,

Thanks for the info on Let's Live For Today by the Roots. I never knew 
that.

Austin Roberts



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Message: 14
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:02:39 EDT
   From: Austin Roberts 
Subject: Re: Agnetha Faltskog

Peter Lerner:
> Here's one Spectropopper who is happy to give a five star (that's 
> *****) review to Agnetha's brand new CD, "My colouring book". 

Peter,

As a very lucky writer who had an Agnetha single (produced by Peter 
Cetera) several years ago, she sells a lot of records in countries 
other than America. Also sings her butt off.

Austin Roberts



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Message: 15
   Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:08:55 +0100
   From: Ken Silverwood 
Subject: My Colouring Book

Peter Lerner:
> The title track is best known to me from a cover on a Brenda Lee 
> album, and I can't just now remember who performed the original 
> (Nana Mouskouri?),

Peter, the only version I heard way back when was by Sandy Stewart, 
probably Pye Intl. in the UK (Colpix US). Then I heard a superior 
version by Dusty Springfield on (I'm guessing) "A Girl Called Dusty", 
the one where she wears a denim top. I'm now gonna keep a look out 
for Brenda Lee's. Do we know if the writer/s were female?

Ken On The West Coast



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Message: 16
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:22:55 -0000
   From: S.J. Dibai 
Subject: Re: The Globetrotters (Ron Dante & Jeff Barry)

Oh, my God! I used to hear "Rainy Day Bells" all the time on the 
local doo-wop shows. I had no idea about the background of this 
group, if the story you quoted is indeed true. I just knew it was 
from 1970, even though it sounded like a '50s or early '60s doo-wop 
record.

Well, Patrick, if you can find a copy of "Rainy Day Bells," snap it 
up; it's a doo-wop gem.

S.J. Dibai



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Message: 17
   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:36:05 -0000
   From: S.J. Dibai 
Subject: The Jordan Brothers

Ed B wrote:
> I recall hearing Spencer Davis on radio with Gimme Some Lovin' 
> and thinking why were they doing a cover of The Jordan Brothers, 
> which was top 10 in Boston early 67.

This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask: who ARE the 
Jordan Brothers? Bob Hyde mentions them in the liner notes of the 
(here it comes again) KIT KATS compilation, but he just says they 
were from Pennsylvania, they were labelmates of the Kats at one 
point (so they recorded for Jamie/Guyden???), and they successfully 
transitioned through the rock styles of the late '50s through 
late '60s. I also see them listed on a Cameo-Parkway discography, 
but I can't seem to find any other info about them on the 'net.

Furthermore, is this act that covered "Gimme Some Lovin'" the same
"Jordan Brothers" I'm talking about? 

And finally--how easy is it to find their recordings? (I think the 
answer to that question is, "It's not," but what do I know....)

Thanks,
S.J. Dibai



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Message: 18
   Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:49:54 -0000
   From: paferra 
Subject: Re: 1910 Fruitgum Company

Bob Rashkow wrote:
> Coconut Teaszer's tongue is planted firmly in cheek, but what 
> bothers ME is that we all know that "Yummy Yummy Yummy" was on 
> the charts in the late spring of 1968, not "the early 7Ts"!!!  
> I suspect a bad case of time warp here.  

Jeepers Bobster, you're more living proof of the everlasting power of 
bubblegum. What were you - all of ten when "Yummy" came out? You get 
a gold star :)

If you'd like to bring back the flavor (so as to get them nasty old
'7T's' out of your mouth) to what you've been chewing all these years, 
just listen to this: http://www.marstalent.com/bio_ohio_express.htm

Some things REALLY never change :) 

paferra



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Message: 19
   Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:26:22 -0000
   From: Art Longmire 
Subject: Re: The Globetrotters (Ron Dante & Jeff Barry)

Hello Patrick,

I used to watch the Globetrotters show back in 1970-1971, and 
purchased the album back then-unfortunately I no longer have it. I 
think it was about the second album I ever bought. My brothers and I 
loved both the show and the album, in particular the track "Gravy" 
which we thought was as good as any of the funk tunes that were out 
at the time. Anybody know who sang lead on that track? I didn't 
realize that Meadowlark Lemon was the only Globetrotter to appear on 
the LP.

Good luck getting a copy of this...I wonder how much it goes for on
E-Bay these days?

I've also heard "Rainy Day Bells", which is excellent-I believe it is 
a later recording done around 1972.

Art Longmire



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Message: 20
   Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:48:48 -0000
   From: Don Mangus 
Subject: Tony and the Bandits

Looking for any other info out there about a group I was associated 
with in the mid 60's called Tony and The Bandits. I was their 
promotions and advertising manager at that time period in Bond Hill, 
Cincy Area. I have had contact in the past with a Ron Sauer from 
Northern Kentucky and I am looking for any ifo/ photos or recordings 
done by this Cincinati Based Group. Thank you! Don Mangus Mild 2 
Wild Entertainment dmild2wild@yahoo.com



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Message: 21
   Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:43:17 -0000
   From: C. Ponti 
Subject: Re: Murray The K Brings You The "Hits"

Peter,

I hate to make this any more of a mystery, but the album I saw on
the street had different titles. Also only a few titles were actual
charting hits by the original artists. It was the kind of album you'd
buy thinking you were getting the original hits only to find they were
by a lesser known act. I am still fairly sure the Del Satins were on
it. I bet it was one of those cut-out type releases you only saw at
one chain of record stores. This would all be alot easier if I'd
pulled it off the wet, dirty street, but it was filthy. It was obvious
the vinyl was compromised by water and warping.....

C Ponti




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