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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Tony Hatch LP - Help ! ! !
From: Mick Patrick
2. Re: What's New Pussycat
From: Nick Archer
3. Paul Parrish wanted !
From: Sylvain
4. Re: Bert Dache's "Anchors Aweigh Girl"
From: Mikey
5. Re: Les Surfs / Ria Bartok
From: Dave Monroe
6. Re: "Whiter Shade Of Pale"
From: Dave Monroe
7. Re: Marcie and the Cookies
From: Poppy
8. Toni Fisher
From: Barry Margolis
9. Scots wha hey in Italy
From: Frank Murphy
10. Re: The Montanas / Buckinghams
From: Bill Mulvy
11. Re: Johnny Maestro and the Del Satins
From: Fred Clemens
12. Re:James Griffin & Spencer Dryden, R.I.P.
From: Brent Cash
13. Saxony Records
From: Peter Lerner
14. Re: Bertell Daché
From: Peter Lerner
15. Re: Claire Francis
From: Phil Chapman
16. Late Gift
From: James Botticelli
17. Re: The Real Bert Daché
From: Don Hertel
18. Re: "Groovin' With Mr. Bloe"
From: Lyn Nuttall
19. Re: A lot more Quebecois info
From: Michel Gignac
20. Re: answering the answers
From: Gary Myers
21. Re: Ben Raleigh: "Once A Fool," Lesley Miller
From: Jim Allio
22. Re: Marcie and the Cookies
From: Paul Lewis
23. Italian Jobs
From: Austin Powell
24. Tony Hatch Box Set
From: Mikey
25. Re: Claire Francis and The Vikings
From: Scott Swanson
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:40:36 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Tony Hatch LP - Help ! ! !
My pal Szczepanski has asked for help. She's working on a Tony
Hatch project for Sanctuary Records. It's the 40th Anniversary
of the release of the great man's first LP, "The Tony Hatch
Sound". To celebrate, they are releasing six of his original
albums as a box-set, complete with original artwork for each.
Unfortunately, try as she might, Samski has failed to locate a
copy of Tony's "A Latin Happening" LP, released on Pye NSPL
18164 in 1966. She doesn't need the Marble Arch re-issue, just
the Pye original. Of course, Sanctuary have the mastertapes,
but the original cover art has gone walkies. Can you help? If
so, please reply to this message, off-list if you prefer, and
Sam or I will get right back to you.
I'm confident one of our members must own this album (which,
btw, contains a really great version of "Pretty Flamingo").
Help Sam out and make a lovely friend for life.
Hey la,
Mick
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:20:45 -0600
From: Nick Archer
Subject: Re: What's New Pussycat
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> A recent trip through the 2-CD "Tom Jones: The Singles [Plus]" CD
> (BR Music, Holland, 1995/2002) raises a question that intrigues me.
It's good to know that version is somewhere. I have a Parrot 45 with
the glass breaking sound but never could find it on CD.
Nick Archer
Franklin TN
Check out Nashville's classic pop and soft rock radio station SM95,
now streaming at http://www.live365.com/stations/nikarcher
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:03:55 -0000
From: Sylvain
Subject: Paul Parrish wanted !
Hello,
I'm based in Switzerland and currently working on a book in
which various 60s underground legends will be featured. The hard
part of this is that I need to get in touch with most of the
bands which are featured, which is sometimes hard when they
formed in the 60s and remained in the dark since then. Among them,
I NEED to get in touch with Paul Parrish, who recorded a great
psych folk LP in 1968 (The forest of my mind, Music Factory MFS-
12001). The only thing I know is that recording sessions were
done at Tera Shirma Studios in Detroit. I hence suppose that he
was based (and may still be) in Michigan. Does anybody here have
some clues where / how to contact him ? is he still alive ? Any
email adress where I could ring to get in touch with him, or to
know more about how to contact him would be more than welcome.
Thanx a lot in advance for dropping me any info you may have at
my email adress fuzzymental@hotmail.com
Hope to hear from you soon !
cheers
sylvain
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:16:00 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Bert Dache's "Anchors Aweigh Girl"
Tom Diehl wrote:
> Tony Orlando also cut a few releases as Bert or Bertell Daché ...
> A pair of them appeared on a Diamond label 45 and I've posted
> the A-side of this hard-to-find 45 to musica.
I don't think that's Tony Orlando. I think it's really Bertell
Dache and he just sounds like Tony.
Mikey
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:26:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Les Surfs / Ria Bartok
Vlaovic B wrote:
> Lots of talk about French artistes leads me to ask
> about one of my favourite French acts of the 60s.
> Les Surfs! Why haven't they been brought up lately?
> I ask how many 6 piece brother sister acts of
> Madagascar origins, producing French R&R were there?
> Were they really popular in their time? Great stuff
> though. Any recommended compilations? I understand
> the two sisters have died, but 3 of the brothers now
> live in Montreal.
>
> Also I bring up for discussion the late Miss Ria
> Bartok, I love her French stuff, but the two German
> tracks I have (Sixties Girls, Vol 3) are superlative.
> Was she popular in France? Did she have any hits?
> Was her death in 1966 (fire, je crois) big news at
> all?
Madagascar! We were wondering. The Scopitone clip
for their "If I Had a Hammer" is crazy:
http://scopitones.com/index.html
At any rate, Magic Records (who put out those Sixties
Girls comps, see also the currently 3 vol. Femmes de
Paris comps) had Les Surfs CDs out. I never picked
much of anything of theirs up past what's on various
compilations, but I do have MRs two-CD Ria Bartok EP
comp, which, as I recall, is pretty consistent. So if
you like that sort of thing .... I also have at least
one of the OG EPs, I can't recall what's on it, but
it's the same portrait sleeve as on the CD digipak. I
apparently don't have the necessary software to
navigate the Magic Records site at the moment, but
amazon.fr doe have a used copy of the Ria Bartok up.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:36:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: "Whiter Shade Of Pale"
Procol Harum's renowned 1967 hit A Whiter Shade of Pale (henceforth
AWSOP) is widely known for its baroque-styled organ solo, composed
by the group's organist, Matthew Fisher (Gary Brooker is responsible
for the rest of the music, and Keith Reid the lyric). Fisher, an
admirer of Bach, has cited in interviews two very well-known Bach
works as inspiration, the Aria from Bach's Orchestral Suite in D,
BWV 1068, more popularly known as the Air for the G String, and the
chorale prelude BWV 645, Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme, known auf
Englisch as Sleepers, wake.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010818125047/www.bachfaq.org/awsopafg.html
Whuich might explain a "Wachet Auf" reference in Thomas Pynchon's
novel, Vineland as well.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:59:31 -0000
From: Poppy
Subject: Re: Marcie and the Cookies
Peter Lerner wrote:
> I've recently returned from a splendid trip to Australia with the
> family (including an 80 year old and a 5 year old), and managed to
> get into just one second hand vinyl emporium - where I picked up a
> rather tasty demo of Marcie and the Cookies singing "I would if I
> could" - composed by Madara-White-Gilmore, coupled with Sawyer-
> Burton's "All or nothing", of which I have an alternative (original?)
> version by Patti Labelle and the Bluebelles. The 45 is on the
> Australian Columbia label and I assume the group hail from Australia.
> It's a nice single. Can anyone tell me anything about Marcie and the
> girls, or indeed about any original recording of "I would if I could"?
Marcie & the Cookies were an Australian group. I know Marcie is still
performing, you can find some information about her on the web at:
http://www.tarahall.com/marciejones/
poppy
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:18:49 -0600
From: Barry Margolis
Subject: Toni Fisher
Hey, gang:
I'd like to compile a complete (Miss) Toni Fisher discography.
Here's what's handy:
Signet 3-275
The Big Hurt/Memphis Belle 1959
Signet 3-276
How Deep Is The Ocean/Blue Blue Blue 1960
Signet 3-279
Everlasting Love/The Red Sea Of Mars
Signet 3-400
You Never Told Me/A Man That's Steady
Signet 5-394
Toot Toot Amore/You Never Told Me
Columbia 4-42066
Love Big/If I Loved You 1961
Bigtop 45-3097
West Of The Wall (same melody as Toot Toot)/What Did I Do 1962
Bigtop 45-3124
The Music From The House Next Door/Quickly My Love
Smash
(I know I have at least 2 singles, but they're not handy)
Capitol 5901
A Million Heartbeats From Now/Train Of Love 1967
Capitol
(I'm quite sure I have another single, but it's not handy, either)
That's a start...huh?
Barry in Minneapolis
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:39:51 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Scots wha hey in Italy
Margaret G. Still asked:
> Was it common for '60s British musicians to go to Italy to make money?
> I'd heard of going to Hamburg for that, but not Italy. I've wondered
> if "going to Italy" meant something else. Any clues?
The most succesful UK band to hit it big in Italy were Scots outfit Los
Caracas who turned into Middle of The road when Lally Scott offered them
Chirpy Chirp Cheep Cheep.
Read the whole story here:
http://www.loadofold.com/boots/mor_rm71.html
and a more recent interview here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/artists/m/middle_of_the_road/located/page1.shtml
Yes I know they hit it in the seventies but they were working in Italy
in the late sixties.
Frankm
And thanks for the comments on Turn A Whiter Shade of Pale. That song
got me into a lot of trouble trying to impress a female classical fan
with my (zero) knowledge of the works of Bach and my complete
unfamiliarity with the recordings of Jacques Loussier (other than
gleamed from Melody Maker).
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:26:05 -0600
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: The Montanas / Buckinghams
Barry Margolis:
> Everyone should able to find a copy of the US Independence single
> "You've Got To Be Loved".
Gary Myers:
> It was also covered by the 4 Freshmen on one of their Liberty LP's.
Gary Myers:
> But it's nowhere as good.....besides, the B side "Difference Of
> Opinion" is one of the coolest songs released from the UK.
Is that the same "Difference of Opinion" b-side, by the Buckinghams,
found on the expanded "In One Ear And Gone Tomorrow" Sundazed CD?
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:55:59 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Johnny Maestro and the Del Satins
Tom Diehl wrote:
> I know that Johnny Maestro was a member of the Del Satins...
Johnny was indeed a member of the Del-Satins (along with Fred Ferarra
and Les Cauchi), but only towards the end of their existance, just
before they merged with the Rhythm Method to become the Brooklyn
Bridge. The Maestro-included group did record, but no songs were
issued until a later anthology LP of Maestro's work. I don't know
offhand who sang lead on the Diamond release, but it wasn't Johnny.
It was before his time with them.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:38:49 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Re:James Griffin & Spencer Dryden, R.I.P.
Martin Roberts wrote:
> Thank you to Brent for "Under The Boardwalk - an interview with
> Kenny Young". Excellent story and many, many excellent songs
Well thank you, sir! Your ever-growing Nitzsche extravaganza is
beyond words. Again, Misters Patrick & Chapman deserve praise for
their work on the Kenny Young feature.
Somber news, though about James & Spencer. I really enjoy "Love
Machine" & "I'm Suspectin'" by The Roosters as well as "The Other
Me" by The Surprise Package.All of those written by J.A. Griffin &
M.Z. Gordon. Very upbeat, well crafted pop music. And Spencer
played surely one of the more unusual drum patterns ever to grace
the Top 10-and those two worlds usually don't collide..."White
Rabbit".
Rest in peace, gents...
Brent Cash
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:55:16 -0000
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Saxony Records
Mick Patrick:
> As I said previously, Paul Trefzger's Saxony label is still
> active. They released a Teardrops CD in 2001, containing both
> versions of "Here Comes Loneliness".
Simon White:
> So, mystery solved then. I wonder what else was released by Saxony
> in the 90's?
I have two Saxony 45s which I am fairly certain both date from the
21st century, although recorded in the 1960s, and which I obtained
directly from Paul Trefzger:
3001 Gerri Diamond: I'm breaking the law / Tender touch
3006 Gerri Diamond: Break-a-way / J.T.Sears: Jamie
Both A-sides are excellent versions of DShannon-Sheeley songs, "I'm
breaking the law" being in particular a soulful ballad unknown in any
other version. There's still some great stuff being brought out, if
you know where to look.
Peter
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:58:12 -0000
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Bertell Daché
Tom Diehl:
> Tony Orlando also cut a few releases as Bert or Bertell Daché, which
> Carole King sang background vocals on. A pair of them appeared on a
> Diamond label 45.
The bootleg Marginal CD "Tony Orlando - Hits and Rarities" includes a
Goffin-King song "Love eyes" noted as "under the pseudonym of Bertell
Dache".
Peter
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:47:49 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: Claire Francis
Claire:
> Actually, the singer from the Vikings on "It's A Bad News Feeling"
> also sounds very familiar - l think he went on to be a big name.
> I would appreciate it if you could play this and The Youth records
> to the S'pop nation........
Right oh, Claire! Both 'A' sides are currently in musica.
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica
> [Re: The Youth] Well when I heard it, at first I thought it
> was Bob Marley!! (for a moment).
Possibly more akin to Jackie Edwards, especially as there's
a hint of "Keep On Running" to the section which replaces the
song's original chorus (& hook line). Ring any bells?
The Vikings record is interesting in that "Bad News Feeling"
appears to be a song from a Paul Simon session recorded only
for the BBC in 1965. Every other song from that session
eventually ended up on an album. How did you come to record
this tune, and what do you recall about the label 'Alp', a
Polydor subsidiary.
The mysterious Claire Francis, indeed:-)
PC
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:46:22 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Late Gift
Guess what I got as a late holiday gift? The Razor's Edge - "Let's
Call It A Day Girl". The original 45 on Pow! Records. Pow 101 in
fact. MINT!!! I'm so excited! I love my gyrrrrrl more now.
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:12:03 -0000
From: Don Hertel
Subject: Re: The Real Bert Daché
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Sorry, but Tony Orlando wasn't Bert Daché. Bert was a singer/writer
> signed to Aldon music the same time I was in 1960.
This is news to me. Is Bert Daché the same person as Bertell Dache?
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:32:55 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Re: "Groovin' With Mr. Bloe"
Richard Havers:
> The harmonica on 'Groovin with Mr Bloe' was one Harry Pitch.
And apparently it was Harry's harmonica on Frank Ifield's 1962 hit
"I Remember You": http://www.frankifield.com/faq.html
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:58:09 -0000
From: Michel Gignac
Subject: Re: A lot more Quebecois info
Country Paul wrote:
> I still haven't found a bio of Le Couer d'une Generation,
> although there's a sample of "Pierrot Les Cheveux" ("Pierrot
> The Hair," literally) at at the page http://tinyurl.com/6sd6k
> where you can also find many other samples of Quebecois pop
> from the 1970s.
Paul, I'll translate the Coeur D'une Génération's biography found
in The Dictionary of Popular Music in Québec 1955-1992. This
book "Dictionnaire de la musique populaire au Québec 1955-1992"
written by Robert Thérien and Isabelle D'Amours is still, I think,
the best book about québécois music in general, for the rock era. For
those who can read french, there are still copies of the book
available at Archambault, for example, at:
http://www.archambault.ca/store/product.asp?sku=
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:27:51 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: answering the answers
Phil Milstein:
> I realize the whole idea of the answer record is, in most cases, to
> ride the wave of a hit ... more often than not I find myself
> disappointed by the results.
I've generally enjoyed answer records. Of course, I define the category
very loosely, so I include things like "Leader Of The Laundromat",
which I thought was great. I produced a show on answer records for a
campus radio station around 1980 when I was taking some
telecommunications classes. And, there's that one answer that was far
bigger (and with a few remakes) that the original - "Daddy's Home"
("1000 Miles Away").
gem
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:35:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Allio
Subject: Re: Ben Raleigh: "Once A Fool," Lesley Miller
Rob Pingel wrote:
> Once a Fool - Lesley Miller ...
I've been looking for this song for years. Is it available on any
anthologies, or is there an actual Lesley Miller CD?
Jim Allio
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:22:56 +0000
From: Paul Lewis
Subject: Re: Marcie and the Cookies
Peter Lerner:
> ... I picked up a rather tasty demo of Marcie and the Cookies singing
> "I would if I could" - composed by Madara-White-Gilmore, coupled with
> Sawyer-Burton's "All or nothing", of which I have an alternative
> (original?) version by Patti Labelle and the Bluebelles. The 45 is on
> the Australian Columbia label and I assume the group hail from
> Australia. It's a nice single. Can anyone tell me anything about Marcie
> and the girls, or indeed about any original recording of "I would if I
> could"?
Hi Peter, Marcie and the Cookies are an Australian group and as a
matter of fact they are from my home town of Brisbane. All or Nothing
was there biggest hit reaching no.2 in 1968 in Brisbane. I think
there cover of All or Nothing ranks with Patti Labelle and the
Bluebelles for emotion and soul. They had other singles on Columbia
and a local label entitled Sunshine Records. I don't have the singles
handy at present but if you want more information I can dig them out.
As for the B side I am not sure who did the original probaly a Cameo-
Parkway artist.
Thanks
Paul
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:49:12 -0000
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Italian Jobs
Another British group that worked and recorded in Italy were The Silence
who, in Italy, were known as the Doc Thomas Group. They made one LP for
Intercord, Gian Stellari producing. On their return to England they
metamorphosed into Mott The Hoople when Ian Hunter joined. UK label
Angel Air issued their Italian recordings on CD in 1998.
Austin P.
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:42:18 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Tony Hatch Box Set
Mick Patrick:
> My pal Szczepanski has asked for help. She's working on a Tony
> Hatch project for Sanctuary Records. It's the 40th Anniversary
> of the release of the great man's first LP, "The Tony Hatch
> Sound". To celebrate, they are releasing six of his original
> albums as a box-set, complete with original artwork for each.
> Unfortunately, try as she might, Samski has failed to locate a
> copy of Tony's "A Latin Happening" LP, released on Pye NSPL
> 18164 in 1966. She doesn't need the Golden Hour re-issue, just
> the Pye original. Of course, Sanctuary have the mastertapes,
> but the original cover art has gone walkies. Can you help? If
> so, please reply to this message, off-list if you prefer, and
> Sam or I will get right back to you. I'm confident one of our
> members must own this album (which, btw, contains a really great
> version of "Pretty Flamingo"). Help Sam out and make a lovely
> friend for life.
Will "The Downtown Sound of Tony Hatch" be in that boxset??
Mikey
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:00:26 -0800
From: Scott Swanson
Subject: Re: Claire Francis and The Vikings
Ms. Claire writes:
> Actually, the singer from the Vikings on "It's A Bad News Feeling"
> also sounds very familiar - l think he went on to be a big name.
A quick web search indicates that the Vikings' lead singer was Alan
Gorrie, who later gained fame as a member of the Average White Band.
Also, I think that another member of The Vikings -- Mike Fraser --
is the same Mike Fraser who later went on to become one of the top
engineers/mixers in the rock biz.
Hope this helps,
Scott
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