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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Epic Splendor = Beach Music?
From: Mark
2. "Sukiyaki" lyrics; ISO Roemans; Kustom
From: Country Paul
3. Re: Robert John
From: Mark
4. Re: Robert John
From: Austin Roberts
5. Grover Henson Feels Forgotten
From: Paul Urbahns
6. Re: Bert Berns' British productions
From: Mick Patrick
7. Cincinnati area Oldies Fest
From: Karen Andrew
8. Re: Sonny Curtis
From: Ed Salamon
9. Re: Sonny Curtis
From: Frank Jastfelder
10. Re: Beatles recordings abroad
From: Lloyd Davis
11. Re: recordin' in America ... not
From: Lloyd Davis
12. Re:The many facets of Northern 'Soul'
From: Frank Murphy
13. Re: Beatles recordings abroad
From: Steve Harvey
14. Re: Love Is All Around
From: Phil X Milstein
15. Re:The many facets of Northern 'Soul'
From: Richard Globman
16. The many facets of Northern 'Soul'
From: Pres
17. Candymen / Beach Music
From: Bob Rashkow
18. Re: Bert Berns' British productions / Elaine and Derek
From: Mick Patrick
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 02:28:29 GMT
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Epic Splendor = Beach Music?
Hi Brent! Funny you should mention that about the Epic Splendor
record. Not too long ago on the Northern soul group I'm on
(keepingthefaith), one guy who's a respected collector and DJ was
going on about what a great Northern soul record this is! I've
had it for a while and never gave it a spin--looks like I'll have
to do just that.
Best,
Mark
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:39:55 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: "Sukiyaki" lyrics; ISO Roemans; Kustom
Been away on vacation - catching up on 2 1/2 weeks worth of posts!
Mutsushi, I like your direct translation much better than the one
posted on the Kyu Sakamoto website referred to earlier. Thank you
for the literal lyrics (i.e., "I shall walk keeping my chin up" vs.
"I look up when I walk").
I continue to look for The Roemans' "Your Friend" on ABC, c. 1962-63
(by Tommy Roe's back-up group of the time). A post to musica or an
off-list mp3 would be gratefully appreciated if anyone has access to
this track. Thank you in advance!
Me, earlier:
> And Kustom was not exactly known as top-end material in the musical
> circles I hing with!
Mike:
> Hey, watch it! I still use my Kustom cabinet with two 12's on wheels
> as an external speaker with my 1968 tube Vibrolux!
Many of us have had funky instruments or amps that work well for us! I
still have an old Kay "finger eater" guitar that my band's lead
guitarist used to tune to an E-major chord and play slide on - sounded
good, too! And the wheels on the Kustom equipment sure helped in the
set-up and load-out! (Perhaps they were a precursor to modern suitcases
with built-in wheels....)
Country Paul
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 02:33:07 GMT
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Robert John
Hi Frank! I can say for sure that Robert John is not from England.
He was born Robert John Pedrick, Jr. in New York, and first recorded
under that name (actually, as Bobby Pedrick, Jr.) for Big Top in
1961 or so.
Can't stand "If You Don't Want My Love"--it's enough to give me a
major tension headache (and it took me quite a while after his hit
"Sad Eyes" came out before I could stand that one)--but he does have
a nice version of "Ooh Baby Baby" on Columbia as well. Not enough to
make you forget Smokey, but not bad either.
Best,
Mark
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:00:09 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Robert John
Al Kooper:
> I do NOT recall "producing" this at all. It sounds like me on keyboards.
> I was out of BS&T by the summer of'68 BTW. Robert John & I did not get
> close until late 1968. We were both managed by the same guy at the time.
> The co-writer Mike Gately became my best friend until his untimely death
> in 1982. I would not have sanctioned this as a "finished" product, even
> in 1968 so I doubt I actually produced it no matter WHAT the label says.
Al, You were a lucky man to have been that close to Mike.He was one of
the funniest and gentle guys I've ever met. He and Bobby and I shared a
love for boxing. I boxed Golden Gloves many moons ago, and they used to
kid me about maybe I should have made my career boxing instead of music,
but believe me, I gave it back equally. We used to hang out at Martins,
right down from Famous Music. What an incredible human being he was!
Austin
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:44:11 EDT
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Grover Henson Feels Forgotten
My favorite Bill Cosby song, besides "Little Ole Man", is Grover
Henson Feels Forgotten. It was on UNI and I don't think he ever
did an album for them. Needless to say since it came out during
the Vietnam War it got a lot of airplay besides he was doing the
Bill Cosby Radio Program (a 5 minute comedy featurette series)
sponsored by Coke. I have a few of those on tape. They featured
the Rock and Roll Coke Commericals by current groups. I was a DJ
in those days and there was quite a bit of Bill Cosby on radio.
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:15:46 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Bert Berns' British productions
I wrote:
> Actually, Bert Berns made three trips to the UK: in October 1963,
> October '64 and March '65. On his first visit he produced tracks
> by acts from the Larry Page stable, all from Coventry, including
> the Orchids.
Niels:
> I find it hard to believe, that Bert Berns can have been in London
> in March 1965, as it is a fact that Jackie McAuley played his last
> gig with Them April 14th (newspaper clippings from back then), and
> Peter Bardens joined the following week. And I've spoken to Jackie
> McAuley, and although he can't tell for sure it doesn't seem likely,
> that he's on any of the Berns produced tracks in March/May. But then
> again, I can't say for sure. Have you got proof that Berns was in UK
> in March?
I meant May, not March. May the 3rd, 4th and 5th, to be precise, at
Regent Sounds Studios in London. Titles recorded by Them that day,
with Bert Berns producing, were:
(IT WON’T HURT) HALF AS MUCH
LITTLE GIRL
GO ON HOME BABY
MY LITTLE BABY
and I GAVE MY LOVE A DIAMOND
This information was supplied to me by Rob Hughes. He's not prone to
errors.
Good luck with writing your book about Van Morrison. I'm sure he is
being the absolute acme of friendly co-operation. :-)
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:51:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Andrew
Subject: Cincinnati area Oldies Fest
Sorry, this is a little late, but for anyone interested, The Union
Centre Boulevard Bash, a three-day outdoor music and food fun festival
in a northern Cincinnati suburb of West Chester, is happening this
weekend. What I'm planning to attend is the WGRR Oldiesfest on Sunday
afternoon-evening, including: The Turtles featuring Flo and Eddie, 05 :15-6:15 p.m. and Felix Cavaliere's Rascals, 06 :45-7:45 p.m. The
festival is on Union Centre Boulevard, just west of I-75, Butler County,
Ohio. Take Union Centre Blvd exit. So, people from Dayton would be able
to come too! web site: http://www.unioncentreblvdbash.com/
Karen
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:05:36 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: Sonny Curtis
Joe Nelson:
> If any TV theme of the 70's deserved to be a hit, it was Sonny's
> recording of the MTM theme ("Love Is All Around"). I'm not sure
> this was ever even remixed for official release. Anybody know
> otherwise (God willing)?
"Love Is All Around" was the title track of Sonny's 1980 Elektra
album. It was also released as a single, and promoted primarily to
Country radio.
I'm also partial to Sonny's Elektra single from that time "The Real
Buddy Holly Story".
Ed Salamon
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:16:34 +0200
From: Frank Jastfelder
Subject: Re: Sonny Curtis
Sonny Curtis:
> If any TV theme of the 70's deserved to be a hit, it was Sonny's
> recording of the MTM theme ("Love Is All Around"). I'm not sure
> this was ever even remixed for official release. Anybody know
> otherwise (God willing)?
As far as I remember there was a version by Curtis released on Ovation
Records as a single. But I can´t swear it.
Frank
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:55:13 -0400
From: Lloyd Davis
Subject: Re: Beatles recordings abroad
Tom Taber wrote:
> That being the date, how on earth did "Sie Liebt Dich" end up as a 45
> release on Swan?
Beatles expert Bruce Spizer has an article on his website that talks a
bit about it. Here's a link: http://www.beatle.net/articles/swansong1.htm
To Spizer's ear, the Swan "Sie Liebt Dich" sounds like a transfer from a
45, not a master tape. He conjectures that Swan assumed it had the rights
to any version of "She Loves You," since it had leased the original. He
also guesses that Capitol reached a settlement with Swan, whereby the
single would be pulled. It came out in July '64 on the "Something New" LP.
- Lloyd Davis
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:21:53 -0400
From: Lloyd Davis
Subject: Re: recordin' in America ... not
In "Soulsville USA," Rob Bowman writes that Brian Epstein made inquiries
in 1966 about the Beatles recording at the Stax studio in Memphis.
Epstein first approached Atlantic, who sent Tom Dowd to Memphis to
inspect the facilities.
In March, Estelle Axton gave Brian Epstein a tour of the operation and
the city. Bowman quotes the Memphis Press-Scimitar as reporting on March
31 that the Beatles were to start recording at Stax on April 9 and would
spend two weeks there.
When they performed in Memphis in August, George Harrison and Paul
McCartney confirmed they had wanted to record at Stax and admired the
music coming from the label.
Shortly after Epstein's visit, on April 6, the "Revolver" sessions began
-- at Abbey Road.
One question, though: did Stax even have four-track capability as of April
'66?
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:42:26 -0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Re:The many facets of Northern 'Soul'
Howard:
> Northern Soul - A way of life!!
I'm off out tonight to join this mob on the dancefloor:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~abdnpaul/goodfootb.jpeg
Frankm
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:45:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Beatles recordings abroad
> That being the date, how on earth did "Sie Liebt
> Dich" end up as a 45
> release on Swan?
Capitol had first pick on all Beatle material because
of their sister company, Parlophone. However, in the
early Beatle days they didn't want to know about them.
So whoever was willing to pay got to release the stuff
hence ten different labels putting out Beatles
product. Swan was out of Philly and had "She Loves
You". The story is the owner let alot of people have
the disc "for a song" thinking they would help him out
with his future releases. Didn't happen so he
rereleased "I'll Get You" (1 of my favorites) as if it
was a new single even though it had already been out
on the B-side of "She Loves You". I use to have the
one sided promo single with it on one side and a blank
side on the other side. I guess because he had rights
to "She Loves You" that gave him clearance to release
it in Deutsch.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:38:12 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Love Is All Around
Joe Nelson wrote:
> If any TV theme of the 70's deserved to be a hit, it was Sonny's
> recording of the MTM theme ("Love Is All Around"). I'm not sure
> this was ever even remixed for official release. Anybody know
> otherwise (God willing)?
I don't know whether either was ever released, but I believe Sonny
Curtis recorded two different versions of his touching theme song for
the Mary Tyler Moore Show. If I'm not mistaken, the first was used only
for the show's debut season (1970?), and the other, with slightly
different lyrics, used for the rest of the show's duration.
The song later became something of a post-punk anthem, first recorded
in that milieu by Husker Du, in a typically explosive performance that
played off the fact that they shared a Minneapolis base with the
fictional TV show. I've heard at least two other post-punk versions
recorded after their's, although I can't recall who they were by.
--Phil M.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:23:57 -0700
From: Richard Globman
Subject: Re:The many facets of Northern 'Soul'
Howard:
> It seems the northern soul debate is off and running again on Spectropop
> in a big way!! Having been involved on the scene since it's humble
> beginings and currently active on it now, frequenting all nighters and
> editing a fanzine which is aimed at the rare soul scene, I dare venture
> to add few more 'fascinating' facts about the music ...
Thanks, Howard...that was a terrific post. Having grown up in the
southeastern U.S. I've been exposed to beach music all my life. Recently,
I stumbled upon Northern Soul and joined one of the seemingly zillions of
mailing lists...the KTF ("Keep The Faith") list.
A UK friend send me 3 CD's containing about 4500 ra files. I'm still only
about halfway through the second CD but the similarity between Northern
and beach is amazing.
I don't really understand the different facets...Northern, modern, R&B,
etc....but the music is great.
DickyG
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:17:17 -0400
From: Pres
Subject: The many facets of Northern 'Soul'
Howard Earnshaw writes:
> From the very beginings not all records played in the Clubs were
> strictly soul records, with the UK so far from the States, many of
> the original records were copied by white bands here, I give you...
> The Alan Bown Set "Gonna Fix You Good") ...
Sometimes I get creeped out about the coincidences between what gets
mentioned on this list and what I'm doing at the time. There I am,
minding my own business checking google returns the above mentioned
song when the latest S'pop digest arrives in my email. Oooo - weeeee
- ooooh...
So, I know it was written by Teddy Randazzo and done by Little Anthony
but who produced the Alan Bown Set's version, when was it released,
and - pushing my luck - what label and label number.
I recently encountered this song on an EMI comp, The Best Northern Soul
All Nighter ... EVER!, and was trying to find out more about it.
In a related story, last night I was listening to another northern soul
comp, Soothers and Movers , and reviewing the liner notes when I found
that track # 13, "Where Were You (When I Needed You) by Ernie Andrews
was co-written by Mr. Al Kooper. If the distinguished gentleman has
returned from his Pompadour'd Spelling Bee in Athens, I'd love to hear
anything he may know about said recording produced by David Axelrod.
Apparently your copyright is, indeed, controlled. Hmmmm, you buy a cd
for a couple of Clydie King tracks and you get familiar eface thrown in.
pres
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:24:37 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Candymen / Beach Music
"Georgia Pines" was a fabulous treat! Thanks for putting it in musica!
Beach music sounds like my kind of thing just like Northern soul. Lots
of melody, lots of dance rhythm, and lots of feelings expressed equals
lots of FUN.
Those 3 tunes by Epic Splendor, The Tams, and Chairmen of the Board are
classic examples. And I also love "She Shot A Hole In My Soul" by
Clifford Curry so I'm happy to hear that Austin R is in contact with him
too!!!
Bobster
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:15:48 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Bert Berns' British productions / Elaine and Derek
Peter Lerner:
> I remember Elaine & Derek as being a related young teenage duo
> (brother and sister I think, 12/13 years old) from Northern
> Ireland. I believe that Derek is one Derek Bell, who became a
> classical musician of some note, then joined the Irish folk
> band The Chieftains as a harp (classical harp, not blues harp!)
> player. Derek Bell sadly died a little while ago.
Sure, Elaine and Derek were a brother and sister act, but their
surname was Thompson. Derek became famous as Nurse Charlie Fairhead
in Casualty, the crap UK TV hospital drama, not forgetting the more
recent spin-off, Holby City. I have a video clip of one of the duo's
musical performances somewhere. I haven't heard their Bert Berns-
produced tracks.
Thank God for ER!
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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