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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Tina on Vogue Belgium
From: Mick Patrick
2. Ron Dante audio interview on Vegas Buzz
From: Laura Pinto
3. Re: Toni Wine & the Chiffons
From: Joe Nelson
4. Shindig! magazine
From: Jon 'Mojo' Mills
5. The Spector Sessions
From: Tony Leong
6. Joe Brown, Hank Marvin and US vs UK diets.
From: Steve Harvey
7. Is Record Exchanger back?
From: Stephen C Propes
8. Nancy Sinatra
From: Lapka Larry
9. Arkade and Royal Guardsmen @ musica
From: Michael Thom
10. The Ronettes' "Chapel Of Love"
From: Sean
11. Jack Good
From: Austin Powell
12. Re: France Gall @ musica
From: Dave Monroe
13. Re: French rockpop / recommended CDs
From: Dave Monroe
14. Bob Kuban - Musicland
From: Shawn Nagy
15. Tina on Vogue Belgium
From: Dave Monroe
16. "Beyond The Sea"
From: Michael Edwards
17. The Current Crystals
From: Paul Urbahns
18. Re: Rockin' Ramrods / Rockin' Rebels
From: James Botticelli
19. Re: French-Canadian artists
From: Dave Monroe
20. "Good Vibrations"
From: Michael Edwards
21. Re: Rockin' Rebels
From: Lyn Nuttall
22. Re: The (current) Crystals
From: ACJ
23. Re: French rockpop Dutronc
From: Frank J
24. Re: The Ronettes' "Chapel Of Love"
From: Tony Leong
25. Re: Toni Wine & the Chiffons
From: Laura Pinto
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:09:30 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Tina on Vogue Belgium
Jesse:
> ...two singles by an obscure singer called Tina...I treasure
> them dearly...The label is Vogue Belgium. One single (VB 074)
> has covers of River Deep Mountain High (Comme le fleuve aime
> la mer) and A Love Like Yours (Don't Come Knocking Everyday)
> — the latter, renamed Toc, Toc, Toc, is just great. To my ears,
> it's even better than Tina Turner's version. It's also louder.
> The other single (VB 080) is even better. S'il le fallait is a
> cover of an Italian song by Massara and Pallavicini with French
> lyrics by Vline Buggy; Cest toujours is an adaptation of a Pike/
> Randazzo song (I don't know what the original is; it sounds
> familiar). S'il le fallait combines a louder-than-Spector Wall
> of Sound with a dark, threatening organ. Try that on your cats.
Alas, Ramona has gone to pussycat heaven. Besides, she hated pop
music, and paper bags. However, I'd love to hear Tina and her
threatening organ. She sounds faaaaaaabulous! Any chance of
posting "S'il le fallait" to musica?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:26:35 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Ron Dante audio interview on Vegas Buzz
Hi folks,
Ron Dante did a telephone interview with Vegas Buzz on December 2,
2004. This interview has just been archived on their site. To give it
a listen, visit http://snipurl.com/bug2 and click on the appropriate
link.
Enjoy,
Laura
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 11:12:04 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Toni Wine & the Chiffons
Mick Patrick re; Toni Wine:
> Her husband, Allan Rinde, is a Spectropop member, although quiet of
> late. I'll contact him and ask him to make sure Toni hears the track.
I keep wondering when was the last time Toni, Ron Dante and Donna
Marie were on the same stage together? Now, THAT'S a Spectropop event!
Joe Nelson
(twittering...)
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:55:46 -0000
From: Jon 'Mojo' Mills
Subject: Shindig! magazine
Hello S'poppers,
A lot's going on at the moment, so to save me repeating what I've
written on the site go here http://www.shindig-magazine.com/news.html
for all the latest news. You'll also be able to see the gorgeous front
covers of SD#7 and It's Hip! It's Happening! :- The Gospel According
To Shindig! (the SD compilation album) - both out at the end of the
month!
Love to you all in 2005
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Jon 'Mojo' Mills, Editor
Shindig Magazine
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:07:21 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: The Spector Sessions
Hey Gang HELP!!!!!!
I was listening to the Spector Sessions and for once, I am STUMPED
with a couple of things!! Usually, I am good at picking out voices
(ie. Cher, Edna, Darlene), but I have a couple of Crystals questions
now.
There's a song "Chico's Girl" credited to nobody. That voice sounds
like Barbara Alston actually SINGING, not whispering. Is that an
unreleased Crystals cut--and is that Barbara leading???
And WHO is singing in unison with Lala on Heartbreaker??? Whomever
it is can clearly be heard on the line .."dont you know he winks his
eye....", its sort of an alto voice, but not Cher or Darlene
sounding. Very strange since supposedly Phil never brought any other
Crystals but Lala out to Gold Star!!!!
And it is a mystery to me which Crystal is joking on Phil in
between "Uptown" takes saying " ....he's the frailest looking thing
in New Yawk an' he's on a diet!!!"
Of course the on going mystery on "Parade Of the Wooden Soldiers",
WHo is singing the line "Here them all cheering......" ??
Lastly, doesnt "River Deep Mountain High" sound so much more punchy
without the strings???????
Tony
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:40:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Joe Brown, Hank Marvin and US vs UK diets.
There is a funny story about the English guitarists on
the Shadows farewell tour DVD. As Joe Brown relates
Eddie would put a banjo string on the high E string
and then move all the other strings over one place
(the high E string now became the B string, and so
forth). As a result all the strings were easier to
bend as they were a lighter gauge. James Burton also
did this and Hank Marvin was a fan of Burton's.
However, he didn't know that Burton was using this
trick (Hank also through Burton was playing a
Stratocaster - heresy!). Hank said the Brits put the
ability to bend strings ala Americans down to dietary
intake of the Americans ("steaks, eggs, etc") while
the British guitarists were coming off the days of
WWII rationing (which lasted well into the 50s in
England). Eventually they caught onto the trick. I'm
sure Joe Brown never gave away the secret to his
countrymen as the ability to bend strings gave him all
session work he could handle.
Reminds of all the poor souls who tried to figure out
how Les Paul played so fast on his records only to
find out later that he simply speed up the tape while
making records.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:45:26 -0000
From: Stephen C Propes
Subject: Is Record Exchanger back?
Courtesy of John Blair, I just found this site:
http://www.recordexchanger.com/vintage/company.shtml
Does anybody know whether this means a cyberspace return of the old RE?
Steve
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:09:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Lapka Larry
Subject: Nancy Sinatra
Dear All:
Help!
Nancy Sinatra's fine new LP forced me to reexamine her
hitmaking years, and while I know there will be some
disagreement on this, I really liked her style and I
liked her singing voice. I believe her songs were
tailored to whatever limitations she had as a vocalist,
and she handled them expertly.
I seem to be missing a few things here and there.
Would anybody have these songs? If so, please contact
me off the board:
Happy (Reprise 0756, 1968)
It's Such a Lonely Time of the Year (Reprise 0880, 1969)
and any of her Reprise 45s from 1970 and 1971.
I wish something would come out legitimately on her pre-
hitmaking years, which I think were mildly interesting
in their own right.
Thanks for the help.
Larry Lapka
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:39:50 -0000
From: Michael Thom
Subject: Arkade and Royal Guardsmen @ musica
Now playing at musica:
Arkade - Fool's Way Of Lovin' (stereo promo)
Royal Guardsmen - Squeaky vs. The Black Knight (Canadian version)
Enjoy!
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:32:26 -0000
From: Sean
Subject: The Ronettes' "Chapel Of Love"
On the Ronettes version of "Chapel of Love" I recognize a lot of
voices on there (Sonny, Cher, Darlene Love, etc.) I was wondering who
is doing the soprano part, she repeats the lines right after Ronnie
sings them. Is it one of the Blossoms? Estelle or Nedra? And on their
versions of "Mashed Potato Time" and "The Twist" who is the alto
voice that is right up front? Any info would great, thanks!
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:22:24 -0000
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Jack Good
Dave Heasman:
> I recall one column where he raved about 2 records he'd heard
> in the US and said they'd never even get released here. He was
> wrong, they were US Bonds' "New Orleans" and Maurice Williams'
> "Stay", but I think his enthusiasm got the Top Rank label here
> to pick them up after, I assume, the London label passed.
Dave, I think the thrust of that particular column (Disc -
Dec 10/1960) was that even though both records were released here,
Jack was complaining EMI weren't promoting them properly. I say
this because when researching the Top Rank label, I saw some
internal EMI correspondence where US lawyer Paul Marshall was
lambasting the top brass at EMI, saying how upset his US clients
were by the piece. He was pointing out how hard he worked on EMI's
behalf to bring hit records to them and how little they did in
return. The result was both records had more plays scheduled on
EMI's Radio Luxembourg shows, though this took 10 days to 2 weeks
because of the way these programmes were pre-recorded. Additional
music press ads were also booked though none appeared in Disc (as
revenge!). Jack was right, of course. Top Rank didn't get much
priority within EMI at the time.
However, sales weren't that bad. "New Orleans" had sold over 20,000
by the end of December with another 9,000 going on export and "Stay"
had done 30,000 and nearly 12,000 on export. Compare those figures
to today's UK sales and they'd have both been Top Tenners.
There was a further complaint regarding "New Orleans" sometime later.
One critic pointed out that the practice of fading records way before
the end on Radio Luxembourg programmes did considerable harm to the
track because of the fine sax solo towards the end. If more people
had heard it, more copies would have been sold.
Austin P.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 05:29:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: France Gall @ musica
Frank wrote:
> Thanks to the S'pop team, who kindly managed it for
> me, the Frankenstein track is now playing at Musica
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Thanks! Merci! So, now, what's on the b-side?
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:39:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: French rockpop / recommended CDs
Jeff wrote:
> Can someone recommend any French rockpop greatest
> hits CD? We have many greatest soul CD'S /greatest
> Motown cd's etc. but I have never seen a greatest
> Euro hits CD, or greatest French or Italian hits CD.
If you're talking 60s material, and you're talking
killer tracks vs. chart hits (the former I know, the
latter, who knows?), see Pop a Paris, Vols. 1-5
(there's also a "greatest hits of the greatest hits"
comp, but it's missing some of the bettr tracks from
teh other 5 CDs, so ...). The Atomic Cafe: French
Cuts (2 vols.) is up there as well, but I've only the
double LP sets, and don't know if they are vailable on
CD (all 5 PaP volumes, however, are vaialble as double
LPs as well).
Decent Francoise Hardy, France Gall and Jacques
Dutronc comps wouldn't hurt, either. There are
various multiple CD sets for all three, though one
might get away with, at least at first, the single CD
FG Poupee de cire, poupee de son "best of" of FGs 4CD
box set, or that 2 CD Completement Dutronc comp (which
nontheless lacks at least three of his best tracks,
none of which show up on ANY of the comps, so ...).
Just make sure that whatever FH you get has "Comment
te dire adieu" and "Oh Oh Cheri" on it, is all I can
say (the rest of her best usually follows). And I'd
recommend as well picking up the Pussy Cat comp on
Magic Records--her best tracks aren't much compiled
elsewhere. I have to find out who her band was, 'cos
they out-Who The Who at times. And, of course,
there's all those nice recent Serge Gainsbourg sets as
well (the 2CD one'll do) ...
There are 3 vols of Femmes de Paris as well out,
though they can be hit and miss. Magic Records also
has nome nice, if uneven, ye-ye girl comps. They,
amazon.fr and Dusty Groove America I've found to be
the best sources of 60s French Pop on CD. There's
also a compilation called Wizzz! with some
indispensible tracks, though I think tehy're also
largely scattered amongst those Pop a Paris and French
Cuts comps.
Anyway, if you give me some specifics, I'll see if I
can more closely tailor some recommendations ...
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:01:57 -0000
From: Shawn Nagy
Subject: Bob Kuban - Musicland
I recall the Bob Kuban CD on Collectables being restored off of
vinyl. Since that release, has "The Cheater" appeared on any
releases off master tapes, or particularily have Musicland USA
label masters appeared anywhere?
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:43:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Tina on Vogue Belgium
Jesse wrote:
> When I was a teenager, in the late 1980s, I bought
> two singles by an obscure singer called Tina....
> One single (VB 074) has covers of River Deep
> Mountain High (Comme le fleuve aime la mer) and A
> Love Like Yours (Don't Come Knocking Everyday) —
> the latter, renamed Toc, Toc, Toc, is just great.
> To my ears, it's even better than Tina Turner's
> version. It's also louder.
I just scored this myself recently! It's great! But
who did, er, "Toc Toc Toc" originally? I'm always
working my way backwards from French covers ...
> The other single (VB 080) is even better. S'il le
> fallait is a cover of an Italian song by Massara
> and Pallavicini with French lyrics by Vline Buggy;
> Cest toujours is an adaptation of a Pike/
> Randazzo song ...
Aughh! Yet another record to hunt down, capture, and
domeicate. I HATE it when that happens. Merci!
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:00:49 -0000
From: Michael Edwards
Subject: "Beyond The Sea"
I saw Kevin Spacey's film, "Beyond The Sea" during the week.
As is known, this is Spacey's tribute to Bobby Darin and he
plays the title role in addition to being the director. It's
a very enjoyable film. Spacey has been ragged on for playing
this role, as Darin died at the age of 37 (and was 22 at the
time of "Splish Splash") and Spacey was 43. The age difference
is not a problem as Spacey totally commits himself to the part.
The singing and dance sequences are a joy and Spacey clearly
relished making this tribute to Darin.
It's a film and not an A&E biography, so some parts of Darin's
life are missing. There's no "Queen Of The Hop", "Things",
Jack Nitzsche (sorry, Martin) or Connie Francis. There is a
lot of Sandra Dee (played by Kate Bosworth) and wonderful
interpretations of "Splish Splash", "Beyond The Sea", "Dream
Lover" and "Simple Song Of Freedom". The latter clearly allows
Spacey to play his friend of Bill role to the hilt. No harm in that.
On a trivia note, Tayfun Bademsoy plays the part of Ahmet Ertegun
(one of the biggies at Atlantic Records at the time) but that part
was played by Curtis Armstrong in the recent film, "Ray". But, who'd
have thought: two big films featuring the character of Ahmet Ertegun
released within a couple of months in 2004. Spectropop heaven indeed!
Mike Edwards
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:05:35 EST
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: The Current Crystals
Andrew C Jones wrote about his new Crystals CD having two club
mixes on it. The web site http://www.thecrystals.net/ lists two
songs as Club Mixes on their current CD, He's A Rebel (Club Mix)
and Chapel of Love (Club Mix). He said about the group on the cover,
"Now, I knew in advance that this probably wouldn't be the real
thing, as the ladies on the cover looked to be in their late
twenties" but, it looks like Andrew has the real deal. Dee Dee is
still singing with them and after over 40 years you are lucky to
have one original member left. According to my Rock On book, Dee
Dee was born in 1945 which would make her about 60. And still
lookin' good.
I have seen them in concert at State Fairs and such, they do as
good a show as Girl Groups usually do. I like the girl groups but
outdoor PA systems are generally not good for female voices.
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:02:14 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Rockin' Ramrods / Rockin' Rebels
Davie Gordon wrote:
> If you feel like driving yourself nuts try investigating who
> the Rockin'Rebels were (in all their incarnations)
Or look up garagebands called The Outcasts...
JB
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:12:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: French-Canadian artists
Country Paul wrote:
> Re: French artists, we're overlooking French Canada here....
A record shop friend here has been making periodic trips to
Montreal, so we do get a trickle of Quebecois records here.
Favorites include ...
Les Classels, "Perdu"
Myriam Martin, "Le Blue Beat"
Ginette Reno, "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood"
Jenny Rock, "Le Sloopy"
... as well as various Les Sinners, Les Lutins tracks, a Les Atomes
track, that Les Merseys "Lovely Rita," I think, however, I ended up
with all the bad Les Hamsters tracks, and I've yet to find a useful
Les Hou-Loups one. Some obvious covers there. The GR "DLMBM" is
English-language, on Decca (UK), and fanfunkytastic. She's still
in movies, by the way. There's also a killer "Hit the Road, Jack"
en Francaise by some Quebecois beat band the name of which I can't
recall, but thanks also for this ...
> http://www.retrojeunesse60.com/les.chanteuses.html
See also, of course ...
http://www.retrojeunesse60.com/les.groupes.html
http://www.retrojeunesse60.com/introduction.html
As well as, e.g., ...
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/discologue/index-e.html
http://www.cyberus.ca/~madam/repertoi.htm
http://www.qim.com/
Again, thanks as always ...
Dave Monroe
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:28:10 -0000
From: Michael Edwards
Subject: "Good Vibrations"
I saw the musical, "Good Vibrations" at the Eugene O'Neill
Theater in New York over the Christmas period. It did seem
strange watching the cast create a sunny California scene
while the members of the audience were seated on their overcoats!
The show clearly takes the lead from "Mama Mia" in that the story
line is built around the tunes of a hit band – in this case the
Beach Boys.
This is a treat for Beach Boys' fans as many of their great
recordings are here and they are performed well. In outline,
the plot tells of a group of teens leaving somewhere in the
Mid-West to relocate to Southern California. But then, it's not
about the plot; this one's about the music and it doesn't disappoint.
The harmonies are solid and those great reflective Brian Wilson tunes
such as "In My Room", "Caroline No" and "I Just Wasn't Made For These
Times" are sung impeccably.
The fashions are great, and the enthusiasm is infectious in an
"American Graffiti" sort of way. It's probably not going to do
"Mama Mia" type business but I hope this show has legs.
Jets win,
Mike Edwards
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:00:15 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Re: Rockin' Rebels
I recommend Brian Lee's detailed history of the Rockin' Rebels
and associated bands at his Color Radio site, comprehensively
illustrated with label shots:
http://www.colorradio.com/rockinrebels.htm
My own attempt to throw light on the history of "Wild Weekend"
(the instrumental that started out as a radio jingle) is at
http://www.poparchives.com.au/feature.php?id=261
Lyn
http://www.PopArchives.com.au
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:12:57 -0500
From: ACJ
Subject: Re: The (current) Crystals
For Laura Pinto, and all others interested: I can barely believe
it myself. The picture on the Crystals website's front page is
exactly the same one on my CD, and the tracks on the site's CD
appear to be identical to the ones on mine (though in a different
order, and with all the titles corrected). And I said the ladies
appeared to be in their late twenties? The black lady at far right
in the photo is none other than original Crystal DeeDee Kennibrew.
ACJ
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:52:09 +0100
From: Frank J
Subject: Re: French rockpop Dutronc
Dave Monroe:
> Decent Francoise Hardy, France Gall and Jacques Dutronc
> comps wouldn't hurt, either.
Dave,
there's a Dutronc 7 disc box-set out now in the shape of a cactus.
here's the link to amazon France - http://tinyurl.com/43g2g
I think you can get it at http://dustygroove.com too.
This is really a true collector's item.
Frank J.
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:19:25 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Re: The Ronettes' "Chapel Of Love"
Sean wrote:
> On the Ronettes version of "Chapel of Love" I recognize a lot of
> voices on there (Sonny, Cher, Darlene Love, etc.) I was wondering
> who is doing the soprano part....... And on their versions of
> "Mashed Potato Time" and "The Twist" who is the alto voice that
> is right up front?
Estelle was the alto voice on those cuts you mentioned. I believe
Bobby Sheen is the other prominent voice on the Ronettes' "Chapel
Of Love".
Tony
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:52:15 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Re: Toni Wine & the Chiffons
Joe Nelson wrote:
I keep wondering when was the last time Toni (Wine), Ron Dante
and Donna Marie were on the same stage together? Now, THAT'S a
Spectropop event!
Hi, twittering Joe,
Ron Dante has never appeared with both these talented ladies at
the same time, although that would be a dream show (especially
if Andy Kim were tossed into the mix!). Ron and Donna Marie did
one (and only one) show as The Archies, at a church fund-raiser
in Kenilworth, NJ in 1971. In July of 2002, Ron was reunited with
Toni at Pink's Hot Dogs in L.A. for Archie and Friends Weekend
(set aside by the City of Los Angeles to commemorate the 60th
anniversary of Archie Comics); they sang "Sugar, Sugar" with Ron
on guitar. In September of that year, Ron and his guitar joined
Toni onstage at Genghis Cohen.
Photos of Ron with Toni at both these venues can be found on
Toni's web site at http://www.toniwine.com - Prior to 2002,
Ron and Toni had never actually shared a stage together - Ron
never toured with either Toni or Donna Marie as The Archies.
This is why Toni's site proclaims: "The Archies: Together Again
for the First Time!" (As an aside, the decision had been made,
during The Archies' heyday in the late 60's, NOT to send Ron or
anyone else out on tour as the group - any so-called "Archies"
bands doing concerts and making appearances were frauds, and I
believe Don Kirshner did put a stop to that pretty quickly.)
Laura
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