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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Cincy acts
From: Dan Hughes
2. Re: Genya/Goldie
From: Al Kooper
3. Re: Dani Sheridan question
From: Scott Swanson
4. Re: The Kane Triplets @ musica
From: John DeAngelis
5. Re: New @ S'pop - Kenny Young
From: Mike Rashkow
6. Re: "Goin' Back"
From: Barry Margolis
7. Re: New @ S'pop - The 2 Of Clubs
From: Joe Nelson
8. Oops!
From: Tom Adams
9. Dylan sessions
From: Al Kooper
10. Re: The Mark IV
From: Al Kooper
11. Re: Bert Sommer
From: Clark Besch
12. Lesley Gore's Silver Bells
From: J D Doyle
13. This Diamond Instrumental
From: Mike
14. Re: The Mark IV
From: Gary Myers
15. Re: Genya/Goldie
From: Mick Patrick
16. Re: The D-Men/Fifth Estate
From: David Coyle
17. Re: "Goin' Back"
From: Charles Ulrich
18. "Where The Girls Are" Vol.6 / "Spanish Boy" at Musica
From: Julio Niño
19. Eydie's Goin' Back
From: Andrea Ogarrio
20. Re: The Knickerbockers/Buddy Randell
From: David Coyle
21. Re: 'What Does a Girl Do?" CD
From: Vlaovic B.
22. Terry Melcher, R.I.P.
From: Bill
23. "The Turkey" by the Raiders
From: Lapka Larry
24. Spoonful covers / Michael Brown / Ed Sullivan "live"
From: Various
25. Terry Melcher, R.I.P.
From: Kingsley Abbott
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:13:58 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: Cincy acts
Thanks, Gary, but that's a different Dave Gordon.
---Dan
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:22:57 -0800 Gary Myers
writes:
Dan Hughes wrote:
> Do either of you guys, or anyone else with a Cincinnati (or Ohio)
> background, know of a blind folksinger named Dave Gordon, who
> sounded a lot like Steve Goodman?
Means nothing to me, but, if it helps, Osborne's Price Guide lists a Dave
Gordon & The Reb-Tides on Press, from 1966.
gem
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:27:12 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Genya/Goldie
Someone said that:
> ... Genya Ravan (is) Goldie's real name.
Uhhhh.... I think its the other way around. NOBODY takes Zelkowitz
for a stage name.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:59:36 -0800
From: Scott Swanson
Subject: Re: Dani Sheridan question
Country Paul:
> Declan Meehan cites Dani Sheridan: Guess I'm Dumb (Planet),
> co-written by Russ Titelman. Is this the same song Glen
> Campbell did and Brian Wilson produced? Is it a good version?
I can't tell you much except that it is indeed a version of the Glen
Campbell song (written by Titelman/B. Wilson). Dani Sheridan was the
alias of Sally Adams, who was a friend of one of Shel Talmy's business
associates. She later had a career as an actress, appearing in "The
Sorcerers" and "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", among other flicks.
Hope this helps,
Scott
(swandwn@agora.rdrop.com)
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:29:02 -0000
From: John DeAngelis
Subject: Re: The Kane Triplets @ musica
Mick Patrick wrote:
...Among the group's other releases was a version of "Spanish Boy";
> not as hot as the Merry Clayton original (on Capitol), but
> probably as good as the Rubies' rendition (Vee Jay). It's now @
> musica: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
>
> Details are: The Kane Triplets "Spanish Boy" (Kapp 596, 1964);
> Written by Rudy Clark, produced by Allen Stanton, arranged by
> Mort Garson.
I like that track, Mick! Any chance of this one finding its way
onto one of your fine compilations?
Fingers crossed,
John DeAngelis
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:29:04 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: New @ S'pop - Kenny Young
The S'pop Team declared:
> Coming soon @ http://www.spectropop.com :
> Kenny Young
Murray Giskin, I believe.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:51:24 -0600
From: Barry Margolis
Subject: Re: "Goin' Back"
Don H:
> Let me post a list of all of the versions of "Goin' Back" that I
> know of. This list is longer than some of my previous lists, but
> not nearly as long as the "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" list, which
> is close to 200:
> ... The Move ...
The Move recording "Goin' Back"? Don't think so. They did, however,
record "Don't Make My Baby Blue" on their "Shazam" album.
Again...wish someone would compile all of the serious songwriting
attempts Carole King & Gerry Goffin made to create more adult pop
songs...prior to her "Tapestry" breakthrough. Basically....songs
they wrote from 1965 until about 1969. They were not having super
success, due to the fact that many recording artists wrote their
own material. More than any other Brill Building songwriting team,
it seems like King-Goffin wrote some amazing songs with very deep
lyrics.
Barry
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:35:53 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: New @ S'pop - The 2 Of Clubs
The S'pop Team declared:
> Coming soon @ http://www.spectropop.com :
> The 2 Of Clubs
And considering the surprising dearth of info on the group in Netland,
this is bound to be the best thing you're going to find. I'm watching
the clock...
Joe Nelson
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:30:38 -0000
From: Tom Adams
Subject: Oops!
Hi Folks;
In an earlier post I mentioned that Bob Feldman's internet radio show
("Cruisin' With The Oldies" on http://wwnnradio.com )runs from noon to
1 EST.
It actually runs from noon to 1 MST, not EST. So if I messed any of
you folks up and you missed today's show (with Ernie Maresca as Bob's
guest). I hope to have an mp3 of the show that'll be yours for the
asking.
Thanks, and sorry for the confusion.
Tom Adams
Boulder, CO (in the MST Zone!!!!)
http://www.bouldercool.com
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:56:54 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Dylan sessions
Denis writes:
> I read on Al Kooper's website that he produced Bob Dylan's "New
> Morning" album. One of my favorite songs of all time, "Three
> Angels," is on that record, and I'm wondering if Al might please
> tell us how and where that one came about.
It was cut at Columbias E. 53rd St. Studios in NYC. No big story on
that one. Like one other (If Dogs Run Free) it was a recitation as
opposed to a full on sung song. I hurriedly arranged it and we went
for it live. There are no overdubs on that one. The amazing tracks
were "New Morning" w/ horns overdubbed. "Sign On A Window" w/ strings
overdubbed and a great arrangement of "Tomorrow Is A Long Long Time"
that did not make Bob's cut. I am endeavoring to get these out on the
next Bob's rarities sanctioned release.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:47:44 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: The Mark IV
Me:
> I believe there was a Mark IV that had a late 50's single called
> "(Make With) The Shake".
Gary Myers:
> That's correct - 0n Cosmic. They are shown in Whitburn as the same
> group that did "I Got A Wife", but I don't know how accurate that
> is.
It is accurate. Same sort of sound, same label (?), what would make
it INaccurate? Also the hazy memory bethinks that one was the follow-
up to the other.
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:24:48 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Bert Sommer
Bob Brown wrote:
> I am a long-time fan of the late singer-songwriter Bert Sommer...
Bob, I appreciate your love for an artist that has not been given
just due over the years. I feel that way about so many artists,
including many here at SPop. I'm among those here who have only
heard "We're all Playing in the Same band". I LOVE the song! It has
sat in my faves ever since it came out. Since then, I've learned
about the "Hair" connection, which was impressive. If I knew it
before, I forgot it, but until this week on SPop, I didn't know he
sang on "Ivy, Ivy" and "And Suddenly" by the Left Banke--both
phenomenal songs! I had no idea he had had 4 Lps even. I'll have to
watch for more of his stuff to check out. Good luck spreading the
word. As Bert might put it, "people must be learning finaleeeeeee"
(or at least "him, her, you and me, them and those, he and she and
weeeeeee....").
Clark
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:36:38 -0000
From: J D Doyle
Subject: Lesley Gore's Silver Bells
Hi, Can someone please email me a scan of just the label of Lesley
Gore's Mercury 45 "You Sent Me Silver Bells." I'm including the song
on one of my xmas radio shows, and would love to use the scan for the
webpage associated with the show. Thanks!
By the way, all my past shows can be streamed, and my October show
included some "unintentional" lesbian songs by Jackie DeShannon and
Carole King, plus some jingles by Lesley and Dusty.
JD Doyle
please send scan directly to jddoyle1@aol.com
http://www.QueerMusicHeritage.com
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:57:20 -0500
From: Mike
Subject: This Diamond Instrumental
hey Al Kooper!!
I live here in Manhattan, and I play drums in a Ventures type cover
band....its all 60s instrumentals. Yesterday at rehearsal we did an
instrumental version of......."This Diamond Ring". It sounds GREAT,
this song makes a groovy instrumental. Have you ever heard of any
other instrumental versions of "TDR"?? The Ventures never recorded it.
Many thanks,
Mikey
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:25:02 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: The Mark IV
Al, earlier:
> ... Mark IV that had a late 50's single called "(Make With) The Shake".
Me:
> They are shown in Whitburn as the same group that did "I Got A Wife",
> but I don't know how accurate that is.
Al again:
> It is accurate. Same sort of sound, same label (?)
I don't remember hearing the first one, so I didn't know about the sound.
As for the label, first one charted on Cosmic, 2nd on Mercury.
> what would make it INaccurate?
I was only guessing because there were so many groups with that same name.
> Also the hazy memory bethinks that one was the follow-up to the other.
First one charted 3/58, 2nd one 1/59, so probably too much later to be
the follow-up.
gem
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:27:32 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Genya/Goldie
Someone (me) said that:
> ... Genya Ravan (is) Goldie's real name.
Al Kooper:
> Uhhhh.... I think its the other way around. NOBODY takes
> Zelkowitz for a stage name.
I meant to say that Genya is her real FOREname. Actually,
according to her autobiography, her real name is Genyusha
Zelkowitz.
Talking of real names, what's yours, Al?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:48:22 -0800 (PST)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: The D-Men/Fifth Estate
I always thought "Number One Hippie On The Village
Scene" in its original form sounded a heck of a lot
like something the Lovin' Spoonful would have done.
Did the Fifth Estate ever shop that one to Sebastian
and co.?
I happened across an airing of "The Wizard Of Oz" last
night BTW, and I couldn't listen to the Munchkins
singing "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead" without hearing
the Fifth Estate rocking it up...
David
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:01:36 -0800
From: Charles Ulrich
Subject: Re: "Goin' Back"
Barry Margolis:
> The Move recording "Goin' Back"? Don't think so. They did, however,
> record "Don't Make My Baby Blue" on their "Shazam" album.
The Move performed Goin' Back on the BBC television show Colour Me
Pop in 1968. Audio and video recordings are in circulation among
collectors. The performance has appeared on several bootlegs.
--Charles
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:19:09 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: "Where The Girls Are" Vol.6 / "Spanish Boy" at Musica
Hola Everybody.
I moved and I´ve been without internet for two weeks or so (this
is rather trivial , considering that I´ve also been without heating,
and these last weeks had been icy here in Madrid, I seriously
considered burning my spare furniture). Now everything is more
or less all right.
I´m completely obsessed with the last "Volume Of The Girls Are",
It is a perfect collection, Mick and Malcolm have over exceeded
themselves. It's hard to choose some track because I like most of
them a lot, but perhaps my favorite is the beautiful "Lost" by The
Darlettes, typical of the encircling style of Van McCoy. It´s my
favorite record so far this year.
I would like also to thank Mick for playing "Spanish Boy" by the
Kane Triplets, it´s fun. I was only familiar with The Rubies'
version.
It´s twelve o clock, dinner time for me (it sounds like a Count
Dracula´s motto).
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:23:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrea Ogarrio
Subject: Eydie's Goin' Back
Frank J wrote:
> Well, to my ears ("Goin' Back" by Eydie Gorme" is) a rich and lively
> arranged version and I like Eydie's fragile voice. But I'm glad to
> see that at Spectropop one doesn't have to like everything that plays
> at musica.
I agree that this is a super version. What album is this track from?
Andrea O.
www.rapiers.net
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:50:45 -0800 (PST)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: The Knickerbockers/Buddy Randell
Buddy Randell of the Knickerbockers died sometime last
year or very early this year.
David
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:00:19 -0500
From: Vlaovic B.
Subject: Re: 'What Does a Girl Do?" CD
Martin Roberts:
> ...I confess to being a bit of a girl group nut, but (the "What Does
> A Girl Do?" CD) is another essential purchase! Maybe it's par for the
> course to get blasé with the way Mr. Patrick in particular keeps
> compiling these obscure girl group recordings. He's been doing it for
> so long that the high quality is expected and perhaps taken for
> granted...
Sorry i didn't mean to suggest the quality wasn't there on this disc.
Notes, pics, misc. ads and of course music all add up to a nice package.
I still have 'Where the Girls are' on vinyl and yeah, it too is not
'essential' but what a trip it was buying it at that time and realizing
there were other people out there who shared my obsession with girl group
records both famed and obscure. I'm also equally excited about another
volume in the long dormant 'Early Girls' Series.
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:53:59 -0000
From: Bill
Subject: Terry Melcher, R.I.P.
Songwriter, Record Producer Terry Melcher Dies
Associated Press, November 20, 2004
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. -- Terry Melcher, a record producer and
songwriter who aided the careers of Ry Cooder, the Byrds and the
Beach Boys, has died, his publicist announced Saturday. He was 62.
Melcher, the son of actress Doris Day, died Friday night at his
Beverly Hills home after a long battle with melanoma.
Melcher co-wrote the hit song "Kokomo" for the Beach Boys and
performed on their album "Pet Sounds." The song was used in the
movie "Cocktail," where it garnered a Golden Globe nomination in 1988
for best original song.
In the early 1960s, Melcher began singing as a solo act and later
paired with future Beach Boy Bruce Johnston to form the group Bruce &
Terry. The pair had several hits, then went on to form the Rip
Chords, which recorded the 1964 hit "Hey, Little Cobra."
In the mid-1960s, Melcher joined Columbia Records as a producer.
Working with the Byrds, he produced their top-selling version of Bob
Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man" and other hits, including "Turn, Turn,
Turn."
Melcher also produced hit songs for Paul Revere and the Raiders and
during his career worked with Gram Parsons, the Mamas and the Papas
and Ry Cooder.
He served as the executive producer of his mother's CBS show, "The
Doris Day Show," from 1968 to 1972 and co-produced her mid-1980s
show, "Doris Day's Best Friends."
Melcher also helped run his mother's charitable activities, including
the Doris Day Animal Foundation.
In 1969, his name became linked with the grisly Charles Manson
murders.
Melcher once rented the home where Sharon Tate and a group of her
friends were murdered by Manson followers. Rumors circulated that
Melcher, who knew Manson, was the real target because he had turned
Manson down for a record contract.
Los Angeles police discounted the rumors. Melcher had since moved to
Malibu and police established that Manson knew of his new address.
Melcher is survived by his mother, his wife, Terese, and his son
Ryan. Funeral services will be private.
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:15:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Lapka Larry
Subject: "The Turkey" by the Raiders
Does anyone have "The Turkey" by The Raiders? If so, please contact
me off list.
Larry Lapka
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:27:19 -0000
From: Various
Subject: Spoonful covers / Michael Brown / Ed Sullivan "live"
Speaking of Spoonful covers, Michael Brown and Ed Sullivan "live":
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Another somewhat odd Spoonful cover is the Duprees doing
"Didn't Want To Have To Do It" on Columbia Records.
R.Pingel
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Johnny Cash and June Carter's cover of "Darling Companion" is, I
believe, the cover of which John Sebastian is proudest.
C Ponti
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I haven't heard that [Louis Prima single (on Kama Sutra!)], but I
have "Daydream" on a 4 Freshmen LP.
gem
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John DeAngelis wrote:
> A while back Spectropop member Michael Greenberg turned me on to
> the album "A Spoonful of Lovin'" by the Artie Schroeck Implosion,
> an album of nicely done instrumental Spoonful covers.
Apparently Artie Shroeck was into ALL things "Lovin'", because he
and Jet Loring gave the world the great Marmalade/Grass Roots hit
"Lovin' Things".
Glenn
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Austin:
> Hey Barry, I thought, for some reason, that Bill and Steve Jerome
> had produced the first few Left Banke singles. Could be wrong.
Austin,
Bill & Steve were engineers on Left Banke dates.
Leslie Fradkin
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Gerry House wrote:
> Also, I recently paid a fortune for the 2 CD set of The Left Banke.
> I haven't been able to find out whatever happened to Michael Brown.
I got that CD from ebay for £15 this February. It does show up
now & again.
> There is a radio interview with Michael and the other Left Banke-rs
> on the Net that was done in the past few years.
It's at http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/6334
David Heasman in London, a barterer.
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Previously:
> I thought, for some reason, that Bill and Steve Jerome had produced
> the first few Left Banke singles. Could be wrong.
On the surprisingly rare CD "There's Gonna Be A Storm" (which in hell
did they delete this????) on Mercury from 1992, Walk Away Renee, I
Haven't Got The Nerve, Pretty Ballerina, I've Got Something On My Mind,
and Lazy Day were produced by Harry Lookofsky, Steve & Bill Jerome for
World United Productions, Inc. Harry was Michael Brown's father.
Barry Margolis
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Phil M:
> ... most pop music on Sullivan consisted of the lead singer
> performing live over pre-recorded tracks. I've also seen some
> occasions of straight lip-syncing on Sullivan, but those were rare.
Bob Celli:
> In regards to Gary Lewis and the Playboys, I know for a fact that
> Gary was lip syncing "This Diamond Ring". Snuff Garrett told me that
> during one of our conversations. He said Gary would never be able to
> pull it off "live" and asked Jerry Lewis to intervene to convince Ed
> Sullivan to let Gary lip sync the record. I believe Snuff said that
> Gary may have been the first artist to lip sync a song on Ed's show.
Yes, Gary lip synced "This Diamond Ring". I have a dub of the video
tape and it's very obvious.
Mikey
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Clark Besch:
> Certainly several artists lip-synched their songs on Ed Sullivan,
> tho most did live or live vocals. Funny part is that when the Ed
> Sullivan music Cds came out in the 90's, some of those were not
> live vocals at all!! Kinda stupid to do that, when the music on
> the Cd was identical to the record except for crowd noise. So many
> great live or live vocals and they chose some that weren't live at
> all!! The Byrds are a good example of the situation you speak of.
> They did "Turn Turn turn" live and returned after a commercail
> doing "Mr. Tambourine Man" lipsynched!! Then the show sometimes had
> taped music but would spice on a cold ending (instead of the record
> fade) which often was very choppy editing and didn't quite fit the
> 45's exact sound.
I have all of the Dave Clark Fives' performances from the Ed Sullivan
show on DVD, and there were only two occasions that they did not lip
synch. The first appearance they did live, and the sound was so bad,
that Dave Clark decided the group would lip-synch the performances, so
the sound would be better. The drums on that performance sounded like
tin cans. I think that one of their later performances was live, but
the rest, sad to say, were lip synched. That makes you appreciate the
Beatles live Sullivan performances all the more.
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:06:30 -0000
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: Terry Melcher, R.I.P.
Have just read about the death of Terry Melcher, writer, artist and
producer of so many wonderful sounds in the sixteis and seventies.
Along with Bruce Johnston, he was Bruce and Terry, much of the
recorded Rip Chords and many other one-off songs in the Surf era.
Then as first producer for the Byrds and others, and production work
here in the UK later on. A real talent who will be sorely missed.
Kingsley
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