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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Hall Of Shame
From: Mac Joseph
2. Re: The Flirtations
From: Ian Slater
3. Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
From: Jens Koch
4. Re: NYC record shops
From: Pfat Skink
5. The Esquires now playing on musica
From: Country Paul
6. Lee Hazlewood
From: Peter McCray
7. Re: Canadian CDs -- why from vinyl?
From: superoldies
8. Bill(y) Youderman
From: Hugo M.
9. R&RHOF; more Gene Pitney; payola
From: Country Paul
10. Upcoming NYC & CT gigs
From: Bill George
11. Re: Celebration / Lou Rawls
From: Clark Besch
12. Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
From: Bill Craig
13. Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
From: Nick Archer
14. Pseudo-Bossa.
From: Julio Niño
15. Re: Favourite obscure Pitney track??
From: John Love
16. California Nights / A Brand New Me / Oh Me, Oh My
From: Dave O'Gara
17. Gene Pitney on CD
From: Austin Powell
18. Buzz & Bucky and Bobby Vee
From: Bob Celli
19. NYC record shops-- Thanks!
From: Alun
20. 2 Spector questions....
From: Martin Jensen
21. Re: Mindy & The Complex
From: Joe Nelson
22. Re: Buzz Cason book
From: Ed Salamon
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mac Joseph
Subject: Re: Hall Of Shame
I have to agree with John. I ,too visited the Hall of Fame a few years
back. I asked the man, (probably the same guy) "Tell me, why aren't
the Outsiders in the Hall of Fame, they are from Cleveland and Time
Won't let Me is surely a RnR classic in every stretch of the word".
He says to me (and I quote) "They haven't been around long enough and
obviously weren't popular." I made this visit in 2002. I believe that
Chet Kelly & the Boys had been "around", oh, lets see, roughly 40 years?
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:42:50 +0100
From: Ian Slater
Subject: Re: The Flirtations
Clark Besch wrote:
> I have been confused by 2 Flirtations videos I have. They seem to
> have no vinyl counterpart! Why would a group make videos for songs
> that aren't even on Lps?? You mention one above, "Take me in Your
> Arms and Love me" and the other is titled "Hold on to me Babe"
> according to my listings (maybe I decided that was the title??).
These were issued on 45s in the UK. I have:
Hold onto Me Babe / Love A little Longer (Polydor 2058-249) 1972
Take Me In Your Arms & Love Me / (Polydor 2058-167) 1971
Hope this helps. The videos sound interesting what are they on?
Ian Slater
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:58:39 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
Ken Silverwood:
> "Take It Like A Man" ... funny, that line is in "I'm Gonna Be Strong"
Seems to be a habit of Gene's ... Keep Tellin' Myself is also a line in
I Just Can't Help Myself ... any other examples?
Jens
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:35:54 -0400
From: Pfat Skink
Subject: Re: NYC record shops
Scott Sookman wrote:
> Sadly, Midnight Records has vanished after about 20 years. Their
> website is also gone. Sniff.
Nope, as stated previously the web site's still there:
http://www.midnightrecords.com/
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:50:59 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: The Esquires now playing on musica
In the light of the recent Canadian discussions, I have played to musica
"So Many Other Boys" by The Esquires (Capitol of Canada), a Canadian hit
in 1964. Not only was this never released in the US, it didn't even make
their albums in Canada, despite being in "heavy rotation" at CHUM and the
other major Toronto rock/pop stations. I think it's a forgotten
masterpiece, and welcome your opinions. (I bought my original copy new in
'64, but my then-girlfriend left it on the shelf of the back window of my
car, where the summer sun turned it into a potato chip! It took nearly 40
years to come up with another one!)
Country Paul
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:36:16 +1000
From: Peter McCray
Subject: Lee Hazlewood
There's been a few mentions of Lee Hazlewood on Spectropop this week.
Just in case any Lee fans don't know, just by chance I heard a radio
interview earlier in the week with Nancy Sinatra where she was talking
about her newly -released album with Lee. It is called Nancy & Lee 3,
and has been released in Australia only at this stage.
Don't know if it will be released elsewhere - Nancy reckoned it was
released here because Warners Australia happened to take a liking to it,
so it might depend on sales etc. I dont have the album, but they did
play one track from it during the interview. Both sounded in fine form!
Peter
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:48:35 -0000
From: superoldies
Subject: Re: Canadian CDs -- why from vinyl?
To follow up regarding this question - I stumbled upon perhaps an
oddity. The Esquires & Staccatos (Capitol Canada groups) CDs were
off vinyl. I was looking by an obscure track by JB & The Playboys
aka Carnival Connection, who had 1 single on Capitol in 1968. I
called Capitol Canada & they said that tapes that old have either
been destroyed or deleted but they had no record of those artists
whatsoever. Just out of curiosity, I called Capitol/EMI in the USA.
The vaults had a 1/2 inch reel of the 3 Carnival Connection tracks -
was it a safety copy? Who knows, but maybe those who put out the
Esquires & Staccatos collections didn't think of checking into the
US vaults...maybe they're there!?
As you see, this is Canada's major '60s label, so you can then
imagine the slim probabilities of there being existing masters for
the small, local obscure labels...it just isn't the same as down
here where larger companies bought up the minor label vaults. Sad,
because there is some fantastic music lost forever except its vinyl
existence.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:43:55 -0000
From: Hugo M.
Subject: Bill(y) Youderman
Does anyone in group know how to get in touch with Mr. Youderman here?
70's/80's producer type, worked with Little Feat and contributed to
Jennifer Warnes' Leonard Cohen record... I was able to google up a
10-year-old e-mail address, but it's no longer valid, and I'd like to
get in touch with him about an obscure band he recorded in the 60's...
Any help will be much empree-ciated.
Buzz-buzz-ka-diddle-it...
Hugo M.
etc etc etc
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:43:17 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: R&RHOF; more Gene Pitney; payola
Re: R&RHOF - I don't know about anyone else here, but most of my defining
musical moments weren't made by anyone in the HOF. Or maybe they were; I
don't really care. Politics aside, the R&RHOF ossifies a vital and living
art and limits it to a relatively few artists who sold a lot of records -
and even fewer who may not have but were "undeniable" for whatever reason.
It's great that those artists are remembered; in another generation from now
they'll be as historical to those folks as World War II is to most of us, so
it's good to "leave a trail." But in the cosmic scheme of things, it's
knowing what these performers and their music meant to us that's key.
Gary Myers:
> When we backed [Gene Pitney] in Milwaukee in '63, someone
> requested "Louisiana Mama". IIRC, he laughed about it, but
> finally did a little of it. I guess it is one of his earliest
> obscurities.
Thanks, Gary; I was trying to remember the name of that! Cool song....
And then there's Austin Robert's pick, "If I Didn't Have A Dime (To Play
the Jukebox)," Mike Edwards' choices "Dream For Sale" and "If I Didn't Have
A Dime" - and there are so many more! One easily forgets - but shouldn't -
the depth of Pitney's catalog.
Frank M, re: payola:
> It has always existed in the entertainment business from the days
> of vaudevile and continues in some shape or form thru to today. I
> believe it is called independent promotion.
In other industries, it's "the cost of doing business" or "swag" [stuff we
always get] or whatever. No difference here except that the public hears the
end product.
And when I was a Music Director in radio (at several stations), I never ever
took anything specifically for anything, nor did our staff. We did let it be
known to the promo folks that as a bunch of starving music-freak DJs we
welcomed dinners, copies of albums we loved (but couldn't afford), concert
tix (which we also couldn't afford) and swag (especially T-shirts and
jackets), but we welcomed everything from everybody - equal opportunity
takers! - with no strings attached. I never heard any payola-influenced
patterns on those stations, but we did wear some cool T-shirts!
Country Paul
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:22:50 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Upcoming NYC & CT gigs
Hi all,
Just a quick self-promotional plug... I will be singing in a chamber
music concert Monday Jan 7 in NYC and again in Darien CT on Thursday
Jan 10. Anyone in the area interested in non-spectropop but very cool
classical music are invited to attend! The program is called "Mystics
& Misfits" and features music based in spiritualism of some kind (but
not dogmatically religious). Featured composers include Messiaen,
Hovhaness, Antheil, and... ME. We are premiering a new piece I've
composed for soprano, mezzo, tenor, violin and organ, based on the
writings of Hildegard of Bingen. Anyone interested, please contact me
and I'll send you all the info. You can also email NewMusicNewYork at
AOL dot com.
thanks for listening!
Bill
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:36:47 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Celebration / Lou Rawls
Me:
> That) Alan, Great story with Lou R. That Blockbuster wasn't on
> "Dead End Street", was it? If only he was a "Natural Man" like you
> were trying to be?? Ok, ok..... Anyway, sorry, but I DON"T have
> the Celebration's "Celebrity Ball" 45. Our friend, Karl Baker,
> turned me on to that title from your repitiore. Karl are you
> listening? We wanna hear this version!
Am I really answering my own post?? Oh MY! Anyway, after posting
the above, I realized that Alan wrote a song Lou Rawls recorded in
1983 called "If You're Gonna Love me"! So, Alan, next time you see
Lou, sing a little bit and tell him who gave him that song! Clark
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:15:41 -0000
From: Bill Craig
Subject: Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
Richard Williams:
> My vote would go to "24 Sycamore" -- if it's obscure enough.
Which version of this song came first, Gene's or Wayne Fontana's?
I haven't heard it in years, but remember really liking it.
Bill Craig
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 06:45:06 -0500
From: Nick Archer
Subject: Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
It struck me last night that Gene Pitney would probably do a great
job of singing "I Knew You When". Did this ever happen?
Nick Archer
Nashville TN
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:30:10 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Pseudo-Bossa.
Hola Everybody:
In a recent post, Patrick Rands asked about mid-sixties Americanized
Bossa Nova acts. Maybe this is not exactly what he is referring to,
but in the early sixties, riding on the success of the Brazilian Bossa
Nova, many tracks of a kind of popified pseudo-bossa were released. I
love that subgenre a lot. Some songs of that type that come now to my
mind are: "Blame It On The Bossa Nova" by Edie Gorme, "Bossa Nova Bird"
by The Dells, "Bossa Nova Baby" by Tippy and the Clovers, or here in
Spain "Bossa Nova junto a ti" by the mysterious Spanish child star
Marisol, and many more you sure could add.
Of course, a trace of Bossa Nova can also be found in many Bacharach,
Morricone or other Italian sixties composers, but that is quite another
subject.
As in the case of skapop and real ska, the faux-bossa is for me as
stimulating as the authentic. It would be nice if some of the talented
compilers of Spectropopland could construct a collection of skapop,
pseudo-bossa and other similar pop- adulterated subgenres.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:06:38 +0100
From: John Love
Subject: Re: Favourite obscure Pitney track??
Interesting to see what people think is obscure, and what charted where.
I was in Sydney at the time and "Who Needs It" and "If I Didn't Have a
Dime" - both great songs - charted as the A side. "That Girl Belongs to
Yesterday" and "Only Love Can Break A Heart" didn't get a look in. I'm
also pretty sure that "Hawaii" was put out independently of "It Hurts To
Be In Love". It was certainly a hit there anyway. One of his all time
greats for me is Randy Newman's "Just One Smile" which from memory hit
big in the UK but not in the States. The song that's synonymous with
Gene in the UK is "24 Hours From Tulsa".
cheers
John
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:38:43 -0000
From: Dave O'Gara
Subject: California Nights / A Brand New Me / Oh Me, Oh My
Tossing out this question in light of all the Pitney talk lately..Did
anyone think the first time you heard "Black is Black" by Los Bravos
that it was Gene singing lead?
On another subject..Lots of (deserved) talk here about the great girl
groups but as I was leafing through the old vinyl I ran across some
some solo performances that I've always loved. So I thought I'd
mention them and see what others may have thought of these individual
performances:
A Brand New Me by Dusty Springfield
Oh Me, Oh My by Lulu
California Nights by Lesley Gore
Dave 0'
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:26:20 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Gene Pitney on CD
Austin Powell wrote:
> There was an excellent 50-track double CD of Gene issued in the UK
> by Sanctuary in 2000.
Jens:
> What was the title of that collection, and is it still available?
It was called "Looking Through Gene Pitney - the Ultimate Collection",
a 2 CD set of remastered tracks on the Sequel label, a subsidiary of
Castle/Sanctuary...Cat # NEECD 380....Released in 2000. See full track
list here: http://tinyurl.com/2cesj
Austin
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:43:28 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Buzz & Bucky and Bobby Vee
Phil M:
> Did Cason & Wilkin do all their session work from Nashville, or were
> they relocated in L.A. at the time? Stranger things have happened, but
> much as I try I just can't quite conjure an image of Nashville as a surf
> and hot rod hotbed.
I recall Bobby Vee telling me about a recording session that he did in
Nashville in 1967 that was brought about by Buzz Cason. It has nothing
to do with surf or hot rod but it's still an interesting story and
certainly places Buzz in Nashville! Buzz called Vee and told him he had
some very good tunes that he thought were perfect for him, and that he
would like him to come down and do a session. The session was co-produced
by Buzz and Dallas Smith who was Vee's producer at the time in LA. On at
least one of the songs, Bobby Russell was also listed as a co-producer.
The song, "Mission Accomplished" was released on the "Come Back When You
Grow Up" lp. The other two songs recorded were "Break It" and "Just Like
Lookin'In A Mirror". "Mission" strangely enough appeared in electronically
enhanced stereo on the lp. When I asked Bobby about that, he told me that
after the session was complete, it was to be sent to Liberty Records. When
they got back to LA, the session master was not there and still remains
missing to this day. Luckily, Bobby had Buzz run a quick copy of the three
songs on a seven inch reel for him to listen to at home. As Bobby said in
regards to the lost master, "We had a ten thousand dollar session down the
toilet".
Bob Celli
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:57:22 -0000
From: Alun
Subject: NYC record shops-- Thanks!
A big thanks to you all who gave suggestions for best record stores
in NYC for 60s stuff. My path has been set. Will post survey if I hit
enough. Thanks again!
alun
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:21:39 -0000
From: Martin Jensen
Subject: 2 Spector questions....
Two Spector-related questions I've had in mind for some time:
1) Has anyone here ever come across a stereo version of 'Paradise' by
the Ronettes? I have the Marginal collection of Ronettes songs in
stereo, but alas, 'Paradise' is in mono. It would have been great to
hear that song with the same clarity as the others...
2) Flo and Eddie, aka Howard Kaylan and Mark Volman of the Turtles,
recorded a Spector cover during the 70s - I can't remember which song
it was, possibly 'Baby, I Love You'? Has anyone heard it & is it any
good? Is it just a straight, spectorised cover or does it somehow
differ dramaticly from the original? I for one liked the reggae
versions they did of 'Happy Together' and 'Sitting in the Park'
during the 80s - great stuff! :-)
With regards
Martin, Denmark
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:58:43 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Mindy & The Complex
Clark Besch:
> Hi, as requested, I posted Mindy & The Complex' "Part the Curtains
> of my Hair" to Musica. It is Athena 5011, which i received in 9/69.
> A subsiderary of Stereo Dimension Records, like the evolution label
> records I've spoken of recently. Again, not a stereo 45!! WHY??
> Anyway, the song was written by Jon Reid, produced by Rick Powell.
> Not a bad song. If anyone wants to hear the B side, a great Chip
> Taylor song, I'll do it when I take something down.
So Mindy Dalton apparently gets top billing, yet didn't write either
song... hmmm. Also the singer sounds nothing like Judi Griffith. I'm
wondering if this was similar to when Chuck Conlon left the
Nightcrawlers and turned up a few months later in a group called
Conlon and the Crawlers. The interesting thing is, both bands signed
their record deals with the upfront assertion that they intended to
break up once they were out of high school in order to concentrate on
college studies - why do I feel this wouldn't be accepted today?
Joe Nelson
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 16:04:40 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: Buzz Cason book
Austin Roberts wrote:
> Buzz Cason's very recently released book "Living The Rock And Roll
> Dream" (Hal Leonard Pub) is already in its second printing.
> Austin (book promoter) Roberts
Did you notice the three folks quoted on the book jacket; Jimmy Buffett,
Kris Kristofferson and ME!? Of course, Jimmy's and Kris' quotes are on
the back and mine are on the inside back flap, but an honor to be among
them just the same.
Ed Salamon
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