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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Early mistakes
From: Joe Nelson
2. Re: California Nights.
From: Mark Hill
3. Addrisi Brothers to Musica
From: Clark Besch
4. Re: Ronnie Dove
From: Fred Clemens
5. Re: Early mistakes
From: Gary Myers
6. Who Sang What? (book)
From: Guy Lawrence
7. The Water Is Over Al Kooper's Head
From: Martin Roberts
8. Re: Multiple versions
From: Ed Salamon
9. Super K Productions
From: Steve Fuji
10. Re: Bob Brass
From: (That) Alan Gordon
11. Re: Barry Mandilow & telerevisionism
From: Phil X Milstein
12. Re: David Gates & the Lively Set
From: Phil X Milstein
13. Re: more Bobby & I
From: Paul Richards
14. Re: Ronnie Dove
From: Steve Jarrell
15. Re: Early mistakes
From: Austin Roberts
16. Re: David Gates & the Lively Set
From: Andy
17. Flo and Eddie and "Paradise"
From: David A. Young
18. Originals; pay-NO-la
From: Country Paul
19. The Embers / O'Kaysions watcher
From: Michael Coxe
20. Re: Multiple versions
From: Mike the Bass Player
21. Re: Ronnie Dove
From: Bob Celli
22. Re: O'Kaysions Watcher - Seen!
From: Howard Earnshaw
23. Re: Bobby & I - Corbetta/Corbitt
From: Stephane Rebeschini
24. Re: O'Kaysions watcher
From: Kingsley Abbott
25. Re: Ronnie Dove
From: Artie Wayne
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:44:18 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Early mistakes
(That) Alan Gordon:
> ... Things however have a way of working out, after all they got me
> a lot great covers, and because of commercials and BMI, I'm doing o.k.
> now, but there were times I had to live with eviction notices, and
> wondering how I was going to provide for my family. I thank God
> everyday for all my blessings.
Strangely, I was always under the impression songwriting was "the
thing", because your royalty payments were set in stone legally (i.e.
not negotiable) and that writers weren't getting hit with the kind of
recoupments that recording artists get screwed with. Now it turns out
not even that works??? But I've been thankful too, mostly that I never
made it and never put my family in that kind of jeopardy.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:47:54 -0400
From: Mark Hill
Subject: Re: California Nights.
There were several recent posts proclaiming admiration of LESLEY GORE's
evocative "California Nights" (02/67). It reached #16. It was co-written
by Marvin Hamlisch, as was her "Sunshine Lollipops And Rainbows" (06/65)
#13. I like "Night", too. I was 7 years old when I first heard Lesley
Gore sing "California Nights." She sang it when she appeared as "Pussycat",
one of Catwoman's kittens, on TV's hit show "Batman." The episodes, "That
Darn, Catwoman/Scat, Darn Catwoman" (Broadcast 01/19/67 and 01/25/67).
Even at the age of 7, I knew there was something cool and off-kilter about
this song. By the way, Lesley Gore was the niece of the producer of
"Batman", Howie Horwitz.
"Dr. Mark" Hill *
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:06:28 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Addrisi Brothers to Musica
Posted to Musica for a short time, a 70's record that I think many
SPoppers will love. "Somebody Found Her (Before I Lost Her)" by the
well known Addrisi Brothers between their hits on Columbia and
Buddah. This one from January, 1974, rates with their best, I
think. Makes me think of the Mary Tyler Moore show theme, but it's
pretty cool too! Great harmonizing as was usual with this duo. A
Lambert/Potter song with Bones Howe production released about the
time Bell put out the artie wayne classic, "Flashback" by the 5th
Dimension. Here is the stereo version found only on DJ copies.
Because of it being 70's, I'll leave it up only short time. Enjoy,
Clark
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:39:18 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove
Dave O'Gara was:
> ...just wondering if any of our contributing artists have ever
> worked with (Ronnie Dove) and possibly know if he's still
> performing after all these years. Seems like he was able to
> compete and hold his own on the charts, especially in that
> aforementioned record-breaking year of 1965.
You might want to check out http://www.ronniedove.com According to
his number one fan (Tom Diehl aka Stereoldies, formerly DoveFan),
he was still performing as of this time last year. He's got the pics
here to prove it: http://www.angelfire.com/md3/tomdiehl1/dove.html
Fred Clemens
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:02:54 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Early mistakes
(That) Alan Gordon:
> I got the one of a kind Cadillac as part of a publishing deal - it
> was a "RECOUP DEVILLE". I was still paying for it for 37 years!!!
IIRC, Nancy Sinatra once said in an interview that one piece of early
advice that her dad gave her was "Own your own masters."
gem
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:57:19 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Who Sang What? (book)
I wrote:
> "Who Sang What In Rock'n'Roll", is never far from my side
Phil wrote:
> But Guy, please tell us about this Warner book. I've never heard of
> it before.
First published in the U.K. by Blandford in 1990 (ISBN 0713720891).
Can't tell you whether it's still in print but these days that hardly
seems to matter as you can track down anything (and I do mean anything!)
on the internet. A truly indispensable tome that lists 500 Rock classics,
their original versions and subsequent covers and tells the story of each
song. It also includes handy lists of things like answer records, novelty
songs and hits by particular writers. Great to dip into and essential for
sorting out your Cadets from your Jayhawks or your Lou Johnson's from
your Sandie Shaws! As I say, Alan Warner is a S'Pop member, perhaps he
can tell us more.
Guy
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:42:39 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: The Water Is Over Al Kooper's Head
JJ enthused:
> ...the FABtastic Eddie Hodges 45 "Love Minus Zero" b/w "The Water
> Is Over My Head" (UK Stateside, '65). Is this the original version
> of "The Water ..."?
Yes it is, but FABtastic doesn't really do it justice. It has to be
at the very least, fandabidosey++. A former Jack Nitzsche Record of
the Week, the review can be still be read on the archive page:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/pastrotw.htm
I love it - a great pop song, always there or thereabouts in my list
of top tens. Eddie's next 45 for Aurora also featured an Irwin-Kooper
song, "The Old Rag Man", and again Nitzsche was arranger. Not quite
in the same league but well worth hunting for a copy.
A few questions for Al (the wise) Kooper;
The lyrics seem to be a contradiction of the uptempo tone of the song.
(Likewise with "Rag Man".) Who wrote them, you, Irwin or both? Did you
record a demo and was Nitzsche's arrangement as you'd imagined the
song? Or was this one of the reasons Nitzsche fled the studio when he
was meant to be producing the Blues Project’s 2nd album? :-)
I assume Jack forgave you your earlier snub with the recording of the
Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want". The UK Decca label at
least displays the credits, "Voices arranged by Jack Nitzsche", "Piano
and organ - Al Kooper". Or were the vocals laid down in a different
studio? :-)
Martin
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:20:42 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: Multiple versions
Previously:
> Can someone explain the reasoning behind a double release of the
> same song at almost the same time?
At one time, it was the SONG, not the RECORDING that was the hit and
sheet music once outsold phonograph records. Publishers, not record
companies, had the upper hand, and would work hard to get as many
artists as possible to record their songs. It wasn't odd at all for
there to be a male vocal, a female vocal, an instrumental and a
number of band versions of any popular song through the 40s.
The tide was turning in favor of the RECORDING in the early fifties.
Prior to that the "original" vs "cover" was not a big issue, as
mulitiple hit recordings of a hit song were the rule. It seems odd
to those of us who grew up in the 50s, when there was usually one
definitive hit recording, or at least an original that one could
point to as being covered.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:41:26 -0000
From: Steve Fuji
Subject: Super K Productions
I am trying to locate information on a record produced by Kasenetz/
Katz as by "The British Road Runners" called "Elevator Man." It may
have been released on Laurie records, probably in the late 60's. I
need to know the writers and publisher as I am interested in
recording a cover of the song. Any helpful info would be appreciated.
Steve Fuji
SONGTRACKS@JUNO.COM
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:00:23 -0700
From: (That) Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Bob Brass
Al K. , you would know more about Bob Brass than most, seeing you, along
with Irwin Levine and Bob, wrote one of the biggest hits of the day -
"This Diamond Ring", how did YOU write with him? Bob was a very funny
character - very complex to say the least. I loved it when he would
sit at the piano and sing "Rainy Days Were Made For Lonely People". Al,
did you write that one with him? A good friend of mine worked at the
fulton fish market, when Bob met him, he implored my friend to get him
a job there. So the next morning at about 4am, he showed up. They gave
him some hooks for the lifting of the heavy boxes and off he went. He
lasted till about 8 or 9am!!! Al, I can see you smiling from here. I
honestly can't remember writing "Coney Island Sally" with him, but who
am I to argue with the S'pop elite. When I listen to the tune, it sure
sounds llke I was spaced out along with Bob. Al, did you take part in
any of the pranks up at Larry Spier music? I heard you guys were pretty
wild. Anyway, I hope Bob's doing allright. He would`ve been great in a
Woody Allen movie. Best, That Alan
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:42:17 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Barry Mandilow & telerevisionism
Gary Myers wrote:
> I'm not sure what we are doubting, but in case this helps any: The
> original "Mandy" was "Brandy", charted by Scott English in 1972. It's
> my understanding that Clive Davis changed it to "Mandy" because of the
> other "Brandy" by Looking Glass, just a few years before Manilow did
> the song in question.
Right. In his recent Kimmell appearance, though, Manilow acted as if the
song had been named "Mandy" all along. Not a big deal, of course, and
perhaps motivated by nothing more sinister than a desire to keep his
story simple for the late-night TV audience.
--Phil M.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:49:56 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: David Gates & the Lively Set
Mikey wrote:
> Picked up an interesting 45 today on my way home from work. The 1960s
> Capitol "Swirl" label always catches my eye. It's called "Let The
> Trumpets Sound" by a group called The Lively Set (NOT the Lively Ones
> of "Surf Rider" fame). It's on Capitol 5723, orange/yellow swirl, and
> the cool thing is that the song was written by David Gates!!!! The
> flip is "The Green Years", the theme to the alfred Hitchcock movie
> "The Torn Curtain". Both sides produced by David Axlerod. From the
> matrix numbers in the deadwax, it appears "Let" is the A side. It's a
> groovy record, to be sure. Condition of my copy is almost new. So,
> anyone know anything about this 45?
Yes, I know that you need to play it to musica!
If you're able to, of course.
--Phil M.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 02:19:31 EDT
From: Paul Richards
Subject: Re: more Bobby & I
I love this album too Phil. I got a copy back in the '80's & it's
been one of my favourites ever since. Very sought after by Japanese
collectors too.
Paul
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:59:53 -0500
From: Steve Jarrell
Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove
Dave O:
> Since I've been a member of S-pop, I haven't seen any mention of
> Ronnie Dove... Just wondering if any of our contributing artists
> have ever worked with him and possibly know if he's still performing
> after all these years...
Ronnie Dove still performs. He is in the Baltimore, MD. area. He did
have a club there. I don't know if he still does or not. He still
sounds great!
teve Jarrell
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:25:08 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Early mistakes
Just to add another hand raised for losing royalties; One of my songs,
I.O.U., which was a hit here and a few other countries by Lee Greenwood,
got paid here. Then it had several covers around the world where it was
also a hit. That's the problem; that money I didn't see, so where the
hell did it go? Other countries sometimes don't feel they need to pay
you. Black box? That's one many writers go through. We are the last on
the food chain, even though we created the song. There, I feel better
to put that in here with everyone else who gets ripped off in this
business.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:38:55 -0000
From: Andy
Subject: Re: David Gates & the Lively Set
Mikey wrote:
> Picked up an interesting 45 today It's called "Let The Trumpets
> Sound" by a group called The Lively Set 5723. So, anyone know
> anything about this 45?
>From borderlinebooks/uk:
The Lively Set were from London: Tony Cartwright (bass), Norman Hale
(organ), Jim Kent (guitar) and Mitch Mitchell(drums). The group
started out backing-up Chris Stanford under the name of The Coronets.
LS released 2 singles: Don't Call My Name b/w What Kind of Love on
Pye in 1965 and the single you have in 1966. Sandford produced both
singles. My records show another title: There's Nothing Like Coffee
(straig-10206), this apeared on a recent collectors want list, if it's
the same group, i'm not sure.
andy
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:33:50 -0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: Flo and Eddie and "Paradise"
A few days ago, Martin Jensen asked whether The Ronettes' "Paradise"
had ever been issued in stereo. The known mixes of the song have
been discussed here previously, but to the best of my knowledge, it
doesn't appear in stereo on any release thus far, official or
otherwise.
Martin also asked which of their songs had been covered by Flo and
Eddie and where, and Charles Ulrich correctly identified the
original appearance of "(The Best Part of) Breakin' Up" on their
second, self-titled LP. On that release, though, it ends abruptly
and goes into a brief comedy bit before returning to the ending and
fade. The full track can be heard in all its continuous glory on
their 3-LP Rhino set "The History of Flo & Eddie and The Turtles."
Dunno whether the uninterrupted version has made it to CD. Anyone?
David A. Young
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:21:55 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Originals; pay-NO-la
Phil M.:
> Arnold Rypens' indispensable "The Originals" website
> http://www.originals.be/eng/main.cfm?c=titel_lis
This is fantastic! Thank you - never heard of it before.
Phil again:
> I suppose the line between promotion and payola occurs when the
> promoter expects -- and receives -- a significant amount of
> additional airplay in exchange for his donations, whatever their
> form.
True - a line I'm proud to say we knowingly never crossed. (Jim
Shannon can back me up; we were at the same radio station.)
Obviously, being freeform, I couldn't be inside everyone's head or
playlist every minute, but we did have the respect of the trade as
being straight shooters when it came to what we were doing. (We
actually even threw out a promo guy once for trying that stuff!)
When you're doing what you do for love, musical freedom and $145 a
week take home (about $500 in today's money), you're not going to
let some jerk mess up your trip.
Country Paul
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:43:16 -0700
From: Michael Coxe
Subject: The Embers / O'Kaysions watcher
Steve Jarrell wrote:
> You might find the answer to the O'Kaysions album by reaching Donnie
> Weaver. He was the original lead singer of the N.C. group. He has
> just joined the Embers band from Raleigh, N.C. They should have a
> web page.
Wow, the early Embers with Jackie Gore on vocals, circa 1962-68 was a
mightily hot band, or combo as we called groups then. Those long
out-of-print early lps - Roll 11, Just for the Birds & Burn You A New
One - were outstanding (all on Jimmy Capps JCP label; sure those tapes
are long, long gone). They did opening acts slots for both the Beach
Boys and the Rolling Stones, tho they got the RS date wrong on their
website. Twas 1966, not 68 - I was there ;>. The Shirelles were the
middle act and kicked the Stones behinds that night.
And speaking of Carolina groups, I see the Kays are still around as a
Beach Music oldies act. Their 60's incarnation was outa-site live.
- michael
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:35:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike the Bass Player
Subject: Re: Multiple versions
Al Kooper:
> Now that I've had a bacxkwards think, the wackiest were the black
> versus white records with Pat Boone & Georgia Gibbs kicking Fats
> Domino, Little Richard and Etta James' asses. No justice in the
> Naked City.
I would say the most blatant and unfair example of that is the Chords
vs. Crew Cuts on ShBoom. No contest which was better, from a view of
40+ years later ;-) The Chords "meant it" whereas the Crew Cuts
sounded like an ivy league glee club.
Mike
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:53:24 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove
Ronnie Dove appeared last year with Bobby Vee and others at a show
near his hometown in Maryland. Apparently he also does a radio show
there. Here is a news clip from the site put up by the town of Harford:
"Finally, has anyone noticed the lineup of guests who have appeared
recently on "The Ronnie Dove Show" on WHFC-FM (91.1)? Brenda Lee,
Johnny Tillotson, Bobby Vee, Mel Carter, Billy Joe Royal and Dolly
Parton are just some of the talented folks who have dropped by or
called in thus far. Ronnie's kicking around the idea of bringing some
of his old friends together for an oldies concert at Harford Community
College sometime during 2003. "The Ronnie Dove Show" airs Monday
nights at 8:00 on WHFC-FM."
Bob Celli
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:41:21 EDT
From: Howard Earnshaw
Subject: Re: O'Kaysions Watcher - Seen!
markt439:
> The O'Kaysions, the group that did the soul pop classic "I'm A Girl
> Watcher," recorded an LP for Cotillion (the Atlantic subsidiary).
> Does anyone know if it was ever released? It was given a label number,
> but I've never seen it or heard of anyone having it.
'Girl Watcher' (B. Trail-W Pittman)was released in the the UK on the
Stateside label c/w 'Deal Me In' (Wayne Pittman) -- SS2126 (20/09/68),
Amercan release is credited to ABC (North Sate Music).
cheers.. Howard
p.s.. recently seen this performed on DVD, don't know which show it was
pulled from though.
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:18:41 +0200
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: Re: Bobby & I - Corbetta/Corbitt
Clark Besch a écrit:
> Never heard of Bobby & I, but the song you played is GREAT!! If
> Jefferson Airplane ever did this kinda stuff, they could have
> sounded like this!! On the boy/girl duo thing, this reminds me of
> a cool 45 and Lp by Janey (Schramm) & Dennis (Pereca) on Warner
> Brothers from 1970. Produced by Jerry Corbetta of Sugarloaf fame
> in 1970 on Reprise records. "Northern Boy", the 45 from the Lp,
> was very different and very good vocal song. The duo also wrote
> all the songs. Anyone know more about them or wanna hear "Northern
> Boy"?? Again, thanks Phil for that great musical addition!! Clark
The Janey & Dennis Lp was in fact produced by... Jerry Corbitt, of
Youngbloods fame :0) Their LP contains some good songs, but IMHO
they all tend to sound the same.
Stephane
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:30:02 +0100
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: Re: O'Kaysions watcher
I have the O'Kaysions 'Girl Watcher' album. It is a regular issue. A
number of them landed in the Tandy stores in the Uk and got sold off
cheap about 20+ years ago. Album is nice, but doesn't quite match
the class of the title track.
Kingsley
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:02:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove
Dave........How ya' doin'? In 1966, I wrote "Wish I Didn't Have a Heart",
which Ronnie Dove recorded on an album. Unfortunately, I didn't have any
personal contact with him.
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/
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