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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Brian Hyland
From: Mark Wirtz
2. Re: Brian Hyland
From: Mike Edwards
3. Re: The Toys
From: Dave Monroe
4. Re: Brian Hyland
From: Orion
5. Jaynetts' LP cover
From: Paul Urbahns
6. Re: Joanie Sommers and a kazoo
From: Fred Clemens
7. Re: Jaynetts Discography
From: Tony Leong
8. Re: Velvelettes CD
From: Frank Murphy
9. Spanky And Our Gang
From: Stephanie
10. Re: Jaynetts versions
From: Billy G Texas
11. Re: The Tales Of Jonathan
From: Billy G Spradlin
12. Re: Brian Hyland
From: Ken Silverwood
13. Eddie Hodges
From: Mark Wirtz
14. Ron Dante aka Bo Cooper ??
From: Orion
15. Layng Martine
From: Austin Roberts
16. Alice Wonder Land / United Intl. / Bardell / Angie
From: Dancing Time
17. Re: Good Girls Gone Bad
From: Kingsley Abbott
18. Re: The Toys' "Ciao Baby" on CD?
From: Kingsley Abbott
19. Re: The Madisons
From: Robert Pingel
20. Re: kazoos & Ginnys
From: Phil X Milstein
21. Re: Brian Hyland & Bobby Vee
From: Bob Celli
22. Re: Hyland Hylights
From: Brent Cash
23. Re: Jaynetts discography
From: Barry
24. Re: Eddie Hodges
From: Rodney Rawlings
25. Re: Eddie Hodges
From: Robert Pingel
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 22:45:13 -0000
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Brian Hyland
Those of you who are connected to i-Tunes, can easily preview, then
put together a comp of all your BH favourites, including the tracks
that are being mentioned in this thread.
Mark W :)
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 01:09:06 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Re: Brian Hyland
Al Kooper wrote (re: "Sealed With A Kiss"):
> Awwwww Austin.....Gary covered it.. but yeah, Brian was the orig.
Not so, Al. That honor went to the 4 Voices on Columbia 41699 from
1960.
Mark Wirtz wrote:
> When I listen to "Greatest Hits" comps by the various legends of the
> early 60's, Brian's stuff always seems to stand out. Whereas other
> comps contain music that may be brilliant, the material nevertheless
> seems somewhat samey. In contrast, the diversity, creativity and
> originality of Brian's material, production, and notably
> arrangements, never cease to amaze me.
How true. That rather humble 18 track "Greatest Hits" CD that MCA put
out in 1994 is as good as any in my collection. It brings together
Brian's 60s' material from "Itsy" (1960) through "Gypsy Woman"
(1970). I guess the diversity resulted from Brian appearing on 5
major labels during the 60s: Kapp, ABC, Philips (where he recorded
member, Artie Wayne's "3000 Miles" in 1966), Dot and Uni.
This CD is still available, with amazon.com listing it at prices
ranging from $5.98 through $11.98.
Mark again:
> When we think of Brian Hyland, we think of polka-dot bikinis and
> pre-bubble gum ditties. How erroneous that impression is! Listen
> to some of his more obscure tracks, and you will be amazed by the
> adventurous creativity involved!
Interesting. But if bubblegum started with "Simon Says" in 1968, then
we would think of just about all Spectropop era recordings as
being "pre-bubble gum ditties". Also that "adventurous creativity"
was fully evidenced in his hit recordings such as "Sealed With A
Kiss" (1962), "Run Run Look And See" (1966) and "Gypsy Woman" (1970).
Mike Edwards
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:38:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: The Toys
Austin Roberts wrote:
> Somebody must know, especially in such an august group as Spectropop,
> who was the classical composer who wrote the melody for the Toys'
> "Lovers Concerto". Help!
S'pop replies:
> (Altogether now...) J.S. Bach - Minuet in G. [Well, that's the short
> answer. The long answer may send us all to sleep]. This and more at:
> http://www.philharmonic.u-net.com/
Answered, I see, but here be sheet music:
http://www.pitt.edu/~deben/8BachMin.pdf
My sight reading's not what it used to be (and it never was much), but
that looks about right to me ...
Dave M.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:30:37 -0600
From: Orion
Subject: Re: Brian Hyland
Brian Hyland has been one of my favorite artists for many years. I
remember my roomie and I in college fighting on which record was going
to play. He disliked Brian Hyland and really was into Mitch Ryder and
I, as stated previously, wanted to hear Brian Hyland. Sometimes I
thought I might be one of his few avid supporters. Thanks other
Spectro'poppers.
Orion
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:18:32 EST
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Jaynetts' LP cover
Barry wrote:
> Tuff LP 13 - Sally Go 'Round The Roses - 1963 (the picture on the
> album cover was pieced together by Zell Sanders, It shows Lezli
> Valentine, Ethel Davis And An Unknown Young Lady)...
Actually there were two covers, I assume the one that was issued first
was the album with just a picture of roses. I know that one exists.
Then when they had a group to tour they may have put the girls picture
on the cover. But that is only a guess.
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:16:40 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Joanie Sommers and a kazoo
Jim Fisher wrote:
> I was just listening to her "Johnny Get Angry" on the Girl Group
> Greats CD and as the instro' bridge began it occurred to me that
> instead of the usual sax' or similar it was actually being played
> on what sounded mighty much like a Kazoo!! Could this be so?
> Could the humble Kazoo be Top Ten material??
A kazoo was so unusual for the time. While Joanie was on the Charts
in the Summer of '62, Dion snuck in with a song of the same
device, "Little Diane". Both were Top 10 Hits, though not at the same
time. Dion made Top 10 about a month after Joanie left the Top 10.
And then there was that Flintstones character..., but I think he came
along a little later on.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 05:02:11 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Re: Jaynetts Discography
Barry:
> I wish someone would compile a Jaynetts CD... Meanwhile, I found
> this on the web......
Barry, both you and John Clemente (in his wonderful book) have
detailed the Jaynetts recordings and personnel on record so
thoroughly. Interestingly, there are other people who have claimed
to also sing on "Sally..." or were in the touring Jaynetts.
During the mid-80's, I asked Johnnie Louise (who is mentioned in
the liner notes of the original 1963 LP) about the group, and she
told me that she sang on "Sally..", AND was in the touring group
with Ethel Davis (also mentioned on the LP), and a girl named
Sister. According to Johnnie, Ethel sang the lead on the solo parts
(I guess on stage). No mention was made of the other girl in the
liner notes (Mary Sue Wells). That was the only time I spoke to
Johnnie--she passed away shortly after that.
Much later, I got to speak to Louise Harris who sang with both
the Hearts AND on Jaynetts records. She helped to clarify the
personnel on the actual records. However, in some reference books,
names like Yvonne Bushnell and Ada Ray were associated with the
Jaynetts, but I was told they were just girls that worked for
Zell Sanders, not actual group members.
Either way, I would love for a Tuff Girl Groups CD collection to
come out. Those of you who think "Sally." or "Dear Abbey" are
mysterious, give a listen to "Snowman Snowman Sweet Potatoe Nose"!!!!!!!
Tony Leong
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:04:32 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Re: Velvelettes CD
Barry:
> Thanx a lot for the information. I went to Amazon.com and
> it's not listed. I didn't realize it was a UK import.
I think it is less costly to release a 48 track CD in the UK
as the publishing roylaties are fixed per album and the fixed
sum is divided by the number of tracks. I know people on this
list will confirm, clarify or demolish this supposition.
I suspect that Universal think it is not worth their while to
do other than Motown 'best of's and the custom made Hip O
selects for the States and that the Motown fanatics will know
how to import.
Since 'This is Northern Soul' was the biggest selling budget
album for them a few years ago, they know Motown sells in the
UK and actually they are putting a bit of a sales budget behind
their releases.
I hope you enjoy the album.
FrankM
reflections on northern soul Saturday's two thirty pm
http://www.radiomagnetic.com
or listen to an archive show
http://www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/rnb.php
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 05:34:09 -0000
From: Stephanie
Subject: Spanky And Our Gang
http://www.songbrokers.com/Ref_Lib/Ref_SpankyMcFarlane.html
Above is the link to a wonderful interview with Spanky and she looks
great in the pictures.
Stephanie
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:06:38 -0000
From: Billy G Texas
Subject: Re: Jaynetts versions
I put together a CD version of the "Sally Go 'Round The Roses"
earlier this year and while searching my CD library I found 4
different versions of the same song!
1) Stereo Mix - without the organ overdubs (MCA, and on a really
cheap "Platinum" oldies CD)
2) Stereo Remix - with the Organ overdubs (Verese Sarabande)
3) Mono mix with a longer 13 second into and fade (Rhino)
4) Mono Mix with the regular 6 second intro, closest to the original
45 (Time-Life & K-Tel)
I think its all about how these companies get ahold of the master
tapes. Tuff was a tiny label, distributed through Chess.
I'm guessing the MCA (Vintage Music) version is from a 2-track
session tape, and it sounds to me like the Verese version
(Collector's Essentials - All-Time Greatest Girl Groups) is the same
version with the organ overdubs digitally "punched in" from the mono
recording.
Billy
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:12:58 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: The Tales Of Jonathan
I wrote;
> A mystery single for the experts.
> Tales Of Jonathan
> Wild Strange Girls b/w She Ups and Changes Her Mind
> MGM K13727 (black label)
> Prod. By Paul Tannan
> A Lamridge Production
Peter Richmond:
> Only a miniscule of information; Weird (sic) Strange Girls was
> recorded in New York City 16 February 1967. She Ups And Changes
> Her Mind was recorded in New York City 21 March 1967.
Thanks for the informtation (sorry about the wrong title). At least
now I know its not a UK-based production. I'll have to post it when
space frees up in the Musica folder.
Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:31:48 -0000
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: Brian Hyland
>From Mark Wirtz:
> In contrast the diversity, creativity and originality of Brian's
> material, and notably arrangements never cease to amaze me, I
> think I'm gonna play me some of that stuff right now.
So I chose "I Should Be Gettin' Better", HMV 1013, the b-side to
"Ginny Come Lately", on which Brian out Bobby Vees Mr Vee, right
from the xylophone on the talking intro, the pacey rhythm, to the
violins & also including a **kazoo** solo. I never tire of this
record.
Ken On The West Coast (looking for more)
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:59:57 -0000
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Eddie Hodges
Here is a single that blew me away when it came out in the early sixties:
Eddie Hodges' "Gonna Knock On Your Door". Did he make any other records,
or albums? Would love to know. Also, I'm curious to find out where it was
recorded, because it didn't sound like West Coast, Nashville, Memphis, or
even New York. Question to those of you who remember that track -- can
you hear the similarity in energy to current day's 'Maroon 5'?
Best,
Mark W.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:42:31 -0000
From: Orion
Subject: Ron Dante aka Bo Cooper ??
I have searched our messages and don't see this anywhere, so if I
missed it please forgive me. Mr Dante, I was looking at one of my
Bubblegum M*****f***** CDs and it shows you singing "Christian"
written by Cooper/Panzer but it says "'74 Bell 45. Bo Cooper is Ron
Dante! Produced by Barry Manilow!" It is really a nice tune. Has
anyone every had as many aliases as you? I do so enjoy ALL of your
music.
Orion
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:56:43 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Layng Martine
Phil C. writes:
> Clark, I was just thinking the same thing about "I Can Hear The Rain"
> (Martine - Stallman). It may not be one of his strongest tracks, but
> it does have something special (and S'pop appeal) and compares
> favourably with the perhaps better known version by Reparata & The
> Delrons. I have a mint-ish UK copy, but the pressing sounds poor.
> I've played it to musica anyway.
What's so cool about S'pop is info like this about Layng Martine, who
is one of my favorite co-writers and friend. He was in New York,
already writing by the time I moved there in 1968. We met in Nashville
in the mid 1970's. He is such a modest guy, he never talks about
himself. When a lot of us here get down, we get a Layng fix because
he's always up and fun to write with. Thanx for the info.
Austin R.
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:11:22 -0000
From: Dancing Time
Subject: Alice Wonder Land / United Intl. / Bardell / Angie
Greetings! My first post, very happy to join Spectropop!
Would anyone on the list know if the Alice Wonder Land who
recorded 'It Was Only A Dream' / 'My Joey' on United International
Records 1001 is the same artist who had the great 'He's Mine (I Love
Him, I Love Him, I Love Him)' on Bardell, and, as Marie Antoinette,
'He's My Dream Boy' on Providence? Her real name supposedly was
Alice Faye Henderson. Wonder what became of her?
For the United International release, the producer is listed as
"Alice Wonder-land, Inc." and the composers are J. Northern - F.
Payne ('Dream') and Tony Casino - John Marga ('Joey'). The flip is
pretty good, with a nice saxophone. Sounds like 1961 or thereabouts.
It would be nice to learn more about the United International label,
too. I presume it was based in New York. I know of a couple of
releases, including one by Mary Ann Lorri, 'I Wanna Thank You' /
'One More Tear' (United International 1004); one by the Monclairs
(a different group from the others by the same name, most likely),
'Come On And Hold Me' / 'Young Wings Can Fly' (1013); and one by the
great Connie McGill & The Visions, 'He Created You For Me' / 'No! I
Won't Believe It' (1009).
Come to think of it, it would be great to learn more about the
Bardell and Angie group of labels, too. Home of the great Laddins
(featuring Frankie Gearing) - as well as the immortal 'He's Mine' -
that's about all I know...
Thanks in advance!
D_T
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:05:23 -0000
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: Re: Good Girls Gone Bad
Doc Rock asked:
> Can anyone tell me what this CD is like? [Good Girls Gone Bad - Wild,
> Weird & Wanted]
It's girlie rockabilly territory, with tracks mostly from the '56-'58
era. Good of their type, but not S'pop 60s girlie stuff.
Kingsley Abbott
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:10:32 -0000
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: Re: The Toys' "Ciao Baby" on CD?
Jeff Smith asked:
> I have a Toys CD, but it doesn't contain "Ciao Baby", my favorite
> of theirs. Is it on CD anywhere?
I assume you have the Sundazed collection, where it certainly isn't,
but I have seen it somewhere on a (I think) British CD that had a few
different ones on. I don't have it myself, but I'll try to talk to
someone who may know.
Kingsley
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:54:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: The Madisons
Rob Pingel wrote:
> Does anyone have any information on the members of The Madisons?
> Recently discovered their single on MGM, and was blown away by
> the song "Looking for a True Love". Written by Larry Santos.
> Sounds like it was tailored for the 4 Seasons. One great hook
> after another. Flip side, "Cheryl Ann", also written by Santos.
Billy G. Spradlin:
> Who was the producer? Santos wrote "Candy Girl" for the Seasons,
> and also recorded as "Larry & The Legends" with the Seasons on
> backing vox on Atlantic... I'm a sucker for anything with Crewe's
> classic "Stomp-Clap" formula so if you could post the record I'd
> love to hear it!
Hey Billy, Both sides were produced by Larry Santos for Bob Crewe
Productions. "Looking for a True Love" has the stomp-clap formula
down pat. No arranger credits given, but if it's not Charlie
Calello, then it's a great imitation. The drummer also has to be
the same guy on the 4 Seasons records. Very distinctive. Sorry I
can't post the record.
Rob Pingel
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:22:28 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: kazoos & Ginnys
Ken Silverwood wrote:
> So I chose "I Should Be Gettin' Better", HMV 1013, the b-side to
> "Ginny Come Lately", on which Brian out Bobby Vees Mr Vee, right
> from the xylophone on the talking intro, the pacey rhythm, to the
> violins & also including a **kazoo** solo. I never tire of this
> record.
Speaking of kazoos and Ginnys, doesn't Ginny Arnell's "Dumb Head"
have a such a solo, too?
--Phil M.
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:17:49 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Brian Hyland & Bobby Vee
>From Mark Wirtz:
> In contrast the diversity, creativity and originality of Brian's
> material, and notably arrangements never cease to amaze me, I
> think I'm gonna play me some of that stuff right now.
Ken Silverwood:
> So I chose "I Should Be Gettin' Better", HMV 1013, the b-side to
> "Ginny Come Lately", on which Brian out Bobby Vees Mr Vee, right
> from the xylophone on the talking intro, the pacey rhythm, to the
> violins & also including a **kazoo** solo. I never tire of this
> record.
Ken, Funny you should mention Mr. Vee, as he and Brian are very
close. In fact, Brian is godfather to Bobby's son Robby. Btw, as soon
as some space comes open I'll post a demo duet featuring Bobby Vee and
Brian Hyland doing a tune they wrote back in the mid sixties I believe.
Bob Celli
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:19:17 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Re: Hyland Hylights
Robert wrote:
> His Del Shannon-produced 1970 album is a total gem.
Yes indeed, and it contains one of my three favorite Hyland "Hylights,"
the Jimmy Webb-like "You And Me." I can imagine Glen Campbell
doing that one. Anybody know why it has the suffix "(#2)" on the 45?
Apologies to anyone who may have e mailed me off-list in the last two
to three months. I now have my current address displayed instead of
the inactive one, and will finally be able to receive such messages.
Best wishes to all,
Brent Cash
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:20:08 -0600
From: Barry
Subject: Re: Jaynetts discography
Tony Leong wrote:
> Either way, I would love for a Tuff Girl Groups CD collection to come
> out. Those of you who think "Sally" or "Dear Abby" are mysterious,
> give a listen to "Snowman Snowman Sweet Potatoe Nose"!
... or "Peepin' In And Out The Windows"!
Barry in Minneapolis
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:08:57 -0000
From: Rodney Rawlings
Subject: Re: Eddie Hodges
Mark Wirtz wrote:
> Here is a single that blew me away when it came out in the
> early sixties: Eddie Hodges' "Gonna Knock On Your Door".
> Did he make any other records, or albums?
That was and is one of my favorite records. You will find this and
other information at http://www.meekermuseum.com/ehodges.html
In addition to singing on Broadway and in several films, Hodges'
musical contributions included four singles which appeared on
Billboard's Hot 100 chart in the early to mid-1960s:
Cadence Records:
1961: "I'm Gonna Knock on Your Door" (peaked at #12)
1962: "Bandit of My Dreams" (peaked at #65)
1962: "(Girls, Girls, Girls) Made to Love" (peaked at #14)
Aurora Records:
1965: "New Orleans" (peaked at #44)
The three Cadence sides are currently available on Volumes 1 & 2
of Varese Sarabande's "The History of Cadence."
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:25:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: Eddie Hodges
Mark Wirtz wrote:
> Here is a single that blew me away when it came out in the
> early sixties: Eddie Hodges' "Gonna Knock On Your Door".
> Did he make any other records, or albums?
He charted with "Girls Were Made To Love," which was written by Don
Everly. He also did a surprisingly good remake of the Gary U.S. Bonds
song "New Orleans," which I think also charted. Less successful but
equally good was a recording of "The Old Rag Man", co-written by Al
Kooper.
Rob Pingel
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