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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Sie Liebt Dich
From: Eddy
2. Judy Dyble
From: Kingsley Abbott
3. Re: Diamond Records Masters
From: Paul Urbahns
4. Re: Beach Music
From: Bill Swanke
5. Re: songs & sampling
From: Gary Myers
6. Don Thomas and the Sex Pistols
From: Mick Patrick
7. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
From: Martin Roberts
8. Re: Don Thomas and the Sex Pistols
From: Phil X Milstein
9. Re: Beach Music
From: Phil X Milstein
10. Re: Tell Me What He/She Said
From: Alan Guida
11. Re: UK covers
From: Bill George
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:30:42 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Sie Liebt Dich
I wrote:
> Except for its appearance on the Swan 45, Sie liebt dich remained
> unreleased in both UK and USA until the Rarities LP's.
Steve Harvey:
> Not quite, it's on Past Masters Vol. 1.
Past Masters appeared AFTER the Rarities LP's, didn't it... (1979/
1980 vs 1988).
Eddy
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 12:53:51 +0100
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: Judy Dyble
For those who wanted follow-up info, Judy's new album 'Enchanted
Garden' emerges on 6th September on Talking Elephant Records.
The lady herself invites any interested parties to visit
http://www.JudyDyble.com for more details.
Kingsley
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:34:25 EDT
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Re: Diamond Records Masters
Shawn and Mikey were discussing the Diamond Records masters:
Shawn said:
> I wish someone out there knew who has posession of the Diamond
> masters; they need to get put out on CD.
Mikey wrote:
> From what I'm told, a lot of the Diamond Records Masters were lost
> in a fire around 1973.
I would think the question would be who owns the rights. I know someone
said Ronnie Dove licenses his stuff because no one else does, from
records. But if a person could show they own the rights they should be
able to get tapes returned from foreign distributors of the label.
They'd probably be mono, but tapes not LPs like Ronnie Dove uses. Loop
De Loop by Johnny Thunder turned up in stereo on a Discollectors Stereo
Oldies CD. I don't have my copy handy but I wonder if anyone on this
list knows the story behind that find. Is it from an album?
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:41:14 -0500 (Central Standard Time)
From: Bill Swanke
Subject: Re: Beach Music
What Austin writes is very true. The heart of Beach Music along
the "Grand Strand" is in North Myrtle Beach with clubs such as Fat
Harold's, Ducks & Ducks Too, H's 'N OD, the OD Cafe, OD Arcade,
Pirates Cove, Boulevard Grill and OD Pavilion all featuring heavy
doses of Carolina Beach Music.
There are many local Carolina bands such as the Band of Oz, Catalinas,
Coastline, Billy Scott & the Prophets, Embers, Entertainers, Rickey
Godfrey Band, Men of Distinction and so on that are considered true
Beach Music Bands. And on the more national level you have the
Charles Pope Tams, Bill Pinkney's Original Drifters, Maurice Williams
& the Zodiacs, Bill Deal's Rhondels, and the Impressions to name a few
that draw large crowds in the Carolinas billed as Beach Music events.
For more information on this topic check out:
http://www.BeachMusicCafe.com
and to hear both Beach Music and Northern Soul listen to
http://www.live365com/stations/williecs
which features the "Beach Music Cafe" song by Clifford Curry, Johnny
Cobb, Austin Roberts and Steve Jarrell.
Regards,
Willie C.
See the Cafe at:
http://www.BeachMusicCafe.com
Listen to the Cafe at:
http://www.live365.com/stations/williecs
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:38:59 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: songs & sampling
Country Paul:
> I believe the rules regarding doing someone else's song state that
> you get four notes that sound like something else to claim for your
> own; beyond that, you're redoing someon else's work and they get
> paid for it.
I commented on this a few weeks ago, so I won't try to repeat the whole
thing, but I don't think there is any such specific rule or law. (Must
admit, however, I've never heard the "4 notes" thing before. I've
mostly heard 4 bars). According to music attroney Al Schlessinger (and
this is from a Tommy Boyce songwriting seminar in 1976), it all depends
on how important the line is in the song, etc., i.e., a line containing
the song title in every chorus carries much more weight than a line in
middle of the bridge, etc.
gem
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:44:33 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Don Thomas and the Sex Pistols
Is it me, or is it just a little warm today?
Anyway, back to Don Thomas, the brother of Jean of the Rag Dolls/
Les Girls. A year or so ago, S'popper Ian Slater turned up a few
songwriter demo acetates, one of which, although no performer was
credited on the label, is most likely sung by Don. Knowing Ian,
he'll see this message and post the track to musica. Then maybe
someone who knows Don can positively identify his voice.
Details are: "Don't Gimme No Lip Child", written by Don Thomas,
Jean Thomas and Barry Richards.
The song was recorded in 1964 by Dave berry as the b-side of "The
Crying Game" and again, some years later, by those nice boys the
Sex Pistols.
Watch this space.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 18:29:35 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
I trust you all rushed to view the new Celebrities on Record
feature last week:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/recordreviews.htm#celebs
Denny Bruce describes the session when Roosevelt Grier was
attempting for the umpteenth time to get the vocal down for
"I (Who Have Nothing)". He quotes Jack Nitzsche's telling of
the story: "Rosey's eyes were like a deer trapped in the
headlights - he focused on Jack, but when he brought down
his arm to point at Rosey, he would just blurt out 'I'."
To hear how Rosey and Jack fared, that track is the new
Record of the Week, now playing on the home page:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
Martin
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:25:32 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Don Thomas and the Sex Pistols
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Details are: "Don't Gimme No Lip Child", written by Don Thomas,
> Jean Thomas and Barry Richards.
> The song was recorded in 1964 by Dave berry as the b-side of "The
> Crying Game" and again, some years later, by those nice boys the
> Sex Pistols.
>From a Sex Pistols fansite:
Paul Cook: "'Don't Gimme No Lip Child' is a Dave Berry cover that we
totally changed. It's a jumpy uptight pop ditty. Berry was a crooner
who fancied himself a sex symbol. It was Glen's idea to do it."
--Phil M.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:34:20 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Beach Music
For the benefit of those who are still unsure of what is meant by "Beach
Music," I've always felt that The Drifters' "I've Got Sand In My Shoes"
is the closest to an archetypal Beach song out there, the one that most
wholly embodies the tempo, rhythm, mood and lyrical content of the
genre. If that one isn't available, another Drifters tune, "Under The
Boardwalk," will do almost as well. The most ubiquitous, and thus
perhaps most popular, Beach song seems to be Clifford Curry's "She Shot
A Whole In My Soul." Listen to these three in one sitting and, in my
opinion, you'll about have it.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:36:33 -0000
From: Alan Guida
Subject: Re: Tell Me What He/She Said
Charles Ellis:
> I believe the song ("Tell Me What He Said") is the hit made famous
> by Helen Shapiro, who was the British version of Connie Francis.
> She was so big in the early 60s that the Beatles opened for HER!!
Country Paul:
> The US version - a small hit - was by The Playmates.
Playmates was 1961. Ginny Arnell did it first in 1960 for Decca.
Adam G.
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:48:31 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: UK covers
Peter Lerner wrote:
> Mmm. Yes, but ... Jackie DeShannon had both the original and the hit
> of "What The World Needs Now Is Love", and methinks Dionne now tries
> to claim that one as her own, too.
Yep, and she was the one asked to sing it recently at a ceremony in Los
Angeles, where the song was being honored. They should have asked Jackie
of course. And from what I hear, Dionne can't sing anymore. Pity.
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