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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Superbabs & Charlie Calello
From: (That) Alan Gordon
2. Re: Herb Alpert
From: Randy Kosht
3. Re: Dore Alpert
From: Steve Fuji
4. Andrew Loog Oldham speaks for hisself
From: Al Kooper
5. New Shangri-Las website
From: Lex Cody
6. Re: Did the Turtles do So Goes Love?
From: Dan Hughes
7. 60sgaragebands.com June Updates
From: Mike Dugo
8. Producing Pitney
From: Al Kooper
9. Re: Superbabs
From: (That) Alan Gordon
10. Re: Cloudy Summer Afternoon
From: Jens Koch
11. Re: Herb Alpert (Andex, not Prep)
From: Fred Clemens
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:23:08 -0700
From: (That) Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Superbabs & Charlie Calello
Al Kooper, you tell me where and when, and I'll come up from Az. to meet
you.
Knowing Charlie Calello you'll appreciate this. When we did the sessions
with the Queen, Charlie decided to bring a photographer along to capture
the moment. Everyone was stunned - you never do that without the
permission of Barbra. Well no one can stop Charlie, I'm so glad he did,
I have the picture on my wall. When we posed with Barbra, being the
consumate professional that she is, she said just before he snapped the
shot, "Wet your lips". I murmured "I'd love to".
If you ever get the chance listen to the arrangement he did on "I Ain't
Gonna Cry Tonight", it's on her WET album. Charlie did an arrangement
that's staggering. It's more like Freddy Mercury than Streisand. I LOVE
Charlie Calello. As a matter of fact, I will call him today and tell him
myself, and I'll give him your best regards too Al.
Best, That Alan
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 02:17:39 -0000
From: Randy Kosht
Subject: Re: Herb Alpert
> Was Alpert at the helm of the pre A&M westcoast Dore Records label?
No, although he was involved in A&R there and was best known for
producing (with then-partner Lou Adler) Jan and Dean. They charted
Top 10 in 1959 with "Baby Talk."
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:54:59 -0000
From: Steve Fuji
Subject: Re: Dore Alpert
> Was Alpert at the helm of the pre A&M westcoast Dore Records label?
Dore records was a sub-label of Era records which was run by Lew
Biddell and his cousin whose name escapes me at the moment.It is
entirely possible that Alpert had encounters with them at some time,
since the L.A. indy-label world was a small one at that time. I
always wondered where the "Dore Alpert" name came from.
> A&M 714, "Dina" by Dore Alpert (actually Herb, singing on record
> for the first time I know of) is perhaps my all-time favorite 45
Does anyone know who the vocalist was on the flip side of "Dina"
which was called "You're Doing What You Did With Me With Him?" It
doesn't sound at all like Alpert, but sounds like an imitation of
Bobby Vee. I have had this single since 1965 and have not been able
to find out much about it.
Steve Fuji
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:39:02 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Andrew Loog Oldham speaks for hisself
I took the liberty of sending some of the Andrew Loog Oldham/Pete Meaden
thread to Andrew himself, who I keep in contact with. HERE IS SOME OF
OUR CORRESPONDENCE:
Peter Lerner's data as per Meaden/Phil comes direct from an interview I
gave in last Friday's UK Guardian. Perhaps that is the source for his
observations. Meaden was less a role model than the guy "who let me in",
a la Tony Curtis/Lew Wasserman. We all have 'em, someone who opens the
door to the life we want in on.
Oh, and in other articles I pointed out that as much as an influence as
Phillip was he didn't have an orchestra...my orchestral influence was
Jack Nitzsche's 63 "Lonely Surfer".
> Interesting. Does Oldham think that Spector produced Needles and Pins?
No on Spector being producer of "Needles And Pins". Your lad Lerner has
never heard of sub-editing... ALO.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:27:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lex Cody
Subject: New Shangri-Las website
Hello All,
I've finally done as much as I can on the site, and it's up. It's not
finished as it's missing some lyrics, and I'm sure I've gotten some
lyrics wrong, so if you wanna play find the wrong lyrics, that'd be
cool... just email me corrections. If you have anything to add, and
any suggestions for improvement, even better. If you've got any old
flyers or stuff I can use just email pic of them, and I'll put them
up. The site isn't driven to sell product, I only did it cause there
wasn't a dedicated Shangri-Las site out there, and I thought I may as
well do it. There's no pop up adds or anything, it's just a reference
site really. Also if you know of any links that should be in there
that are Shangri-La related, email them and I'll put them in there.
Many thanks to users on this forum who have emailed help, support and
information - all very much appreciated.!!!
http://www.theshangri-las.com
Enjoy.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:22:06 -0500
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: Did the Turtles do So Goes Love?
Yep, the Turtles did a version of "So Goes Love". It's on the Sundazed
IT AIN'T ME BABE CD as a bonus track (it wasn't on the original LP.
Liner notes on the CD say:
So Goes Love was a Goffin-King song of haunting resignation that was also
recorded with the original band (Portz on bass, Don Murray on drums
before he was replaced by John Barbata, and Jim Tucker on rhythm guitar).
It was an appropriate vehicle for Howard's softer voice, but was never
really finished (orchestrated) by producer Bones Howe.
---Dan
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:10:26 -0500
From: Mike Dugo
Subject: 60sgaragebands.com June Updates
Here's a quick notice that the June updates to 60sgaragebands.com
are now online. Included this month are interviews with two
legendary garage/psych performers: Fred Cole of The Weeds and
Lollipop Shoppe and Ken Erwin of The C.A. Quintet. Also featured
is Eldon Pitts of Indiana's Dave & The Dynamics and Wild Things.
You can check the interviews out at www.60sgaragebands.com.
As always, questions and comments are welcome.
Mike Dugo
60sgaragebands.com
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:49:03 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Producing Pitney
Jim Shannon:
> Good question and one that should be answerd by Gene himself as I am
> trying to make contact with him. He resides in Somers, Connecticut, not
> too far from his hometown of Rockville, CT. I have e-mailed him to see
> if there would any interest in being interviewed for Spectropop.
As a friend and huge fan, I tried to gently produce Gene in the '80s and
was poltely rebuffed. I sent about 75 songs (not neccessarily originals)
as well to choose from. My guess is that Gene feels totally capable of
producing himself, but it just never gets released. I am actually in the
same exact situatioon as an artist now, but minus Gene's incredible track
record and voice. Where do we go when we're in our 60's and don't wanna
do the accounting work involved in paying other publishers and writers if
we self release? I love recording other peoples material as well as my
own. Always have. I've had my own label and don't really wanna go there
again. Too much too much if ya know wot I mean, mates......
Old Al Kooper
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:40:58 -0700
From: (That) Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Superbabs
While we're on the Steisand topic. A few days ago my wife and I were
sitting in the backyard. She asked me "How are your friends on
Spectropop?" I replied fine, as a matter of fact they were talking about
the outfit Barbra wore on the cover of the Superman lp. My wife said "I
have the outfit in my closet". I said "The one she wore?" She said no,
Jon Peters gave her one like it, apparently they had made some for
promomotional purposes. I said "OH, Hello!" A night I will never forget,
was when I went to Barbra's home to rehearse the songs. At the rehearsal
was Charlie Calello, Roger Miller, Glen Cambell, Larry Gatlin, and Gary
Klein. It was a nice experience, I just wanted to share it with all of
you.
Best, That Alan
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:37:14 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Re: Cloudy Summer Afternoon
Jim Shannon:
> Anyone recall a Barry McGuire release called "Cloudy Summer
> Afternoon"? The song was released during the summer of '66
> but charted poorly, only reaching the top 30 or so. Seem to
> remember nice lyrics and melody to it. Is it available on CD?
I remember it well. It was from "The World's Last Private Citizen",
which is definitely not available. But it was released on cd in
1995 on "Upon a Painted Ocean - The Best of Barry McGuire" which
can possibly still be found as an import - but that's only guessing.
Jens
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 05:38:10 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Herb Alpert (Andex, not Prep)
> Herb recorded under the "Dore" moniker a couple (?) of singles for
> RCA, around 1962, and just before those a single for the Carnival
> label. He also, around 1959, recorded a vocal for the Prep label,
> using "Herb Alpert". I have the Carnival and one RCA single.
First, I should correct myself. The label was not Prep, it was Andex.
(Sorry for the mistaken identity)
Secondly, here are a couple of links that should answer your
questions about Herb Alpert and Dore Records:
http://www.bsnpubs.com/dore.html
http://www.bsnpubs.com/aandm/aandmstory.html
Fred Clemens
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