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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Name That Doris Day Tune
From: Mick Patrick
2. Los Buenos / Los Salvajes
From: Julio Niño
3. Re: "Je T'aime"
From: Jesse
4. Re: Joe Brown & Bizet
From: Dave Monroe
5. Re: Les Irresistibles
From: Jesse
6. Re: Quebec Questions; Vince Taylor
From: Denis Gagnon
7. Groovin' with Tony Orlando
From: Dave Monroe
8. Re: Ben Raleigh
From: Steve Harvey
9. Re: Ben Raleigh
From: Lyn Nuttall
10. Bobby Dee and Bobby Vee
From: Steve Harvey
11. Re: The Montana's
From: Bill Mulvy
12. The Chiffons' BT Puppy LP
From: Richard O
13. Jack Fina at Musica, and a correction
From: Michael Thom
14. "Bumble Boogie", etc.
From: S'pop Projects
15. Re: The Montanas
From: Barry Margolis
16. Re: James Griffin R.I.P.
From: Bob Celli
17. Re: Bobby Dee and Bobby Vee
From: Bob Celli
18. Re: James Griffin R.I.P.
From: Davie Gordon
19. Re: Quebec Questions; Vince Taylor
From: Frank
20. Tokens' "You Loser You Fool"
From: Patrick Rands
21. Re: Ben Raleigh
From: Austin Roberts
22. Carole King on Tomorrow
From: Peter Andreasen
23. Re: Bobby Dee and Bobby Vee
From: Bob Celli
24. Rewriting rock and roll history / English amp
From: Steve Harvey
25. Locating Larry Knechtel
From: Artie Wayne
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:45:57 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Name That Doris Day Tune
Me:
> I can't move for CDs. Some have got to go. Want some? Free?
> Read on . . .
>
> Cast opposite Howard Keel as Wild Bill Hickok and clad head to
> toe in buckskin, bullwhip-cracking Doris Day stomped, shot, spat
> and cussed her way through Calamity Jane, 1953's Hollywood
> musical based on the real life exploits of legendary Wild West
> cross-dresser Martha Jane Cannary Burke. Set during the Gold
> Rush, the movie, her fifteenth – which was rare, in that it was
> written not for the stage but specifically for the silver screen
> – provided Doris with some of her most unforgettable musical
> numbers in 'The Deadwood Stage (Whip-crack – Away!)', 'The Black
> Hills Of Dakota', 'A Woman's Touch' and 'XXXXXXXXXXXXX', all
> created by Sammy Fain and Paul Francis Webster. The latter
> topped the pop charts for a month in 1954, sold a million and
> won that year's Academy Award for best song. Over 50 years later
> it remains the song for which this genuine American icon is best
> remembered.
>
> Name that Doris Day song. Most entertaining correct reply wins
> five free compact discs.
Well, y'all got it right, except for one dingbat whose name I shall
not reveal (middle initial X!). Señor Niño's CDs are in the mail.
I hope he likes Marillion (just kiddin').
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Mick, Is it another kind of twisted joke? What are the CDs about?
I still remember the "Cameo-Parkway affaire". Anyway I´m prisoner
of my instincts and I always trip over the same stone. So... I
suppose that the song you are referring to is the sapphic hymn "My
Secret Love".
Sometime ago I wrote that Doris awakes my filial instinct (with
Oedipus complex included) and that I wish that she could coo me to
sleep, "Secret Love" will be perfect for that matter. But, as usual,
life gives me just the opposite that I would wish because I don´t
usually fall asleep with "Secret Love" but I do instead wake up
every morning with that tune. Yes, it´s the music on my alarm clock.
And the funny thing is that I haven´t choosen it at all, it´s the
way the clock is, a silver galactic rocket, which, when the alarm
rings, turns on flashing lights (red , blue and green like in
Claudine Clark´s song) and it plays the music of "Secret Love" at a
very accelerated rhythm. Now you know my secret.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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I have a secret love for Spectropop, Brill building, and girl group
sounds. I am a long lost friend of Mick, Malcolm, and Carole from
thirty years ago. I treasure my copies of Philately and TWNHA.
Last seen in the UK in '92, during my Sikh phase, (I have now moved
on to Buddhism), I am currently living in San Diego, California,
secretly downloaing Mick Patrick's lovely Spectropop mp3's. Mick,
can you identify me?
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.....and my secret love's no secret any more! There! Did you
like my rendition of the song, Mick? At least it wasn't as
controversial as Ann Blyth's rendition at the 1955 Oscar show.
(she was VERY pregnant when she did it- "Secret Love" indeed!).
Charles L. Ellis
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I'd answer the question, but I'm afraid that the correct answer
must remain a secret, luv!
Tom Taber
(No relation to either Kay Sarah-Sarah, or Will B.)
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Mick...How ya' doin'? Come on give us a hard one! The answer is
"Secret Love". When I was at Warner Bros. Music 20 years after
the song won the Academy Award it still was the most performed
song in the catalog.
regards, Artie Wayne
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It's "Secret Love" of course. Wasn't she a fetishist's dream in
all that buckskin? And she didn't look a day over 25. Incredible.
Dave Heaseman
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It's no secret that I love "Secret Love" from "Calamity Jane".
pres
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It's no secret, love! Oh wait -- maybe it is?
Rodney Rawlings
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Let's see. It's probably a song that was covered by the Ramrods/
Rockin' Ramrods, or any number of French Pop artists whose obscure
recordings are in such great demand. Vive la France! The song,
of course is, "L'amour in the Closet" aka "Secret Love."
Rob Pingel
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"Secret Love".
best, That Alan Gordon
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Secret Love?
Mikey
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I never post, but being a lover of 60s pop I always follow the
threads. The tune, of course, is Secret Love. To this day I get
goosebumps when I hear it. Be well.
Kevin
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Onnnnncccceeeee I haaaad a secret loooveeee....
This song is actually one of those weird memories for me since it
was a favorite of my mother's. She favored it as a bedtime song
for most of my kidhood. Granted, my mom couldn't sing a bit like
Doris but then who else could??
Que Sera Sera,
Dave Gofstein
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Was it "Secret Love"?
Open Love & Light,
Claire Francis
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It's Secret Love. It's about a horse with a taste for daffodils,
supposedly. Hence, secret.
Jesse
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Hey Mick:
The answer: "Secret Love".
Entertaining? Okay, here's a knock-knock joke that you can tell.
It's better when done in person.
You: Knock-Knock
Other guy: Who's there?
You: Gestapo
Other guy: Gesta-----
You (interrupting, in a loud German accent): We will ask the
questions!!!!
Thanks, John DeAngelis
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Could it be "Secret Love", Mick?
Frank
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Hiya Mick, I like your style! Guess the item under consideration
was Secret Love?
All the best,
Robin Miller
P.S. Thanks for your great posts to Musica!
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:25:42 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Los Buenos / Los Salvajes
Hola Everybody.
Dave Monroe (Monropolitan, I love that nick) wrote:
> but any info on any European acts would be of help. Italy I don't
> know. Spain? Los Bueneos, Los Salvajes, The Satin Bells, et al.?
> Thanks again and again ...
Hola Dave, Los Buenos were a Beat or Psychedelic group that released
4 singles on the label Action in 1969. I find their records rather
boring but they are quite prestigious. If you want more info about
them or want to listen to some of their tracks let me know.
Los Salvajes were a beat group that recorded 8 EPs, 5 singles and an
LP between 1964 and 1967. They released some interesting tracks, most
of them versions, some of their originals are quite fun, with rather
surrealistic lyrics.
The Satin Bells? Are you sure they were a Spanish (from Spain) group?
Talking about Spanish beat groups, my favorite by far were Los Brincos.
I´m going to have dinner.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:43:00 -0000
From: Jesse
Subject: Re: "Je T'aime"
Dave Monroe wrote:
> The original Brigitte Bardot duet has already been mentioned, but
> there's a nice trip-hop cover by Barry Adamson (ex-Magazine, Bad
> Seeds), as well as an English-language version by Mick Harvey (ex-
> Bad Seeds as well; there are two MH Gainsbourg-translation albums,
> the first is great, the second, well ...)
Sylvia Robinson, of Mickey & Sylvia and Sugar Hill Gang fame, has an
interesting version of "Je t'aime moi non plus" (renamed Soul Je
t'aime). It's a duet with Ralfi Pagan, and it can be found on her
great Sweet Stuff album (Vibration VI-126, 1976).
Jesse
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:38:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Joe Brown & Bizet
David Coyle wrote:
> I have a video of the 1964 NME Pollwinners Concert that includes
> a set by Joe Brown and the Bruvvers ... Brown puts on an acoustic
> guitar and introduces the number as being from Bizet's "Carmen"
> and the title sounds like "Sep-guid-i-gus." He apparently
> mispronounces it as one of the Bruvvers shouts out "It's Sep-guid-
> i-tus, you nit!" I've not been able to find the actual title or
> spelling. Can anyone help?
Try Carmen's aria, "Près des ramparts de Seville," which is
stylistically a seguidilla, a Spanish (here, meant to be specifically
a Gypsy) dance: http://www.aria-database.com/cgibin/aria-search.pl?43a
It's the well known bit that wasn't recorded by The Vernons Girls as
"Dat's Love," right? That's the habanera from Carmen, by the way.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:31:35 -0000
From: Jesse
Subject: Re: Les Irresistibles
I wrote;
> I first heard Les Irresistibles' "My Year Is A Day" at a Dries Van
> Noten fashion show here in Paris last year ...
Frank wrote:
> It was a huge hit in France, Jesse. N°1.
I wasn't born when it charted and I didn't grow up in France (although
I live here now). Still, I thought I knew all the hits. Somehow, I'm
glad I was wrong — It's always nice to discover 'new' stuff.
Jesse
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:02:32 -0500
From: Denis Gagnon
Subject: Re: Quebec Questions; Vince Taylor
Philippe M:
> Was there much of a Quebec/Paris connection in the popmusic scene?
> For example, did many performers appear in both "countries"?; were
> there many French-language records that were hits in both?; etc.
>
> I've also been meaning to ask where Vince Taylor fit in, if he did
> at all, in the French pop/rocknroll picture.
French singers have always been present in this Province. Montreal,
Québec City and a few other towns were regularly visited by the most
popular singers from France (and some not so popular ones). Big hits
in France were usually also big hits in Québec.
My preferences, at that time, were mostly with English and American
singers (I have seen just about every act that came to Montreal between
1964 and 1970) but I have attended some concerts by French artists,
including Johnny Hallyday, Nicoletta and a few others, when I was a
young man.
Before the late 60's, very few Québec born singers had attempted to
have a "carreer" in France. In fact, I believe only Félix Leclerc had
had some success. In the 1970's this began to change as more and more
"Quebecers" slowly began to have interesting success, in France. The
phenomenon has kept growing and growing and while less and less singers
from France seem to visit us, there are a very large number of Québec
singers that are very popular in France, these days.
As for Vince Taylor, I am sorry to say that before reading his name in
your post, I had never heard of him. I did some "Googling" about him
but nothing I found would help me remember anything about him. While
he seemed to have had a few hits in France he was not known in Québec.
Denis
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:41:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Groovin' with Tony Orlando
John Fox wrote:
> ... Interesting, because Orlando's previous "hit" ("Make Believe"
> by Wind) ...
I just spun Wind's version of "Groovin' with Mr. Bloe" last night!
Anyone have any info on either Wind or Mr. Bloe?
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:43:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Ben Raleigh
Hey Artie,
Ben Raleigh sure wrote some lyrics for cool tunes ("Wonderful,
Wonderful", "She's a Fool", "Love is a Hurting Thing"). I always
thought "Wonderful, Wonderful" should be covered by some country
act like Randy Travis. It has that loping, C&W feel to it.
This Steve Harvey
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:20:02 +1000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Re: Ben Raleigh
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Soon Ben and I just started writing together and started getting
> some good covers...
And, Artie, I know you've never forgotten '4,003,221 Tears From Now',
Judy Stone's 1964 Australian Top 10 hit that you & Ben wrote. It's a
well-known oldie here, but you know all that!
A song that Ben wrote with Mark Barkan, 'Do The Blue Beat (The Jamaican
Ska)', was a bit of a hit down here by Dinah Lee, also in '64. The
original version seems to have been by either Ray Rivera or Jerry
Kennedy. One of my associates has suggested Jerry Kennedy has the edge,
but the evidence is circumstantial and the mystery remains unsolved at:
http://www.poparchives.com.au/feature.php?id=685 Perhaps someone here
with more extensive resources than mine can clear it up.
(There are also songs called 'Blue Beat'/'Do the Blue Beat' by Mark
Thatcher [!], Virginia Lee and Los Sonor that may or may not be the same
song.)
Lyn
at http://www.PopArchives.com.au
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:50:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Bobby Dee and Bobby Vee
Bob Celli wrote:
> ... She asked me if I could supply pics of Bobby Vee and the Shadows
> from 1959, the period where Dylan was in the group for a few gigs ...
Phil M:
> Do any photos of Dylan and Vee together exist?
Even better, how about the Zimmerman and Hank Marvin? Ok, wrong Shadows.
I doubt that Bob was around long enough to have his photo taken in his
Elston Gunn days. He could only play in the key of C, legend has it.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:20:49 -0600
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: The Montana's
Gary Myers:
> Sorry I can't help in your search, but I wanted to let you know that
> I've always liked "You've Got To Be Loved", and our band used to do
> it back then. I suspect that there were not a lot of bands doing that
> one.
"You've Got To Be Loved" is on the Rock N Roll Roots Vol 6 Cd recently
released by WDRV radio in Chicago. The sound is fantastic, (better
than the Dick Bartley version) and is in stereo, unlike The Montanas'
hit compilation, where it appears in mono.
The Roots Cd also includes a direct tape master of "I Need Love" by
the Third Booth, which has wonderful sound as well. It had previously
appeared on a lousy Garage rock import that had taken it from a
scratchy 45.
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:14:49 -0000
From: Richard O
Subject: The Chiffons' BT Puppy LP
I really appreciate being able to hear any of the Chiffons' "My Secret
Love" lp tracks. (As well as the Toni Wine demo version of the current
item). They are so scarce! Can you please make some more available as
well in the near future.
Thanx again,
Richard O
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:57:11 -0600
From: Michael Thom
Subject: Jack Fina at Musica, and a correction
Now playing at Musica: Jack Fina's original "Bumble Boogie."
A correction: The boxed set of electronic recordings by Dissevelt and
Baltan was issued by Basta (not Balta) Music: http://www.bastamusic.com
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:12:38 -0000
From: S'pop Projects
Subject: "Bumble Boogie", etc.
Michael Thom:
> Now playing at Musica: Jack Fina's original "Bumble Boogie."
Talking of which, still available @ S'pop:
Nut Rocker: When Tchaikovsky met B. Bumble, how I was instrumental
by Al Hazan: http://www.spectropop.com/NutRocker/index.htm
Recommended.
Enjoy,
The S'pop Team
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:45:25 -0600
From: Barry Margolis
Subject: Re: The Montanas
The Montanas are one of my favorite obscure UK pop groups. Everyone
should able to find a copy of the US Independence single "You've Got
To Be Loved". It was a huge local hit in California and Chicago, and
this tiny label pressed up TONS of copies. Both sides are first-rate.
The two Warner Brothers singles, "That's How Happiness Begins" and
"Ciao, Baby" are also excellent. There's also more US Independence
singles, "Run To Me", "Heaven Help You", and "A Step In The Right
Direction" also are great. The Decca single is less so. Check 'em out
....most of these singles are not particularly rare.....
Barry
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:06:36 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: James Griffin R.I.P.
I was stunned to read of the passing of James Griffin. I've been a fan
of his for many years recognizing his unique voice in the group "Bread"
and really enjoying his solo efforts after the group's breakup. One of
his best solo works was a track called "She Knows". He wrote several
tunes for my friend Bobby Vee, and in an interview I did with him for
the liner notes of the "Come Back When You Grow Up" cd, he told me he
had been a fan of Vee's since he first heard "Rubber Ball" while in
high school. His wonderful soaring voice and songwriting talent will
sure be missed!
Bob Celli
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:10:36 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Bobby Dee and Bobby Vee
Phil M:
> Do any photos of Dylan and Vee together exist?
None have surfaced thus far but if you were at the shows in Gwinner
or Gackle, ND in August of 59 we need to check your photos. Stop
laughing! Those were two of the three dates Dylan played (sort of)
with the group!
Bob Celli
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:57:49 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: James Griffin R.I.P.
Patrick Beckers wrote:
> I haven't seen anyone mention it on this list yet, so I guess most of
> you won't know, but James Griffin, ex-Bread, died of lung cancer on
> January 11. Only 60 years old.
Thanks for letting us know, Patrick, I hadn't seen this depressing news
anywhere else. I really wish I stll had had my copy of his Polydor album
- I'd love to hear "Father and Son" again. It's always seemed an
injustice to me thet when most people think of Bread they think only of
David Gates - my view was that James was the one to add some grit to the
recipe. Then there's all those songs he wrote mith Michael Gordon, most
of which I haven't had the good fortune to hear. It's a damn shame he
never got the credit he was due when he was still with us.
Davie
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:15:33 +0100
From: Frank
Subject: Re: Quebec Questions; Vince Taylor
Phil X Milstein:
> Was there much of a Quebec/Paris connection in the popmusic scene? For
> example, did many performers appear in both "countries"?; were there
> many French-language records that were hits in both?; etc. I've also
> been meaning to ask where Vince Taylor fit in, if he did at all, in
> the French pop/rocknroll picture.
There always was (and there is still) a particular connection between
French speaking Canadian artists and france, but more in the ancient
traditional music style than in the pop scene. More Felix Leclerc,
Robert Charlebois Gilles Vigneault... than any popsters. There were a
few exceptions of course but the Canadians who made it in France were
more English speaking ones than French.
As for Vince Taylor, any French pop/rock lover would tell you he was a
major star over here, almost forgotten now but really big at the time.
Frank
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:38:52 -0000
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: Tokens' "You Loser You Fool"
Did anyone else notice that The Tokens' You Loser You Fool song from
the Intercourse album (recently reissued on Rev-Ola) was used at the
very beginning of the trailer for the new Will Smith film Hitch? Check
out the trailer here: http://www.empiremovies.com/movies.php?id=751
I wonder if it will be on the soundtrack!
:Patrick
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:41:11 -0500
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Ben Raleigh
Hey Artie, I'm sorry I never got to meet Ben, though I knew David Mook
well. I was lucky to sing all the first Scooby Doo songs including the
theme song. I wrote some but the theme is the one everyone remembers. I
still hear it all the time on TV and it is the favorite cartoon show of
several generations of kids. I do it whenever I do a show and it's
still fun for me and the audience.
Best, Austin Roberts
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:59:57 -0000
From: Peter Andreasen
Subject: Carole King on Tomorrow
Can anyone help me regarding a single released on Tomorrow 7502 from
1966? On one side is "The Road To Nowhere" performed by Carole King.
On the other side is a recording of "Some Of Your Lovin'". I only
have this track on a bootleg CD, but no artist is listed, and I can't
tell if it's the same as the Honey Bees' (Cookies) version from their
Fontana 45. I am confused.
Thanks
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:08:05 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Bobby Dee and Bobby Vee
Me:
> ...could [I] supply pics of Bobby Vee and the Shadows from 1959, the
> period where Dylan was in the group for a few gigs....Dylan had
> talked about his connection with Vee during his days in Fargo at
> length during nine hours of interviews.
Country Paul:
> Has this been mentioned here before? Or is this more "common knowledge"
> that I've completely missed? What a combination! I wonder if this might
> help lead to some kind of Bobby Vee Revival.
The story has been around for years but possibly never here. Dylan was
hanging around Fargo in 59 having landed a job as a busboy at a place
called the Red Apple Cafe. Bobby's brother Bill met him at Sam's Music
Store in Fargo where Dylan (Bob Zimmerman or Elston Gunnn) at the time
pitched himself as a piano player who had just come off the road with
Conway Twitty. Bill brought him over to the local radio station KFGO
and auditioned him on station's piano since they had talked about how
nice it would be to add keyboards to the group. Bill told the boys he
could play fairly well in the key of "C" and combined with the bogus
Conway Twitty story, they hired him and bought him a matching outfit.
He played one weekend with the group and they let him go as he didn't
have a piano, and they couldn't afford to buy him one. The pianos
available at the shows were all badly out of tune so Zimmerman was
relegated to doing handclaps and some background vocals.
A few years later they were playing in NYC and spotted Bob Zimmerman
in the audience. At that same time, Bobby was walking by a record shop
in NYC and saw a familiar face staring back at him. He recognized the
face as Bob Zimmerman but the name on the album was Bob Dylan! That's
the long and short of it. As for a revival, I doubt it. For all the
material supplied,including vintage photos and film clips, Vee will
probably garner a ten second mention, if that! I'm really curious to
see just how much of the material they end up using.
Bob
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:25:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Rewriting rock and roll history / English amp
In 1978 I was able to get backstage for Mr. Springsteen's gig at
the Spectrum. His special guest, Gary Busey, joined him for the
encore. The Buddy Holly Story had just come out so I asked Gary
about the fictional Crickets in the film. He said they made up the
names because "there have been so many people in the Crickets".
While that was true after Buddy died it wasn't true during Holly's
lifetime. The brief addition of Nikki Sullivan was the only personnel
change in the Crickets during Holly's life. I suspect it had to do
with buying the rights to portray Joe and Jerry. When things didn't
work out they were simply written out of existence. Who is gonna
complain since it is a film about Buddy, not the guys who backed
him up, right?
To make matters worse, one of the false Crickets in the film makes
a racist remark about Buddy's wife. Considering the real Crickets
were pretty opened-minded when it came to race relations (enough
for Chuck Berry to invite Jerry to ride with him in his car while
they were on tour)this comes off as a deliberate swipe at the real
Crickets.
Speaking of the movie my video box has a shot of Gary "Buddy" Holly
playing a Telecaster. Pretty silly considering Buddy was the first
Strat rocker of note.
Re: English amps,
The ironic thing is that it took a drummer to come up with the
Marshall amp.
Steve Harvey
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:42:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Locating Larry Knechtel
How Ya'll doin'?...Does anyone have a phone number or address on Larry
Knechtel?
Thanks, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/
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