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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Goldmine
From: Ed Salamon
2. Re: Lenny Welch
From: Simon Bridger
3. Re: Hickory discog?
From: Joe Nelson
4. Re: Bob Finiz
From: Billy G Spradlin
5. Motown goes Karaoke
From: Billy G Spradlin
6. Re: Ron Dante's birthday
From: Joe Nelson
7. garden of Eden
From: Phil X Milstein
8. be sure to wear some flowers ...
From: Bryan
9. "San Francisco" in Bel Air?
From: Dennis Diken
10. Re: Lenny Welch
From: Gary Myers
11. Re: Hickory discog?
From: Gary Myers
12. call her Anna
From: Austin Roberts
13. Robert John search; free concert in Brooklyn
From: Country Paul
14. Re: the voice is a muscle
From: Al Kooper
15. Re: P.F. Sloan demo
From: Julio Niño
16. Re: The Four J's
From: Davie Gordon
17. Re: Hickory discog?
From: Austin Roberts
18. Re: Jim Ford + Like A Rolling Stone
From: Norm D. Plume
19. Re: Patty Duke to get her star
From: Louis Wendruck
20. Re: Hickory discog?
From: Andy
21. Re: Jimmy Ford
From: David L Gordon
22. Re: Hickory doc
From: David L Gordon
23. Re: Dionn label
From: David L Gordon
24. Re: Dionne
From: Bill George
25. Re: Black Pepper
From: John Berg
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:35:18 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: Goldmine
Bob Beason asked:
> I haven't seen an issue in years -- has this sad situation
> changed any?
IMHO, you haven't missed anything. I have subscribed to Goldmine
since the '70s, and Discoveries since it began, and hung in hoping
things would get better, but when my current subs run out, I'm gone.
They must believe that they can attract a younger (and larger)
audience by writing about more recent music, which -- regardless
of its merits -- is just not as collected.
In recent years, I have made constructive suggestions, and offered
to write articles about projects that I've been involved in, but current
editorial seems biased against the types of music we discuss in
this forum. In my business (radio), I've seen this many times: the
attempt to be bigger and younger with the resultant loss of the core
audience and subsequent implosion.
Ed Salamon
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:30:57 +0100
From: Simon Bridger
Subject: Re: Lenny Welch
Steve Harvey wrote:
> Just got a used copy of Lenny Welch's CD Anthology on Taragon Records,
> MCA. Besides the obvious inclusion of "Since I Fell" (which starts with a
> little studio chatter) two other cuts stand out, "Father Sebastian" and
> "Darling Take Me Back". The former has nothing to do with John B., but
> is a clever "confessional" plea with a kind ofItalian feel to it. The latter
> definitely sounds like it was written after listening closely to the Walker
> Brothers' version of "Make It Easy On Yourself". Very bombastic.
DTMB is a very nice tune, a similar tune to Lenny's 45 'Run To My Lovin'
Arms', on Kapp, which has a fantastic flip, 'Coronet Blue'.
Simon
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:13:35 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Hickory discog?
Dan in Dublin asked:
> Does anyone know where I could find a 45s discography for Hickory
> Records? I know Dan Fogelberg wrote some songs for The Newbeats
> on this label.
At www.spectropop.com of all places. From the menu at the left, select
Research Center. When the woman in the lab uniform appears, scroll
down to Spectropop Research Tool for Record Masters. Select 7" as the
format and Hickory for the label. This will call up all 827 Hickory singles,
listed alphabetically by artist. Click on the Label column header to put
them all in chronological order (or at least in the order of the record
numbers). Recordmaster.com became a pay service a couple of years
back: I'd like to issue a "thank you" here publicly to the Spectropop
team for making it availible here for free!
Joe Nelson
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:16:46 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: Bob Finiz
I dont know much about Bob Finiz, but he produced Carolyn Carter's
"I'm Thru," a great Spector soundalike, on Ace's "Where The Girls
Are, Volume 1" CD.
Sounds like Finiz had a fascination with the Spector sound -- he also
engineered the Kit Kats, with lots of reverb!
Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:58:34 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Motown goes Karaoke
I have been having a lot of fun listening to the 6-CD "Motown Original
Artist Karaoke Collector's Set" - these are made for "The Singing Machine"
box and uses the original master tapes and not cheap re-recordings.
They play fine on regular CD players.
Each CD has 6 songs with two remixes: a "split-track" mix with the
instrumental track on the left and the vocal track on the right, and the
other a complete stereo mix without the lead vocal. The sound quality
is amazing. On the split-track mixes you can hear the vocalists moving
around, shuffling papers, licking lips - edits, stuff that was buried in the
final mix.
And its fun to synch up 3-track stereo mixes with these mixes. I put
together a WIDE stereo mix of the "Velevettes "He Was Really Sayin'
Somethin'" and hope to synch-up a true stereo mix of "Jimmy Mack" if
I can figure those EQ, compresion and "bathroom reverb" settings
(right now it sounds too flat).
This is as close as a "Motown Sessions" box as we're going to get, I
hope the Singing Machine releases more of them in the future. BTW it's
cheaper getting the 6-CD set instead of buying them separately.
http://tinyurl.com/3uhas
Billy G. Spradlin
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:21:52 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Ron Dante's birthday
Laura Pinto wrote:
> Spectropop fave Ron Dante will be turning 39 years young (again)
> this coming Sunday, August 22. Anyone who would like to post a
> birthday greeting for him can do so by visiting this link:
39? I guess that explains the youthful sound behind "Sugar Sugar", which
came out when my now-40-year-old self was somewhere between
kindergarten and first grade :-) .
For Ron's birthday, there's a new song on the radio which co-opts said
melody, turning "candy girl" into "nasty girl" as well as making other
changes I won't waste my time listing here. Don't bother opening it.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:59:17 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: garden of Eden
Laura Pinto wrote:
> Spectropop fave Ron Dante will be turning 39 years young (again)
> this coming Sunday, August 22.
Speaking of birthdays, it's difficult to believe but on the following day
Barbara Eden turns SEVENTY. Even a genie, it seems, can't catch time
in a bottle.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:50:38 -0700
From: Bryan
Subject: be sure to wear some flowers ...
> I think Gold Star's reverb was the best I've ever heard. I think Scott
> McKenzie told me they had cut San Francisco there. Does anyone
> know for sure? (I've lost track of Scott.)
The last I heard of Scott McKenzie's whereabouts, he was a neighbor of
Bomp Records founder Greg Shaw. I believe he still lives in the Hollywood
Hills.
Bryan
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:08:22 -0400
From: Dennis Diken
Subject: "San Francisco" in Bel Air?
Austin Roberts wrote:
> I think Gold Star's reverb was the best I've ever heard. I think Scott
> McKenzie told me they had cut San Francisco there. Does anyone
> know for sure? (I've lost track of Scott.)
I'm not 100% sure but it's always been my understanding that "San Francisco"
was cut at John Phillips' home studio (in Bel Air?). I believe the "Papas &
Mamas" (with the interchangable face cover) LP was also recorded there.
The house and presumably the studio therein were later sold to Sly Stone.
Dennis Diken
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:59:21 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Lenny Welch
Steve Harvey wrote:
> "Father Sebastian" ... Anyone know any inside stuff? ...
Not "inside stuff", but this song was a minor chart record for The
Ramblers in '64. I don't know which version was first.
gem
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:17:03 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Hickory discog?
Danny D asked:
> Does anyone know where I could find a 45s discography for Hickory
> Records?
Ken Clee's Stak-O-Wax, Vol 2 has it, but you'd have to buy the whole book.
I think his website is something like waxntoys, or I can give you his email
address off-list.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:54:51 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: call her Anna
Louis Wendruck wrote:
> Patty Duke will finally be getting her star on Hollywood Walk of
> Fame on August 17, 2004 at 10:30 AM.
Until you've had the disease that Patty Duke has, you have absolutely no
idea how awful and devastating it can be. I admire Patty Duke (Anna) as
much as anyone I've ever known about. Her autobiographies have probably
helped more people with her disease than anyone can imagine.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:24 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Robert John search; free concert in Brooklyn
Just heard from Marc Scott (of The Front Porch), re: Bobby Pedrick, Jr.,
aka Robert John:
"As for the group backing Bobby Pedrick Jr; I haven't a clue. Never even
thought about it. I thought they were just session guys. After he did
Bandstand, he was the king of PS [Public School] 156 and then Arthur S.
Somers JHS [Junior High School] 252. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. I
prefered 'Stranded' too! If memory serves me well, one of the sides was
written by Doc Pomus and Mort Shuman."
By the way, Marc said thanks again for the interview in Spectropop. As a
result of it, an old friend he used to be on the road with got in touch with
him. His friend's son is curently with The Four Seasons (I assume playing
in the band), and as a result, Marc and Charlie [of the Front Porch] are going
to see Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons at a free concert in Brooklyn on
Thursday (Aug. 19th).
If you want to be there too, the bill stars Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons,
Dion, and Kenny Vance & The Planotones, and is hosted by Jay Black. It's at
7:30pm in Asser Levy Park, West 5th Street & Surf Avenue, Brighton Beach;
by subway: F, Q to West 8th Street/New York Aquarium; D to Coney Island/
Stillwell Avenue.
And that's the latest news ...
Country Paul
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:43:52 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: the voice is a muscle
previously:
> Well, I beg to differ. I saw Ms. Warwick at the Grand 1894 Opera House
> in Galveston, Texas about two years ago ... She doesn't have the strength
> of voice she once had (who does in their 60s?)
Tony Bennett, Don Everly, Tracy Nelson, Delbert McClinton, etc.
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:09:43 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Re: P.F. Sloan demo
Hola Everybody.
I want to thank Clark for playing the P.F. Sloan demo to music. It's a very
nice song, and the cross gender gives it an extra appeal. Was it composed
by P.F. Sloan alone, or with S. Barri?. I wonder if the demo was intended
for some specific girl/girls.
Chao,
Julio Niño.
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:35:55 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: The Four J's
Previously:
> The Four J's on United Artists (1958), Herald (1958) and Jamie (1964)
> were a Philadelphia group who were also known as the Fabulous Four
> who were on Chancellor (1960-62) recording in their own right and
> doing backup work for Frankie Avalon and Fabian.
Here's a link to some more info:
http://members.aol.com/rnbhighway/street2.html
Keep scrolling down and you'll find it. Bob Finiz isn't mentioned -
maybe he was a member in their later days. There was an article on the
group in "Discoveries", probably about eight years ago, but I don't
still have the relevant issue.
Davie
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:29:26 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Hickory discog?
Dan in Dublin:
> Does anyone know where I could find a 45s discography for Hickory
> Records? I know Dan Fogelberg wrote some songs for The Newbeats
> on this label. Thanks for any help.
I know that Hickory Records was based in Nashville , Tn. A very
talented buddy of mine, Larry Henley (wrote Wind Beneath My Wings)
sang lead in the Newbeats. The other two members of the group were
two brothers named Mathis. Probably the best way to get a discography
on the label would be to call BMI in Nashville (615-401-2000). If
they can't get the info for you they may know who can. As you probably
know, most of these smaller labels have been bought up (Gobbled Up) by
the big companies. I believe that a couple of B.J. Thomas's early
records were on Hickory.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:52:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Norm D. Plume
Subject: Re: Jim Ford + Like A Rolling Stone
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> I can pass along some b.g. info on the Jim Ford he
> refers to. The entire "Harlan County" album is great,
> highlighted by the title cut and Alex Harvey's "To
> Make My Life Beautiful." To my mind Ford belongs in
> the same category as Joe South, Billy Joe Royal and
> Tony Joe White, whatever that might be called (as the
> term "swamp pop" seems already taken by a slightly
> different brand of music).
Thanks for all the info, it's filled in a lot of gaps,
and I'll seek out his album.
I mentioned hearing "Harlan County" on the radio
recently. If any S'poppers want to hear it, go to:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/andykershaw/index.shtml
where you can listen again for the next few days.
It's the third track in on the programme. If you do,
please listen also to the second track, which I think
is great. It's called "Como Una Pietra Scalciata" by
Articolo 31 and is from the soundtrack of "Masked and
Anonymous". This is an Italian rap version of "Like A
Rolling Stone" and uses lengthy samples of Dylan's
original. This may be of interest to S'poppers,
because It features Al Kooper (somewhere in the
mix)....and is such a wonderful and audacious re-write
of a song that is as familiar to us as our own
breathing. Dylan must have sanctioned it as it's part
of the soundtrack to his movie. If he's heard it, I
wonder what Al thinks about it?
Norm D. Plume
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:46:30 -0000
From: Louis Wendruck
Subject: Re: Patty Duke to get her star
Proclaimed by the Los Angeles City Council, Johnny Grant the
Honorary Mayor of Hollywood proclaimed that it was Patty Duke Day in
Hollywood, California. A fantastic day seeing Patty Duke get her
star on Hollywood Blvd. in front of the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel.
I posted a photo of her posing in front of her star at:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst
I mentioned to her that she still has fans collecting her records
worldwide, and she was quite surprised. Also Eddie Applegate (Patty
Duke's boyfriend Richard on "The Patty Duke Show" was in attendance.)
She has a new movie coming out September 5, 2004 called "Murder by
Conviction" on the Hallmark Channel.
Sincerely,
Louis in West Hollywood, California
(P.S. I am headed for Italy tomorrow and am taking a cruise to
Greece and Spain including attending the closing ceremony of the
Olympic Games.)
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:44:18 -0000
From: Andy
Subject: Re: Hickory discog?
Dan wrote:
> Does anyone know where I could find a 45s discography for Hickory
> Records? I know Dan Fogelberg wrote some songs for The Newbeats
> on this label.
Go to the research center, in this group. It's a wonderful source.
I find myself using it several times a week !!!
andy
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:31:27 -0000
From: David L Gordon
Subject: Re: Jimmy Ford
Country Paul wrote:
> I'm on a roll - let's try one more from the thoroughly-obscure want list;
> Jimmy Ford[e], "Be Mine Forever," Stylo (possibly #2102, 1963 or so).
> I think that's the number, and I don't remember if he spelled it with an
> "e" or not. It's a southern ballad with girl-group backing; it may be a
> B-side. Anyone with any help on this, please?
It's from 1959, according to "Rockin' Country Style":
http://rcs.law.emory.edu/rcs/artists/f/ford7000.htm
Click on the "LS" next to the title to see a label scan.
RCS lists another Jimmy Ford, but since the "other" one, on Esther, has
the same publisher as the Stylo single I think we can assume they're one
and the same:
http://rcs.law.emory.edu/rcs/artists/f/ford7500.htm
Davie
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:51:02 -0000
From: David L Gordon
Subject: Re: Hickory doc
Danny D asked:
> Does anyone know where I could find a 45s discography for Hickory
> Records? I know Dan Fogelberg wrote some songs for The Newbeats
> on this label.
I think you may be getting confused with Dan Folger -- he was a staff writer
for Acuff-Rose who owned Hickory. As far as I know Dan Fogelberg had no
connections to Hickory. Try this link for more info. on Dan Folger:
http://www.geocities.com/spikeopath/folgerdisco.htm
Davie
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:49:10 -0000
From: David L Gordon
Subject: Re: Dionn label
James Botticelli wrote:
> I have never heard a word about Finiz, although his name seemed
> to frequently come up on records on the Dionn label, which I believe
> was Philly based.
Dionn was owned, I believe, by Gilda Woods, wife of Georgie Woods,
a Philly DJ. Gilda IIRC was also manager of Brenda and The Tabulations.
The label was dropped in '69 and replaced by the Top & Bottom label,
again distributed by Jamie/Guyden.
There are a few other artists on Dionn but they're pretty obscure,
northern soul fave Moses Smith and Bill Lucas.
Davie
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:25:56 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Dionne
previously:
> I just wish she would get with a great producer and do some new adult
> pop material (and leave the Hip Hop Nation at home -- PUH-LEASE!).
About six years ago or so, Dionne was supposed to be recording a new album,
partially produced by Whitney Houston. I managed to get two songs to her and
was told she was set to record them on a certain day. I don't know if they ever
actually got on tape or not, but I doubt it as I never heard them. The CD
eventually came out, after changing producers and repertoire. She re-recorded
her old hits instead of recording the new songs originally planned. I don't know
what her other new songs were like, but mine were pop ballads -- no hip hop.
Too bad it never happened.
Bill
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:54:16 EDT
From: John Berg
Subject: Re: Black Pepper
Most definitely Roy Lee Johnson did "Black Pepper", along with a bunch of
other tasty soul-blues numbers beginning in the early 1950s and continuing
until recently.
My awareness of him arose through my involvement in a project to relocate
Robert Ward (which led to his recording several CDs for the Black Top and
Delmark labels, plus I put together a CD for the Relics label, compiling all his
'60s material with the Ohio Untouchables and a solo 45.)
Robert and RLJ had been in a band down south, The Brassettes, with at least
one 45 on release -- alas I have yet to hear this rare single. Robert then headed
north, to Dayton, and put together the Ohio Untouchables, which evolved
(after his departure) into the Ohio Players. I far prefer their earlier material
with RW, but they got the cash!
John Berg
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