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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Lecia & Lucienne
From: Martin Jensen
2. Re: All's Quiet on West 23rd
From: Tina Vozick
3. Re: All's Quiet on West 23rd / Julie Budd
From: "That" Alan Gordon
4. Re: Sandy = Sandie?
From: DPW
5. R.I.P. Alby Power 9/22/04
From: mj1244
6. Annette Tucker
From: Mick Patrick
7. Speaking of the Zombies...
From: David Coyle
8. Re: The Distant Cousins lineup
From: Austin Roberts
9. Re: Kenney Buttrey
From: Gary Myers
10. Python Lee Jackson
From: Austin Powell
11. Re: "Waiting On The Corner" (for my Daddy).
From: Martin Jensen
12. "Bend Me..."; Dion/Elegants; Dean Reed; Cat Stevens
From: Country Paul
13. Re: Lecia & Lucienne
From: Kees van der Hoeven
14. Julie Budd
From: Lapka Larry
15. Re: Speaking of the Zombies...
From: Charles Ulrich
16. Re: The Distant Cousins lineup
From: Mike Miller
17. Re: All's Quiet on West 23rd
From: Mikey
18. Sweet Henry song
From: Austin Roberts
19. Re: sibling revelries
From: Phil X Milstein
20. Barry Sadler
From: Tom Taber
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:21:27 -0000
From: Martin Jensen
Subject: Re: Lecia & Lucienne
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Beatle-esque? Teenage girl group from Denmark? If anyone's
> interested? OF COURSE WE ARE! Next you'll be telling us Lecia &
> Lucienne were twins! Danish girl group records are something I've
> never gotten around to investigating. Now's my chance. Anyway, when
> there's room at musica - yes please, Martin. Thanking you.
Hi Mick and others
Consider it done. The B-side, 'Wishing to Kiss You', is now playing
at Musica. Personally, I can't decide as to which song I like the
most. Alas, the gals were not twins. Lecia was born three years
before Lucienne. After their early girl group days they spent some
time during the 60s singing with local Danish beat groups at concerts.
I have a few other interesting girl group recordings from Denmark I
can upload if you so desire. A personal favorite of mine is the Dandy
Swinger's cover of 'River Deep Mountain High' - a huge local hit in
Denmark. Of course, the production is raw and basic compared to
Spector's, but Anisette, the lead singer of the Dandy Swingers, give
Tina a run for her money, IMHO. (For those who might know the
progressive Danish rock group Savage Rose, I can add that their
carismatic leadsinger Anisette started her career with the Dandy
Swingers.)
Let me know if you'd like to hear more at some point.
With regards
Martin, Denmark
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:46:00 -0400
From: Tina Vozick
Subject: Re: All's Quiet on West 23rd
Clark Besch on the Julie Budd picture cover:
> I can pick out names on the signs of this likely 23rd street somewhere.
> There is a vertical sign "Bronco Burgers" and at the top of a building
> is a sign for YMCA and "Broadway Savings Bank". On the other side of
> the street is "Automat".
That is totally New York City's West 23rd Street. The YMCA is the
McBurney "Y" on the north side of W. 23rd and Broadway Bank was on the
south side. I spent many an hour in the Automat on the south side of
the street. Also on the south side, of course, is the famous Chelsea
Hotel, with music connections from Bob Dylan to Janis Joplin, Leonard
Cohen and Sid Vicious, among many others. Never heard of Bronco
Burgers, however.
Tina
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:45:26 -0700
From: "That" Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: All's Quiet on West 23rd / Julie Budd
Clark Besch, in answer to your question regarding Julie Budd. She is
not Barbra Streisand`s half sister. Bab`s half sister is Rosalind Kind
who also is a singer. I think Julie Budd tried very hard not to be
Bab`s half sister, but TO BE BARBRA!!! Julie is a fine singer in her
own right. As an aside, after the song I wrote for Barbra "My Heart
Belongs To Me" became a hit, I had some tee shirts made up that read
"I WAS BARBRA MITZVAH`D".
Best, That Alan
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:48:05 EDT
From: DPW
Subject: Re: Sandy = Sandie?
The girl on the German Sandy (sic) Shaw picturesleeve is a model,
not the actual performer. In the sixties many record companies did
that in Germany, or they made "art" sleeves.
DPW
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:07:21 -0400
From: mj1244
Subject: R.I.P. Alby Power 9/22/04
I have to sadly report the sudden loss of Alby Power, who was the bass
player for the Liverpool bands: The Tuxedos, The Panthers, The Kirkbys
and the 23rd Tunroff. Alby died suddenly last night of a heart atack.
He had been fighting a battle against cancer for some time now and was
due to come home, as he seemed to now be in regression.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:41:14 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Annette Tucker
Gary Myers:
> In 1979 I took an ASCAP songwriting workshop from Annette
> Tucker ("I Had Too Much To Dream Last Night"), which also
> had the involvement of her boyfriend, Arthur Hamilton...
Hi Gary, we like our female songwriters here. In case you're
not aware, Al "B. Bumble" Hazan interviewed Annette Tucker
for S'pop a while back. It's a rather splendid read. Try it:
http://www.spectropop.com/AnnetteTucker/index.htm
Must get your book. Might "mate's rates" apply? (He enquired,
with no sense of shame whatsoever.)
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:46:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Speaking of the Zombies...
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of that "Zombiemania" book
that was available to those who bought the "Zombie Heaven" boxed set?
I had two chances to send for this when the set came out and again
when Big Beat offered limited reprints, but was unsuccessful both
times.
David
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:35:57 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: The Distant Cousins lineup
Leonardo:
> Just inquiring if anybody knows the group lineup of The Distant
> Cousins, on Dynovoice/Date. I always assummed that they were a
> studio creation for Brown and Bloodworth's music. Prove me right or
> prove me wrong! Any and all information is greatly appreciated.
Hi, I knew Raymond Bloodworth in the late sixties and early seventies
in NYC. I think he was writing for Bob Crewe which would be the
Dynovoice tie-in. I think he wrote C'mon Marianne, who was Frankie
Valli's wife and was later married to Bobby Hart (Boyce and Hart). I
don't remember the Distant Cousins. However, sometimes I can't remember
when last Wednesday was. This is probably of no help to you but it's
fun for me to remember people I knew and liked; he was one of them.
Austin R.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:55:09 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Kenney Buttrey
Jeff Lemlich:
> (Kenney) Buttrey was also the drummer for the Neon Philharmonic.
And, no doubt you've heard the bizarre story of one of the main
guys on that record - was it Don Gant?
Jeff, you made it through the hurricanes OK?
gem
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:29:35 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Python Lee Jackson
My old boss at WEA Records in London, Geoff Grimes told me more than
once that he played keyboards on the "Broken Dream" session and got
paid £7.50p for his troubles! I think Mikki Dallon produced the record?
Austin P.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:05:00 -0000
From: Martin Jensen
Subject: Re: "Waiting On The Corner" (for my Daddy).
Julio Niño wrote:
> I would like to join Phil Milstein thanking Martin for playing
> "Waiting On The Corner" by Lecia and Lucienne in musica. It´s a
> very nice song and I´ve found it very amusing because for Spanish
> people (a friend of mine assures me that is not the same in
> English), the refrain "....waiting on the corner looking (or
> waiting) for my daddy ..." has evident connotation of being a
> prostitute, and the lively way the girls sing make it really fun.
This is definately not the first time a Danish record from the 60s
can be interpreted as suggestive, even though the Danish writers
didn't conceive it that way at all! :-)
Two examples: the progressive rock group Savage Rose once recorded a
song called 'My Family was Gay' (as in 'cheerful') in the late 60s.
Also, some time ago I uploaded a single to Musica by the Danish teen
group the Lollipops. It was called 'Naked when you Come' (referring
to childbirth), but I'm sure the title alone would have made it
difficult, perhaps even impossible, to issue it had the song been
recorded in the US or England. As a matter of fact, I seem to
remember that the Fleetwoods hit 'Come Softly to Me' was originally
titled 'Come Softly', which was then deemed to suggestive and
therefore changed.
With regards
Martin, Denmark
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:07:33 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: "Bend Me..."; Dion/Elegants; Dean Reed; Cat Stevens
Davie Gordon, Re: Bend Me, Shape Me
> Isn't the original version the one by The Models (MGM 13775), from
> late July '67? Anybody know who they were? They were a girl group
> made up of ex-models (of course).
I seem to remember liking The Models best of any version I've heard.
Fred Clemens wrote:
> Dion has stated on more than one occasion that he modeled his solo
> vocals after Vito Picone of The Elegants, particularly on the vocals
> on The Elegants' "Please Believe Me".
Austin Roberts:
> It's a shame that they sounded so much alike that Vito P. and group
> never had another hit. I loved Dion's records with and without the
> Belmonts, but I think I prefer Little Star to all of them, although
> I did think Abraham Martin And John was incredible.
AM&J was historic, but turn the record over; the re-imagining of "Purple
Haze" is absolutely brilliant! And re: The Elegants, they had a ton of
releases ("Goodnight" was probably as close to a hit as they came after
"Little Star"; it charted in a few markets, including Providence, RI) but
they are only one of three artists pre-1980 (IRRC) to have had a #1 hit
and then never anything else on the charts. (The Singing Nun and SSgt.
Barry Sadler were the others; IMO, they deserved their obscurity - the
Elegants didn't.)
> But don't your brains bulge with all that info in it?
So THAT's why I'm so funny-lookin'....
Lecia & Lucienne - I think "Wishing To Kiss You" (now on musica) is a
whole lot better than the "A" side. Anyone have an opinion?
Gotta admit it, politics aside, I like Dean Reed's "Annabelle," now
playing at musica. And that running story... he must have been quite
the character!
Long Tall Shorties.....
I erred re: Julie Budd's "West 23rd" being contemporaneous with the Jet
Stream. For my taste, I still go with the group's version.
Claire Francis, thank you for your "tales from the music front." Please
keep 'em coming!
Finally, I've been privileged to hear "Smile" in its entirety. Sweet and
delicious.
Country Paul
(Smiling....)
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:19:17 -0000
From: Kees van der Hoeven
Subject: Re: Lecia & Lucienne
Martin Jensen wrote:
> Hi, In 64 the two sisters Lecia & Lucienne issued 'Waiting on the
> Corner', a nice little girl group single now playing at Musica.
> It was written by the 'Danish Elvis', teen sensation Otto
> Brandenborg, who also penned the B-side, the Beatlesque 'Wishing to
> Kiss You'. If anyone's interested, I can also upload that one...
Great Martin, thanks a lot for those 2 very interesting Lecia &
Luciennes! If you happen to have a copy of their cover of Sue
Thompson's Paper Tiger.... ?
Kees van der Hoeven
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 05:37:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lapka Larry
Subject: Julie Budd
Dear All:
Haven't been here for awhile, but I figured I would
try to clear up something I saw in one of the
messages.
Julie Budd is not Barbra Streisand's sister. Roslyn
Kind is her sister, but they are easy to mix up,
because both Budd and Kind sound so much like
Streisand it's scary. That's probably why they never
really made it big, although both have fairly long
recording histories.
They suffered the same fate as Lorna Luft has, being
the sister (and sounding very much like) big sister
Liza Minnelli.
Now the question: are there any Spectropop-type
singers who became famous and have siblings that never
reached those heights because they are so much like
their siblings vocally?
One that I can think of is Coco Dolenz, sister of
Micky. She sounds so much like her brother it's scary,
and even scarier when you consider that she is his
sister!
Larry Lapka
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:51:37 -0700
From: Charles Ulrich
Subject: Re: Speaking of the Zombies...
David Coyle:
> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of that "Zombiemania" book
> that was available to those who bought the "Zombie Heaven" boxed set?
> I had two chances to send for this when the set came out and again
> when Big Beat offered limited reprints, but was unsuccessful both
> times.
I don't know about that one, but you may also be interested in Time
Of The Season: The Zombies Collector's Guide by Greg Russo:
http://www.crossfirepublications.com/
--Charles
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:27:06 -0400
From: Mike Miller
Subject: Re: The Distant Cousins lineup
Hello Leonardo, How you been man ??? Stll trying to fill in all
the dots ... with Bob Crewe and so forth !!! Well, there is a lot
to fill in. Many of his productions have huge gaps regarding info.
All we know of these guys is that they were supposedly made up of
Brown and Bloodworth. As to who else sang on these songs, and who
the studio musicians were, there seems to be little if any
information.
Crewe worked with many obscure artists around the early to mid
1960's. He changed names with them sometimes several times, so it
is hard to tell sometimes. I have discovered that a singer he
starting working with in 1961 named Kevin Mcquinn (real name Ed
Quinn jr.) made 3 records on the Diamond Label of which the 4
Seasons sang backup on. He later recorded a 2 sider for Vivid in
1963 (4 Seasons are on these songs too ) and then re-appeared in
1964 on the Mala label as Evan Mitchell.
Good Luck,
Mike Miller, doowopdaddy
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:05:02 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: All's Quiet on West 23rd
Tina is right, as a fellow Manhattanite, they are def talking about
23rd and 7th/8th.
mikey
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:15:42 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Sweet Henry song
Hi folks, It's Mr. Memory again (Austin Roberts). I have a question
about a song that Barry Mason (the great British writer) and I wrote
in the early 70's and an artist named Sweet Henry cut and released
on Columbia (I think)? Here's the rub, I don't remember the title of
the song. DUH! Can somebody help the dolt out? Thanx ahead of time,
Austin, uh, Roberts
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:14:20 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: sibling revelries
Larry Lapka wrote:
> Now the question: are there any Spectropop-type
> singers who became famous and have siblings that never
> reached those heights because they are so much like
> their siblings vocally?
Frankie Gaye, late brother of the equally late Marvin, who adds a
"problem" that the Dolenzes did not share in that he looked as much like
Marvin as he sounded. I have a videotape of one of them appearing on the
TV show Playboy After Dark, but without any identification there, and
with him singing a number I don't recognize, I'll be damned if I can be
sure which Gaye it is.
By the way, anyone read Frankie's book about Marvin?
--Phil M.
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:11:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Barry Sadler
Previously:
> ...they [the Elegants] are only one of three artists pre-1980 (IRRC)
> to have had a #1 hit and then never anything else on the charts.
> (The Singing Nun and SSgt. Barry Sadler were the others; IMO, they
> deserved their obscurity - the Elegants didn't.)
I'd swear Barry Sadler's "The A Team" made it to something like #28 in
Billboard - I let this pass months ago, but this time I'm saying it -
am I wrong?
Tom Taber
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Admin Note: Tom is correct; Barry Sadler's "The A Team" reached #28
on the Billboard Hot 100.
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