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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Snowman , Snowman, Sweet Potato Nose.
From: Julio Niņo
2. The Turtles' "Happy Together" currently featured in ad
From: Laura Pinto
3. Alive 'n' Kickin / the missing (?) SGC album
From: Steven Prazak
4. Re: Turtles sue Applebee's over "Happy Together"
From: "That" Alan Gordon
5. Re: Dolly Parton / WSAI
From: Billy G Spradlin
6. Re: Cher and Cher alike
From: Phil X Milstein
7. Bell/Amy/Mala/etc
From: Al Quaglieri
8. Re: The Clique
From: Dave Monroe
9. Happy Xmas
From: Richard Williams
10. Re: Bell/Amy/Mala/etc
From: Mikey
11. New Supremes CD
From: Stephanie
12. Re: Bell/Amy/Mala/etc
From: Davie Gordon
13. Re: Happy Xmas
From: Max Weiner
14. Re: The Jaynetts' Snowman, Snowman, Sweet Potato Nose
From: James Moniz
15. Re: Monkees masters
From: Phil X Milstein
16. Re: The Clique / "Sweets For My Sweet"
From: MopTopMike
17. Happy Holidays
From: Brent Cash
18. Bell records and the Riddles
From: Clark Besch
19. Re: the missing (?) SGC album
From: Eddy
20. Re: acetate 45 help
From: George Schowerer
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:07:01 -0000
From: Julio Niņo
Subject: Snowman , Snowman, Sweet Potato Nose.
Hola Everybody,
I want to thank Mick for playing the very hypnotic "Snowman,
Snowman, Sweet Potato Nose" by The Jaynetts. I find it childish
and charming but somehow wicked at the same time. I donīt know
why it disquiets me a little. Anyway I love it.
PS: my cats also seem to feel something perverse in the song,
because when I play it loud they run and hide under the bed, very
nervous.
Chao.
Julio Niņo.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:23:42 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: The Turtles' "Happy Together" currently featured in ad
Hi Spectropoppers,
Anyone else enjoying hearing the original "Happy Together" by the
Turtles being played on a TV ad for the fragrance Clinique Happy? I
love how the great songs of our generation are continuing to be used
in this manner. Kind of proves that our music was, and remains, the
best out there!
I'd drafted this message prior to visiting the board, and I see
there's a post about the Turtles suing Applebees over the use
of "Happy Together" with modified lyrics ... I've not read the
writeup but I intend to very shortly. I'll have to forward the link
to the singer of that particular jingle, Ron Dante!
Laura
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:18:05 -0500
From: Steven Prazak
Subject: Alive 'n' Kickin / the missing (?) SGC album
At the height of Tighter Tighter's chart run, I vividly remember a pretty
rockin' Alive 'n' Kickin opening up for the Ides of March at a show in
Charleston, SC (the Ides were in the throes of Vehicle's popularity).
Interesting to see the non-Nazz artists who got SGC singles out. I had no
idea! But what about the albums? The three Nazz elpees had SGC numbers of
5001, 5002 and 5004. Was there a 5003 album for Neil Sedaka or the Will
O'Bees? Or was it perhaps intended for Rundgren's first solo foray?
Steven Prazak
Atlanta
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:51:16 -0700
From: "That" Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Turtles sue Applebee's over "Happy Together"
In response to several queries regarding the Applebees jingle. I do not
control the copyright, permission was given by the publishers. I do NOT
like it when any changes are made to lyrics. The Turtles own the master
to "Happy Together" and so whenever someone uses a different version
they are not compensated, that is what is driving this lawsuit. We have
been very blessed with numerous commercials and I`m very grateful for
each and every one of them. Most recently Caldwell Banker, Heineken, and
Clinique have all used the Turtles version of the song. With all that`s
going on in the world today this doesn`t amount to a hill of beans!!!
It`s meaningless. In the spirit of JINGLE bells I`d like to wish all of
the Spectropop family a joyous peaceful loving holiday and happy new
year.
Best, That Alan
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:49:58 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: Dolly Parton / WSAI
I suggested for the Rhino box set:
> > Dolly Parton - "Don't Drop Out" (great example to show that
> > other non-pop artists tried out the style)
Country Paul:
> What style? And was this from her Monument period or from RCA? Is it
> available for listening anywhere?
Girl Group style, 1966 Mountment - its on Ace's "Where The Girls Are -
Volume One" CD.
Sorry to hear about WSAI switching to liberal talk. Clear Channel just
switched a weak performing station in Portland OR that was running
Real Oldies to Air America and thier ratings soared in the first
month. Its going to be interesting to see what it does in a more
conservitive market like Cincy. I hope they keep the format going in
Chicago on WRLL 1690.
Had CC spent money really promoting WSAI, hiring live DJ's (instead of
pre-recorded voice-tracking) and slowly modifying their "sound" to see
what clicked it might have done much better. They pretty much sounded
the same way the entire year, keeping the same anti-FM liners, jingles
and music. No wonder why WSAI's ratings were so flat.
Billy G. Spradlin
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:50:11 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Cher and Cher alike
Rick Hough wrote:
> I did a four-pager for Goldmine in Feb '82, ("Cher - The Vinyl
> Definitive" - it was the first discography / serious treatment of her
> recordings.) ... I'll put that feature online soon for posterity since
> there doesn't seem to be much else by others which has surfaced
> in the ensuing 23 years.
Sure would love to see it, when and if you get it transferred.
Barry Margolis asks:
> Was "A Woman's Story" on the "Stars" LP?
I'm not familiar with the "Stars" album. Who produced it?
--Phil M.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:33:05 -0500
From: Al Quaglieri
Subject: Bell/Amy/Mala/etc
Barry Margolis wrote:
> I wish Michel Ruppli - the writer who puts together superb label
> discographies for Greenwood Press (Atlantic, Blue Note, Chess, Mercury,
> MGM, Imperial/Aladdin, etc.) would do one on the Amy-Mala-Bell years.
> There's no telling how many gems are hiding in their vaults!
No telling is right. I believe the paperwork for those labels is lost to
the ages. Back when Arista was a standalone operation on 57th Street,
there was a Hitchcock-type old timer to whom all A-M-B questions would be
directed, he seemed the only one who knew where the bodies were buried.
When he died, he took that information with him.
Davie Gordon's A-M-B group/website is as close as we're ever going to get
to the A-M-B data.
Al Q
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:56:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: The Clique
I picked up a 45 by The Riddles the other day the
b-side of which is a cover of Pomus/Shuman's "Sweets
for My Sweet" ("It's One Thing to Say," on Mercury).
I know The Drifters and The Searchers had recorded it
previously, but am convinced someone had taped a
rather elss obvious version of it for me some time
back. The shop owner had some idea The Clique had
done it as well, though I can't find any quick
confirmation online. Help! Thanks ...
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:06:15 +0000
From: Richard Williams
Subject: Happy Xmas
I won't be alone in wanting to thank Spectropop's contributors and
moderators for enriching another year. Happy Christmas to all.
Richard Williams (already budgeting for Hip-O Select's Motown series...)
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:32:06 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Bell/Amy/Mala/etc
So who OWNS the Amy/Mala/Bell masters? Can't someone do an inventory
on the tapes and see what's there? Hell, I'LL do it if they want!!!
Mikey
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 05:05:44 -0000
From: Stephanie
Subject: New Supremes CD
For info about new Supremes Cd, follow this URL:
http://www.hip-oselect.com/catalogue_supremeswdolg.asp
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:24:43 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: Bell/Amy/Mala/etc
Mikey wrote:
> So who OWNS the Amy/Mala/Bell masters? Can't someone do an inventory
> on the tapes and see what's there? Hell, I'LL do it if they want!!!
BMG own Amy-Mala-Bell and I would think, by extension, Madison,
Mr. Peeke / Mr. Peacock and probably the kiddie label offshoots.
A bigger problem is who owns the sixty or so labels that AMB
distributed at one time or other. Some of them, Goldwax for one,
reverted to the original owners. It all depends on the wording
of the original distribution contracts signed with A-M-B over
three decades ago. BMG might be assuming they still own the
rights to some of the smaller labels - frankly I don't know.
I doubt BMG particularly care - we're not talking about stuff
that's going to worry the chart compilers. BMG know they've got
the Arista catalogue which is of far more value to them than
the pre-Columbia Pictures catalogue.
Davie
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:57:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Max Weiner
Subject: Re: Happy Xmas
Richard Williams wrote:
> I won't be alone in wanting to thank Spectropop's contributors and
> moderators for enriching another year. Happy Christmas to all.
I have to second that Richard. This has been my first year with you
folks, and what an enjoyable learning experience this has been. I
look foward to the next year with Spectropop, but until then, Happy
Christmas to all of you. And, Clark, thanks again for the card!
max
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:15:54 -0500
From: James Moniz
Subject: Re: The Jaynetts' Snowman, Snowman, Sweet Potato Nose
Julio Niņo:
> ... the very hypnotic "Snowman, Snowman, Sweet Potato Nose" by
> The Jaynetts. I find it childish and charming but somehow wicked
> at the same time. I donīt know why it disquiets me a little.
> Anyway I love it. PS: my cats also seem to feel something perverse
> in the song, because when I play it loud they run and hide under
> the bed, very nervous.
That's so strange the first time I played "Sally Go Round the Roses"
by the Jaynetts my cats also started to act strange (meowing and
hiding).
--JAMES
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:47:17 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Monkees masters
Davie Gordon wrote:
> I doubt BMG particularly care - we're not talking about stuff
> that's going to worry the chart compilers. BMG know they've got
> the Arista catalogue which is of far more value to them than
> the pre-Columbia Pictures catalogue.
Arista originally inherited the Monkees catalogue, yet it now SEEMS to
be held by Rhino -- thankfully, as they've done a far better job with it
than Arista ever did. Presuming this to be true, did Rhino buy it
outright from Arista at some point?
--Phil M.
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:17:06 -0000
From: MopTopMike
Subject: Re: The Clique / "Sweets For My Sweet"
Dave Monroe wrote:
> I picked up a 45 by The Riddles the other day the
> b-side of which is a cover of Pomus/Shuman's "Sweets
> for My Sweet" ("It's One Thing to Say," on Mercury).
> I know The Drifters and The Searchers had recorded it
> previously, but am convinced someone had taped a
> rather elss obvious version of it for me some time
> back. The shop owner had some idea The Clique had
> done it as well, though I can't find any quick
> confirmation online. Help! Thanks ...
The Buckinghams released their version of "Sweets For My Sweet" as
their debut single in January 1966, just prior to getting signed to
the USA label. The Riddles version came out in mid 1967.
The shop owner must be confusing "Sugar On Sunday" with "Sweets..."
MopTopMike
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:10:59 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Happy Holidays
Hi all,
I'd like to wish all Spectropoppers the world over a peaceful,
happy holiday season.
Brent Cash
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:50:22 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Bell records and the Riddles
Dave Monroe wrote:
> I picked up a 45 by The Riddles the other day the b-side of which
> is a cover of Pomus/Shuman's "Sweets for My Sweet" ("It's One
> Thing to Say," on Mercury). I know The Drifters and The Searchers
> had recorded it previously, but am convinced someone had taped a
> rather less obvious version of it for me some time back.
Dave, do you like the Riddles' version? I love it! It made top 20
in Chicago on WLS in 1966. The Riddles hailed from Chitown and this
version is a dead ringer for the Cryan Shames to me. The Cryan
Shames were at a Riddles gig one night when everyone hit the dance
floor as they broke into the Searchers' "Sugar & Spice". The Shames
knew right then that they HAD to make that their first record and the
rest is history! The Riddles' "Sweets.." was orginally on Chicago's
Quill Records. The other version you MAY be thinking of is Central
Park West's version on Event Records, who gave us the Buchanan
Brothers (Cashman, Pistilli & West). I always thought the group WAS
C, P & W under another name, but in the last week, someone posted
here that he was in the band following their 45, so they must have
been a real band. He referred to them as "Central Park", so wonder
if the "West" was due to West of CP&W?? The B side is a CPW
original, so they had a lot to do with the group. Anyway, there's a
possiblity.
Mikey wrote:
> So who OWNS the Amy/Mala/Bell masters? Can't someone do an
> inventory on the tapes and see what's there? Hell, I'LL do it
> if they want!!!
Somewhere, I have the working list Sundazed sent for the Bell various
artists things they put out so that I could assist. The tracks
covered MANY Bell labels, so I would guess the owners now have most
all those oddball labels of Bell. I have most of the info stored (I
think) on my OLD computer. If I find time, I'll hook it up and copy
off what I found and what they sent. Might help. Many were
unreleased tracks as you know, if you have the Cds.
Altho Erfam Turchick is no longer with Sundazed, I think I was
talking with him and put together some songs that would make a pop
comp of Bell tracks, as he said they still "had access" at the time.
Obviously, my choices did not fit the plan, as nothing came of it.
Sometimes ya throw things at the wall and they stick. Sometimes they
don't. You should see my walls!!
Clark
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:23:03 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: the missing (?) SGC album
Steven Prazak:
> The three Nazz elpees had SGC numbers of 5001, 5002 and 5004. Was
> there a 5003 album for Neil Sedaka or the Will O'Bees?
5003 is the Run Wild Run Free soundtrack, the only non-Nazz album
on SGC.
Eddy
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:05:27 -0800 (PST)
From: George Schowerer
Subject: Re: acetate 45 help
Zach wrote:
> This afternoon I found a couple of acetate 45 singles. They
> are both one-sided and I was wondering if anyone could help
> me identify them. The first single has a label on it that
> reads that it was produced by Mira Sound Studios, Inc. out
> of New York City. Track is titled "Changes"(new track)"
> Everything is typewritten on that one. The track is an
> instrumental. It's kind of garage-y psych pop, with an almost
> exotica flare to the sound. It starts with some kind of
> primitive percussion instruments with some dubby/echo reverb
> type of effects used.
> On the second acetate, the label reads TRO (The Richmond
> Organization), also out of NYC. The song title is "I'm Gonna
> Sing Me a Love Song." It's by (I assume) Melody Trails. I can't
> find a thing about Melody Trails. The track is definitely '50s
> or '60s folk (I am thinking more '60s) and it is very sparse and
> beautiful--the vocalist even starts to whistle a chorus.
Zach: I was chief engineer of Mirasound and your description of
the typed label is accurate, but none of the other clues gives me
any idea (at this point) as to who it was. Mirasound had a decent
echo chamber (and an EMT as well). I used an occasional delay to
the chamber (ala Columbia records vocal chamber delay for Tony
Bennett, Johnny Mathis, etc.) and also on things like strings,
but I never used reverb (slapback kind of echo) or (guitar type
reverb). Your description sounds like it might be in the demo
category, rather than a session type recording.
Regards,
George Schowerer
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