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There are 19 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Early mistakes
From: Michael Fishberg
2. Re: Love Of The Common People / Finbarr
From: Ken Silverwood
3. Barbara McNair swearing / Egyptian Shumba
From: Will Stos
4. Re: Waddle Waddle
From: Bill George
5. The Water Is Over Eddie Hodges' Head
From: John Berg
6. Re: Timothy redux
From: Gary Myers
7. Re: Early mistakes
From: Michael Fishberg
8. Re: Early mistakes
From: Michael Fishberg
9. Agnetha Faltskog: When you walk in the room
From: Peter Lerner
10. Multiple versions / White vs. Black versions
From: Richard Globman
11. Re: Americanized Bossa Nova
From: Brent
12. Re: Multiple versions
From: Chuck Limmer
13. Bad puns and more
From: Country Paul
14. Re: Ronnie Dove
From: Mike McKay
15. Re: Halos to Musica
From: Mike McKay
16. Nancy Sinatra in Edinburgh
From: Frank M.
17. The Water Is Over Jack Nitzsche's Head
From: Al Kooper
18. what I like about "What I Like About You"
From: Phil X Milstein
19. Ronald Reagan
From: S'pop Team
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:58:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Fishberg
Subject: Re: Early mistakes
Joe Nelson:
> Strangely, I was always under the impression songwriting was "the
> thing", because your royalty payments were set in stone legally (i.e.
> not negotiable) and that writers weren't getting hit with the kind of
> recoupments that recording artists get screwed with. Now it turns out
> not even that works??? But I've been thankful too, mostly that I never
> made it and never put my family in that kind of jeopardy.
I would highly recommend a book called ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE
MUSIC BUSINESS by Donald L. Passman (Simon & Schuster 2002). A
revelation!
Michael Fishberg
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:43:34 +0100
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: Love Of The Common People / Finbarr
Previously:
> "Well, I am quite partial to Sandy Posey's version (of "Love Of The
> Commonon People") on one of her MGM albums, and didn't the Everlys
> do it? And I have a 45 of the song by The Rainbows on Capitol 2175,
> which must also be late 60s.
Right, the Everlys did it on Sept 17 th 1967, according to the info
I'm reading, and it was a US single release. I do like that reggae
version though.
> Loads of other really good stuff for spectroppers in his catalogue
> I'd say. Send SAE (or International reply coupons) for his catalogue,
> there are lots of great CD's at good prices on it: FINBARR
> INTERNATIONAL (CD DEPT), Folkestone, Kent CT20 2QQ, UK.
Let me add my voice to the others praising this source. I also have
dealt with them for many years and have been able to fill many gaps in
my collection by obtaining deleted stuff and others I was not aware
were available. Just one word though, no credit cards.
> There's a line in that song that even to this day sounds just like
> Tom Jones to me.
Is it "I can't choose, nothing to lose, my loves to/still strong, whoah!!"
Ken On The West Coast
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:09:30 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Barbara McNair swearing / Egyptian Shumba
Hi group,
I just bought a couple of new cds (well, new to me anyway), including
the Ultimate Collection by Barbara McNair and Girls Go Zonk - which
are superb - and I have some questions for the experts.
1) On Barbara's version of "My Guy," does she swear? It sounded to me
like she made a mistake and came in for another verse when there was
an instrumental break. Then it sounds like she swears and sighs. I'm
I just hearing voices again : ) or was this not edited out? It was an
unreleased track, so it wouldn't completely surprise me, but it still
seems strange.
2) A couple of years ago Michael "Doc Rock" Kelly was kind enough to
send me a mix tape with "Egyptian Shumba" by the Tammys on it. I
haven't listened to it in a long time, and when I heard the version
on Girls Go Zonk it sounded almost identical. Was it just a slightly
different vocal take? Hoe similar does it sound to the Lou Christie
and the Tammys' cd comp?
Will : )
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:28:55 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Waddle Waddle
Does the lead vocal on the Bracelets' "Waddle, Waddle" remind anyone
else of early Jackie DeShannon?
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:05:47 EDT
From: John Berg
Subject: The Water Is Over Eddie Hodges' Head
Since Eddie Hodges has again come up, does anyone in Spectropop land
know how he came to cut Shadows And Reflections? What was the B side
to that single? And as it appears to be his final 45 release, what
happened to him after that?
John Berg
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:57:10 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Timothy redux
Very interesting story on the Buoys' "Timothy", etc., but it does
raise one more question:
> When Bill Buchanan, DJ at WBAX in Wilkes-Barre, became their manager
Is this the same Bill Buchanan of Buchanan & Goodman?
gem
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Fishberg
Subject: Re: Early mistakes
Austin Roberts wrote:
> Just to add another hand raised for losing royalties; One of my songs,
> I.O.U., which was a hit here and a few other countries by Lee Greenwood,
> got paid here. Then it had several covers around the world where it was
> also a hit. That's the problem; that money I didn't see, so where the
> hell did it go? Other countries sometimes don't feel they need to pay
> you. Black box? That's one many writers go through. We are the last on
> the food chain, even though we created the song. There, I feel better
> to put that in here with everyone else who gets ripped off in this
> business.
Why not contact the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society in London
and Bureau Internationale Editions Mechaniques in Paris to trace who
recorded your songs. It's in both your interests as 1. they get a cut
of the mechanicals and 2. so do you! They all liaise with each other.
Worth a try anyway.
Michael Fishberg
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:56:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Fishberg
Subject: Re: Early mistakes
Gary Myers:
> IIRC, Nancy Sinatra once said in an interview that one piece of early
> advice that her dad gave her was "Own your own masters."
Yes, but who owned the publishing rights? At one time Sinatra's stuff
was handled by Jeffrey Kruger's Florida Music in the UK. How come?
Michael Fishberg
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:04:18 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Agnetha Faltskog: When you walk in the room
A few weeks ago we discussed Agnetha Faltskog's new album, "My
Colouring Book". I raved about it and so did others. It's
interesting to note that Jackie DeShannon similarly raves about
Agnetha's cover of her own "When you walk in the room", on her
own website at http://www.jackiedeshannon.com saying she is "so
excited" about it. "I think it is the best ever. The production
is so amazing. I almost jumped out of my skin. I hope you will
all pick up a copy of her new CD". As always, Jackie is SO right.
Peter
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:07:20 -0700
From: Richard Globman
Subject: Multiple versions / White vs. Black versions
Al Kooper SED:
> Now that I've had a bacxkwards think, the wackiest were the black
> versus white records with Pat Boone & Georgia Gibbs kicking Fats
> Domino, Little Richard and Etta James' asses. No justice in the
> Naked City.
I'm sure that other list members more knowledgeable than me can come
up with zillions of other examples. I certainly remember "Sh Boom"
and how the (gag) Crew Cuts almost destroyed The Chords' masterpiece.
Strangely enough, the only 50's-60's example I can think of where a
black group covered a white song...and beat it...was "Be Young, Be
Foolish, Be Happy"...first recorded by the Sensational Epics in about
1965 and covered by The Tams in 1968.
I remember a scene from the movie "American Hot Wax" where Alan Freed
said that he always played the original black versions and refused
to play the white cover versions.
DICKYG
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:13:41 -0000
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Americanized Bossa Nova
Joe Foster:
> ....and I have both Wanda de Sah and The Carnival coming up, if
> that helps! www.revola.co.uk I especially like Triste Janero....
> some kids from Texas who should have had a garage band, but
> wanted to be Brasil '66.....I just love the insane ambition of it
> .... it works though!
Hi Joe, any info on why The Carnival's version of Jeffrey
Comanor's "A Famous Myth" is called "One Bright Night" on the
record's label?
Also, any chance of the Groop's Bell LP coming out on CD?
Mike Callahan (awhile back) interviewed a former member of the
group, er...band. I asked if it ever came out in '69 or '70, and
he was kind enough to e mail me back to tell me he was pretty
sure (not completely, though) it did. Maybe somebody in S'pop
land has it.
Best wishes,
Brent
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:17:02 -0700
From: Chuck Limmer
Subject: Re: Multiple versions
Al Kooper wrote:
> Now that I've had a backwards think, the wackiest were the black
> versus white records with Pat Boone & Georgia Gibbs kicking Fats
> Domino, Little Richard and Etta James' asses. No justice in the
> Naked City.
On this theme, let's not forget the Crew Cuts, whose version of the
Chords' "Sh-Boom" went to #1 on the pop charts in 1954, and regularly
gets included on short lists of contenders for the First Rock 'n'
Roll Song. Talk about no justice...
Chuck Limmer
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:41:12 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Bad puns and more
Al Kooper:
> I do remember corrupting Eydie's record and singing to close friends:
> "Blame it on your Jewish Mother!!!".
I like that version better, Al....
(Anyone remember that great Herman's Hermits song, "She's A Muscular
Boy"? And do these start another thread???)
Al again:
> How about a thread of famous cover battles ?????
To start - and end about this song - previously discussed here at length
was the Garry Mills vs. Garry Miles "Look For A Star" duel. It doesn't
get much closer than that!
Phil M., great find re: "Timothy." (It puts all the "redux" in a row!)
Martin Roberts:
> Gary Crosby's Gregmark release, "That's Alright Baby" is playing on
> the home page, http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
> The label maybe of more interest than the music but check it out!
Fascinating - Phil wrote this?!? Definitely from the Vegas Lounge School
of Rock - but cool to have in the collection for what it is. Thanks!
Gotta investigate all the Nancy Sinatra links a bit later....
Country Paul
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:00:04 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove
Dave O' wrote:
> Since I've been a member of S-pop, I haven't seen any mention of
> Ronnie Dove. Judging by the 11 top forty hits and some 20 songs in
> the Hot 100, he had (has) a pretty good base of fans. I always
> thought he had very catchy tunes and a wonderful voice, especially
> the way he hit the high notes in songs like "Right or Wrong". I have
> his "Sings the Hits for You" Lp and for me, the highlight of that
> album is his rendition of Someday (You'll Want Me to Want You).
> Possibly a favorite obscure track? Just wondering if any of our
> contributing artists have ever worked with him and possibly know if
> he's still performing after all these years. Seems like he was able
> to compete and hold his own on the charts, especially in that
> aforementioned record-breaking year of 1965. Looking forward to your
> comments.
I passed this along to a friend of mine, who was a longtime resident
of the Baltimore area (Ronnie's home base as well). Here's her reply:
"Ronnie is still performing and has an active fan club. My ex-husband
worked with him when we were married. You should be able to find his
schedule and other info at his website http://www.RonnieDove.com
Incidentally, his female fans still swoon and he still hits the high
notes on 'Right Or Wrong' which I find pretty amazing! He really puts
on a good show and certainly has a loyal fan base here and in Canada."
Mike
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:21:08 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Halos to Musica
Clark Besch wrote:
> Well, there was plenty of room on Musica and I decided to "unvacate"
> some of it. Now playing for Dusty or Flirtations (of fans of that
> sound_ fans, "Just Keep On Loving Me" by the Halos on Congress from
> mid 65, if I remember correctly. I first heard this cool record
> from a friend's radio tape off WLS in Chicago. I tracked down the
> artist from a radio chart from California and then hunted down the
> 45. They had at least 3 or 4 45s on Congress. I am not sure who the
> Halos were, but they had a great sound on this one.
According to John Clemente, The Halos are The Angels minus Peggy
Santiglia. I located this single by sheer chance many many years ago,
and I've always enjoyed it -- and also dig the flip side, "Do I," a
tough sub-two-minute rocker.
Mike
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:39:00 +0100
From: Frank M.
Subject: Nancy Sinatra in Edinburgh
Previously:
> For more details about the album check out http://www.nancysinatra.com
> There´s also a duet album in the can called "To Nancy, with Love".
> Produced by Brit-Pop legend Morrissey and featuring a bunch of
> contemporary artists. It´s gonna be released this summer. Does anybody
> attend her concert in London btw?
I saw Nancy on her first UK gig in Edinburgh was it two years ago at The
Liquid rooms. About 500 people from seven to seventy were packed in for a
fun evening of great American sixties pop. She had an excellent band and
they played for two hours covering most of the tunes you would want to hear.
It was filmed by the BBC. Nancy included some clips of her own fims
projected on to a large screen and big cheers went up when Elvis (Speedway)
and Peter Fonda (The Wild Angels) appeared. The audience had a good time
and Nancy appeared to be having a great night out. I think this was her
first UK live appearance certainly the first one in more han thirty years.
Here's a professional review:
http://www.edinburghguide.com/festival/2002/fringe/review_music.php?page=n
and here's another viewpoint:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/edinburgh2002/story/0,12262,774439,00.html
and another:
http://www.edinburghfestivals.co.uk/reviews.cfm?id=886322002&genre=Music
FrankM
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:59:34 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: The Water Is Over Jack Nitzsche's Head
Martin Roberts:
> The lyrics seem to be a contradiction of the uptempo tone of the song.
> (Likewise with "Rag Man".) Who wrote them, you, Irwin or both? Did you
> record a demo and was Nitzsche's arrangement as you'd imagined the
> song? Or was this one of the reasons Nitzsche fled the studio when he
> was meant to be producing the Blues Project's 2nd album? :-)
>
> I assume Jack forgave you your earlier snub with the recording of the
> Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want". The UK Decca label at
> least displays the credits, "Voices arranged by Jack Nitzsche", "Piano
> and organ - Al Kooper". Or were the vocals laid down in a different
> studio? :-)
The Water Is Over My Head was lyrically a Kooper-Levine experience based
on many Dylanisms - "my paper doll princess just walked out of the door,
taking nothing more than me...." We did do a demo, but it was extremely
basic - just a coupla guitars and two vocals - got the point across and
faded out. All the arrangements on each cover are unique in their own
ways (Rockin Berries, Tokens, Hodges).
The Old Rag Man was written with Bob Brass as well and covered by Freddie
Cannon and The Rascals (first album-unreleased, damn it!) So Bob & Irwin
wrote the words and I wrote the music. Also a piano-vocal demo.
I did NOT snub Jack N. Danny Kalb hated Jack's direction, Danny being a
blues purist. And Danny was the leader of the band. Jack gave us "Wild
Thing" before it was ever out and we turned it down.
On You Can't Always Get What You Want, I played on the basic session,
piano & organ. A year later, Jagger sent me the tape to put horns on it
and all they kept was my french horn intro (just as well - horn session
did not pan out well) Jack was at none of those sessions. So our paths
never crossed on the Stones sketch.
Hope this helps, Martin...
Al Kooper
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:26:58 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: what I like about "What I Like About You"
Just when you thought it was safe to turn the TV audio on again, along
comes the 4,527th commercial with The Romantics' "What I Like About You"
on its soundtrack. The song was a fine enough slice of power-pop pie
when it first came out in the late '70s -- hellfire, I even bought a
copy -- and was even a refreshing jolt the first six or seven hundred
times I heard it used on a ballgame P.A., ad soundtrack, or whathaveyou,
but ... ENOUGH ALREADY! What is it with this freakin' record, and how
can advertising managers fail to recognize its gross overuse by now?
I have to imagine that, much as how the film "It's a Wonderful Life"
came to be rediscovered, somebody forgot to submit the song when its
copyright came due for renewal, causing it to lapse into the public
domain and allowing unlimited reuse free of charge. And please shoot me
if I ever have to hear the damn thing again.
--Phil M.
P.S. Is it as overexposed elsewhere as it is in the U.S.?
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:41:13 +0100
From: S'pop Team
Subject: Ronald Reagan
Today sees the funeral of Ronald Reagan. And how does this statement
in any way qualify as on-topic, you may wonder. Visit David A.
Young's "Please Phil Spector: His Subjects Pay Homage - Part 7: What
Was The Question?", scroll down to the ninth item on the list, and
all will be revealed: http://www.spectropop.com/PPS/PPSpart7.htm
Furthermore, the track in question is currently playing @ musica:
http://tinyurl.com/26xzy
R.I.P.
The S'pop Team
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