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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Mauds / Trashmen
From: Clark Besch
2. Re: Has anyone ever seen this movie?
From: ModGirl
3. Re: UK covers
From: Peter Lerner
4. I need a cool band name for a duo
From: Mark Radice
5. Del Shannon -- New Orleans (Mardi Gras)
From: JJ
6. Re: songwriter royalties for medleys
From: Clark Besch
7. Re: crying for Crier
From: Al Kooper
8. "Like A Rolling Stone"
From: Norm D
9. Brother Ray
From: Al Kooper
10. Re: Dylan at Newport
From: Al Kooper
11. Re: UK covers
From: Michael Fishberg
12. Re: Brill Building era
From: Frank Uhle
13. "Shadows And Reflections" to musica
From: Clark Besch
14. Re: Peppermint Trolley/Bones/Peppermint Rainbow
From: Clark Besch
15. Brill Building & 1650 Bdwy.
From: Stu Phillips
16. Re: Brill Building revisionism
From: Bill Tobelman
17. Re: Arch Music
From: Al Kooper
18. Brill Building revisionism
From: Al Kooper
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:39:26 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Mauds / Trashmen
Don H. wrote:
> I have the Mauds' "Man Without A Dream", from the album "Hold On".
> It is not sped up.
Don, I think you are mistaken. The Mauds' version appears on an RCA
45 only.
Clark
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:55:26 -0000
From: ModGirl
Subject: Re: Has anyone ever seen this movie?
Re: The Big TNT Show:
Go to The Video Beat (http://www.thevideobeat.com) and you can order
your very own copy.
Peace,
ModGirl
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:21:05 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: UK covers
Robert wrote:
> Dionne was also upset with Cher's ALFIE being the official
> version used for the movie soundtrack. I can only imagine her
> tender thoughts about Bobbie Gentry having the U.K. hit version
> of "I'll Never Fall In Love Again".
Mmm. Yes, but ... Jackie DeShannon had both the original and the hit of
"What The World Needs Now Is Love", and methinks Dionne now tries to
claim that one as her own, too.
Peter
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:21:35 -0000
From: Mark Radice
Subject: I need a cool band name for a duo
Haven't been in here in a while -- wondering if any of youz clever peoples
might have any ideas for naming a duo that I'm working with that does
covers and originals. I was thinking of "Late For Dinner", "Ta-Daaa!", "Not
Here", etc. I'm just hoping something will come up and smack me upside
the head, but it hasn't. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Mark Radice
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:28:27 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Del Shannon -- New Orleans (Mardi Gras)
The last track on Del Shannon's classic "The Further Adventures Of
Charles Westover" is "New Orleans (Mardi Gras)," written by Jim Pulte.
Is there a pre-Del version of this song?
Thanx in advance!
JJ/Sweden
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:26:52 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: songwriter royalties for medleys
Austin Roberts wrote:
> When I was an artist on Phillips circa 1969, Paul Leka was producing
> me and we decided to do Runaway and Just A Little together. The
> royalties (which were almost nil, were equal. I've heard that sometimes,
> especially when a new song combined with a former hit, the splits are
> usually in favor of the former hit. I guess it's up to the publishers
> to work it out.
Austin, here's an "odd but true" fact. When you were at Philips, you wrote
the song you recorded there, "One Night Ann". When Brian Hyland was
at Philips, he recorded fellow S'popper James Holvay's song, "One Night
Jimmy"!!! By today's standards, there's gotta be a lawsuit there somewhere.
:) Clark
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:14:08 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: crying for Crier
Bill Swanke submitted:
> Subject: Bronx 'Doo-Wop' Veteran, Arthur Crier, Dies At 69
> Singer-songwriter-producer Arthur Crier, a bass-singing veteran
> of the doo-wop era who sang on dozens of hit records for artists
> including Gene Pitney, Curtis Lee, Barry Mann, Ben E. King, and
> the Halos ...
Did he sing the opening line of Nag by The Halos? What a shame!
Did he sing the bass part on Pitney's Every Breath I Take? Damn
shame! The bass part on Curtis Lee's Pretty Lil Angel Eyes? I'm
grievin' here...
Al Kooper
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:50:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Norm D
Subject: "Like A Rolling Stone"
There's been a short series on BBC Radio 4 called "Soul Music". It
looks at the cultural / social / personal significance of songs that have
become part of a wider public consciousness. Today's half-hour
episode featured "Like A Rolling Stone". There was quite a bit of
studio chit-chat and early run-throughs of the song (I've never heard
any of that before), and contributions from, amongst others, Al
Kooper, who told how this recording session led to his new career
as an organ player. A great half-hour programme at 1.30 in the
afternoon!
The programme is archived at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/soulmusic.shtml
Regards
Norm D.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:47:32 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Brother Ray
NYC S'poppers:
I just missed a screening of the Ray Charles biopic today. Did anyone
here see it? How was it?
Al Kooper
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:37:56 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Dylan at Newport
Re: excerpt from http://buffaloreport.com/020826dylan.html :
They hadn't prepared more because they'd been told beforehand by us
Newport board members that three songs was all they'd be allowed to do.
Also an untruth. We stayed up all night rehearsing, and only got three songs.
We couldn't have played four if they wanted four, because three was all we
could work up in the time period alotted for rehearsing the night before
the set.
Everything else Bruce Jackson says is a major revelation and should be read
by all, especially Greil Marcus.
Al " I was there onstage" Kooper
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:29:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Fishberg
Subject: Re: UK covers
Robert wrote:
> Dionne was also upset with Cher's "Alfie" being the official version
> used for the movie soundtrack. I can only imagine her tender
> thoughts about Bobbie Gentry having the U.K. hit version of "I'll
> Never Fall In Love Again".
I thought it WAS Cilla who did "Alfie," not Cher.
Michael Fishberg
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:24:01 -0400
From: Frank Uhle
Subject: Re: Brill Building era
Al Kooper wrote:
> I am obsessed with the fact that not much went on in the Brill Building
> in the 60s. King-Goffin, Mann-Weil, Sedaka-Greenfield, Tony Orlando and
> the entire Aldon crew, Scepter Records, Beltone Records, January & Arch
> Music, Teddy Vann, Feldman-Goldtein & Gottehrer, Brass, Kooper & Levine,
> were all at 1650 BROADWAY, a building without a name.
I stopped in there a few months ago when I was in NYC for a visit, and
scanned the names on the list of office-holders, out of curiosity. There
were still several music-related ones, and if I remember correctly now,
one of them was Teddy Vann! The entrance-way was suitably grungy
for a no-name building, I wish I could have gone exploring but the
young guy at the desk seemed not to want me to do so.
I mentioned to him that I heard there'd been lots of music publishers
there at one time, and he seemed to have only slight knowledge of this,
certainly not any sense of the rich musical history of the place.
Frank Uhle
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:37:32 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: "Shadows And Reflections" to musica
I have just played The Byzantine Empire's version of "Shadows And
Reflections" to musica. Although I listed it as 1968, it is actually from early
1969, I believe.
As noted, it was written by Tandyn Almer and Larry Marks. Larry Marks
produced Emmitt Rhodes' Merry-Go-Round for A&M in the 60's as well
as having the nice minor hit "L.A. Breakdown (And Take Me In)" on his
own in '69. The Byzantine Empire's record was produced and arranged
by Eddie Higgins and Bob Schiff for the legendary Chicago production
company, Dunwich. By this time, the Dunwich record label Bill Traut
ran had closed and Dunwich had merged with Bob Monaco and USA
Records. The B Empire 45 proudly sports the "It's Dunwich Man!" logo,
though. They went on to do three 45s for Amy under the Dunwich
production team.
Previous to being called The Byzantine Empire, this Chicago-area group
was known as The 5 Bucks and had three tremendous 45s that should
have rivaled the great Chicago groups of the day, but somehow they
ended up never being in the right place at the right time.
Enjoy! Clark
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:03:01 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Peppermint Trolley/Bones/Peppermint Rainbow
Orion wrote:
> Re Peppermint Trolley: they also released an LP as "Bones". It is
> the Faragher Brothers and some others.
Hey, that's cool! I did not know that Bones came from The Peppermint
Trolley. I love their version of "Roberta" from October, 1972! It sits in
my fave 45s with a couple of Peppermint Trolley ones too. "Baby You
Come Rollin'" is a gimme, while "Beautiful Sun" was perfect for early
'69 and strolled into my faves then along with similar greats from that
period, "Lovin' Things" by December's Children and Higher Elevation's
"Summer Skies" and Parade's "Laughin' Lady", to name a few. AND some
Peppermint Rainbow ones fit in there too..
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> Shawn (Superoldies): Thanks for the information. I had been asking
> about The Peppermint Rainbow!
Bobster, Shawn Superoldies and I have talked about a Peppermint Trolley
CD for a long time, as well as for the Candymen. As for The Peppermint
Rainbow, their two hits are wonderful. I have two followup 45s from later
1969 that are non-LP, called "Don't Love Me Unless It's Forever" and
"You're The Sound Of Love". Both are pretty good, too, and are co-
written by Paul Leka, with Paul also producing and arranging the tracks
on Decca.
Take care,
Clark
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:31:07 -0000
From: Stu Phillips
Subject: Brill Building & 1650 Bdwy.
Concerning the Sixties, the Brill Building, etc., I think that we all should
remember that, although many of the hit records of the Sixties were a
result of the writers, producers and record companies housed in those
famous buildings, a very large percentage of NYC hits came out of RCA
Records, Capitol, Mercury, Decca, Colpix, Columbia, Roulette and many
others, whose offices were not in either of those two buildings. Also,
major publishers like Chappell, Robbins Feist & Miller, and other similar
companies located around NY provided hit material for artists. The
Sixties was an exciting period in the development of pop music, and
many people and places spread all over NY were major contributors.
Stu Phillips
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:46:06 -0400
From: Bill Tobelman
Subject: Re: Brill Building revisionism
James Botticelli wrote:
> Brill-Building pop may not have existed by name during its heyday,
> but most pop aficionados know it when they hear it. Its OK to call
> it something, isn't it? And where did Goffin-King work, in a basement
> in Brooklyn?
Maybe the term "Brill Building" will someday have an even larger scope,
something along the lines of "Tin Pan Alley." For instance, I found this online:
"Originally, Tin Pan Alley was a nickname given an actual street (West 28th
Street between Broadway and Sixth Avenue) in Manhattan, where many of
the fledgling popular music publishers had their offices. In time, it became the
generic term for all publishers of popular American sheet music, regardless
of their geographic locations."
-Bill
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:50:50 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Arch Music
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> Al Kooper, or anybody, who was Arch Music? You mentioned them in
> your partial list of the 1650 B'way roll call of pop penners. Who ran it
> and who were the artists that benefited (or made an effort to) from their
> repertoire?
Arch Music was another Aaron Schroeder company, which included January,
Sea-Lark, Arch, and A Schroeder Music.
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:18:52 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Brill Building revisionism
James Botticelli wrote:
> It's OK to call it something, isn't it? And where did Goffin-King work, in a
> basement in Brooklyn?
No -- and NOT in the Brill Building, either, but rather at 1650 Broadway,
James. Shoulda been called the "1650 Sound," for true accuracy.
previously:
> Bobby Darin & TM Music, Regent & ARC Music publishers of most of
> the great Chess Record stuff, Hill & Range Music (need we explain
> them) and I think Irving Berlin Music i
With the exception of early Darin. none of the above qualifies as the Brill
Building sound, BTW, which was my point. I'm well aware of the residents
of both buildings, but on a percentage basis, the "Brill Building Sound" is
actually the 1650 B'way Sound.
Phil Milstein wrote:
> But I also think there are, in some cases, valid reasons to deviate a bit
> from the cruelly objective tone of fact -- especially since truth, in the
> fashion of Rashomon, is not always quite so objectively possible to
> divine.
Bollocks, mate. All the witnesses in Rashomon observed the incident
firsthand, and they all agreed where it took place.
Take anyone who worked at 1650 & The Brill and ask them where King-
Goffin, Mann-Weil, Sedaka-Greenfield, Helen Miller, Gene Pitney, Florence
Greenberg, Luther Dixon, Dionne Warwick, The Tokens, Chuck Jackson,
The Shirelles, Maxine Brown, The Kingsmen, Al Kooper & scores of others
worked daily, and if they had sight at the time they would have to concur it
was NOT IN THE BRILL BUILDING!!!
Al "always debating this revisionism" Kooper
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