Spectropop - Digest Number 1623

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• Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Landlord Corrections
           From: Eddy 
      2. Odessey and Oracle and Al
           From: Robert 
      3. Unit 4+2 Singles A's & B's
           From: S.J. Dibai 
      4. Re: Eric Carmen - Marathon Man - awesome book
           From: Mark A. Johnston 
      5. Samples and steals, how do you feel?
           From: Joe Nelson 
      6. Barbara Ruskin compilation.
           From: Julio Niño 
      7. Re: Dickie Lee, The Robbs
           From: Gary Myers 
      8. Re: Paul (Stefan) & the Pack
           From: Gary Myers 
      9. Re: All Night Workers
           From: S.J. Dibai 
     10. Re: Goldmine
           From: Tom K. White 
     11. Benny Gordon discography
           From: Davie Gordon 
     12. Baltimore Sounds / Tommy Vann & The Professionals
           From: Pres 


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Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:51:44 +0200
   From: Eddy 
Subject: Re: Landlord Corrections

Al,

Easy Does It was released *before* the Landlord soundtrack. So wasn't 
the Landlord version the re-recorded one?

Eddy



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Message: 2         
   Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:14:54 -0000
   From: Robert 
Subject: Odessey and Oracle and Al

Did a Zombies search in the message archive and saw that 6 months 
has gone by since Mr. Al Kooper has been thanked for helping bring 
the still amazing Zombies Odessey and Oracle LP to a wider audience. 
Thanks again Mr. K! Was re-reading the cd booklet for the 30th 
anniversary re-issue cd and was reminded of Mr. Al's involvement. 
Actually, all of the Zombies 60's music is just mind-boggling in 
it's consistency and atmosphere. I'll take them over the Beatles 
any (and every) day!              

Rob



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Message: 3         
   Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:47:59 -0000
   From: S.J. Dibai 
Subject: Unit 4+2 Singles A's & B's

Hi, gang. I've had the Unit 4+2 CD "Concrete and Clay" from 
Repertoire for a few years and like a lot of the tracks on it. For a 
long time it was the only CD available by this largely forgotten and 
underrated group. Even though that CD has 29 tracks on it, there's 
still quite a lot that wasn't included in that comp. I notice that 
Repertoire put out a new Unit 4+2 CD last year, called "Singles A's 
& B's." It repeats much of the material from the "Concrete and Clay" 
CD, but it also has several tracks that didn't make it to the 
previous comp. I wonder if it's worth purchasing. Two CD's by Unit 
4+2 seems a bit much, but at the same time there might be some 
killer stuff on the new anthology that I'm missing out on, and there 
may also be improvements in sound quality. Can anyone here help me? 
Are there any revelations on the new CD? Any tracks included in 
stereo, or remastered for better mono sound?

Thanks,
S.J. Dibai




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Message: 4         
   Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:14:02 -0400
   From: Mark A. Johnston 
Subject: Re: Eric Carmen - Marathon Man - awesome book

The book is superb and the Raspberries are scheduling reunion dates 
with the original line up.  There was a still born reunion a few 
years back and it had confirmed dates - I will wait for this one to 
materialize. The greatest American "power-pop" band bare - none. 




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Message: 5         
   Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:38:27 -0400
   From: Joe Nelson 
Subject: Samples and steals, how do you feel?

Al Kooper:
> The Love Theme from The Landlord was sampled by JayZ two albums back 
> and helped get my master bath renovated.

On which note I've meant to revisit an old post: Those who are exposed
regularly to teenagers are aware that the Archies' (hi Ron!) "Sugar
Sugar" was somewhat sampled and liberally borrowed from on the current
hit "Nasty Girl" by Nitty. I was going to approach Ron Dante privately
about this re: how he feels to hear such a cute song "dirtied up" so
badly, yet it seems to me that Andy Kim and Jeff Barry are probably
going to see more money from this one track than they've gotten in
years. So a show of hands: given the popularity of both sampling and
"tribute theft" (for lack of a better term), how does the list feel
when older songs get twisted up for representation to a contemporary
audience that may or may not know the originals?

Joe Nelson
(not meaning to slight Donna Marie by not saying hi, but she joined
the Archies after SS was recorded, so it didn't seem appropriate)



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Message: 6         
   Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:15:55 -0000
   From: Julio Niño 
Subject: Barbara Ruskin compilation.

Hola Everybody.

I'm in Madrid again, preparing myself pyschologically for the 
rentrée. No more midnight beach for a while. You may think that 
I'm a corrupt guy, but I find working very unpleasant. Anyway, 
I've been listening to the Barbara Ruskin compilation recently 
issued by President records. The selection and notes are by Mick 
Patrick. My favorite tracks are "No More To Fall", "Whising Your 
Life Away", both B-sides, and "The Loneliest Word In The World" 
and "Hiding Behind a Tear", both previously unreleased demos. 
The collection doesn't include "You Won't See Me Leaving", a 
beautiful demo played by M. Patrck in musica some months ago, 
and which I love. I'm going to have lunch (it's past six p.m., 
my schedules are totally out of control).

Chao.
Julio Niño.   




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Message: 7         
   Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:37:55 -0700
   From: Gary Myers 
Subject: Re: Dickie Lee, The Robbs

> Let's hear it for the Donaldson brothers!!!  aka The Robbs!

... Who are also covered in my Wisc. book.  :-)

gem



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Message: 8         
   Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:52:02 -0700
   From: Gary Myers 
Subject: Re: Paul (Stefan) & the Pack

Bob Rashkow:
> Thank you, Gary Myers, for the information!

You're very welcome. (I have lots more ).

>.. what little I do know about Paul Stefan's recording career I 
> learned from Jerry Osborne's record guide.

I've contributed a lot of info to Osborne, but some of it came out 
wrong, or he added other incorrect info to it, or whatever.

> possibly one of his solo singles from 1963 or so on Cuca or Dot

While Paul recorded at the Cuca studio, none of his releases are 
actually on that label. And, the Dot release is a reissue of Cite 
5007 (which was a hit in Milwaukee).

> ... according to Osborne he also recorded with Danny Peil and 
> Vilas Craig ...

That's one of the incorrect part. Peil took Paul's place with the 
Apollos (who, shortly after, changed their name to the Tigers). The 
Lancers no longer existed at that time.

Vilas Craig used the Royal Lancers on at least one of his sessions 
and probably some of his gigs (apparently when Craig's musicians 
left him, which seems to have been a fairly common occurrence with 
him), but that was before Paul was with the Lancers.

> Peil was in The Corporation in the late 6Ts ...

They are also covered in my book. Peil used to sit in with us 
occasionally in '64, before he joined the Apollos. He had a very 
Elvis look and style at that time.

gem



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Message: 9         
   Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:38:03 -0000
   From: S.J. Dibai 
Subject: Re: All Night Workers

Phil X. Milstein:
> Wonder no more, S.J. Now playing at musica is the All Night       
> Workers' original version of the Cale-Reed-Vance-Philips grinder 
> "Why Don't You Smile," aka "Why Don't You Smile Now?" It was 
> released as Round Sound 1, a label believed to be one of the many 
> subsidiaries of the Pickwick/Design combine.

Thank you for posting it! It was great to hear, very soulfully 
performed and the arrangement is haunting. Since it was released on 
a Pickwick subsidiary, could this account for Lou Reed's involvement? 
I know he was a member of their song factory in his pre-Velvet 
Underground days.

S.J. Dibai



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Message: 10        
   Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:57:29 -0000
   From: Tom K. White 
Subject: Re: Goldmine

Ed Salamon:
> ... I have subscribed to Goldmine since the '70s, and Discoveries 
> since it began, and hung in hoping things would get better, but 
> when my current subs run out, I'm gone. They must believe that 
> they can attract a younger (and larger) audience by writing about 
> more recent music, which -- regardless of its merits -- is just 
> not as collected.

Karen Andrew:
> This current mindset in the media and other aspects of society that 
> youth is better is frightening. I work for a newspaper and a number 
> of age 50-plus people have been eliminated one way or the other. 
> Also, they want to appeal to the "young professionals". It is 
> frightening to all of us who are considered old by those in power 
> especially when we still have a few good years left. This is all 
> strange to me as the largest part of the population is the Baby 
> Boomers! Hello!

The ironic thing is, I'm 20 and I can't get enough of 50s and 60s 
music. The British equivalent of Goldmine/Discoveries magazine, 
Record Collector is planning to launch a seperate magazine for this 
era and dedicate the main magazine to the 70s and 80s. This being 
the other half's musical area (barring a few cross-points like ABBA) 
he'll likely buy that, and i'll buy the new one! And before you ask, 
he's 35!





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Message: 11        
   Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:04:49 -0000
   From: Davie Gordon 
Subject: Benny Gordon discography

BENNY GORDON

Enrica 1015       (1962)  
Camel Walk (Benny Gordon)
Kansas City Woman (Benny Gordon)
Prod :  ?

Capitol 5367      (02/65) 
True Love Is All I Need (Gordon)
You Found A New Love (Gordon)
Prod :  ?

BENNY GORDON AND THE SOUL BROTHERS

RCA 47-8953       (12/66) 
Up And Down (Dennis Lambert,Lou Pegues)
Come And Get It  (         )
Prod / arr : Benny Gordon

RCA 47-9144       (03/67)
In The Midnight Hour (Cropper,Pickett)
Greyhound Bus (Gordon)
Prod :    ?

RCA 47-9194        (05/67)
What Is Soul (Ben E King,Bob Gallo)
I Can't Turn You Loose (Otis Redding)
Prod : Paul Robinson     arr - Teacho Wiltshire

RCA 47-9270        (08/67)
A Kiss To Build A Dream On (Kalmer,Ruby,Hammerstein)
It Comes And Goes
Prod : Paul Robinson     arr - Teacho Wiltshire

There's the album on Hot Biscuit to slot in here but
I don't have details of that one - maybe Jeff can help here
if he has the time.

BENNY GORDON

Wand 1188          (08/68)
Gonna Give Her All The Love I've Got
(Whitfield,Strong)
Turn On Your Lovelight (Malone,Scott)
Prod : Newmiss Productions
[this is a revival of Jimmy Ruffin's 1967 hit]

Estill 600/601     ( ?)
When I See Her Gonna Give Her All I've Got
So Much In Love (Benny Gordon,Chuck Dean)
Prod : Soul City USA Productions

Shadow 1012        (1971?)
Give A Damn - PT. 1 (Benny Gordon)
Give A Damn - PT. 2 (Benny Gordon)
Prod :  ?

Phil-LA of Soul 351  (05/71)
Give A Damn - PT. 1 (Benny Gordon)
Give A Damn - PT. 2 (Benny Gordon)
Prod : Kevin McManus
[I don't know if this a reissue or remake of the
 Shadow single]

Estill 1000        (1973?) 
Sugar Mama - PT. 1 (Benny Gordon,Douglas Loper)
Sugar Mama - PT. 2 (Benny Gordon,Douglas Loper) 
Prod : Soul City USA Productions

DeLuxe 145         (1973)   
Sugar Mama - PT. 1 (Benny Gordon,Douglas Loper)
Sugar Mama - PT. 2 (Benny Gordon,Douglas Loper)
Prod :  ?
[probably a reissue of the Estill single]

Estill is a small town in South Carolina near the Georgia border
- might be Benny's home town.

Davie







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Message: 12        
   Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:26:57 -0400
   From: Pres 
Subject: Baltimore Sounds / Tommy Vann & The Professionals

Gary Myers:
> Are you aware of Joe Vaccarion's book, "Baltimore Sounds"? I just 
> got it.

I wasn't until you mentioned it.  I see that it's available through 
Amazon Shops.  I'll have to squeeze it into next month's budget.

Have you come across any mention of Tommy Vann & The Professionals?  
They had a single called "Soul Sister Annie" on Capitol 2168 in the 
summer of 68.  I have about 5 copies of this early Seger-ish record, 
all of them in horrible condition.  I treasure this stomper.

The only places that I've ever seen the record - besides my Dad's 
collection, where I first discovered it - are in Baltimore thrift 
shops and my father claims that a Tommy Vann still can be found 
around the karaoke bars in the area so I've always assumed he's from 
the Baltimore area but know nothing about him.  

> Well, I have several Whitburn books, etc., so if you're looking for 
> Bubbling Under positions, I can help.

I have the Top Pop Singles book and treat it as a bible.  I'm still 
using the 55-96 (eighth) edition.  I keep a look out on ebay for an 
old "Bubbling Under" and "Top R&B Singles" but have had no luck.  
Thanks for the offer and I may just take you up on it.

pres



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