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There are 19 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Jimmy Curtiss / Bag
From: Stephane Rebeschini
2. Gayle Harris + Cathy Saint
From: Sheila Burgel
3. Re: Al Kooper's British LPs / The Herd
From: J. Stewart
4. Re: Carl Wayne, R.I.P.
From: Clark Besch
5. Julie Driscoll - Brian Auger LPs
From: Steve Grant
6. Re: Promo Men - Danny Davis
From: Austin Roberts
7. Re: Carl Wayne, R.I.P.
From: JK
8. Terry Phillips & Jerry Vance
From: Austin Roberts
9. Re: ... the art of the concept album
From: Tom Taber
10. Re: Promo Men - Ray Free
From: Ed Salamon
11. more "Smile" samples
From: Jens Koch
12. The Blossoms in "Change Of Habit"
From: Tony Leong
13. Re: Jaynettes
From: Mike McKay
14. Reissuing the Cowsills?
From: David Coyle
15. Topless jazz at the Metropole
From: Mikey
16. Cathy Saint and a flower-pot hat
From: Mick Patrick
17. Re: Bag on Jerden
From: Bob Rashkow
18. The Montanas
From: Gary Myers
19. Re: Promo Men
From: Brent Cash
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:14:00 +0200
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: Re: Jimmy Curtiss / Bag
Bobster a écrit:
> Jimmy Curtiss penned for and produced lots of great groups in the
> late 60s including the supergreat Bag....
Country Paul:
> Was this the same Bag that did "Incubatin' Middle-of-the-Night
> Gyratin' Blues" on Jerden 769 (1965)? (It's credited as a Jerden
> Production, which I always thought meant Jerry Dennon.) Or was there
> another Bag?
Bonjour de France,
It's another Bag, with an album on Decca "Real" in 1968/69, mix of
psych, soul, rock, pop; quite pleasant.
BTW, Jimmy Curtiss was also the owner of the Perception label in the
1969/73 period, with several interesting soul & rock acts. He also
released on Perception a solo LP as "J.C." titled "Life" in 1970 with
songs like You Can't Tell A Man By The Songs He Sing or Lack O'
Testicle Blues. Does anybody know if he kept on recording after 1973?
Stephane
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:07:01 -0400
From: Sheila Burgel
Subject: Gayle Harris + Cathy Saint
Hey all:
I'm in need of more information on two pop gals- Gayle Harris and Cathy
Saint.
I'm posting Gayle Harris' discography which Mick Patrick kindly
supplied. But I'd like to know more biographical info about the girl.
Anybody know?
GAYLE HARRIS Don't You Love Me No More CARLTON 584 63
GAYLE HARRIS Here Comes The Hurt CARLTON 584 63
GAYLE HARRIS Don't Make The Angels Cry CARLTON 597 63
GAYLE HARRIS They Never Taught That In School CARLTON 597 63
GAYLE HARRIS Ain't Gonna Let It Get Me Down DCP 1144 65
GAYLE HARRIS Here I Go Again DCP 1144 65
Also, Cathy Saint. The Daisy Records girl who cut "Big Bad World."
Know who she is?
Thanks!
Sheila
http://www.chachacharming.com
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:41:57 +0100
From: J. Stewart
Subject: Re: Al Kooper's British LPs / The Herd
The Herd did release "I Don't Want Our Loving to Die" although I much
preferred their gloriously over the top UK hits "From the Underworld"
and "Paradise Lost". The former was based on the Orpheus story complete
with tolling church bells and monk-like choir, the latter began and
ended with "The Stripper" music. Unfortunately, for my money, the rest
of their output, while always more than competent, was (not
surprisingly!) less memorable. Peter Frampton and Andy Bown were
members and wrote a number of their songs - though the hits tended to
be Howard-Blaikley compositions.
More info on http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll
JS
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 04:55:56 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Carl Wayne, R.I.P.
I have to agree with what's been written. Carl Wayne's songs with
the Move are classic. "Flowers in the Rain" heads the pack of
tremendous Move singles from the period. Sorry to hear such a
talent has passed.
Clark
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:54:51 -0400
From: Steve Grant
Subject: Julie Driscoll - Brian Auger LPs
Al Kooper:
> ... the famous Brian Auger-Julie Driscoll album
But ... which one? Open? Streetnoise? Jools and Brian (later retitled
If Your Memory Serves You Well -- one of the tracks was Dylan's Wheels
on Fire)? There's a world of difference -- they cover the gamut from
sublime to awful.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 04:42:10 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Promo Men - Danny Davis
(That) Alan Gordon:
> I know all of us at S'pop love to talk about the song's, writers,
> performers, producers, and labels etc. I would like to bring up a
> topic that brings a smile to my face, The Promotion Men of the
> business. Two that come to mind are Johnny Bond from Philly, and
> Otis Pollard who both sadly are no longer with us. I wonder if any
> of my fellow S'poppers have some good names and stories to share...
I remember Danny Davis out of DC and Baltimore.back in 1968 or 69,
Phillips Records came up with a promotion idea in Danny's area called,
embarrasingly, Win A Date With Austin Roberts. Anyway, Danny thought
it was hilarious but handled it well. Fortunately for me, a cute girl
'won'(?), so a limo took Danny and his wife, along with myself and
Miss Lucky (ha) to see Julie London at the Shoreham. Nice evening,
then Julie came over and sat in my lap and commenced to wiggle, so to
speak, while singing, then commented for all to hear, "the man's a
tripod"! Well what did she expect, Queer Eye For The Straight Guy?
Danny laughed his ass off but I'm afraid my date didn't get it until
I stood up. Then she got it. Danny was a great promo man and he never
let me forget Julie London. Ah, the good old days,
Austin R.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 07:34:01 EDT
From: JK
Subject: Re: Carl Wayne, R.I.P.
Back in the 60's I was a road manager to a popular Midlands group
called The Montana's who secured an opening spot on a Walker
Brothers Tour of the UK...I was told i was not required on this tour
by Maurice King (WBs' manager) as the WBs themselves hadn't got a
road manager....I came home despondant and went down to a local gig
for a drink. On stage that night were my friends Carl Wayne and the
Vikings with Bev Bevan and Ace Kefford. Charly told me that they
were disbanding to form a new group...The Move...I started hanging
out with the new group when they eventually formed and was
priviliged to work with them over the next two years. Carl eventually
left due to the old musical differences argument and much later
turned up in The Hollies. I hadn't seen him for many many years but
I went to a show in Wolverhampton and left a note to say I was in the
audience and would love to come back after the show and say hello.
The show started with 3 numbers back to back and Charly stepped up to
the microphone to say his first words to the sold out crowd. Those
words were "Where's John Kirby then" after which he proceeded to have
a conversation with me (in the 4th row center) and as I looked Tony
Hicks mouthed the words who the ++++ is John Kirby....He thought it
was really funny and we chatted after the show for quite a while about
those early days....
Yesterday's news has really saddened me......Charly was 63 and still
in possession of a great voice and great stage presence. The music
business has lost a great talent and I have lost a good friend....My
condolences to Sue and Jack. RIP pal, we had some good times and
(smashed a few Televisions).
.....................JK
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 05:16:28 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Terry Phillips & Jerry Vance
The Terry Philips, Jerry Vance and Donny Burks story brings back
memories from the early and mid sixties. I played at the Metropole
with Jerry's band when I was underaged, so imagine how delirious I
was when, on the first day, the girls were topless. Well alright!
Terry was living with Phil Spector right before I met him (Philips)
and he and Jerry produced the first single I ever had anything to
do with (as an artist) and sent me a Billboard Top 60 review on it
(though I don't think it ever made the top 600. The problem was, he
sent it to me in summer (of love) of 1967 when I was at basic
training for the Marine Corps at Parris Island. The D.I.'s weren't
impressed and kicked my but as they yelled at me `do you plan to
kill the V.C. by singing to them?
They also produced Donnie Burks who was a basketball star at St.
Johns before he was in Hair. He was a great guy.
Jerry and Terry were also working with Beverly Bremers (Don't Say
You Don't Remember) at that time, but before her hit; she was a
beauty.
Anyway, enough reminiscing for the time being; it just got away
from me for a little while.
Best, the verbose Austin Roberts
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 05:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: ... the art of the concept album
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> All this brings me to a question, one which will hopefully land us
> back in more Spectropoppish territory. Does anyone know of another
> album that was, in essence, a single long-format follow-up to a
> recent hit by the same performer?
Does Jan and Dean's "Surf City and Other Swingin' Cities" count?
Tom Taber
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:57:21 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: Promo Men - Ray Free
(That) Alan Gordon:
> I know all of us at S'pop love to talk about the song's, writers,
> performers, producers, and labels etc. I would like to bring up a
> topic that brings a smile to my face, The Promotion Men of the
> business. Two that come to mind are Johnny Bond from Philly, and
> Otis Pollard who both sadly are no longer with us. I wonder if any
> of my fellow S'poppers have some good names and stories to share...
Many of the promotion men were more colorful than most of the artists
they represented. One of my favorites from NY in the 70s was then
Epic local promoter Ray Free. Ray was memorable for always greeting
with a bebop phrase, "ool-ya-ko", from a Dizzy Gillespie tune, which
sometimes he would elaborate into a lengthy scat. He had worked for
Coral when Buddy Holly was recording in NY and told me a lot of those
stories. Ray was a perfect example of someone in the biz for the love
of music, all types of music (he was as enthusiastic about Country
artists like Johnny Paycheck and Charlie Daniels as he was with his
rock and pop stuff), and I loved hanging with those guys.
Some others I recall from NY in that era off the top of my head were
Matty Matthews (Columbia), Joe Maimone (Capitol), Juggy Gayles
(Independent), Bruce Schindler-now here in Nashville (Buddah/Elektra).
And at that time a few national guys were old buddies from Pittsburgh;
Frank DeLeo and Steve Popovich (CBS), Tom Cossie, Ray Anderson, Chuck
Dembrack (RCA).
Ed
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 08:57:53 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: more "Smile" samples
30-second clips of all the tracks on the new Smile in a zipfile can
be downloaded at http://martytingles.leicar.com/smileclips.zip
Jens
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:31:28 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: The Blossoms in "Change Of Habit"
Hey all: I just found a DVD copy of the 1968 Elvis movie "Change Of
Habit" and there are 2 scenes featuring the Blossoms. In the first,
Elvis is singing "Rubbernecking" and you clearly see Darlene, Fanita,
and Jeannie in the background. At the end of the movie there is a
church scene where the Blossoms are the backing singers again, only
there is another lady in place of Jeannie!!!! Anybody who has seen
the movie know WHO that other woman is???? Looking at her, I know she
is not the ususal suspect of mid-60's LA session singers that we all
know!!!!!!
Tony
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:12:02 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Jaynettes
Billy G Spradlin wrote:
> BTW was there an alternate cover for the (Jaynettes') "Sally..."
> LP? One website mentions a picture of the group on the cover. My
> copy is a promo, and only has a picture of Roses.
My version also has the roses on the front cover. There's no
indication that mine is a promo copy.
Here's a really esoteric question: does your copy happen to have what
looks to be a signature in the lower left front cover? I honestly
don't recall how I came to own this album, and I might think that
this was simply someone's attempt to identify it as a part of his/her
collection...except for the fact that it's done in a very thin,
*white* script. You wouldn't think that a pen that writes in white
ink would be real common (not back in that era, anyway)...and besides,
this genuinely looks to be a part of the album cover, rather than
something written on it. It's a very stylized, almost "artsy" looking
signature; the only letters I can make out are what looks like a "J"
on the first word, an "L" to begin the second and a "T" in the middle
of the second word.
Mike
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:24:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Reissuing the Cowsills?
Will there ever be a definitive compilation of the Cowsills? I have
seen the same two "Best Of The Cowsills" CDs with the same thrifty
14-track selection and zero in the way of liner notes, and I know
there are some album reissues out there, but I have yet to see
something that really samples their entire career. I'm thinking
there is enough out there to merit a boxed set, but I'd be more than
satisfied with a 2-CD set like Rhino did with the Turtles and the
Association. Is there any reason why this hasn't been done yet?
David
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:14:49 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Topless jazz at the Metropole
Austin Roberts:
> The Terry Philips, Jerry Vance and Donny Burks story brings back
> memories from the early and mid sixties. I played at the Metropole
> with Jerry's band when I was underaged, so imagine how delirious I
> was when, on the first day, the girls were topless. Well alright!
Austin..... When you played at the Metropole, did they have Jazz
during the day? I think I read that Gene Krupa was playing there
every other day for a long time in the mid to late 60s.
Mikey
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:33:40 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Cathy Saint and a flower-pot hat
Sheila B:
> I'm in need of more information on two pop gals- Gayle Harris
> and Cathy Saint ... Cathy Saint. The Daisy Records girl who
> cut "Big Bad World." Know who she is?
Hey She,
My lovely pal Sam Szczepanski works for President Records UK,
the owners of such vintage US labels as Seville, Select, Shell
and Duel. The company maintains a good archive, with many files
containing original artists' contracts, etc. While researching
for a forthcoming CD, Sam discovered that Cathy Saint very
nearly became a Select recording artist. She had found the
contract to prove it. Anyway, let Samski tell you herself, she
does it so much better than me:
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Dear Mick,
Feeling like Doris Day in Caprice, I rendezvoused with warehouse
Bob outside the MCPS today and picked up the file (don't worry,
I wore regulation dark glasses, flower-pot hat and button-up-the-
back jacket). According to the contract initially raised on
August 21st 1964, Cathy Saint's real name is given as Catherine
Troupe Steward, Steward being her husband Chris's name. Given
that she was a minor, he countersigns on her behalf as her
husband and guardian. The contract was then cancelled on October
22nd 1964, no explanatory correspondence is evident. I'll send
you a copy of the cancellation.
Yours over and out,
Agent Samski
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Of course, "Big Bad World" came out on the Daisy label, rather
than Select. Cathy's voice sounds very familiar to me. I'm sure
she made records under another name too.
Bring back button-up-the-back jackets!
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:41:47 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: Bag on Jerden
Country Paul:
>... was this the same Bag......on Jerden?
To the best of my knowledge no, but I can't prove it one way or the
other. Jerry Dennon was out of either Seattle or Portland and I don't
know where the Decca group hailed from. Osborne and Umphred both
list them separately.
Bobster
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:06:42 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: The Montanas
John Kirby:
> Back in the 60's I was a road manager to a popular Midlands group
> called The Montana's ...
The ones who did "You've Got To Be Loved"? Great song, we used to do
that one.
gem
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:41:28 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Re: Promo Men
Hi all, well, looks like a good time for me to ask this...
Nilsson's "Mr.Richland's Favorite Song" is supposedly about the west
coast promo guy Tony Richland. I have a New Establishment 45 and a
Byrds LP that have TONY RICHLAND stamped on them. Could it be? And
does anyone else have any of Mr.Richland's Favorite Records?.......
Best to all,
Brent Cash
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