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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
From: Martin Roberts
2. Re: Found - my cache of acetates ! !
From: JJ
3. Re: "Witchy Tai To"
From: Steve Harvey
4. Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone"
From: Roy Clough
5. Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone"
From: Don
6. Re: "Witchy Tai To"
From: Gary Myers
7. Help With Song / Band ID
From: Mike Dugo
8. Re: Marlon Brando and his influence on pop music
From: ACJ
9. This Diamond Demo
From: Al Kooper
10. RIP - Jimmie Arnold
From: Gary Myers
11. Re: "Witchy Tai To"
From: Frank Jastfelder
12. Re: This Diamond Demo / Hansel in Sīpop
From: Julio Niņo
13. Eddie Hodges / Jerry Cole
From: Gary Myers
14. Re: "Witchy Tai To" / For the love of Mike (& Buzz) Clifford
From: Bob Rashkow
15. Jack Nitzsche and Sylvie Simmons, help wanted
From: Martin Roberts
16. Re: Marlon Brando and his influence on pop music
From: Andrew Hickey
17. Re: New Lime
From: Ron
18. Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone"
From: Andy
19. Re: Found - my cache of acetates ! !
From: Artie Wayne
20. Marlon Brando and his influence on pop music
From: Artie Wayne
21. Re: "Witchy Tai To" / Wisconsin
From: Gary Myers
22. Re: For the love of Mike Clifford
From: Alan Warner
23. Re: Carole King demos
From: Rodney Rawlings
24. Re: Carole King demos
From: Bill George
25. Re: This Diamond Demo, etc, etc
From: Phil X Milstein
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:40:22 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
The first part of 'The Eddie Hodges Story' (he writes, pompously)
is on the home page. The track playing to accompany the Record of
the Week featurette is "Too Soon To Know", produced by Terry
Melcher and arranged by Jack Nitzsche. Give it a listen:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
The ROTW archive has now been given its own pages on the site.
Accessed from the main menu and with label scans it's now far more
colourful. Apologies to those still viewing in black and white:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/pastrotw.htm
Martin
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:34:17 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Re: Found - my cache of acetates ! !
(That) Alan Gordon wrote:
> Al the "K" , funny you should mention old acetates. I've got about
> 40 myself. My son bought me a cd to cd sony deck for my birthday.
> So I'm gonna TRY to transfer the demos onto cds. Al, you're not
> planning a trip to Arizona this summer are you??? I'd love some of
> those old demos, even the bad ones. What dreams went into each
> session, and some even came true.
+ they smell so gooood! lol!
JJ/Sweden
ps SERIOUSLY, I love the scent coming fr these old acetates.........
anyone else sharing this opinion?
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:25:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: "Witchy Tai To"
(That) Alan Gordon wrote:
> ...let the "Witchy Tai To " threads begin!!!
Which "Witchy Tai To" are we talking about? There is Jim Pepper's
first effort with Everything Is Everything on Vanguard. Probably
the most popular version. Then there is the 70s jazz lp that Pepper
did called Pepper's Pow Wow (I'll be putting mine on Ebay soon).
Then Ryko put out another Pepper solo Cd with the tune again. Not
to mention the covers by Harper's Bizarre and Brewer and Shipley.
Great tune and very pioneering.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:26:21 -0000
From: Roy Clough
Subject: Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone"
Mick Patrick:
> ...there's a lot of things I want and something in my soul that
> always leads me back to Carole King's demo of "I Can't Make It
> Alone". It's currently playing @ musica:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ all 4
> minutes and 24 seconds of it.
Hi,
Fairly new to this group, some fascinating stuff, some great music
tracks.
Any Searchers fans there plug for my little bit. Comments good or
bad welcome:
http://www.brunnet.net/RICKRESOURCE/SEARCHERS/CLOUGHLINKS.HTML
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:27:15 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone"
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Will do, 'cos there's a lot of things I want and something
> in my soul that always leads me back to Carole King's demo
> of "I Can't Make It Alone". It's currently playing @ musica
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ all 4
> minutes and 24 seconds of it.
>
> Who knows, maybe someone will respond with a complete list
> of every known recorded version. Yes please!
Thank you to Mike Carter and Mick Patrick for this wonderful demo.
Besides the demo, the song has been done several times, including:
Continental Drifters
Jayhawks
Linda Jones
Rita Martinson
Maria McKee
Bill Medley
Mychael LaMorte
The Myddle Class
Pig Iron
Poor Heart feat. Lou Grammatico
P.J. Proby
Lou Rawls
Righteous Brothers
Rocky Roberts & The Airedales
Dusty Springfield
Vanilla Fudge
Weeping Willows
There are also a few with that title, that I can't confirm as being
the Goffin/King tune.
Otis Clay
Paul Delicato
Shirley & Johnny
Vince Hill
I think there was a Spanish cover called "No Puedo Hacerlo Solo" but
I don't know who recorded it. It may just be an English version on a
Spanish Righteous Brothers album.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:50:32 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: "Witchy Tai To"
(That) Alan Gordon:
> ...let the "Witchy Tai To " threads begin!
OK, here's a bit of a self-serving one. The song was also cut on Bang
by Today's Tomorrow of La Crosse. That band is covered in my book,
"Do You Hear That Beat - Wisconsin Pop/Rock in the 50's & 60's". :-)
gem
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:17:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Dugo
Subject: Help With Song / Band ID
Hopefully one of the experts on the list can help.
I'm trying to identify a band that appeared on a
forgotten 1960's TV show titled THE NAME OF THE GAME.
The band looks to be four members, with a female
guitarist/lead singer. The show dates to '69, and
some of the lyrics include:
Shine down Lauderdale morning
Shine down California morning
The names Pegasus, Melinda, and Peter (several times)
are also mentioned in the lyrics. Does anybody know
the name of the song, or who the band might be?
I tend to believe it's a real band, since The Yellow
Payges also appear in the same episode doing their
great "Follow The Bouncing Ball".
Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
Mike Dugo
60sgaragebands.com
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:24:25 -0400
From: ACJ
Subject: Re: Marlon Brando and his influence on pop music
For Artie Wayne, and all others interested: That's not all. I have
a 1970's interview with George Harrison in which he says that -
contrary to the Crickets and flaming-pie stories - the Beatles
named themselves after a motorcycle gang in Brando's "The Wild One."
Apparently, there was a scene in the film where Lee Marvin talked to
Brando about the gangs they'd been in before, and one was called the
Beetles. (I've never seen the film, so I woudn't know for sure.)
ACJ
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:54:39 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: This Diamond Demo
Now on musica is the original demo of "This Diamond Ring". The
original concept was an attempt to get The Drifters to record
the song. All our r&b or soul demos were sung by Jimmy Radcliffe,
another writer signed to A. Schroeder Music, where we all wrote
daily in cubicles.
At the time, I was part of a trio: Bob Brass & Irwin Levine wrote
the lyrics and I wrote the melodies. Jimmy Radcliffe mostly wrote
with Joey Brooks (later "You Light Up My Life"). We all had little
tiny rooms with pianos in them and Jimmy was literally next door
to us. We all helped each other out on demos.
The receptionist at A Schroeder sang all our female demos. She
later became Barbara Jean English and had a few soul hits.
Radcliffe became a Northern Soul hero in the UK. But in 1963, when
this demo was cut at Regent Sound in NYC, it was a buncha writers
singing and Buddy Salzman on drums, yours truly on bass, guitar &
piano and Mel Shayne and Bernie Glow on trumpets. Brass, Kooper &
Levine sang the backup vocals and I did the arrangements.
We were quite happy with the demo and surprised that The Drifters
turned it down. But not as surprised as when we heard the Gary Lewis
version..... but that's a whole other story !!! Hope you all enjoy it.
It's its first time in public !!
Find it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
(This) Al Kooper
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:04:55 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: RIP - Jimmie Arnold
More sad news just in:
Jimmie Arnold (1931 - 2004)
"Second tenor with the 1950's vocal group The Four Lads, who had a
string of top 10 hits including "Moments to Remember" (#2, 1955),
"No Not Much" (#2, 1956) and "Standing On The Corner" (#3, 1956),
whose group also backed Johnny Ray on the 1951 smash "Cry" (one of
the biggest hits of the 50's), died of lung cancer on June 15 in
Sacramento, California at the age of 72."
http://www.the4lads.com/
gem
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:01:44 +0200
From: Frank Jastfelder
Subject: Re: "Witchy Tai To"
As for me, nothing can top the Harpers Bizarre version. It's as sweet
as it gets. Pure heaven. Arranged by band members Ted Templeman and
Dick Scoppettone (wasn't there a thread at Spectropop dealing with
most unusal names? Well, here you have definitley two contenders) and
produced by Lenny Waronker. And as I read on the back of the LP the
horn and string arrangements were done by Perry Botkin Jr.
Frank J
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:23:38 -0000
From: Julio Niņo
Subject: Re: This Diamond Demo / Hansel in Sīpop
Hola Everybody,
These last weeks Spectromusica has been such an exciting place that
it's beginning to produce a sensation of unreality for me. The Carole
King demos have been like a visit to wonderland, and now we have to
add the gorgeous demo of "This Diamond Ring" sung by Jimmy Radcliffe.
I feel like Hansel in the Gingerbread house, with all those candies
and sweets to eat. Will there be a wicked witch waiting to eat me?. I
don't want to create false expectations for myself.
Al, any chance to listen to some of the white demos sung by you, with
that youthful, uninhibited, and embarrassing voice (that description
sounds very suggestive to me).
Chao.
Julio Niņo.
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:01:53 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Eddie Hodges / Jerry Cole
Martin Roberts:
> ... Record of the Week featurette is "Too Soon To Know" ...
I especially like Hodges "Halfway", which bubbled under in '63.
While at the site to hear the Hodges song, I also noticed the Jerry
Cole item saying he had no more vocal 45's released. In the 70's
Jerry had releases on Happy Tiger, Midget and Warner Bro. I haven't
heard any of them, but I'm pretty sure some, if not all, were vocals.
I've worked with Jerry a few times - nice guy and very good guitar
player, but also a BS'er (I've heard him announce that he wrote
"Splish Splash" and I think I mentioned in here before that he claims
he had the hit version of "Midnight Mary". He has also often claimed
to be on "Tequila", but he joined the Champs about 1-1/2 yrs after
that record. And, speaking of that band, I'll be gigging tommorow
with original Champs guitarist, and long time friend, Dale Norris).
gem
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:17:38 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: "Witchy Tai To" / For the love of Mike (& Buzz) Clifford
Took a peek at Whitburn today, assume Buzz Clifford and Mike Clifford
aren't related. Interesting coinky-dinky on their birthdates, though
--Buzz 10/8/42, Berwyn, Illinois; Mike 11/6/43, L.A. Buzz, of course,
went from "Baby Sittin' Boogie" to The Full Treatment, quite a leap,
and Mike also experimented with the mod sound in the late 6Ts and (I'd
QUITE FORGOTTEN! ! !) played Teen Angel in the Broadway production of
GREASE.
Here is my little "Witchi Tai To" story: when it first came out on the
charts in I believe January '69, I thought the title was "Everything
Is Everything" and that it was by The Wichita Tattoo. Whoops! Was I
confusing it with Wichita Fall or The Wichita Train Whistle? (Which
Wichita was which--I wish?!) :--(
Gary Myers or anyone, a question: Gary mentioned a Wisconsin group
that demoed on BANG with their version of the above--did other Wisc.
groups also sign with the Bang label. Where was The Silver Byke
("I've Got Time"/"Who Needs Tomorrow") from, anyone know???
Bobster
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 08:37:43 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche and Sylvie Simmons, help wanted
MOJO's Contributing Editor, author and famed Stetson wearing journalist
Sylvie Simmons was, in the late 70s to the early 80s, working for UK
rock weekly "Sounds". She was the paper's LA correspondent and as well
as the 'usual' reviews and interviews had a regular column, "Hollywood
Highs". Anyway, in June '81 she interviewed Jack Nitzsche, apparently
this was published. It is possible that the piece was in Sounds but more
likely that the German magazine "Musik Express/Sounds" or the Japanese
"Music Life" ran it.
Has anyone got a copy or can recall the interview and which publication
printed it?
Martin
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:21:15 +0100
From: Andrew Hickey
Subject: Re: Marlon Brando and his influence on pop music
Previously:
> For Artie Wayne, and all others interested: That's not all. I have
> a 1970's interview with George Harrison in which he says that -
> contrary to the Crickets and flaming-pie stories - the Beatles
> named themselves after a motorcycle gang in Brando's "The Wild One."
> Apparently, there was a scene in the film where Lee Marvin talked to
> Brando about the gangs they'd been in before, and one was called the
> Beetles. (I've never seen the film, so I woudn't know for sure.)
That story is also repeated by McCartney in the Anthology TV series,
but that seems to be a bit of retroactive alteration - The Wild One
was banned in the UK until 1968. The Beatles have a habit of changing
the facts to make a better legend, and the closer the interview date
to the date at which something happened, the more likely to be true.
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:25:10 -0000
From: Ron
Subject: Re: New Lime
I hope I'm not too late with this post. I've taken a lesson from
Country Paul and fallen 3 weeks behind on my reading. Here is what I
could find on the New Lime:
Whenever I Look In Her Eyes/And She Cried --------------- Fraternity F947, 1965
It's Your Turn to Cry/Only You -------------------------- Boss 9915, 1966
Meant to Be/Walkin the Dog ------------------------------ Counterpart 2495
That Girl/She Kissed Me (With Her Eyes) ----------------- Counterpart 2577, 1967
That Girl/She Kissed Me (With Her Eyes) ----------------- Columbia 4-44017, 1967
There Goes My Girlfriend/The Girl With Long Blonde Hair - Counterpart 2593, 1967
Meant to Be/Perfect Girl -------------------------------- Counterpart 2599
Ain't Got No Soul/I Still Remember ---------------------- Counterpart 2609, 1967
Donna/The Gumdrop Trilogy ------------------------------- Counterpart 2626
Donna/The Gumdrop Trilogy ------------------------------- Columbia 4-44597, 1968
Sunny/I Still Remember ---------------------------------- Minart 150
Ron
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:56:36 -0000
From: Andy
Subject: Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone"
Add to the list of those who have recorded "I Can't Make It Alone"
Diana Ross & the Supremes (on the "Reflections" LP Motown MS-665,
1968]. An additional note: the lead singer in the version by the
Continental Drifters was a 34 year old Susan Cowsill.
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:38:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Found - my cache of acetates ! !
JJ/Sweden:
> SERIOUSLY, I love the scent coming fr these old acetates........
> anyone else sharing this opinion?
Only my friends in rehab!
Now breathe out.
Regards, Artie Wayne
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:44:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Marlon Brando and his influence on pop music
I've just been informed by a Ms. P.D. from Houston that James Brown
was called "The Godfather of Soul" long before Marlons' movie came
out. Actually, I meant to say that Mario Puzo, who was writing a yet
to be titled book about the Mafia, was given a copy of "James Brown
....Live at the Apollo".....and the rest is history!!
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 18:36:40 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: "Witchy Tai To" / Wisconsin
Bob Rashkow:
> Gary mentioned a Wisconsin group that demoed on BANG with their
> version of ("Witchy Tai To") -- did other Wisc. groups also sign
> with the Bang label.
Bare Fat of Waupun had Bang 573 (You Can All Join In (Traffic cover)
/Soft) in late '69.
> Where was The Silver Byke ("I've Got Time"/"Who Needs Tomorrow")
> from, anyone know?
Not Wisconsin (as far as I know - which is pretty far on that subject
), so I can't help there.
gem
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:41:27 -0700
From: Alan Warner
Subject: Re: For the love of Mike Clifford
Mick Patrick:
> All-but-forgotten, except here at S'pop, eh? To the best of my
> knowledge, Mike Clifford is poorly represented on CD. Shame, as he
> made some top-of-the-range Brill Building teen idol-style records.
> I guess having Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller as his producers helped.
> I've posted one of my favourites to musica, a rather rare early
> co-composition by (move over for a moment please, Carole King) Ellie
> Greenwich: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
>
> Details are: Mike Clifford "That's What They Said" (United Artists
> 557, 1962). Written by Ben Raleigh and Ellie Greenwich. Arranged and
> conducted by Alan Lorber. Produced by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller.
Mick is right on the ball when he says that Mike Clifford has been
poorly served by the re-issue market. Between '62 and '64, he cut
22 sides for United Artists, produced not only by Leiber & Stoller
but also by the late Jack Gold and, as far as I know, three tracks
remain unreleased. His biggest seller was the Bob Goodman/Earl
Shuman song CLOSE TO CATHY, released originally in July 1962.
He had earlier recorded for Liberty who issued a single in 1959
of him duetting with Patience And Prudence.
Rock on!
Alan Warner
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 01:58:22 -0000
From: Rodney Rawlings
Subject: Re: Carole King demos
One slightly unfortunate result of Bob Celli's making the demo of
"Go Away Little Girl" available--I will no longer listen to Steve
Lawrence's version so much. Carole's is my now favorite by far!
The fact that she is female singing a male song does not bother me at
all. And clearly it did not bother Carole--she of all people, being
the great artist that she is, would know, as undoubtedly did Bobby
Vee, that what counts is the song itself. Any singer who could not
hear the timelessness of the work represented would be unworthy of
singing it, in my view.
It may be that Carole King has no inkling of any possible interest in
these early demos. To such a genius, it would seem that she was
merely doing a job, filling a market need for her employer, and
although the melodies may not have come easily there was nothing
magical about them and perhaps everything prosaic. Demos? Just a
marketing tool, the quicker discarded the better. Artistic history?
Don't make me laugh.
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:54:00 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Carole King demos
Mike Carter on Carole King demos:
> and the best of 'em: "I Can't Make It Alone".
My favorite version of this is by Maria McKee in 1993. Faster than
Dusty's version which really brings out the hook in the song.
Bill
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:20:16 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: This Diamond Demo, etc, etc
Herb wrote:
> Then, I began spotting some I thought or knew did not belong, such
> as a Liberty "reissue" lable and Blue Sky. There could been others
> but my focus went back to the production. The lables not present
> were Cameo, Parkway, Tamla and Quality (The Crystals, Del Shannon).
I hear ya, Herb, but knowing how few people in their audience were
likely to notice this, let alone care, I can't see where the director
and set designer would've bothered themselves over it.
(That) Alan Gordon wrote:
> ... and now let the "Witchy Tai To " threads begin!!!
What is the genesis of the song? Has it anything to do with aboriginal
American culture?
Don wrote:
> Thank you to Mike Carter and Mick Patrick for this wonderful demo.
> Besides the demo, the song has been done several times, including:
> Continental Drifters
My first exposure to I Can't Make It Alone song came just a few years
ago, seeing Continental Drifters, with the great Suzy Cowsill at the
mic, at a small club, and picking up their CD which contained it on my
way out. Shortly thereafter I found Dusty's, and then Proby's, and it's
by now one of my favorite songs ever. But even though the latter two
versions are objectively better than Suzy's, I will always retain a soft
spot for her's. The Continental Drifters, though, seemed to break up
concomitant with the break-up of Suzy's marriage to fellow band member
Peter Holsapple.
Thanks for Carole King's demo version, Mick -- I can hardly wait to
listen to it. both the words and music seem the epitome of the
Goffin-King style, so I expect this version to be a real show-stopper.
Mick Patrick wrote:
> By the way, folks, you all have Mike C (not I) to thank for
> the Carole King demos I have posted to musica recently. All
> being well, more will follow. Does anyone have any special
> requests?
Carole's own master version of "Bad Boy" sounds sort of demo-ish to me.
Not that I'm expecting an earlier version to appear, but does anyone
know if the release version was in fact (or at least developed from)
the demo?
Al Kooper wrote:
> Radcliffe became a Northern Soul hero in the UK. But in 1963, when
> this demo was cut at Regent Sound in NYC, it was a buncha writers
> singing and Buddy Salzman on drums, yours truly on bass, guitar &
> piano and Mel Shayne and Bernie Glow on trumpets. Brass, Kooper &
> Levine sang the backup vocals and I did the arrangements.
You got six arms or somethin'? More seriously, I assume you played three
different instruments via the miracle of overdubbing, yet it surprises
me to learn of much in the way of multi-track decks being used at demo
studios as early as 1963. Did they use sound-on-sound ("ping-pong")?
Another aspect of early multitracking that I'm curious about are tales
of the early three-track units, a brief-lived graduation from
two-tracks. All subsequent evolutions in the field were by factors of
two, so the idea of a three-track deck stands out like a ... three-dolar
bill?
May the 4th be with y'all,
--Phil M.
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