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There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: posthumous overdubs
From: Ed Salamon
2. Re: need song help!
From: Dave Heasman
3. Re: Bob Lind prequel
From: Mike McKay
4. Re: Projections location
From: David Coyle
5. Deep Stardust
From: David Coyle
6. "Hippies" thanks/South Street
From: S.J. Dibai
7. Re: Paris Sisters' "Be My Boy"
From: Mike McKay
8. Re: Linde, Antell, Percells: well done, lads!
From: Martin Roberts
9. Re: L.A. session musicians
From: Charles Ulrich
10. Re: Murray the K LP on Chess
From: Ed Salamon
11. part of the 16
From: Phil X Milstein
12. Re: need song help!
From: Alan V Karr
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:56:51 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: posthumous overdubs
previously:
> Another overdubbing "project" I cant stand is on the Vogues
> Reprise "Greatest Hits" LP where they overdubbed a huge orchestra
> over the groups original mono Co & Ce recordings. While the sound
> is fuller (I guess you can call them "true stereo" mixes) the
> overblown arrangements stick out badly.
I heard one of those Vogues overdubs ("Magic Town", I think) played
last weekend on "Dick Clark's Rock, Roll and Remember". Remakes,
overdubs, alternate takes, and stereo remixes that sound nothing like
the original hit mono mix were pet peeves of mine when I programmed
radio shows, and I guess they still are.
Ed
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:44:49 +0100
From: Dave Heasman
Subject: Re: need song help!
Justin McDevitt wrote:
> The other day while my mind was recalling various musical memories of
> my youth, a song bubbled up into my consciousness. I first heard this
> track played on the radio in early December 1964. I don't know if it
> charted here in the US, though I'm sure it did chart in the UK and in
> Europe. This particular song has a two-word title, the first word being
> "Tokyo". The ensemble, Bert Kaempfert-like in its sound, took its
> name from a fellow German, the guy who most likely had put the band
> together. I know that one of you experts will step up to the plate and
> solve this musical mystery here.
Helmut Zacharias: Tokyo Melody
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:16:15 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Bob Lind prequel
Country Paul wrote:
> Not dead, in fact a "prequel" of sorts, is the Bob Lind album on Verve
> Folkways (or was it Forecast by then?), designed to cash in on the success
> of "Elusive Butterfly," which overdubbed a orchestra over some folk-style
> earlier recordings by Lind.
LOL, I have that album, Paul. It's actually entitled "The Elusive Bob Lind."
You're right on the money about the sync problems between the orchestra
and the original tracks. There's one song on there I kinda like; title escapes
me ... something about "just below the Rockies ... lives a lonely girl" or some
such. Even on that song, you wonder how musicians could be that "off." As
for the other tracks, they're virtually unlistenable.
Townes Van Zandt's debut album, on the Poppy label, sounds like it surely
must have been given this "after-the-fact" orchestra treatment as well. The
accompaniment is totally inappropriate for the material, and Townes wisely
rerecorded many of the tunes on this LP for later releases, giving them the
more organic and minimalist settings that suited them.
Mike
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:38:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: Projections location
I always loved that Blues Project photo with the members posed behind
one of those playground climbing things. Just looks like a natural setting
(foredrop?) for a band photo.
In fact, the playground in my apartment complex has one of those and I've
long been tempted to have my picture taken peering from behind it, ala
the Project. If I ever started a band, it would definitely be utilized.
David
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:29:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Deep Stardust
I give my vote, also for "Stardust" and "Deep Purple," as done by Billy
Ward's Dominoes, as two of the great lost classics of all time.
It may sound like sacrilege, but I almost prefer the Dominoes' version
of "Purple" (with Eugene Mumford's sonorous, transcendent lead vocal,
which is also featured on "Stardust") to the better known (or at least more
played) Nino & April version. And that, for me, is saying a lot.
David
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:16:46 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: "Hippies" thanks/South Street
Thank you very much to all who contributed answers to my "hippie"
question! And it seems like both me and my professor friend screwed
up -- we both got Dobie Gillis and Maynard G. Krebs mixed up!
Country Paul's answer (hip black community in the South Street area)
seems the most likely, because after I posted the question I realized
that the songs I referred to as using the term "hippie" also mention
South Street:
"South Street": "Where do all the hippies meet? South Street ..."
"Birdland": "On South Street, the hippies and the gippies [or whatever
he's saying!] like birdland ..."
"You Can't Sit Down": "When you're on South Street (you can't sit down)
and the band is really bootin' (you can't sit down) you hear the hippie with
the back beat ..."
It also occurred to me that the latter song also uses the term "hip hop":
"You gotta slop, bop, flip flop, hip hop, never stop ..." I suggest we refrain
from trying to analyze what THAT might've meant in 1963!
Out of curiosity, however, if anyone here remembers South Street the way
it was in 1963, does it match the descriptions in these songs? It sure as
hell doesn't now!
Thanks again,
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:23:41 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Paris Sisters' "Be My Boy"
Country Paul wrote:
> May I gently disagree? With the exception of the "slamming" snare on the
> offbeat, "Be My Boy," their first for Gregmark (Gregmark 2), pre-dates it.
I just want to say how much I love this song. Don't know why, but it really
gets to me. And for some reason, I can hear in my mind's ear a remake
(obviously with a sex change) by The Beach Boys, with some trademark close harmonies on the title phrase. I think it'd be a killer. I've had it in
mind to try this myself via multi-tracking, and I just may someday.
Mike
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:42:08 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: Linde, Antell, Percells: well done, lads!
Almost full marks to John Clemente and S'pop for the fabulous new
presentation, "John Linde, Peter Antell & The Percells"
( http://www.spectropop.com/percells/index.htm ). What a great story,
and are those pictures cool or what!
The last time I chatted with Peter was a year ago at the S'pop party in New
York City. (To be honest that was the only time I've chatted to Pete, or for
that matter the only time I've been to NYC. I have been to a few S'Pop do's,
though!) And what a nice chap -- he waited patiently while I tried to get my
befuddled brain in gear in an attempt to recall some of the records he had
been involved in. I failed rather miserably, but then it had been a busy day.
Anyway, no need to worry -- the new S'pop feature has a super Selected
Discography. I haven't heard all the records on there, but I have enough
to know I need to hear more.
I've played Nick Cardell "Everybody Jump" (AmCan) to musica, and this is
one of the reasons the feature doesn't get full marks. As informative as
John's interviews with Peter Antell and John Linde are, I'd like to know
more about their work! How about a follow-up piece, crossing the t's and
dotting some i's?
Martin
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:34:02 -0700
From: Charles Ulrich
Subject: Re: L.A. session musicians
Frank Jastfelder wrote:
> The only one I know for sure on the picture from the Lumpy Gravy
> session is Dennis Budimir (that's his correct spelling).
Sorry. That was a typo on my part.
> He's fourth to left from Zappa (the one with the short-sleeved black
> shirt in the foreground).
Thanks! This also helps me narrow down the date of the photo, since
he was at only two of the three March sessions, and not at the February
session.
--Charles
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:25:04 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: Murray the K LP on Chess
Country Paul wrote:
> Re: Murray The K LPs, there was one on Chess as well: "Murray The K's
> Golden Gassers," Chess 1458 NYC. Interesting - no liner notes, and on the
> labels, no mention of Murray! The "NYC" after the number gives it away;
> Chess probably franchised the LP in various markets to various DJs.
Right you are, Paul. I have the Pittsburgh version, with my friend Porky
Chedwick on the cover, which I bought in 1961, and I understand there
was a KYA, San Francisco version as well.
My favorite Boston-area country act was John Lincoln Wright & The Sourmash
Boys – Wright was ex-Beacon Street Union. I remember him visiting me at
WHN in the mid-'70s.
Ed
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:54:10 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: part of the 16
Been leafing through some old pop mags lately, before a friend of mine
unloads them on eBay. The pile includes the July 1966 issue of "16,"
Gloria Stavers' amazing mix of teeniebop ephemera ("Find Five Errors
in the Elvis Drawing"; "Win Herman's 'Lion' Clothes; "Dino, Desi & Billy's
Mailbox") with subtly adult and surprisingly eclectic material. I thought y'all
might enjoy a few of the odds & ends I found in "Gee Gee's Gossip!!" page:
* ROBERT VAUGHN is NOT dying from malnutrition, macrobiotics or
sanpaku -- so will you all quit reading those grisly scandal sheets and
believing they baloney they print!
* BEATLES' supposedly surprise trip to Memphis was to record in the same
studio that RUFUS THOMAS and BOOKER T. use. Great sounds come out of
there! [did this really happen?]
* SUPREMES and HERBIE ALPERT have formed a mutual admiration society.
* JOHNNY HAMMOND has signed with Red Bird Records and his first single
is called "I Wish You Would." One of these days the world is gonna get
woke to how hip and beautiful this young man is.
* Recommended LPs this month include The Shadows Of Knight's "Gloria" on
Dunwich; "The Wondrous World Of Sonny & Cher" on Atco; Dionne Warwicks'
[sic] "Here I Am" on Scepter; James Brown's "I Got You" and "Papa's Got
A Brand New Bag" on King; "Sonny Boy Williams [sic] & The Yardbirds"
on Mercury [sic; wasn't it on Epic?]; "Them Again" on Parrot; and Chet
Atkins' groovey "Pickin' On The Beatles" (he's a guitarist -- get it?)
on RCA Victor. Also dig Eddie Rambeau's single "I'm The Sky," anything
by Deon Jackson (Detroit's answer to Johnny Mathis), and "Diddy Wah
Diddy" by The Remains.
Boston's answer to Deon Jackson,
--Phil M.
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0000
From: Alan V Karr
Subject: Re: need song help!
Justin McDevitt wrote:
> This particular song has a two-word title, the first word being
> "Tokyo". The ensemble, Bert Kaempfert-like in its sound, took its
> name from a fellow German, the guy who most likely had put the band
> together. I know that one of you experts will step up to the plate and
> solve this musical mystery here.
Tokyo Melody, by Helmut Zacharias (Polydor NH 52341), co-written by
Lionel Bart. Charted Top 20 in the UK, and was the theme song of the
1964 Tokyo Olympics.
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