Spectropop - Digest Number 1723

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• Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Toussaint McCall / Kenny Young
           From: Mark 
      2. Thank You, Al Kooper!
           From: Mark 
      3. Zombies/Love
           From: Mark 
      4. Ron Dante/Stones
           From: Tony Baylis 
      5. Re: Dalida '65
           From: Steve Crump 
      6. Re: Eddie Hodges
           From: Rodney Rawlings 
      7. Re: Ron Dante/Bo Cooper
           From: Joe Nelson 
      8. Re: My White Bicycle
           From: Mark Wirtz 
      9. Re: Brian Hyland
           From: Mike Griffiths 
     10. Re: Eddie Hodges
           From: John Berg 
     11. Dan Penn and Buzz Cason
           From: Mark 
     12. Austin, "IOU" Thanks for Writing a Great Song!
           From: Mark 
     13. Re: Eddie Hodges
           From: Tom Taber 
     14. Re: Austin, "IOU" Thanks for Writing a Great Song!
           From: Austin Roberts 
     15. Re: Kenny Young - no, not that one
           From: Robert Pingel 
     16. Re: Sonny Childe
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     17. Re: Eddie Hodges
           From: John DeAngelis 
     18. Re: Eddie Hodges
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     19. Re: "Wonder Where The Boys Go (When They Want To Cry)"
           From: Gary Myers 
     20. Re: Mark Wirtz's White Bicycle
           From: Barry Margolis 
     21. Bob Feldman
           From: Tom Adams 


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Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:34:56 GMT
   From: Mark 
Subject: Re: Toussaint McCall / Kenny Young


Hey Guys!

Running behind as always! Anyhow...

We were talking about "Nothing Takes the Place of You" by Toussaint 
McCall on CD a few weeks back. Fuel 2000 issued the complete Ronn 
recordings by McCall on CD not too long ago, containing the entire 
"Nothing Takes..." LP plus non-LP singles and a couple of unreleased 
tracks. I recommend this disc highly.

Re Kenny Young: there's a single on the Share label (#105), from 
about 1970, by Kenny ("Ain't It Funny What Love Can Do"/"Leave Those 
Young Girls Alone (Old Men)"). Is this the same Kenny Young, or might 
this be a different guy? Both sides were produced by the late, great 
Van McCoy. Best,

Mark





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Message: 2         
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:42:35 GMT
   From: Mark 
Subject: Thank You, Al Kooper!


Hello again!

This is a bit late, but I got to see the great Al Kooper October 6th 
at a venue about a mile from my house in Cleveland, the Beachland 
Ballroom. If you haven't seen Al in concert, GO! You'll be totally 
pleased as he not only sings the best of his solo material (as well 
as some of his BS&T material), but he also tells some hilarious 
stories (the one about the song he wrote for the Shangri-Las, "Junior 
Was a Heavyweight" was priceless!) and does some cute musical bits as 
well (after hearing "One of a Kind Love Affair" played on a mandolin, 
I don't think I'll ever hear that song the same way again without 
laughing!). I got his autograph on a CD booklet after the show, and 
my brother presented him with some pics that he took of Al, circa 
1967, at a local department store. We had a great night. Thank you, 
Al, for coming to the Beachland--if you come back, we will be there!

Best,

Mark





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Message: 3         
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:47:48 GMT
   From: Mark 
Subject: Zombies/Love


Hello again! I too saw the Zombies and Love when they came to the 
Beachland (five days after Al Kooper)--both acts still have what it 
takes! Love did everything you'd want to hear...well, almost 
everything. How could they NOT play "My Little Red Book"? Still, 
they were fantastic.

And the Zombies? Man, Colin's voice still sounds great! They came out 
for three encores, including "Beechwood Park", which they hadn't 
performed in years, according to Rod Argent. They even sang a couple 
of Argent songs and one of Colin's solo tunes.

Another concert worth checking out if it's in your area.

Best,

Mark





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Message: 4         
   Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:20:50 -0000
   From: Tony Baylis 
Subject: Ron Dante/Stones


>From the Spectropop article .. 
"For reasons Ron still can't fathom, The Detergents were always the 
next-to-last act to go on, which effectively made them The Stones' 
opening act. Audiences anticipating the performance of Mick and the 
guys with their sexually charged repertoire were understandably not 
pleased at having to sit through the preceding groups, who were 
about as far removed from The Stones as the man on the moon;"

Now this is funny .... back in 1962/63, I toddled off to Southend 
to see the Everly Brothers on tour ... naturally they, as the Stars, 
closed the show. However, their opening act was this absolutely 
'orribly ghastly' group who by no stretch of the imagination were 
playing ('playing' ? - I'm being very generous here) music that 
would appeal to Everly fans ... Yep, it was the Stones .. and even 
now I fail to understand the reasoning behind putting them on with 
the Everlys .... Even the Stones at one point were in the same 
position as The Detergents in having to open for an act that was 
worlds apart music-wise !!

Tony Baylis





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Message: 5         
   Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:53:37 -0000
   From: Steve Crump 
Subject: Re: Dalida '65


Frank Murphy wrote: 
> I picked up a copy of "Dalida '65", which has a mix of French 
> originals and covers of US hits. Anyone care to have a guess at 
> what the US originals were? 

Je ne sais Plus - You Don't Own Me	
Le Cha Cha Cha - The Cha Cha Cha	
Ce Coin De Terre - This Land Is Your Land
La, Il a Dit - Loddy Lo	
Ding Ding - Green Green	
Je Taime - It's Over

I knew some of these because I did a bit of reserach on Dalida when 
I was hunting some of her EPs. But I did have help - the Allmusic 
website has quite a comprehensive discography of Dalida CDs with 
both French & English titles listed. I like her material from 1965 
- 1966 the best. Cheers,

Steve








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Message: 6         
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:51:01 -0000
   From: Rodney Rawlings 
Subject: Re: Eddie Hodges


This is what is so great about Spectropop. Until I looked up that 
info for Mark Wirtz, I had had no idea Eddie Hodges had done anything 
of significance apart from "I'm Gonna Knock on Your Door." Now I know 
he was on Broadway and TV, and did other records. And now I know that 
it was Eddie Hodges who did another lost favorite of mine: "Girls 
Girls Girls Were Made to Love." What serendipity.





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Message: 7         
   Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:46:48 -0500
   From: Joe Nelson 
Subject: Re: Ron Dante/Bo Cooper


Tony Baylis:
> In fact one store, when I asked for Bo Cooper, informed me that I 
> must mean Ry Cooder (yeah, right!). 

That makes up (maybe) for the idiot clerk in 1979 who, when I asked
for Ry Cooder, presented me with a John Cougar disc. At least he
didn't start looking for Al Kooder.

Joe Nelson
(try the lingerie section...)





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Message: 8         
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:51:38 -0000
   From: Mark Wirtz 
Subject: Re: My White Bicycle


Richard Hattersley wrote:
> Mark, I was listening to a Psych CD in my car today which has "My 
> White Bicycle" by Tomorrow on it, which I believe you produced. I 
> have to say it's a fabulous record. I wonder if you could give us 
> some of your memories of the making of the single.

Richard,

My first reaction to your question was, "... Well, it was all very 
exciting and we had a lot of fun... bla bla bla..." and not much more. 
Like, "business as usual." 

Then, as I turned up the intensity mode on my time machine and traveled 
back to that early Spring morning (!) in 1967 at Abbey Road #3  -- 
virtually my and Norman Smith's "home room" for our respective projects 
including Pink Floyd and The Prettry Things on Norman's part, while 
George Martin and Norrie Paramour preferred #2 for their projects, 
including the Beatles and Cliff Richard and The Shadows -- it occurred 
to me that the MWB session was far from usual, or even typical of all 
later Tomorrow sessions. 

To begin with, MWB was specifically a "single" project, not part of 
Tomorrow's album sessions that didn't take place until quite a few 
months later and only made possible by the success of TO. 

Whereas Tomorrow and I always enjoyed a terrific synergy, virtually 
having no conflicts at any time, Keith West, Steve Howe, "Twink" and 
"Junior" put themselves totally into my hands and my vision for the 
production of this particular track. 

As such, it became not only the most, but also my only idiosyncratic, 
"studio-produced" work with the band, layering track upon track and 
applying heavy processing and sound manipulation. In fact, the first 
track (of the 4 available), in the absence of click-tracks or such 
back then, consisted of nothing but the driving, metronomic high-hat 
pattern, which, on the second track, I reversed, then combined with 
the first signal onto a "sub-master" third track (erasing the first 
two). 

>From then on we added instrument after instrument, bouncing from track 
to track, some (i.e. Steve's electric rhythm guitar) recorded at a 
lower speed in order to give that precise, "robotic," pattern 
impression at normal speed. Further, I used tape reverse on cymbal 
accents and guitar solo passages to lend that "dreamy/trance" feel. 

It was on MWB, that engineer Geoff Emerick and I used Abbey Road's 
ground-floor toilet for the first time as the vocal booth to avoid 
Abbey Road's "too clean" echo chambers.

Without doubt, the highlight of the MWB session was when Keith walked 
out onto Abbey Road and dragged a "Bobby" back into the studio to 
authentically blow his whistle. Due to shortage of tracks, the Bobby 
had to do so at the same time as Keith recording that particular lead 
vocal passage (in the toilet). If that wasn't funny enough, the fact 
that ALL the guys were stoned out of their heads, with joint butts 
liberally strewn about, made it downright hilarious -- BECAUSE the cop 
(chuffed to be on a record) never blinked an eye, or said a word. It 
was a riot.

In contrast to that first, MWB, session, all the later album tracks 
were recorded live (even though "Revolution" was recorded in "segments," 
and, regrettably, at De lane Lea studios not Abbey Road), with me 
sitting in on keyboards - for a spell letting me feel like the 5th 
member of the band :)

This is a good opportunity to explain that I had great ambitions for 
the "Incredible Journey Of Timothy Chase" track - way beyond what ended 
up on the album. I had to edit my ideas down to mere basics, because 
EMI's sudden rush to complete and release the album to cash in on 
Tomorrow's TO-related publicity.

At the conclusion of the Tomorrow album production, Keith wanted to go 
solo as an intimate, small combo, acoustic-only artist. Even though I 
fully supported Keith's changed ambition, Keith wanted to produce 
himself as it was clear that I was no longer the right producer for him. 
We parted company. There was never, however (contrary to public 
perception), any conflict or animosity between us.

While Steve Howe remained with Keith at that time, Twink and Junior and 
I stuck together and recorded the "Aquarian Age" project (my favourite 
of all the Tomorrow related stuff). When that failed, as did Keith with 
his new direction, everybody scattered. Twink joined The Pretty Things, 
Steve eventually joined "Yes," and Junior, disgusted, left the business... 

And I continued with studio-musicians-only projects, not producing any 
self-contained Rock bands until last year, when I produced Spain's Les 
Philippes' debut album "Philharmonic Philanthropy."

Far more info than you asked for, Richard, but I thought that, while 
I'm at it, I might as well pre-guess other questions that might come up 
in response to the principal answer.

Best,

Mark W.
http://www.markwirtz.com





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Message: 9         
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:02:13 -0000
   From: Mike Griffiths 
Subject: Re: Brian Hyland


3 Brian Hyland album tracks that shoulda been hit singles:

"One Night Jimmy" (Joker Went Went Wild album - Phillips)
Speaking of James Holvay songs this is an incredible pop gem that is 
co-written by Hyland.  It has a great arrangement, especially the 
drums and falsetto vocals (not Phil Sloan - he says).  The lyrics are 
perfect, a singer on the road where the girls he meets call him one 
night Jimmy.

"Rainy April Morning" (Stay And Love Me All Summer album - Dot)
Written by Brian alone, it has the most amazing drum track performed 
by Russ Kunkel.  Check it out!

"On The East Side" (Brian Hyland album - UNI)
This sounds more like Del Shannon than Brian Hyland and since Del co-
wrote it, doubled the vocal and produced it, why not?  There is a 
demo of this with Del singing the lead vocal(hopefully to be on the 
second Bear Family box).  Wonderful song, in the classic Shannon mold 
of unrequited love in a minor key.

Cheers,
Mike









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Message: 10        
   Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:34:35 EST
   From: John Berg 
Subject: Re: Eddie Hodges


Just a note to remind all that we had a fairly thorough discussion 
about Eddie Hodges on this very site within the last year, including 
mention of his superb "Shadows & Reflections" single, apparently his 
final 45.  Guess this latest round simply indicates that the 
Spectropop group is constantly growing. Newer members might care to 
read more in the S'pop Archives at this UR: http://tinyurl.com/6vnge

John Berg





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Message: 11        
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:03:03 GMT
   From: Mark 
Subject: Dan Penn and Buzz Cason


Yet another great performance I saw recently (October 20th) was that 
of Dan Penn and Buzz Cason at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It cost 
$5, but was worth every penny. It was styled as a question/answer 
session with music (both Penn and Cason brought their acoustic guitars)
--Warren Zanes asked Dan or Buzz about a certain song, then they would 
play an acoustic version and even tell a little story about it.

Dan mentioned the first song he ever wrote, "Is a Blue Bird Blue", 
which was a chart hit while he was still in high school. He played a 
bit of it, and also played "I'm Your Puppet" the way it was originally 
envisioned, "Do Right Woman--Do Right Man", and "Dark End of the 
Street".

With regards to "Do Right Woman", he mentioned how Jerry Wexler and 
Aretha helped him finish a line in the song (the line about "have some 
respect for me" and the preceding line). Neither of them are credited 
for that, however. He also said that that was the only track Aretha 
ever cut down at Muscle Shoals, as her husband and Rick Hall got into 
a fight and that ended the session.

Dan also told the story about the Box Tops and "The Letter": he 
mentioned that the original lead vocalist was the nephew of the 
group's manager or something like that, and that the guy was difficult 
to work with. He advised them to get another vocalist, they brought in 
Alex Chilton, and the rest is history.

Buzz talked about his first band, the Casuals, and also about backing 
Brenda Lee and performing with the Crickets. He performed a number of 
songs he had written, like "Soldier of Love", "Everlasting Love" and 
"Love's the Only House" (the recent hit by Martina McBride that he co-
wrote).

Again, autographs were signed afterward: I brought 45s for each to sign. 
Buzz signed a promo copy of Robert Knight's "Everlasting Love" and Dan 
signed a promo of his Atlantic single "Nice Place to Visit". Both were 
pleasantly surprised to see those hard-to-get 45s!

For those of you in the Cleveland area, like myself, these events will 
be held the third Wednesday at the Rock Hall. The next behind-the-
scenes man who will be appearing is Richard Gottehrer, and I'm sure it 
will be as entertaining as the Penn/Cason event. Miles Copeland will 
be the guest for the December affair. Check it out!

Best,

Mark





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Message: 12        
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:08:01 GMT
   From: Mark 
Subject: Austin, "IOU" Thanks for Writing a Great Song!


Hi Austin!

Just have to tell you--I went up at one of my karaoke haunts and 
tried the great song, "IOU", by Lee Greenwood, and was pleasantly 
surprised to see that you co-wrote this song with Kerry Chater 
(miscredited as 'Charter' on screen).

I was telling everybody, "The guy who co-wrote that song is on one 
of my Yahoo Groups!". I knew you wrote a lot of country tunes, but 
I didn't know that was one of yours. Great song! Thank you for 
writing such a cool tune.

Best,

Mark





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Message: 13        
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:21:16 -0800 (PST)
   From: Tom Taber 
Subject: Re: Eddie Hodges


I don't believe it's been mentioned that Eddie Hodges also appeared 
on a CBS game show circa 1959 - was it "Name That Tune"? Anyway, he 
was partnered with some Air Force guy - oh, yeah - John Glenn!

Tom Taber





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Message: 14        
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:50:39 EST
   From: Austin Roberts 
Subject: Re: Austin, "IOU" Thanks for Writing a Great Song!


Hey Mark, Thanks for the kind words. Glad you liked IOU. It put 3 kids 
thru College and hopefully some grandchillun someday. We were lucky 
with that song, in that it was top 5 country and AC and mid top 100 pop.

Austin R. (and of course Kerry `Charter' was a member of the Union Gap 
as you probably know).





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Message: 15        
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:05:20 -0800 (PST)
   From: Robert Pingel 
Subject: Re: Kenny Young - no, not that one


Mark:
> Re Kenny Young: there's a single on the Share label (#105), from 
> about 1970, by Kenny ("Ain't It Funny What Love Can Do"/"Leave 
> Those Young Girls Alone (Old Men)"). Is this the same Kenny Young, 
> or might this be a different guy? Both sides were produced by the 
> late, great Van McCoy.

Different guy entirely.  This is a soul record whose singer sounds 
like a cross between Chuck Jackson and Tommy Hunt.  "Ain't It Funny 
What Love Can Do" is a good song that borrowed heavily in places 
from the Mann-Weil classic "Looking Through the Eyes of Love."
 
Rob Pingel







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Message: 16        
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:14:36 +0000
   From: Phil X Milstein 
Subject: Re: Sonny Childe


Claire Francis wrote:
> Sonny Childe is R.B. Greaves. He is also my ex-husband!

I hope you weren't the wife he wasn't comin' home to, 'cause he had to
start a new life ...

When I was a kid, I actually thought for a moment that song might be
about my father, as he had a secretary at the time named Maria.

On another matter, a tip of the Jughead crown to Laura Pinto for her
"Ron Dante Remembers The '60s" article, which was a gas-and-a-half to
read. Congratulations, thanks, and keep up the good work!

Yeah,
--Phil M.







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Message: 17        
   Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:52:38 -0000
   From: John DeAngelis 
Subject: Re: Eddie Hodges


John Fox wrote:
> Going way back, Hodges was the original Winthrop in "The Music Man" 
> on Broadway (the part played by Ron Howard in the movie). So 
> somewhere there's probably an LP with him lisping his way through 
> "Gary,  Indiana" and "Wells Fargo Wagon".

Eddie Hodges is definitely on the Original Broadway Soundtrack 
Recording of "The Music Man", which was issued on CD by Sony. I love 
his performance of "Gary, Indiana." I can't wait to track down some 
of his other recordings. Thanks for bringing these to light, folks!

John DeAngelis





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Message: 18        
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:33:08 EST
   From: Bob Rashkow 
Subject: Re: Eddie Hodges


Hodges was little Winthrop in the Broadway production of Meredith 
Willson's The Music Man, the role that little Ron Howard won in the 
'62 film version.  

Bobster





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Message: 19        
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:35:20 -0800
   From: Gary Myers 
Subject: Re: "Wonder Where The Boys Go (When They Want To Cry)"


Mick Patrick:
> By Rose Du Bats, yes? I've never heard it, but would snap it up
> on your recommendation. Maybe you could make it available for
> hearing via musica? 

Sorry, Mick. I don't have the capability for that. (But Rose will be
included in my 2nd Wisc. book ).

gem





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Message: 20        
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:15:22 -0600
   From: Barry Margolis 
Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz's White Bicycle


One question: why is My White Bicycle and Revolution in such annoying 
pseudo stereo?  The rest of the Tomorrow recordings are such well 
mixed stereo.

Barry







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Message: 21        
   Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:23:53 -0000
   From: Tom Adams 
Subject: Bob Feldman


Hi folks!

I just received a call from the elusive Mr. Bob Feldman. He's now 
hosting a live internet radio show every Saturday from 2 to 3 p.m EST 
on WNN Radio (http://wwnnradio.com).

He's not listed in the online schedule yet, but he's already done his 
first one (he's booked for 13 shows). This week his guest will be 
Jack Keller, and I believe that Ernie Maresca is on deck for the 
following week.

It's streamed live (just hit the "listen live" link on the page) and 
he said he'll welcome all your calls during the show at 888-565-1470.

As you know, he's not great with computers, but he LOVES to talk!

Take care.

Tom Adams
http://www.bouldercool.com











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