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There are 23 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: John Braheny / Pete Records
From: Frank Jastfelder
2. Re: Early Simon & Garfunkel / Tom & Jerry
From: Joe Nelson
3. Re: Ray Charles
From: Gary Myers
4. Re: Glen Campbell
From: Gary Myers
5. 24 Sycamore
From: Phil X Milstein
6. Re: Glen's world fell down
From: Richard Havers
7. Re: Americanized Bossa Nova
From: Frank Jastfelder
8. Songwriters 1940s-1960s
From: Alan Ackerman
9. Re: Overplayed on ads
From: Craig Davison
10. Wendy Hill Remix
From: Mikey
11. Question(s) for Al Kooper
From: Brent
12. "Words Of Love" versions / The Mamas and the Papas
From: Rodney Rawlings
13. Re: 24 Sycamore
From: Austin Powell
14. Julius LaRosa; Searchers________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:56:58 +0200
From: Frank Jastfelder
Subject: Re: John Braheny / Pete Records
Country Paul:
> Wow - miss S'pop for three days and amazing people show up! John
> (Braheny), welcome to the group. Thanks to Spectropop, some of my f
> avorite artists who I thought disappeared back into the woodwork of
> the real world have been showing up in my life... Is Rick Cunha
> still around? If so, is he still involved with music? (I loved
> Cunha & Dawson's "Yoyo Man" - got the 45.) I also have a version of
> "Warm," also a Pete 45, by Carol Stromme - although I find her
> rendition a bit "overheated." Who is/was she, please? Also, noticing
> I own quite a few releases on Pete, could you pass along some more
> information on who Pete was/is, please? ...
Iīd like to know more about Pete records too. I got an LP by Gogi Grant
(ca. 1968) on it and just won a LP by Carol Stromme on ebay. All I know
is that the label was owned by the Petersen Company, Hollywood CA. The
labels adress was 8451 Melrose Avenue. Since the co-producer is one
Chris Petersen, I assume heīs the guy behind the company. (hence the
PETE records name) L.A. keyboard player Lincoln Mayorga is also strongly
involved. He arranged, conducted and co-produced the Gogi LP which has
with "The Magic Of People" (co-written by Lincoln Mayorga) at least one
brilliant "60s Now Sound Sunshine Pop" song on it. Given that her career
was over for 10 years Gogi sounds incredibly good. She even gives the
Airplanes "Somebody To Love" a shot. But to be honest she should have
left this repertoire to Mrs. Miller. Anyway, Iīm eager to hear the Carol
Stromme record. Itīs titled The Soft Sound of... mmh, very promising.
Does anony know more about the background of the label.? Whoīs Chris
Petersen?
Frank J
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:39:11 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Early Simon & Garfunkel / Tom & Jerry
Previously:
> Is anybody here deeply involved in discographies about S&G early years
> and can shed some light on Tom Lacey and Jerry Dacey that appeared as
> writers (and artists ???) on the following two early releases:
>
> September 1962 / Tom & Jerry / US 45 ABC-Paramount 10363 / Surrender,
> Please Surrender (S. Prosen - T. Layton - J. Dacey) Village Music Co
> BMI / Fightin' Mad (S. Prosen - T. Layton - J. Dacey) Village Music Co
> BMI. Note: Probably not cut by Jerry Landis and Art Graph, but by Tom
> Layton and Jerry Darcey for Sid Prosen 1963 / Tom & Jerry / US 45 Ember
> 1094 / UK 45 Pye International (May 1963) / I'm Lonesome (S. Prosen-T.
> Layton-J. Darcey) Village Mus Co BMI / Looking At You (L. Austin)
> Village Mus Co BMI / both: Sid Prosen Productions. Probably not cut by
> Jerry Landis and Art Graph, but by Tom Layton and Jerry Darcey for Sid
> Prosen .
Two totally different acts. S&G were using the persona of Tom Graph
(Garfunkel) and Jerry Landis (Simon) in the late 50's. There was also
a third Tom and Jerry, consisting of guitarists Tom Tomlinson (Johnny
Horton's lead guitarist) and Jerry Kennedy (later a staff producer at
Mercury Nashville) that did a couple of instrumental albums for
Mercury in the early 60's. Assuming that's all of them, S&G were the
only ones who adopted unique stage names in order to appear
professionally as Tom and Jerry.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:39:06 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Ray Charles
Dan Hughes:
> (Ray Charles) said he started as a Nat Cole clone, on purpose, because
> it got him nightclub jobs ...he woke up one morning and suddenly
> realized that nobody knew his name.
I also recall a story that Ronnie Milsap began as a Ray Charles imitator.
Someone took Ray in to hear Milsap in a club and, on the break, Ray told
Milsap he was good but he should be himself.
gem
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:30:53 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Glen Campbell
Country Paul:
> (Glen) Campbell has had more different incarnations than almost any
> artist I know of ...
Including his stint with the Champs and his excellent first chart single,
the original "Turn Around, Look At Me".
gem
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:05:21 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: 24 Sycamore
We recently discussed the Gene Pitney/Wayne Fontana song "24 Sycamore"
here. Alas, the budget-line Pitney compilation I have neglects to credit
the song's writer(s). Can someone fill in that info for me?
--Phil M. (who grew up at 51 Sycamore)
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:49:28 +0100
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Glen's world fell down
Mike:
> I could maybe believe that's him singing on the chorus, but on the
> verse? Al, do you (or does anyone else) have a cite in which Campbell
> directly discusses this and states that it's him singing the verses of
> "My World Fell Down"? If I see one, I guess I'll finally give in and
> believe it. But only reluctantly ...
I just asked Bruce Johnston and this was his answer.....
No Terry Melcher.... Glen Campbell on lead...Curt Becher and Bruce
filling out the other voices. I was standing right next to Glen when he
was singing.
Best
Richard
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:11:18 +0200
From: Frank Jastfelder
Subject: Re: Americanized Bossa Nova
Previously:
> ...any info on why The Carnival's version of Jeffrey Comanor's "A
> Famous Myth" is called "One Bright Night" on the record's label?
Frank J:
> On my copy of the original Carnival record itīs called "A Famous
> Myth" on the backcover and on the label. Or do you mean the CD
> reissue?
Brent:
> Yep, I checked again (the original vinyl) and my label has "One
> Bright Night" as the 1st song on Side 2 (the cover does have it as
> "A Famous Myth" though). I'm not much of a matrix nut, but side 2 is
> WPS 21894-2RE #, then a faint 8-28-69. Maybe this was one of those
> "Eight Arms To Hold You" moments in record labels...
Though this is getting very anorak now I want you to know that my copy
has exact the same numbers inscribed. Only the date is different with
8-27-69. Anyway what embarrasses me more is the fact that they
mispelled Jeffrey Comanorīs name to Camanor. This not only on the label
but also on the backcover.
Frank J
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:06:45 -0000
From: Alan Ackerman
Subject: Songwriters 1940s-1960s
I would like to hear from the songwriters in this group who may have
some stories to share about the likes of Ben Raleigh, Buddy Kaye, Bob
Hilliard, Benny Benjamin, Roy Alfred, Mack David et al. These guys
had "old-time" hits in the 1940s and yet made the transition to the
new sound in the 1960s and, in some cases, created some classics of
the latter period.
Alan Ackerman
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:34:27 -0000
From: Craig Davison
Subject: Re: Overplayed on ads
A couple of others that got 'way too much play:
Seemed like back in the 'seventies every muffler shop or pizzaria
thought using a really muddy-sounding needle-drop of "Nobody Does It
Better" was a genius move.
How many commercials in the 'eighties used "Stand By Me?" It seemed
like they ALL did!!!
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:46:57 -0000
From: Mikey
Subject: Wendy Hill Remix
Ok Folks, I'm sorry, I could not resist......I had to Remix The Wendy
Hill "Gary, Please Dont Sell" tune to restore the full intro. It's not
perfect, but I think it's better than what we had with the clipped
intro. One thing blew me away....the Wendy Hill was STEREO!!!!
Tightly mixed stereo, but stereo nonetheless. Was the 45 a stereo
single?? I have now uploaded it to Musica. If you D/L it, please
take the time to tell me what you think, good or bad. It will help me
get better as an editor. Thanks!!
Mikey
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:18:09 -0000
From: Brent
Subject: Question(s) for Al Kooper
Hi Mr. Kooper,
Earlier you wrote that "The Old Rag Man" was recorded by The Rascals,
but unreleased. Did you get to check it out and do you have any good
Rascals stories?
Also, I read you played on S&G's "Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Thyme" LP,
correct? If so, which songs?
I can't add anything new to what's been written about your achievements,
but I will say that I can't listen to "No Time Like The Right Time" in
the car because I'd probably get stopped for speeding.
Glad you've survived the music biz and you're still with us.
Best wishes,
Brent
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:02:30 -0000
From: Rodney Rawlings
Subject: "Words Of Love" versions / The Mamas and the Papas
When the Mamas and the Papas first came out with WORDS OF LOVE, I'm
pretty sure there were horns prominent in the arrangement (i.e.,
trumpets I think, not actual "horns"). However, when I later bought
an album, it seemed like a different recording because I missed the
horns. And ever since then, I have never heard that first version
again.
Was there an early version of the record that is no longer put on
albums or played on the radio? I was living in Montreal when I first
heard the song, if that's relevant.
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:43:12 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Re: 24 Sycamore
Phil M. (who grew up at 51 Sycamore):
> We recently discussed the Gene Pitney/Wayne Fontana song "24
> Sycamore" here. Alas, the budget-line Pitney compilation I have
> neglects to credit the song's writer(s). Can someone fill in that
> info for me?
It was a British song, written by Les Reed and Barry Mason (UK pub,
Donna Music - named after Reed's daughter, I think). The two also
wrote for Tom Jones and many others.
Austin P
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:20:18 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Julius LaRosa; Searchers [Three Coins...] also charted for Sinatra and for Julius La Rosa (and
> when's the last time you heard that name?)
Here, a few months ago!
Mike McKay:
> While it's usually assumed that the "original," American version of a
> song covered by a Brit will be superior, that's not always the case.
> For example, Barbara Lewis's "Someday We're Gonna Love Again" and The
> Orlons' "Don't Throw Your Love Away" are both enjoyable, but The
> Searchers' treatment of both is incredibly creative, and superior, in
> my view.
I'm usually a big original-versions fan myself, but I agree with you on
these two. (However, IMO they didn't live up to the Drifters' "Sweets
For My Sweet," which I mention because I've been thinking about that
Drifters era lately - "Some Kind of Wonderful," "Lonely Winds," etc.)
Country Paul
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Overplayed songs in commercials
In my mind, the most overplayed song in TV commercials nowadays is
"Lust For Life" by Iggy Pop. It has led to the satirical Onion
headline "Citibank To Use Song About Heroin In New Ad Campaign."
My favorite current use is the Disney cruise commercial that shows a
girl playing the song on a boombox in her classroom as the soundtrack
for showing her vacation video for show and tell. Wonder what the
teacher thought when they got to the line about "beatin' my brain
with liquor and drugs"...?
David
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:34:54 +0200
From: Frank Jastfelder
Subject: Brian and Lee in London next month
Just read about the Heroes & Villains Festival at the Royal Festival
Hall in London next month. The line up might be of interest for some
of you Sīpoppers out there.
The full line up is:
* Brian Wilson (July 24, 25, 27, 28, 30 and 31)
* Spiritualized + Pere Ubu and David Viner (August 1)
* Air (3)
* Lee Hazlewood + Morcheeba (4)
* Badly Drawn Boy (6 and 7)
Since Iīve seen both Brian and Lee already at this very venue I wonīt
attend their shows. All you others have fun!
Frank J
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:35:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: What I Like About You
Has anyone ever heard the 1966 recording "Where You Gonna Go?" by
the Unrelated Segments? It's available on CD, and in many ways is
a blueprint for the Romantics recording. That at least brings this
discussion into the Spectropop era.
David
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:41:16 -0000
From: Al Wagenaar
Subject: Re: Glen's world fell down
Mike:
> I could maybe believe that's him singing on the chorus, but on the
> verse? Al, do you (or does anyone else) have a cite in which Campbell
> directly discusses this and states that it's him singing the verses
> of "My World Fell Down"? If I see one, I guess I'll finally give in
> and believe it. But only reluctantly ...
Stephen McParland covers this well in his Gary Usher books. To quote:
Gary Usher: I tried to sing the song (My World Fell Down), but just
couldnt get it right, so I asked, "Glen, my lead is just not right,
Would you sing it for me?. Glen replied, "Sure Ush." It took him 20
seconds to learn the lead. he's just that quick.
Hope that helps...Al Wagenaar
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:14:02 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: John Braheny / Pete Records
Frank Jastfelder:
> I got an LP by Gogi Grant (ca. 1968) ... She even gives the Airplanes'
> "Somebody To Love" a shot.
A good friend and kb player (with whom I gig every Tuesday) recently
backed Gogi Grant (and others) on a show. Although she sounded great
in her day, I guess she doesn't anymore. He said she was quite flat.
gem
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:11:53 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Eden Kane
If the Eden Kane release is on Prestige, there's a strong likelyhood
that they will not be the originals, rather they will be re-recordings
.....My apologies to that label if in this case I'm wrong, but past
evidence suggests I'm right.
Austin P
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:00:31 -0000
From: Julio Niņo
Subject: Boy Trouble CD
Hola Everybody.
I've just received ACE's new incursion in the GG territory, this time
with Alec Palao as Cicerone: "Boy Trouble", a compilation of tracks
from the vaults of Gary S. Paxton, many of them previously unreleased.
The collection is wonderful, full of surprises and effervescent sixties
pop.
I like a lot the unreleased Rev-Lons' tracks (the compilation also
includes a 1963 song by the group, "Love Canīt Be a One Way Deal" that
reminds me a little bit of Carol Vega's "One Little Thing"). I also
love Mary Saenz's songs and the surprising version of Carole King's
"Road To Nowhere" by Beverly Williams, but my absolute favorite is the
very Northern Soulie "Losing Control" by The Fashionettes (according to
Alec's interesting liner notes, they also released a version of Jackie
DeShannon's "Day Dreaming of You", on GNP Crescendo, which I would love
to listen to).
Chao.
Julio Niņo.
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:41:24 -0000
From: Sean
Subject: Re: Boys Cry
There's a 1967 version of "Boys Cry" by UK band Particular People.
See Here: http://tinyurl.com/39w5m
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:54:10 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Carole King's "So Goes Love"
Don:
> Besides the Turtles, The Monkees and Shirley Abicair, "So
> Goes Love" was also done The Reigning Sound and Dave Berry.
> I thought I read somewhere that John Walker of the Walker
> Brothers did this song too, but I've never been able to
> find it.
Don't forget about me, says a voice from afar. Indeed, let's not
overlook the most interesting version of "So Goes Love", Carole
King's original demo. Now, a treat; that very track is playing
@ musica: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Obviously, Shirley Abicair (sigh) followed Carole's demo quite
closely - lovely song. Thanks to Mike Carter for supplying this
rarity. Does anyone else have any Carole King acetates they'd
care to share? Fat chance, but you gotta ask! Without such
things, I'd be a man without a dream.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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