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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Blaine Book
From: Mike Rashkow
2. Q. for Austin Roberts (Columbus Jones)
From: Jeff Lemlich
3. Re: Cold Light Of Day; Rocky
From: Gary Myers
4. story on Bob Eubanks & Beatles '64
From: Gary Myers
5. Re: new "Smile" CD
From: Bill Tobelman
6. Roemans thanks; Jimmy Ford; mags; Hickory discog
From: Country Paul
7. Re: new "Smile" CD
From: Chris Ullman
8. Re: new "Smile" CD
From: Rob
9. Re: Brian Wilson on Larry King
From: Al Kooper
10. Re: Rocky
From: Austin Roberts
11. Brian & Smile
From: Richard Williams
12. Re: new "Smile" CD
From: Kurt Benbenek
13. New Voice demise/Wirtz releases
From: Mark Frumento
14. Smile vs. Smile
From: Susan
15. new girls to musica
From: Clark Besch
16. Re: Magic Lanterns
From: Peter Lerner
17. Re: Alan Bown's "Gonna Fix You Good"
From: Peter Lerner
18. Re: new "Smile" CD
From: Andrew Hickey
19. Re: Sunshine Company
From: Joe Foster
20. Re: Rocky
From: Joe Nelson
21. Paul & The Pack
From: Bob Rashkow
22. Dickey's Rocky
From: Bob Rashkow
23. Re: Blaine Book
From: Mikey
24. Re: New "Smile" CD
From: Mark Wirtz
25. Re: Brian Wilson on Larry King
From: Bob Rashkow
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:01:22 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Blaine Book
Austin Roberts wrote:
> Hal has a book out called Hal Blaine And The Wrecking Crew,
> though it's hard to find.
Well, not that hard. http://www. abebooks.com and
http://www. amazon.com both have multiple copies available.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:20:32 -0400
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Q. for Austin Roberts (Columbus Jones)
I found a 45, "Sharon Stay In Birmingham," by Columbus Jones on
White Whale 315. Austin is credited as the writer; Tobin and Cymbal
share producer credits. I can't place the voice, so I have to ask: "Who
was Columbus Jones"?
Thanks,
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:34:49 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Cold Light Of Day; Rocky
me, earlier:
> FWIW, this record bubbled under in BB for 4 wks in Sep-Oct '66.
> Highest position - #115.
then:
> It's worth a million to me, I'm a bit of a chart position, release date,
> label credit freak ...
Well, I have several Whitburn books, etc., so if you're looking for Bubbling
Under positions, I can help.
> I can't vouch for any airplay in my hometown of Baltimore.
Are you aware of Joe Vaccarion's book, "Baltimore Sounds"? I just
got it.
gem
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:38:00 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: story on Bob Eubanks & Beatles '64
Sunday's L.A. Times "California" section has a story about Eubanks
mortgaging his house to bring the Beatles to L.A. in '64. Probably
accessible at http://www.latimes.com (although registration might
be required).
gem
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:59:56 -0400
From: Bill Tobelman
Subject: Re: new "Smile" CD
C. Ponti wrote:
> There is no more rabid fan of Brian and VD Parks than I. Still, what
> I want is the original tracks mixed, hopefully by Mark Linett, who
> has so lovingly done much of the other stuff.
I think that all Smile fans agree that a comprehensive release of the '66-'67
material is a must!
But what is happening in the present moment with Brian and Van Dyke
finishing up Smile is well worth documenting. There are some new lyrics
and a few new parts added to finish the original vision. These guys aren't
getting any younger, now is really the time to embrace their effort.
An extensive box set of the original tapes will hopefully come in the very
near future, but in the meantime you might consider giving the original
creator's finally finished vision a listen.
-Bill
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:36:57 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Roemans thanks; Jimmy Ford; mags; Hickory discog
Credit Where Due Dept.: I think I owe Jeff Lemlich an apology and a vote
of thanks for The Roemans' "Your Friend." I think that in my enthusiasm
I extended only half the appropriate thanks, so Jeff, thank you! (If you
yelled at me between a week ago's posting and now, mea culpa -- I haven't
read it yet.) And yes, I still love the song -- and the other Roemans track
on musica as well.
me, earlier:
> Jimmy Ford[e], "Be Mine Forever," Stylo (possibly #2102, 1963 or so).
Norm D.:
> Is this the same Jim Forde of "Harlan County" fame, who wrote other
> songs later covered by Nick Lowe?
Couldn't tell you, Norm -- I've only got a name (and I'm not even sure of
the spelling), a song, and an update on the label, and a memory of what it
sounded like -- doo-wop tempo rockabilly ballad with girl-group backing,
spare, imperfect, yet beautiful -- and well over 35 years since I last heard
it. According to the RCS website, the record was Stylo ST-2105, released in
June, 1959. The label scan [!] shows the song to be written by Jimmy Ford
and "a Foster Johnson Production." Stylo was a division of Dub, which, if
I'm not mistaken, had the original version of "Lama Rama Ding Dong" [sic]
by the Edsels. Could he be the "Harlan County" Ford? Can't tell, but "HC"
Ford sounds like an interesting fella, thanks to Phil Milstein's bio posting.
BTW, the two Jim Ford 45s on Mustang, Del-Fi's subsidiary, are:
3025 -- Jim Ford : Linda Comes Running / Sing With Linda (1967)
3027 -- Jim Ford : Ramona / ? (1967) [Mustang's last 45]
Bob Beason:
> I was a faithful Goldmine reader for several years, until the mid '90s
> when the publisher sacked editor Jeff Tamarkin and replaced him
> with a new guy who promptly shifted the magazine's focus from
> '50s/'60s rock and R&B to 70s/80s and such genres as heavy metal
> and hip-hop. Except for the occasional Elvis and Beatles issues,
> anything recorded before the early 70s was totally ignored. I haven't
> seen an issue in years -- has this sad situation changed any?
There's a token R&B column from Marv Goldberg, whose knowledge is vast, but
I don't dive for each issue when it comes in the door the way I used to. Its
sister publication, Discoveries, seems to be aimed more toward the '50s/'60s,
but not all that much. Either I'm getting older, or the mags are becoming
increasingly irrelevant tome, or both -- haven't figured itout yet, nor
cancelled my subscriptions.
Steve Harvey, all I know about Lenny Welch's "Father Sebastian" is that it
got some airplay in New York; don't think it sold many copies, however.
Danny D:
> Does anyone know where I could find a 45s discography for
> Hickory Records? I know Dan Fogelberg wrote some songs for
> The Newbeats on this label.
Join the Hillbilly discussion group @ Yahoogroups:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/hillbilly. Their Files section has some
amazing label discographies; in addition to Hickory, there are some
gargantuan labors of love for the likes of Brunswick, Cadence, Capitol,
Columbia, Coral, Decca, Dot, and tons more! I haven't opened up all the
files, but the Hickory list is quite complete. I think this is a great
resource, even if you aren't a hillbilly music fan.
Country Paul
(got it down to 5 days behind!)
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:38:04 -0000
From: Chris Ullman
Subject: Re: new "Smile" CD
C. Ponti wrote:
> Re-performing is all very nice, and I thank the stars that Brian
> survived to do it, but ... give us the original tracks!
The original tracks are out there. I can't imagine a Smile box set would
be any more complete than the Sea Of Tunes bootleg CDs doing the
rounds. Legitimate maybe, but I don't believe Brian (or Bruce, Al or
Mike) have any more "hidden" tapes. They spent the entire '70s trying
to salvage pieces of it to appease the record company.
And you do Brian a bit of a disservice by saying that "reperforming is all
very nice." I caught the show at Birmingham Symphony Hall, and it was
quite simply staggering. I know Smile as well as any afficionado, and I
was gobsmacked by the attention to detail, and the segments incorporated.
Apart from slightly lame outtakes such as "George Fell Into The French Horn"
(which probably wasn't ever intended to be part of Smile anyway) being left
out, and the genuinely missing songs (i.e. "I'm In Great Shape," which
emerged as a tiny stoned fragment on Endless Harmony -- and this same
fragment is present live), it's all there. Holidays, Barnyard, I Wanna Be
Around, the Woodshop section, Fire, the Water chant, the Hawaiian section
of Good Vibrations -- you name it. In fact Smile live was so good I don't want
or need a record. It emerged as a far superior brother/sister to Van Dyke
Parks 'Song Cycle'. There were new sections, and new segues which I have
to say worked perfectly. Even Wire's grumpiest reviewer David Toop was
moved to admit it was a triumph.
I've ignored Brian's solo work since the first solo LP (barring some Paley
collobarations that haven't been released properly). I certainly won't be
going near his just-released LP, yet Smile live was even more than the sum
of its parts. I'm not sure the new record could live up to it, but I'm willing
to give it a try.
Chris
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:58:06 -0000
From: Rob
Subject: Re: new "Smile" CD
Sad to hear the new Smile release will be mostly new recordings. So,
no vocals, even, will be from the original sessions? That may be kind
of scary. Will there be fully realized versions of songs from Smiley Smile?
Forgive my lack of Brian knowledge, but does anyone else find Smiley
Smile an interesting listen, albeit somewhat frustrating? I especially like
the early versions of Good Vibrations with all the studio chatter on the
CD of this album ... and, of course, Wind Chimes.
Rob
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:06:35 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Brian Wilson on Larry King
Mark F. wrote:
> That Brian seems taught to perpetuate it is uncomfortable for
> me. It makes me wonder if he really does remember his past.
Brian's problems are a big part of him. He must wear them like clothing.
It's not his fault.
The only thing I LOVED about the Larry King debacle was the fact that
Brian was much stronger than I imgined he would be. If that's coaching,
perhaps he'll get a lifetime achievement award at the Oscars this year.
If Melinda kept him from the press a la Dylan, would it be any better?
Al Kooper
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:12:09 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Rocky
Pres wrote:
> And while I have your attention, Mr. Roberts, thanks for "Rocky."
Hey Pres,
I'm glad you liked Rocky. It was a great song, written by Jay Stevens
from Springfield, Missouri. When Bob Montgomery and I got the song we
immediately went in and cut it, then sold it to Larry Uttal at Private Stock
Records. Went Top 10 here, and was big overseas too. Dickey Lee had
a Number 1 country record with it, and sometimes when Dickie and I do
a show together we sing it together.
Thanks again for liking it.
Best,
Austin Roberts
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:53:13 +0100
From: Richard Williams
Subject: Brian & Smile
While respecting the always interesting views of Messrs Ponti and Milstein,
I feel moved to offer the observation, based on the evidence of the London
concert performances, that a newly recorded version of Smile by that
personnel might be just as worthwhile as a fully authored reconstruction of
the original tapes. What it would lack, of course, would be the voices of
Brian and the other Beach Boys in their prime. But I emerged from the
Festival Hall anxious to hear it again in exactly that form, played with
wonderful energy, enthusiasm, skill and respect. So I'll be first in the
queue.
Richard Williams
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:24:37 -0000
From: Kurt Benbenek
Subject: Re: new "Smile" CD
Mark Frumento wrote:
> Given that the other Beach Boys aren't around to help finish
> the original recordings, the Brian Wilson version will have to
> do. Except what is up with the lame cover?
Which Smile album cover are you referring to? I'm sure whichever
label releases the 'new' Smile will have to design an appropriately 21st
century cover. However, the original, never-used Capitol cover is just
peachy the way it is -- it's very innocent-looking, and it perfectly
complements the intense diversity of the music inside.
As a gentle reminder, I recommend "Look! Listen! Vibrate! Smile!",
Dominic Priore's exhaustive compendium of Smile articles and press
clippings. The revised edition, available from Last Gasp, is an
intriguing 300-page book. As we approach the official, 'historic'
release of one version of Smile or another, Priore's book is a good
prep course for Smile newcomers, and it's also an excellent document
of The Beach Boys' mega-popularity in England circa-1966.
Kurt Benbenek
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:27:56 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: New Voice demise/Wirtz releases
Has anyone researched the history of the New Voice label beyond what
can be found on the Web? The only thing I can find about the label folding
is that Bob Crewe wanted to merge Dyno-Voice and New Voice together.
In looking into Mark Wirtz's relationship to the label it seems that he was
unlucky to have released 'Teenage Opera' and Tomorrow's 'My White
Bicycle' on the label at or very near the end of its existence. In fact it looks
like the Tomorrow record (NV 827) never made beyond promo copies.
'Teenage Opera' was rife with spelling errors and apparently confused
or non-existent advertising.
Any help with information on New Voice, its financial or organizational
state, etc., would be helpful. I'm also interested in any promotional
material for the two Wirtz related projects. Please write me off-list if you
can help.
Mark F.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:42:32 EDT
From: Susan
Subject: Smile vs. Smile
Smile 1967 has sat around for 35 years, no closer to coming out than it was
in 1967. The "new" version is a reality that the original version never was,
because the original was never finished.
I was there in London for the very first performance, and for the next two.
Live, it is an amazingly powerful experience; the bootlegs I've heard don't
do it justice, so I'm waiting impatiently for the live CD and DVD we've been
promised. I'm also very much looking forward to this studio version due
out next month.
My belief is that if these versions of the new arrangement are well received,
an archival box set -- which is REALLY what everybody wants! -- will make its
way to official release sooner rather than later. If, however, the new versions
are greeted with groans of disappointment, with complaints that "it's not
the real thing ..." or with indifference, there's no way we'll see that archival
box for another 40 years. And by that time ... well, you finish the sentence.
Susan
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:42:43 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: new girls to musica
Just posted to musica are a couple of cool girl groups sounds you might
enjoy.
First is a song reminiscent of the Dusty Springfield mid '60s sound, with
a touch of the American girl group sound in there too. It's "Marvellous
Boy", by Moya Donnelly. Anyone have any story on this 45? I was planning
it for a "Best of USA/Destination Records," to be released by Fuel 2000,
but have yet to get a "go" on the comp. They were pretty set to do a 2-CD
of USA pop stuff from the tapes of these legendary Chicago labels, but
the economic downturn has since limited possiblities for it to come out.
Maybe someday. Anyway, Bob Monaco's label had few female artist
releases, and this one is listed as having been "recorded in England",
making it look like Moya was a British singer. That might be true, but
USA had some misleading credentials on their 45s at times. There are
various clues that someone out there might recognize that might explain
the origin of this cool song. It was Destination 616, thus predating the
Cryan' Shames' "Sugar & Spice" by about 4 months. "Marvellous Boy"
was released around January or February, 1966. Written by Harold Spiro,
produced by Hal Ashley, arranged by Paul Maguire, published by Essex,
with the same credits on the B-side. Anyone know of this singer, and
whether she had other releases?
Also, with the positive response to the P.F. Sloan demo, I've played to
musica a 45 some of you might already know, "I've Got Better Things To
Do", by the Accents featuring Sandi. I have no idea who this was, but I
would guess some of you do. Unlike many Sloan covers, this actually
had his involvement! Released on CRC (Charter Record Company) 1017,
this dark song was not only written by Sloan and Barri, but arranged by
them as well. Would be neat to hear a demo of this. The B-side was written
by G. Lapano, if that gives any clues. Anyway, hope you enjoy these 2 sides.
Clark
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:33:03 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Magic Lanterns
Artie Wayne wrote (nearly two weeks ago):
> I don't know much about the Magic Lanterns, except for
> the hit I had with them in the U.K., "Excuse Me Baby"
> [Wayne], produced by Steve Rowland in 1966.
"Excuse Me Baby" was a nice record, played a whole lot on Radio Caroline
and nearly a hit, in spite of being given a great write-up by the influential
"PL" in his Ellesmere Port Pioneer record review column.
Peter
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:26:44 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Alan Bown's "Gonna Fix You Good"
Howard Earnshaw wrote:
> The Alan Bown Set --"Gonna Fix You Good" ... I know it was
> written by Teddy Randazzo and done by Little Anthony, but who
> produced the Alan Bown Set's version, when was it released,
> and -- pushing my luck -- what label and label number.
Don't think anyone else has answered this while I've been on hols. It was
Pye 7N 17256, released in 1967. I saw the band around that time, and
they were a competent UK soul band -- a bit later they transformed into
"The Alan Bown" and became a little pretentious, as befits the time and
place.
Peter
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:54:28 +0100
From: Andrew Hickey
Subject: Re: new "Smile" CD
C. Ponti wrote:
> Re-performing is all very nice, and I thank the stars that Brian
> survived to do it, but ... give us the original tracks!
The majority of the tracks that Brian's using have been released --
here's a breakdown of what'll be on Smile:
* Our Prayer (released - 20/20 and Good Vibrations box set)
* Gee (released - GV box)
* Heroes & Villains (released)
* Do You Like Worms? (incomplete - what *is* there was released on the
box set)
* Barnyard (incomplete, but a demo version was released on the Endless
Harmony CD)
* Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (UNRELEASED)
* Cabinessence (released 20/20)
* Wonderful (released GV box)
* Look (incomplete and unreleased)
* Child Is Father Of The Man (incomplete & unreleased)
* Surf's Up (released)
* I'm In Great Shape/Workshop (incomplete, demo released on EH)
* Vegetables (released)
* Holiday (incomplete & unreleased)
* Wind Chimes (complete)
* Fire (unreleased)
* I Love To Say Dada (incomplete but released on GV box)
* Good Vibrations (released).
So of 18 tracks, 11 have been released. Of the remaining seven, two have
been released as demos and were never completed in the studio. That
leaves only Look, Child Is Father Of The Man, I'm In Great Shape, Holiday
and Fire unreleased. None of those tracks had finished vocals, and none
are especially interesting as plain backing tracks.
JK wrote:
> apart from Van Dyke's involvement the main unsung hero of this
> venture has to be Wondermint keyboard mystro Darian Sahanaja.
Don't forget as well Brian's woodwind player Paul Mertens, who did the
string and horn arrangements, which add a *lot* to the sound, and are a
vital part of the current incarnation of Smile.
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:46:05 +0100
From: Joe Foster
Subject: Re: Sunshine Company
Orion wrote:
> Speaking of Rev-Ola, I purchased a CD from then by the group
> The Sunshine Company. It sounds like it was made from LPs for
> sure, as track 11 has the sound of the needle picking up and about
> 6 or 7 seconds of distortion. The CD has a few other tunes that have
> "snaps, crackles and pops".
This one was from master tapes as supplied by EMI/Capitol, and was
mastered a number of years ago at Sound Mastering at Ace Records. I take
a lot of care with the stuff I put out, and I'm sorry you were disappointed
Best,
Joe
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:03:38 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Rocky
previously:
> And while I have your attention, Mr. Roberts, thanks for "Rocky."
> I used to call WCAO to request that record so often (back when
> you could actually talk to the DJ -- in this case, a family acquaintance)
> that he (Ken "The Merson Person" Merson) actually stopped by
> mother's office and gave her a copy of the 45 to send home to me.
> Perfect timing since I'd worn out the one I'd purchased.
The funny thing is, in spite of its Top 10 status I don't remember ever
hearing this on the radio. What I do remember is my mother fawning
over the Dickie Lee version whenever it was played on WHN in New York
City. In 1975, none of the record stores in Poughkeepsie stocked country
singles beyond the handful that dented the pop charts. I made a note to
keep an eye out "just in case", and after a few weeks I noticed Austin's
record. I knew who the singer I was looking for really was, but did a quick
brain scan: "Austin Roberts? 'Something's Wrong With Me'? 'Keep On
Singing'? Yeah, I can see him singing this," and bought the record.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:12:19 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Paul & The Pack
Gary Myers:
> ... we were called Paul & the Pack on that set ...
So Gary, you worked with Paul Stefan! How I wish I had some of the
45s he did. Wasn't he recording under numerous aliases all through
the mid-6Ts? Fascinating career, fascinating person. Did you know
him or work with him before the Tower sessions?
Bobster
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:28:34 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Dickey's Rocky
Question for Austin R.: Not having heard Dickey Lee's recording of
your fabulous hit "Rocky", in 1975 did he still have that "Laurie"/
"Patches" sweet yet sharp edge to his singing voice? I always think
of Dickey as having a Bobby Vinton voice with about 3 times the
insulin. Patches must have been pretty high on the Country charts
too, but Laurie wasn't (if I had to guess)--Laurie, other than being
one of the sickest "sickies" of the Sickie Sixties, is pure pop
while Patches has much more of a heartland feel to it.
Bobster
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:33:08 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Blaine Book
Just for picks and grins, I happen to own the copy of Hal Blaine's
book he gave to Regis Filbin!!! Hal wrote a nice little message
to him inside it. Apparantly, Hal played on Regis' "Pennies From
Heaven" tune.
Mikey
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:44:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: New "Smile" CD
Has anybody involved in all these lively "Smile" debates considered
the fact that ALL classical music recordings/performances are "re-
performances" and newly generated recordings? Does that lessen their
substance in any way, despite their subtle, sometimes not so subtle,
"personalised" interpretations by soloists and conductors?
Were you to apply the same measures, standards, nit-picky prejudice
and expectations to the above mentioned classical works that are
being applied to poor Brian and his humanly most possible efforts in
sharing his music with us, I guess they would be demeaned into mere
peripherally meaningful "templates."
Or, does Brian have to die to dignify and legitimise his legacy?
Guys...! "Smile" is a piece of entertainment. Not the Holy Bible, or
a profound revelation of the purpose of human existence. Can't you
just sit back, open your ears and close your mouth, and simply enjoy
the bloody thing?
Just pondering all this stuff wrinkles my smile into a frown.
Mark Wirtz
www.markwirtz.com
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:01:39 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: Brian Wilson on Larry King
Paul Levinson, you've said it all: and if the tabloids start pouncing
on Brian and his condition as they inevitably might (if they haven't
already) I will tell people to ignore it and rejoice in all the great
work he's done for us.
Bobster aka "Humble in Brian's Presence"
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